“In my own Words” is a section I think is worthy here-Victims and family of victims Have your say!


Update by me 13 April 2012

Hi all, It is great to see all the conversations and sharing of thoughts here. I have posted the very first Impact Statement that has been sent to me and been authorised by the author. Here is the link http://aussiecriminals.wordpress.com/victim-impact-statements/ Remember if you would like to make a statement on that page here is the link to do so! or here http://aussiecriminals.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/in-my-own-words-victim-impact-statements/

Update by me 15 March 2012 

Seems to of opened a can of worms. I expected some debate but I want to get it right up front, rather than make 7 changes over 1 week for various reasons. First and foremost for me is victims of crime.

Whilst I can understand other views and feel they are entitled to them in relation to their own loved ones been punished for years and or life in jail….

The bottom line is most guilty people will lie to the death, to their loved ones and anyone else who wants to hear them over their crimes and or involvement and culpability…

“In my own Words” is a section I think is worthy here-Victims and family of victims Have your say!

Did you get cut off from your say in Court?

Do you folks agree with me. I often receive letters/emails from victims and or the survivors left behind after awful crimes, long after the media has dropped off and moved to the next story. I am very aware that a lot of folks do not feel they get a real say. Now I cannot promise or even to offer that they will here, but I can say is a lot of readers come here every day and feel the same way as I do, and feel for victims of crime.

I propose to allow privately verified victims and family members to have a unique opportunity to have their say and let others know what the courts or media denied them. I think they have a right to be heard and I am having an educated guess that all the readers here and subscribers and other twitter folks etc. would be more than willing to receive, accept and share those so important feelings that often get ruthlessly cut off by media and or courts as if irrelevant or not important.

Well if the victims feelings on a crime is not important than who is. The welfare of the crim inside jail? Whether his or her telly is big enough?

I am not interested in those scum bags but am in voicing the victims and their families.

If I read my audience here correctly I am pretty sure the majority will agree with my view and we can facilitate a way to make this happen for folks. We have a good readership of people who care so please come forward and email me with your stories.

I will always treat you with the respect and PRIVACY YOU DESERVE, but if you wish to announce things to the world things the courts or media did not or wouldn’t cover, here is your chance.

At least here you know thousands of people will be reading your important statement each week. And not be written off as “Irrelevant” by some crusty old JUDGE

You will have the option if you want to allow comments to your statement or Not!

I DON’T LIKE TO USE A COURT TERM, BUT THE CLOSEST THING I CAN THINK OF IS HAVING THE VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT YOU NEVER GOT TO SHARE IN COURT HERE FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS’ TO READ

With utmost respect

Robbo

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139 thoughts on ““In my own Words” is a section I think is worthy here-Victims and family of victims Have your say!

  1. One think I meant to add yet might edit, is whether or not to let these victims have their say and that’s it. Or whether we allow comments.

    Because the last thing I want to see here is the whining and whinging from convicted criminals families talking rubbish in support of the convicted...

    Something to ponder, but I envisage screening every single comment into this section before I allow its publication.

    WE are not here for the perpetrators (and sadly nor their often innocent families unfortunately)

    Regards

    Robbo

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    • I have only just discovered your website and after reading comments posted here, you say you dont want people ‘talking rubbish in support of the convicted’…i would like to know if those who post here would consider the wrongly convicted as victims of crime?

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      • Welcome to our playground, Ziggy. This is where everyone can air their grievances from past experiences, discuss current crimes and have an open debate about most things. There are a few here that are more vocal than the rest ( self included ), but the contributors posting on this site are quite mature with regards to their approach to specific and sensitive topics so please feel free to give us your views and thoughts, we always need a fresh way of viewing things. As for your question, ” i would like to know if those who post here would consider the wrongly convicted as victims of crime? “, I’m pretty positive that everyone will be with me on this, I believe the wrongly convicted are probably the ‘ forgotten ‘ victims of crime. Everyone sees the affected people and families, the heartache stories on the current affairs programs etc, but noone really spares a thought for those that are wrongly convicted. I think this is because of 2 reasons. 1. The wrongly convicted is usually some poor bugger that was somehow pinned with the guilty tag whether by a false confession, poor witness accounts and evidence, or they’ve been blamed to put an end to a situation to ease public perception as ‘ someone is trying to get re-elected ‘, and once they’ve been found innocent, most of these unfortunate individuals just want to get back to living their lives without much fanfare at all. 2. With regards to being found not guilty and their subsequent release, some of the wrongly accused are given ‘ hush money ‘ and / or made to sign a contract or something similar stating that they won’t drag their case through the media etc, or something to that effect. They’re only my opinions from what I’ve heard, read and been witness to, and I don’t know how correct they are, but I’d like to think that that there are only very few wrongly convicted individuals in jail, but if you ask them, they’re all innocent.

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        • spot on robbo as far as i’m concerned any low life who sets someone up with false evidence should get double the penalty the wrongly convicted got.. any cop; who does it and it does happen should lose all there assets to the victim whose life they destroyed.its +————————————a pretty dispicable thing to do.yes the wrongly convicted are victims.

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        • spot on robbo as far as i’m concerned any low life who sets someone up with false evidence should get double the penalty the wrongly convicted got.. any cop; who does it and it does happen should lose all there assets to the victim whose life they destroyed.its a pretty dispicable thing to do.yes the wrongly convicted are victims.

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      • Ziggy – victims come from all sorts of scenarios – if you BELIEVE you ACHIEVE – pursue what YOU know to be true and don’t give up …

        I am on Facebook – private message me if you think I can help …

        Robbo has my email address if you can’t find me on there – I don’t want to publish it here …

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      • i only asked as my partner was wrongly convicted in march 2010, and sentenced in january 2011, he served 13 months before he was acquitted. his name was surpressed due to the charges being sex offences, as was the hearing where he was acquitted – only we were listed for hearing in that building for the whole day! we were not offered any ‘hush money’ to go away, they covered legal fees but only after our QC reminded them to do so. i would love to tell our story in the media and have the dogs that did this to us dragged through the mud, the only reason the girls charged him was for a victims of crime payment. our daughter was born while he was in jail, we found out i was pregnant 2 weeks after he went in, i visited him every week and all the nasty comments we both put up with from the jail was horrible, he wasnt even allowed to call me while i was in labor. the summary judgement is available online, i wont post a link to it but if you can find recent court of appeal judgements on the supreme court website, it was published only recently and the hearing was on the 6th of february. its a very good read if you are interested.

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      • Hey Ziggy, what a terrible predicament you and your partner were put through by greedy, selfish and gutless pr*cks. Are you able to file a law suit against the gutless bastards that accused your partner, or are they now a protected species? They’ve cost you and your family some very valuable time and experiences together, and that is unforgivable.

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    • Ziggy if he was wrongfully convicted – then you have a leg to stand on.

      I was sexually assaulted and held hostage and due to the ‘Burden of Proof’ laws I did not get my day in court and the assholes are free. I suffered extensively and had to learn to trust people again – due to the breach of my will. How hard do you think that was? I couldn’t work, I had two young kids.

      My relationship with my husband ended as he brought these lowlife into my life. Can’t trust him.

      Police couldn’t do what they are there to do due to evidence insufficiency – can’t trust them.

      Police tried to have me declared mentally I’ll simply because I told them in frustration that I would make a case by dealing with the offenders.

      The Magistrate’s Court denied me my right to Victim of Crime based on no conviction. Can’t trust them for help.

      So I am left to battle on my own. I am trying to build up a business and get work – but I am very conscious that my new challenge is overcoming the possibility of ‘doors closing’. I think that comes from having been kicked in the teeth by all those people that couldn’t help me when I needed it most.

      I was denied help from the ‘Victim’ arena and wound up a ‘charity’ case – and to get emergency assistance from them you have to beat the buzzer because their funds are limited.

      My family blamed me for ‘letting’ my ex have these friends. I didn’t realise I was his keeper.

      I didn’t realise I was his keeper

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    • ROBBO’ jason downie gets sentenced tomorrow 9.30am justice blue not long on the bench.lets hope he throws the key away.full sentencing remarks log on to [courts administration sa sentences]

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    • robbo’ joson downie gets sentenced tomorrow 9.30am justice blue.new on the bench;lets hope yhey throw away the key.full sentenceing remarks log on to [courts administration sa--sentenceing remarks] it may take a day or two to get posted .35 pluss is my guess.

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    • downie got 35yrs he’ll be 54 when he gets out if he lives that long.it was a plea bargain for a guilty plea.ddp do it all the time to give incentives for a reduced sentence.

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  2. As a well known Victim’s Advocacy representative told me – ‘I can’t help you you aren’t dead’

    The same man calls criminals scumbags and works for the government (ie Supreme Court) for legislative reform.

    I got screwed by the criminals and screwed by the government including cops.

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  3. On May 22nd 2001 my godson Jayden Jarrin Michael March was murdered one week short of his 2nd birthday. Linda Marie Wilson was supposed to protect and care for him as his foster mother instead she took his life and a part of my heart died. She was jailed but is out already and is free to live her life Jayden will never have that chance and i miss him everyday.

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  4. In january 2001 my then housemates murdered 71 year old Joy alchin on the south coast of nsw they told me they were going to do it but regretably i took it as a joke they wanted her money. Joys neice Leonie Ravel knew her aunt kept her money at home and told her boyfriend peter taber who in turn told his friends shannon and ian styman they tied her with cable ties stuffed underpants in her mouth and put her head in a pillow case and robbed her….joy laid alive like that before dying 12 days later from dehydration and asphyxiation. Im glad i went to the police and i was a main witness for the crown throughout the whole process and i did get a 2 minute moment on tv after sentencing but what they did that night will haunt me forever! You can read this case in paul kidd’s second ‘never to be released’ book the story is titled left for dead

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    • I have that book Dony, so will re read it. I have all Mr.Kidds books, a man of many talents but a fantastic writer who has covered the worst of the worst…

      He deserves much more credit than the “Imaginative” who offer up fodder pretending to be telling the truth on TV ie Underbelly and so on. based on must mean as long it was in the same state.

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    • u’v got to be kidding why didn’t u report it onnon if u didnt want to get involved.u could have saved a life.u were very lucky u weren’t charged with conspiracy.DAVE’S got a good point.and who are u to demand a post removed bacause it hit a nerve.reading your post u have a lot to be sorry for. 12days???

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      • I couldnt have been charged with anything you idiot! Seriously this was not written for you people tomake me feel guilty about it i dont think that was the reason this page was displayed i was 19 i had no clue that they were being serious ffs ive said it before but id never do it so never thought they would either.

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  5. Thanks for you replies Xena and Donyelle. it is for the people like you that I want to broadcast your feelings, heartbreak, concerns, let-downs, the inadequate opportunity you were cheated from in court to share your pain and so on.

    Little Jayden and the victim of your despair Xena deserve a voice.

    The point of a Victim Impact Statement is to hear those affected, the pain the loss the disbelief their loved ones are no longer with them.

    The current judiciary has been to be shown way out of touch with community expectations in this regard.

    They will listen to taxpayer paid defence testimony for days weeks and months, but when the time comes for the VIS well time rums out.

    IT is pathetic, and I ask you people to write to me in the first instance and let me know how I can give you your voice and then we can make THAT HAPPEN

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  6. Hey Robbo, I think it’d be a wonderful idea for victim’s of crime to be able to have their say via this magnificent site. You’re doing a sterling job and please keep up the good work. With regards to opening the Victim’s Say comments area for replies from the general public, I think it may be best to leave it up to the original comment poster’s discretion. If they want to hear feedback and sympathy from others that have been or are in the same situation, it can only benefit both parties, but it may just be nice for them to be able to get things off their chest, a diary of sorts. Some victims aren’t necessarily strong people and may be intimidated from approaching others for help, but by being able to remain somewhat anonymous, it may be able to provide the support they need. Ultimately, the final call is yours. It might help to lay some firm ground rules regarding the aforementioned section as poster’s will be somewhat vulnerable and their feelings and thoughts should always be treated with the utmost compassion and courtesy.
    Thank you for your time, I hope I’ve helped you in making a decision.

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  7. Gidday Craig,

    I have read a few comments here..(well thousands really) and yours has been one of the clearest concise honest posts I have ever read.

    I could not of replied better myself Craig…(I have a brother with the same name but your grammar is not his style, he likes to promote the invention of swear words)

    I really hope for replies like yours mate as we can only imagine what our neighbours feel. So just in case anyone needs clarification, awful crimes can happen to anyone, at any time anywhere. It is only after the fact we all start scratching our heads about how did this happen…

    Therefore that is what this is all about, thanks Craig, for such a well executed comment, I just hope what we have had to say shows those victims of crime that have been left behind feel that they have a place to voice themselves, without worrying about affidavits, legal pressures, or being discarded as irrelevant (the one that makes my blood boil)

    You deserve your statements about how the crime against you or your loved one effected you.

    So lets open your voices, no strings or legal bullshit attached by ancient court room procedures and laws…

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    • Thanks for the kind words Robbo. ( I’ve had to cut back on my swearing as my substance loses impact when the four letter words get involved ).
      After reading some posts this morning, I think it may be beneficial to have some form of a screening process run by your good self with regards to ” Victims Say “. Example – Donyelle Turner may have some serious issues so I felt it was my duty to analyse her comments regarding her actions that inadvertently aided in the subsequent demise of an elderly lady. Psychopathy, sociopathy, delusions of grandeur, bragging / boasting, self promotion et etc, the indicators are there and I’ve highlighted just one paragraph from her comments. Dave also picked up on it and bravo to him.

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  8. I think its difficult to get a balance. Yes, the victims of crime suffer horribly (that story about the old woman robbed and left to die, is one of the worst of the worst).
    Reading the comments by ther poster about it, made me feel a bit uneasy. She knew of the crime before it took place, and seems to have some perverse pride in being on tele, and being mentioned in a book. With friends like those, Dony, what type of person are you?
    So you should be haunted – the whole thing was absolutely fucking disgusting. Words fail me.
    On the other hand, the old lock em’ away, and throw away the key mentality, doesn’t really work either. Its easy to fill a blog with extrerme right wing views that pander to a certain audience. What is more of a challenge, is to get off your high horse and look at society and people more broadly. If the site doesn’t have a bit of diversity, you will get people with all the same views, driving off the site people that might challenge your views. And I’ll tell you right now, if you get a site where you are all in agreement and kissing each other’s arse, it will get very boring, very quickly.

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    • Who the hell do you think you are! You know nothing of who i am! Robbo im disgusted by this reply please remove it

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      • Dave, I think what Robbo is trying to achieve here is avenue/forum whereby victims of crime are able to vent some of the frustrations they endure through somewhat difficult and traumatic legal processes. Very often vicitms are powerless to project the true impact a crime has on their life, whilst the perpertrators are given every opportunity to qualify their action/s. I’ve been there via a family tragedy – still am, and to be honest having first hand experience I can assure you the impact is ongoing, seriously traumatic and bloody sad . I have also had to endure families of perps posting on-line vitriol that only adds to the trauma. To enable a victim to ‘get it off their chests’ – however it forms, can only be a good thing. By critising Donyelle, when you most likely don’t know the full story, is cruel and unnecessary. There you go – I’ve had my say.

        PS – Good onya Robbo.

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        • Thanku carmel. I am in no way bragging if i could change the past iwouldbut i have gone through years of hell because of what they did! Go read the book dave and once you know the story u may not be so quuck to judgr

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      • Noone cares who you are!!! Most people are judged ( rightly or wrongly ) on their actions. You’ve clearly cited instances of sociopathy and as we’ve never met you, unfortunately it is human nature to then judge you on what you have written ( actions and experiences ).Just like as judges in court don’t get to introduce themselves to the accused, sit down, have a coffee and a piece of cake, chat for a few hours etc. They hear what the accused has done ( actions ) and pass judgement on those findings. Similar to what Dave, myself and some others have done to you. Rightly or wrongly, it is human nature, so if you don’t like it, learn to write what you have to say in it’s full context so it cannot be misconstrued or keep your mouth shut and fingers away from the keyboard. And as for you being disgusted with Dave’s comments, dear child you have a lot to learn about hypocrisy. Trust me, the crime that you knew about but didn’t prevent, cost an innocent elderly victim her life, not to mention the last ( 12 ) days of her life were filled with nothing but helplessness, pain, agony and anguish and here you are complaining that Dave’s words have hurt your feelings? What about the victim, Joy? It might be time for you to get a grip on reality, recognise the faults in your ways and try to give back to the community in some way. If you can’t manage to understand anything I’ve written, it pains me to think this, but I hope Joy’s ghost haunts you and consumes your every thought, dream and moment, waking or otherwise!

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        • What about joy? She is gone…i cannot change that but i also didnt cause it! Your poor attempts at belittling me by calling me a child do not work! Joys ghost will not haunt me because i know that the evidence i gave put those people in jail. You are right that people will say what they please and that is not what has annoyed me it is the fact that i am being attacked personally based on things that havent been said. Like i said in a previous post i mentioned the book so people could read the whole story if they so wished as im using my phone so it is difficult to sit and write the whole story!

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  9. Yeah, I like true crime books, but I’ll read your account Dony, when I’m, good and ready. You say you thought it was all a joke , but I don’t know you from adam (or eve), so why should believe your lame excuses? If what I say, hurts…well cry me a river, you poor baby. Cause its nothing what that poor woman suffered.

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    • Dave i will not lower myself by responding to you any further. I dont need your opinion on me and i am pretty sure robbo didnt develop this so insensitive people like you can have a go at people!

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  10. I don’t set out to be an internet ‘troll’ (someone who is deliberately hurtful), but if I was your position, I wouldn’t like to put my name to that horrific killing, even if, as you say, you were only involved at the fringes. Are you seeking redemption by posting here? Do YOU see yourself as a victim of crime? If you do, some people may find that a bit rich, considering how horrible it was.
    If they were even ‘joking’ about robbing that woman, what was the purpose? Were you hungry? Junkies? Tell the the whole story, and you might get some understanding.

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    • Dave, I think you’re right. ” Someone ” is trying to justify their involvement by stating, and I quote ” Im glad i went to the police and i was a main witness for the crown throughout the whole process and i did get a 2 minute moment on tv after sentencing but what they did that night will haunt me forever! You can read this case in paul kidd’s second ‘never to be released’ book the story is titled left for dead. ” Seems like someone admits involvement, attempted to do the right thing after the fact, felt they should share that they were made to feel important important to the case by stating a tv appearance and duration ( like it matters – 2 mins ), then claims to be affected forever with haunting memories of the hideous act, and then has to emphasise the fact that this specific case is written about in a noted crime author’s book, names the book, and then names the chapter as if we had any doubts in their credibility. If these aren’t the signs of a delusional self righteous sociopath, I don’t know what is. And I’m not sure if this ” someone ” is purposely writing in such a specific context where the point comes across but their grammar makes for a somewhat ambiguous point of view, or whether they’re generally uneducated. All the signs are there, admission, importance, guilt, grandeur, and their legacy in the pages of history. This individual must be a tiny bit disturbed to say the least, and Dave, I’m not sure if this person has purposely omitted important information from their story, but the way it was written can be an uneducated person making some fundamental errors in their account, or a sociopath coming to the fore of their personality by only stating the facts that have any relevance to their delusion, sprinkled with morals. There’s a pattern in the writing, went to the police ( morally good ), main witness for the crown ( importance ), appeared on tv ( grandeur ), haunted by the memories of the event ( morally good ), then quotes the book title and author ( importance ) and if that wasn’t enough to gain credibility and dispel any doubt, they had to name the specific chapter ( historical notification and gratification ). Pattern – good, counteracted by bad + bad, and the same again. But, in my opinion, they’ve tried to tell a story of their involvement, been called on it, had the chance to justify or add substance to their claims, failed to do so, and is now running away from the danger ( yes, you’re the danger Dave ), with their tail between their legs all the while attempting to prove to other reader’s that they’re taking the moral high – road and not replying to your intrusive and accurate accusations any more. Wow, I think I got all that in context and in some sort of order.

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  11. The only reason i mentioned the book and the chapter was because i am using my phone to write this and couldnt write the whole story! None of you know me and you dont know the whole story so you have no way of understanding the time line of what happened! I find it funny that you are placing the blame on me and not instead on the people who committed the crime. Please also do not question my intelligence, you know nothing of me or my life.

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    • Sorry Donyelle, but if you took the time to write your account as it happened and in the correct format, there wouldn’t be so many anomolies and us readers wouldn’t take things out of context. And as I’ve written above, we have never met you and can only try to understand the happenings based on your account, nothing more. Your words and your words alone have led us down this path. Maybe you omitted some crucial points or as you say, the timeline may be askew. We are blaming you as you stated that you had prior knowledge and didn’t come forth until at least 12 days after the fact. And from my understanding of your account, poor Joy was still alive for the entire or vast majority of those days. Need I go on or can you see things from some else’s perspective based on the information given?

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      • Yes i understand where your coming from but if i were to wtite the whole story i would be here all day trying to write it! I was in sydney when they killed her not at home when i arrived home they had purchased alot of new things i was suspicious as to where they got the money i asked and was told that peter(a builder) sold a shed still i didnt believe them and called my mum she told me to look around i noticed old 50 and 100 bills around that weekend leonie got a call saying her aunty was dead she didnt seem bothered tha had me suspicious my mum called me and told me the police went to her work and ask if anyone had been using old 50′s or 100′s to pay for anything mum called me and i went to the police! I did what i could if i went to the police everytime someone mentioned wanting to kill someone id be there too often people say it in jest if i for one second took their words seriously i would have gone to the police.

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  12. There you go. The basic information you just gave makes it a lot clearer now. In hindsight, it would’ve been better to start off with your latest post and then none of this mess and misunderstanding would’ve ensued.

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    • Like i said im using my phone its a little harder to type on than a keyboard. They took off to queensland when they came home from a bbq and i wasnt home(i can only assume they knew id gone to the police) and i told the police about who i thought they would be staying with they were caught up there and bought back to nsw i recieved death threats on my phone while in witnrss protection away from my family and friends during a time when i was scared “just because pete cant get you doesnt mean that i wont” “you should have kept your mouth shut,now your going to pay” detectives came and saw me every 3 days. On the first day of the trial while walking to the courthouse i was punched in the back of the head by a man on the street and knocked out for a few moments he had nothing to do with the case but was caught and charged with interfering with a witness and the judge asked of i was ok and apologised for the happenings of the day. I didnt ask for any of this and it has affected my life but im glad i was able to get some justice for joy and her family. Just to add after the committal hearing the trial and sentencing they appealed and charges were downgraded from murder to manslaughter because they are saying they didnt physically kill her they just left her there and she died! The judge said theycould have saved her because being leonies aunt surely someone would find her after one or two days and when they hadnt heard anything after those few days they should have made an annomyous call to police or come forward.

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      • Poor justice system. Regardless of how someone causes the death of another , it should be classed as murder, nothing more, nothing less. What a disgrace.

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        • Yes i agree the justice system in this country has alot to answer for,drug deals jailed for 20 years murders for 8 it makes no sense to me

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  13. I meet Judith Barnes (Google her) though the Gotcha with Gary Hughes blog many, many years ago. Judith was a really fascinating person who always had a good insight into crimes outside of her own experience. Her case terrified me as a child in an extreme way, so perhaps I am in a way, a victim of media hype.

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  14. Good on you Donyelle
    At first reading your account of that horrific murder,I must admit I thought along the same lines as other posters.
    That you had a chance to prevent this and didn’t .
    However after being called to account and to some point attacked,you stated your case a lot more clearly.
    A lot of people would have run a million miles under this kind of personal attack,but you gave the full account and it started to make sense.

    Robbo ,may I suggest just for the sake of it , that a victims section like you have decided to do is a great idea ,however what about a separate section for replies or open slather on a subject ,where people can respond to victims comments. The reason for this would be that victims then have the choice of reading what others are saying .
    Yes they have the choice now but I think it would be near impossible to not read comments on the same page as the story is written.
    Just a suggestion mate ,it is a very difficult balancing act to get the right answer on comments to victims.
    A great move to allow victims a say.
    I am not good at putting words into writing but I hope you get what I’m trying to say here.
    Keep up the good work ,this is a great site and getting to read both points of view is wonderful .
    Your new suggestion will only add to an already great site and allow the freedom of speech we are so blessed to have in this wonderful land we call home.

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    • Don’t stress Johnny, you worded your comment so clearly, even I understood it without any misconception. I think we’re all on the same page with regards to letting the victims have their say, but seriously mate, get some sleep!!! Posted @5.46am, geez….

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      • Lol,,thanks for the reply Robbo ,mate I wish I could sleep,after being a victim myself I have had an injury what just won’t allow me to sleep.
        I get my 3 or 4 hours a night but then as soon as 4 am hits the clock my eyes open and that’s it.
        I am glad you have this section for victims as one day I will post how I received my injury ,done by a very high profile thug ,that is o longer with us.
        Just being a hero and aimed a gun at someone in a bar,shot it,missed him,and because I talked to the bloke a minute earlier,only ask him where the toilet was,he decided to to shoot the blokes mate in the back,,me,, for no reason other than he thought I was his mate.
        Anyway that’s for another day as he is o longer here and I can’t say any ore than that.yet.
        But the prick is with me everyday as I battle long lonely days…
        Cheers Robbo .

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    • Thanks Billy…I did take your advice and the doc gave me the ok to take Endep and they worked.
      Can’t say thanks enough,I didn’t want to get hooked on any stuff,but these are great for me.
      I am finally able to go back to sleep and I awake without any type of tiredness.
      Cheers billy,your a star.Sorry for this comment,but only way I can thank bill. Maybe will also help others.

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      • johnny’;glad to have been a help 25ml is as strong as u need.i take 50ml but i got permanent pain in my feet nerve damage.good for depression too so they should sort out both of ur problems . move on with it now don’t let the bastards have a victory on u forget the past look to the future power of the mind.best of luck mate

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  15. No apologies necessary Johnny. As for your injury, mate I really sympathise with you. I hate nothing more than innocent parties being affected by mindless crime. I agree with your views whole-heartedly with regards to victims having their say. We never know, this just may be the oulet they needed to aid their healing process and activate a coping mechanism. All the best Johnny.

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  16. Seems to of opened a can of worms. I expected some debate but I want to get it right up front, rather than make 7 changes over 1 week for various reasons. First and foremost for me is victims of crime.

    Whilst I can understand other views and feel they are entitled to them in relation to their own loved ones been punished for years and or life in jail….

    The bottom line is most guilty people will lie to the death, to their loved ones and anyone else who wants to hear them over their crimes and or involvement and culpability…

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  17. Areyou serious? What a heap of shit! There are many preists as well as other proffessional who commit crimes against children and how do you know your brother isnt guilty?you may not want to believe he is but do you think his going to tell you the truth?wake up this is the real world god is a figment of your imagination nothing more nothing less

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  18. u pathetic peice of shit.ur brothers a CHILD MOLESTERER.fuck the cotholic scumbag church biggest landowners in the world got it all for nothing of cours.they all should rot in hell.the cops r very carefull before they lay these sort of charges.ur u blind or r u one of them too.

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    • u sound like one sick twisted complete IDIOT.he chopped up the cat that’s the first sign of a sycopath.r u that stupidly blind.or just to ignorant to see it as it is.where was ur god whan he was sick or did he get his karma for killing and torturing a defenceless childs pet.get real

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  19. Well well well, isn’t his a handy little comment? Here we go Helen, hold on to your seat as this may get pretty wild. Where the f#ck do you get off calling insinuating that victims of crime shouldn’t have their say as they use our legal system to see innocent men convicted? You must be one of those brainwashed ‘sheeple’ if you say, and I quote ” There isn’t any sin mortals can commit so horrific that God can’t forgive if we truly repent. ” What does that mean exactly? Let’s break it down, shall we? God… nothing but a theory, not proven, the bible ( no capital letter necessary ) is just a story book that says nothing about dinosaurs etc ( yes, they are proven ). Where did noah put the whales and the rest of the marine life? As we know, there are fish and mammals that can only survive in fresh OR salt water, not both… Sort of puts your story book to shame, doesn’t it? And ” no crimes ” that anyone can commit that your jesus bloke won’t forgive us for? Really? What a sensation. That makes every criminal shudder with excitement, if they in fact believe in god, but they wouldn’t otherwise they wouldn’t commit a crime… Am I right? Your religious garbage is nothing but a pipe-dream with an abundance of oxymorons and it can be shot full of holes at the drop of a hat, as the above passage shows. Now, clearly you believe your faith has kept your free from crime, but the rest of us realists would call that ‘ luck ‘. Are you able to drag yourself away from your ignorant lifestyle and think about what it would be like to be the victim of a crime? Do you really think that a victim wants to see an innocent party be convicted for something they didn’t do? Are you that naive? How would sending an innocent person to jail or worse, actually help anything, especially if the victim knows that the perpetrator is still out there and could possibly commit the same crime on someone else, or even revisit the initial victim? You must seriously be deluded if you think victims have a train of thought anywhere close to what I just mentioned. Do you really think your brother would tell you if he was a kiddie fiddler? I seriously think not, especially if it goes against his church etc. Of course he’s going to claim he’s the victim of false accusations, who wouldn’t? I admit, there are some ( very few in comparison to true victims ) that will make false accusations in order for personal gain or profit, but your comment / passage is seriously close to calling ALL victims, ‘ false accusers ‘, and for that, your argument / point of view holds absolutely no credence whatsoever, in any way, shape or form! Helen, do yourself a favour, and I implore everyone else whom is reading this comment, to make an extra special effort to watch a documentary called Zeitgeist, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guXirzknYYE ) Just highlight and copy the link in the brackets and paste into your web browser or search bar. If you have any ideas or beliefs on religion, this will surely put them in order. Helen, try not to use words like ‘ sacrilege ‘ as it points to the fact that you’ve been brainwashed into thinking that there is a god etc, and it makes you sound stupid. And really, speaking purely hypothetically here, if someone you knew had died in a car crash, would they want you walking around with an emblem or trinket depicting a car crash? I think not. So why do you religious sheeple insist on displaying crosses? Have a think about it…

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    • Wow – I like what Craig says … I notice in one breath Helen states the guilty will lie to death then she proceeds to defend her brother … Things that make you go hmmm …

      I won’t get into religion here – but just by the way – to me a cross symbolises one man’s fight to death (or murder) for his faith. If he died for all our sins then why is there still sin ???

      Victims of another’s incapacity to control themselves MUST be heard. We must communicate the effect of one’s own incapacity to control one’s self and the ha that can result.

      We all owe each other a Duty Of Care to conduct ourselves in a manner NOT harmful to others ..,

      I would love to be put in a room with my aggressors to show them the effect of their actions on me and my dependents.

      Something in this world needs to change post haste … For the sake of future generations …

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  20. So who cares if you’re a carmelite nun? I certainly don’t and I’m pretty sure noone else on this site could give two hoots either. Does that make you better than me? I certainly think not, and if you’ve read it, your book states that all men ( mankind ) are created equal. If you go out and do the charity work, feed the hungry, supply aid to those in need etc, then great for you. I wish I had the time to do that but I can’t, I have to go to work to earn money to pay bills in order to survive. I can’t get by on handouts and charity by claiming to be closer to god because I’m religious, I have responsibilities. Does your god bless bludgers? You’d wanna hope so. Where in your book does your god support or encourage war, killing and general mayhem? I don’t think it does. So how do you explain the crusades? How can you be sure your god is the only one? Krishna, born 900 bc, also born on Dec 25th, he performed miracles and upon his death, was resurrected. Mithra, born 1200 bc, born Dec 25th, performed miracles, was resurrected after death. Dionysus, born of a virgin on Dec 25th 500 bc, performed miracles such as turning water into wine, was referred to as King of Kings etc etc. Too many anomalies and similarities throughout most religions for anyone to claim the immaculate conception, Dec 25th, miracles etc. A little bit of research goes a long way. Good luck Helen.

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  21. Hellen ,can you not see that by saying victims should not have a say that your self and brother WOULD NOT be able to voice your concerns as a victim?
    Quote ” I don’t agree victims should have their say for they use our legal system to see innocent men convicted. There are many accounts of false accusations against priests which are made to strip the dignity of the Catholic Church”

    I think all victims should be able to give a side,their side,of the story.
    We have a system in place ,good or bad,it’s all we have.
    It isn’t as easy as accusing someone and the person is locked up. It doesn’t work that way.you will always find holes in any system ,that is why it is a ever changing process ,we learn from mistakes and close loop holes ,this has been going on since laws and courts were introduced.
    It will continue to go on.
    It appears your using this site and others from what I’m reading to express your thoughts as a victim of sorts,along with your brother. Yet in the same breath your saying victims shouldn’t be able to voice their side of the misfortune that befell them,you can’t have it both ways.
    The law is what it is,not perfect by no means,but a hell of a lot better than nothing or a communist type set up ,and I think this is what separates us from such places as these.
    I hope you find some peace in your own mind as from the outside it appears your only getting fed parts of a story you want to hear ,and letting love of someone cloud your judgment.
    Victims need a say. It’s not just you that can have a say.
    Wish you some peace of mind as I feel one day it will all make sense to you and you’ll realise you may have been led on a merry dance by ones you thought wouldn’t lie to you.

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  22. Its a shame this section has been hijacked by trolling. As a victim of crime I felt very sad for Donyvilles treatment. I certainly dont feel confident enough to share my story here after reading all that. I will say tho that yes you are a victim of crime and it will haunt you for ever but just keep the chrade up that everybody else sees and continue on with life. Every now and then you will have a few mins or hours of not thinking about it. Cheers!

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    • Hi M, these are the comments on the original Idea I presented, not the actual platform itself

      Rest assured the idea IS and has always been for a statement by those that feel like making one, and that victim has the choice to allow comments or not. (That choice will always be theirs only, not mine or anyone else’s….)

      Families of those convicted or other parties can go start their own site. I have no time for them.

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    • M, you shouldn’t feel inhibited about sharing your story if it will help you cope. What happened to Donyelle isn’t a true indicator of the way this site / section should work. I know I’m partly to blame for the way you feel as my treatment of Donyelle was riddled with anger and disgust, but only until the ‘whole’ story came out. Unfortunately, Donyelle was using a mobile phone and was having trouble conveying her story / message in the context that she wanted due to that fact, but we’ve reached and understanding now that the entire story has emerged after some coaxing. Please let me apologise whole-heartedly if my previous comments or treatment of Donyelle’s situation have deterred you from airing your grievances and sharing your story.

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  23. I was a victim of a viloent home invasion by my ex who knocked me unconcious and then shook my five moonth old son unconcious….he got 22 months.I got life…….. I still see my 5 month old son blue,limp and dropped on the floor like a peice of rubbish and feel the panic kick in with just this image. The evidence was compiled and bastard was caught some 200kms away from my then home. Roughly 10 days after the crime.

    Seven years on…. it still impacts my every moment, my every thought. The fact this prick was my sons biological father, will always taunt me and scare the living hell out of me.

    I thought by now i would stop triple chicking the locks, and have somewhat of a normal life.

    Why does he get the right to walk around with my sons name tattoo’d on his forarm, id like to take a griinder to it.

    My son has behavioural issues in which we are now working with the Womens and Childrens Hospital in Adelaide to determine weather this can be directly linked as a result of the injuries he sustained on the 21st of january 2005- the day before my second daughters birthday…she seen it all. he left her in the high chair

    Ricky Ashwell i hope that one day i finally get to see you rot in hell. your a scumbag that deserves to be CASTERATED, SO HE CANT EVER DO THIS AGAIN.

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    • Sara be careful what u put in writing or even what u say – my rapists/hostage takers got away with it due to inadequate laws – for what they did to me and for the fact they drugged my kids I told a cop I would love to kill them.

      I was held under Section Ten immediately and had to undergo psyche testing before they would let me go.

      This happened at a police station to which I was called to be given an adverse outcome to my reports to police.

      There was no counsellor present – there was no facilitation by process for the communication o. An adverse decision which affected my life.

      The cops and crooks are in bed together but we knew that. Or is it the Court officials and crooks. Hell – it sounds like one big friggin orgy.

      The world is screwed. As for ??? comment – I wonder what checks the immigration Department has.

      We all know fanaticists would stop at nothing including killing a brother to steal his identity.

      Australia is not only the bandaid country but a naive country. Maybe one day we will get noble but I doubt it will be in our lifetime.

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  24. good on you dropping his name everybody should know what a lowlife he is.put it behind you dont let the DOG have a victory .22mths they should have appealed but thats back in PAUL ROLFES days [director of prosucutions] they got rid of him after the nemer case corrupt as hell.got away with it weak corrupt goverment. best of luck SARAH

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  25. I have recently met someone that was asked to arrange some weapons for a middle eastern outfit near the recent massacre in Coolaroo.

    All we need is a bunch of disrespecting fanaticists running around with weapons and ammo in the country they are using to make money for their Jihad.

    They are here for what they can get.

    Have reported it to police. Am no longer in contact with this person but he got offered the chance to have me dealt with.

    As it was he was rambling high level ‘Underworld’ figures and one of the coldest things he said to me was ‘Do you realise what I could have done to you today if I wanted???’.

    I wonder how long it will take cops to answer – I did tell them hopefully they would be investigating my complaint rather than my murder.

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  26. Wow, this site gets even more fantastical by the day…loved the ‘he paid a high price for chopping up my daughter’s dog’….WTF???
    The subjects are just all over the place, and one topic doesn’t follow the another. Ametuer journalism? That is giving ametuer journalism a bad name. These are just random ramblings, none of which seem to make much sense.

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    • Dave with all due respect – what makes less sense to me is why their are so many victims that don’t get their fair justice for what they have endured at the hands of another.

      I don’t believe any of us have claimed to be a journalist – good or bad – but atleast here we are given a space to vent our frustration at an inadequate system that allows criminals to roam free because of loopholes in the system as well as a myriad of other reasons.

      Kudos to Robbo for realising that a platform is required – crime dorsn’take sense so why the hell should its’ victims.

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      • Crime neither takes sense nor makes sense – LOL – my apologies for the spelling errors – but then I am a victim – I make no sense

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  27. Defining what a victim is, can be a problem in itself, without wanting to sound insensitive. If, for an example, a person has good reason to know that a crime is about to take place by so called ‘friends’, then they they cry victim because they got too close to the action….well, you know…keep away from scumbags, and you are less likely to be a ‘victim of crime’. But that is just one scenerio of course, I’m not speaking for everybody.

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    • I hope that wasnt aimed at me!you know nothing so id suggest you keep your opinion to yourself

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    • I hear what you are saying. Victim as a single word is very broad – a victim of crime is anyone that becomes subject to an act within the definition of the word crime, by another.

      That is the easy bit – now get a court to translate the events experienced by someone into a criminal charge.

      We all know that the way we see it on the street is different to the way it is seen by the ivory tower

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  28. I think there is a certain coldness in the law in how it operates in the ‘ivory tower’ which is perhaps necessary to get at the facts. Courts are there to reach decisions – they are not a place for social work. Perhaps there is a problem in balance, but I can’t think of alternatives. I think a big misconception is that courts deliver ‘justice’…that is impossible…..how can anyone retract a rape, a murder? Except go back to the old eye for an eye concept? So, if a judge thinks a perpetrator has a chance of redemption, he will not ‘throw away the key’…..much to the disgust of a victim, or a victim’s family. Serious crimes cannot be undone. Justice doesn’t exist in the literal term. Its a comprimise between what happenned, and who is left standing.

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    • I hear what you’re saying Dave, but you have to agree, the legal system these days is far too lenient. How come 10 years doesn’t mean 10 years? Apparently it’s 6 years with good behaviour… Well, the criminal couldn’t behave themselves in normal society when it was their rite, but after they get caught committing a crime and start ‘doing time’, they learn how to behave in order to get an early release. That is not right! There’s no early release for their victim. Judges should learn to stick to their guns ( no pun intended ), and start handing out jail terms as the ‘minimum’. 10 years is just that, 10 years. I can’t be reduced, only increased. Criminals must work for their food, not just sit back and get what they’re ‘entitled’ to by law. Fuck that. No air con, no Foxtel, bread and water and a mattress on the concrete, that’s all. Jail is supposed to be punishment, not a holiday camp. They live better ( more luxuries ) than some of our hard working and honest members of society, and that’s not right. I’m sick of these do-gooder chumps talking about rehabilitation etc. No. They had the same chance to be a contributing member of society, just like everyone else, but chose to forego that opportunity for one reason or another. Why should they get another chance? Murder victims don’t get another chance. Rape victims have to go through the remainder of their lives with a death sentence ( some contract a disease, some get pregnant, some can no longer be intimate with their partner and some become suicidal or suffer depression as a result ), so why should the criminal get another chance at normality and being a functioning member of our society?

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  29. I hear ya, Craig, but I think on one level, parole acts as a vacancy creator….there just aren’t enough jails, and they get overcrowded. And on another level, jails are like universities for crims. The longer they are in there, the more qualified they get! So there is a real problem in rehabilitating someone, because you only gonna get life for first degree murder. Which leads to your other point about jails being too luxurious. I’m not sure on that point too much. It could be a bit of a media beat up. But if you are going to make jail a really isolating and punishing place, with no ‘luxuries’, how is that person going to react when they rejoin society?
    Most people who commit crime (say armed hold up, for example), are likely to re-offend. The police, the justice system, are dealing with a group within a society, that no-one wants anything to do with, no idea how to punish or rehabilitate. And it will probably get worse, if poverty becomes more widespread within certain areas.

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  30. I can appreciate where you’re coming from Dave, but with regards to parole being a ‘vacancy creator’, spartan living for the convicted would save a lot of money and I believe it would work itself out in the long run as offenders would know that the sentence they receive is the absolute minimum, hence they may take a moment to think about their future actions, thus hopefully resulting in no offence being committed. I know it’s probably a pipe-dream, but so is rehabilitation. How many parolee’s re-offend whilst on parole? Plenty. What’s the punishment? Fuck all. A smack on the wrist maybe and a stern talking to, that’s it. How does that instil fear into criminals? It doesn’t. Prison should be a place to be feared. It should be harsh with the absolute bare minimum of essentials to ensure that criminals hopefully understand just how good it is to be a member of society and the community as a whole. Maybe then prison would act as a deterrent and possibly save lives etc, which is the ultimate goal. With regards to my point on jails being too luxurious, my father has only just recently retired from the Corrective Services so I probably have a bit more insight than the average person, and yes, they do get it pretty easy on the inside. They get their meals cooked, laundry done, bills paid for, air conditioning, foxtel, need I go on? In essence, jail should be a place for potential offenders and re-offenders to fear, as they have to work for everything they receive whilst incarcerated, plus pay back a debt to the community and / or reparations to the victim and their family. And these dipshit criminals crying that they’re going on a hunger strike or going to eat razor blades as a form of protest… Really? I’ll personally buy the razor blades and sit there and watch to make sure the fucker’s eat every singly one. What rite do they have to voice their grievances and air their concerns? NONE AT ALL. Let’s face facts, they are criminals, they broke the law, they can’t function in society and their crime is proof of that. So why should we forward them any leniency for good behaviour? The victims and their families don’t get any leniency, they just have to suffer. Why should we hear the criminals voices over those of the victims? Why aren’t these offenders / criminals being forced to earn their keep whilst incarcerated? Clearly, most of them weren’t working when they committed their theft, so maybe if they were forced to earn everything they were to receive, maybe that would flick a switch or help them to understand what it takes to be a member of society. Then they’d also be too tired from working to be any form of a burden to the Correctional Officers or their fellow inmates, making a safer environment for them to serve their sentences. But oh no, the do-gooder’s, bureaucrats and those that are on the re-election campaign must hear the voices of those that are behind bars and lend a sympathetic ear to their plight, instead of asking ” So, why are you in jail? ” , or ” What crime did you commit? “, or ” So, did you think about the liberties of your victim when you were committing the crime, or has it just now become apparent that yours have been taken away? ” They say we should feel sorry for them etc and try to make their time in jail more bearable. WTF? Let’s make jail an absolute prick of a place to be, then they won’t want to go back. They can shove this humanitarian garbage straight down their own throats. Their tune will change when they or someone they know becomes the victim of crime and then they see the offender get a very light sentence imposed in stark contrast to the sentence forced upon them and their loved ones.

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    • Making a lot of sense to me, thinking of jails in places like Thailand,Bali ,amongst others.
      Why is it that more people take a chance at drug smuggling etc,into Australia than vice versa ,I’d suspect that the incoming smugglers to Australia wouldn’t try the same thing into these other places,for one simple reason.
      The jails in those places are the deterrent,the jail system and penaltys in Australia are in most cases better than what they have in normal life at home.
      I’m thinking if I was a drug smuggler and was asked to smuggle into either aus,or one of the hell holes,I now which I would be picking.
      I’m aware the choice wouldn’t happen,to take a pick at which country to smuggle into,but I’m trying to make a point of the reasons why a logical thinking person would not want to do time in these other places.
      How rare is it to hear someone has been caught smuggling into these places,it happens,rarely, but nowhere near the amount caught trying to do the same into Australia.
      What is the deterrent when your given better conditions than what you live in everyday at home.
      Make a million or spend 10 years in better conditions than home.
      Or make a million but if caught face death by hanging or firing squad,in conditions that are mostly unbearable.
      Just drawing a contrast of the two jail systems here and why you have people take a chance in Australia,but will not take that same chance in Thai,or Bali.
      Prob don’t make sense what I’m tring to say here but best I can get as to why our system needs to be a deterrent for scum of earth instead of a place to recharge the batteries for the next assault on helpless people,,maybe just maybe it will make scum thinks it harder before committing the evil they do,and if they don’t then know that you are off to hell and not a resort ,not for 10 years,but for 2 years before they roll out the noose. Only in our dreams I feel??

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      • I’m with you %100 Johnny. There is no deterrent as yet, which unfortunately puts us in the position you described above. We are seen as a ‘soft’ target for overseas criminals, not to mention those from this great country. Yet, I fear the term ‘great’ as being misrepresented with regards to the fluffy treatment of those incarcerated in our current prison system. It is no longer a place to be feared, more of just a stepping stone, which is nowhere near where it should be in terms of punishment.

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  31. My honest opinion, is that once someone gets into the jail system, luxury version or spartan, its probably too late to rehabilitate that person. Shit, a person who is unemployed for awhile has difficulty getting back in the flow of things, how would an ex-con go? And there are all sorts of opinions on this, but long jail sentences, even death sentences, suggest that is not a deterrant. Why? Because people don’t commit a crime to get caught. They are either career criminals, junkies, or commit a crime of passion or revenge, such in the case of murder or rape. Fear needs to be installed more at the coal face ie: the police force. I’m not ancient, but I remember a time when cops were fearsome big blokes, who made you shit scared. Now, their heirarchy says that taking some level of assault off the public is to be expected. WTF! They used to dish it out, and now they have become a joke. Nothing any good can come out of jails, unless you are locking away the Ivan Milats of the world, who you know won’t come out. But the what is the difference btween a guy serving 6 or 10 years? Six years is still a fucking long time (it would be for me, anyway), so either way, you end up with damaged goods, and a menace to society unless they are locked away for good. And they are just not gonna do that for every rape, assault, or manslaughter.

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    • Fair enough Dave, and I agree with you on most points. But, regarding your comment / thought on an unemployed person rejoining the workforce being akin to a criminal rejoining society, this just puts pay to my comment re ‘ spartan living for inmates ‘. Hence they ‘ must work ‘ for anything other than bread and water. This will hopefully give them a sense of self-worth and possibly promote a more responsible attitude when it comes to thing like personal appearance, personal hygiene, and a more respectful attitude to the term ‘ working for a living ‘. They may also possibly gain a reference from their employer ( the jail ), which would hopefully give prospective employers a genuine insight into who the person is, plus a working history for the most recent amount of time spent behind bars. I know this sounds like nothing more than a pipe-dream, but it’s a far more pro-active approach than giving them their ‘ entitlements ‘ and ‘ rites ‘. Inmates should give up all civilian rites once convicted, and be forced to abide by the terms of a work contract, or survive on bread and water, whilst watching the other inmates work and be able to afford certain luxuries for themselves as reward for working hard. And once again, the sentence handed down from the judge should be a MINIMUM, 10 years means 10 years, not 6 years with goo behaviour. The sentence may not be reduced for any circumstance, but may only increase with regards to breaching the aforementioned work contract.

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  32. Nothing is really feared anymore, including the police, who are front-line. Though I think they might be having a gutful, going by the recent incidents regarding tasers, and a guy getting shot. By the time you get to prison, your life is pretty much destroyed anyway, luxury or not. Some people can come back from the experience, but its not an easy thing to have on your resume.

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  33. Some interesting ideas there Craig, but I can’t see a return to ‘bread and water’. And your ideas are not really new, either. If you make prison conditions harsher, it also runs the risk of creating a harder criminal. I wouldn’t want to be in a jail, even if they had 24 hour whores available. Just the idea of incarceration does it for me. And I think the average ‘do right’ citizen misunderstands the basic pyschology of a prisoner. They are doing time cause the got caught. Harsher treatment in jail, does not necesarily act as a deterant to someone committing crime, or make a better citizen once they are released. The opposite could happen, in fact.

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  34. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Dave, and I respect that. I never said my ideas were new. As for harsher treatments in jail not acting as a deterrent, I beg to differ. Growing up, getting a smack for doing something wrong nearly always stopped me from doing the same thing or something similar, as I knew how harsh the punishment would be. It’s about time for some tough love, treat these inmates as the pieces of shit they are.

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  35. craig not everybody in jail are peices of shit i got 3mths for vagrancy years ago by an ass-hole cop.an a weak magistrate.put in jail because i was having a bad trot.put in a boys home for consorting to consort with more.the system is run by fucken DOGS i was only 15. i got 6weeks for pca 2 beers over the limit on the way home from work at the same time a thug gets a suspended sentence for robbing a pensioner.u wonder why people hate cops.a friend of mine got pulled last month took some moisturiser out of her glovebox 12mths old she’d forgotten about it loaded some meth in it cause she mifouthed off to the arrogant pig.they the low life scum who should be jailed.

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  36. Bill, I’m not saying that everyone in jail is a piece of shit, but correct me if I’m wrong, the vast majority of them are. Murderers, rapists, kiddie fiddlers, those that commit crimes against the elderly, they are the pieces of shit ( which is why I think you mistook my comment as I was referring to the majority ). I know there are some genuine ‘ down on their luck ‘ individuals inside the prisons, and they should be dealt with in an entirely different manner. I’m not a fan of the current system where they incarcerate thieves with murderers, and drink drivers with rapists etc. It should be ‘ like for like ‘. Hard assed crims with other hard assed crims, and unfortunate inmates with other unfortunate inmates, ie short – stay inmates. It’s the heartless, mindless, remorseless dipshits and repeat offenders that need to be dealt with in the harshest way possible with regards to the nature and frequency of their crime and the sentence to be served.

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    • sorry about that last post i wrote i didn’t see this one it just makes me angry when people bunch them all together.H devision turned a lot of them in to animals the system has a lot to answer for i never was there but met a few who have.it utterly destroyed them.i did time back in the 60′s@70′s for vagrancy cos i was down on my luck consorting cos the cop didn’t like me so he loaded me .it happened back then till this day i still despise the cunts for trying to stuff my life up.there are innocent people inside from corrupt cops.so how can u balance it.i agree in executing PROVEN no doubt child molesters.and like crimes.think about it

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    • Same same bill…what I’m referring to,was the likes of the scum that killed that poor family in SA,that Downey shit bag and those types.
      Not people that have just done wrongs in life or an act of stupidity,harming no one but themselves mate.
      Sorry,should have said the ones that are hard core,cold calculating murderers,rapists,rock spiders,etc.
      How many times do you here the comment ,so and so got 10 years in a resort and we get life sentence from the victims. I agree the crime is made thinking they won’t be caught and tough jail conditions don’t enter the mind while committing those crimes ,it’s only after committing them that that think about jail ,how utter frustrating it must feel to the families who,s loved ones have been taken by scum,to see the likes of Julian knight ,complaining that he is not allowed to have a laptop in his cell,he has one in the library,but wants one in his cell like others,,,WTF, him and the other scum of his ilk IMO should not even have a bed to sleep on,a book to read,or a meal that’s hot.
      It’s wrong that these pitiful humans have conditions the same as those on unpaid fines or hard luck time.
      I just reckon making the conditions for these scum balls just bare essentials might not be any deterrent at all,as the crime has already been committed but we surely don’t have to bend over backwards to give them a life of relative luxury behind bars.
      At least it would help victims knowing that scum were not only doing time,but doing it hard for every day of there miserable lives…not blokes like yourself or others on petty crimes,sorry,should have stated that,just had the pure filth of our society in mind . Some great point being made on the comments though for both sides of the debate, I just hate the thought that Downey and his like ,will be having all the comforts of home ,bring in hard time,that means hard time ,will make the victims feel just that touch better I’d reckon. Good debate though. Sorry Billy

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      • downey will get life no minimum or close to 40yrs what a sicko should be shot.knights lets see how much balls the vic goverment has whan he’s due for release.REFUSE his parole dont ever let him see the light of day again the maggot.if he bucks take the dog out of mainstream.put him in with brain dead matty the poof johnson and hope they kill each other like williams.let the jungle take care of there own

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    • craig,a few yrs ago a young kid was put in long-bay jail for un paid fines he was bashed by an an animal who was in for murder.he nearly died was on life support for months ended up with permanent brain damage.thats WRONG for that to be allowed to happen.there was a big public outcry over it at the time.if the zoo put lions in the same cage as deers imagine the out cry.

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  37. Craig, Craig, Craig…just get off your high horse for a moment. Jail is jail. Trying to differentiate between the real low life, and the unlucky, is just damn hard. No-one really knows what do to with bad assess. They exist, you just hope you don’t cross their path. Jails will scare some people, but for for others, it just comes with the territory of the life they choose. Everybody knows rehabilitation via jail is extremely limited. You can only hope the worst of the worst end up in super-max.

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  38. Dave, I’m not on a high horse as I don’t believe I’m showing any signs of arrogant superiority. What I am showing, however, is a blatant disgust for the current legal and penal systems that we have in place in this country, as I believe they’re far too soft compared to other countries like Thailand, Bali etc, as quoted by Johnny in a previous comment. I think it’s time for some stern punishment to those convicted of specific crimes ( please forgive me, I have no idea how to grade or separate certain crimes from others ) and re-offenders etc. Why can’t we adopt a 3 Strikes rule? If you get arrested and convicted 3 times ( and it doesn’t have to be for the same thing nor does a time limit apply ), then you’ve had your chances and the criminal has proved that they’re beyond rehabilitation and / or that they’re an habitual offender, and we have no place for people like that in our society. Everyone else can seem to manage to do the right thing. Does that make my stance and thoughts clearer Dave?

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    • craig ur an idiot ur more than on ur high horse ur brains r in ur arse.3 strikes and out look at america texas they got that law a bloke stole a slice of pizza he was starving got life his priors weren’t serious offences do we want a system like that because the murder rate would sky rocket if they know its life they will kill at the drop of a hat not to get arrested.build another 1000 jails or would u execute them all regardless.u treat people like an animal and they will react accordingly when they get out.remember H division it destroyed mind and souls.those animal screws were worse crims than the screws.u obviously had a pampered childhood well not everybody was that lucky.im not supporting violent crime but some people are victims of bad luck.GET REAL get a brain because u got no logic or commen sense to write that CRAP.

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  39. Back to school to learn spelling and grammar, Bill. EVERYONE KNOWS RIGHT FROM WRONG. How long does it take for these chumps to learn that what they are doing is wrong? Are you happy that criminals are let out only to re-offend, get sent back to jail, get let out and re-offend once again, and so the cycle goes… Where will it end? So what if a home – invader gets released for the 3rd, or 4th or 5th time, then gets the notion that these crimes aren’t exactly giving him or her the desired ‘ buzz ‘ that they crave, and they then progress to more serous and violent crimes? How would you feel knowing that you are somewhat advocating this behaviour because you had the chance to prevent someone from being hurt or killed? As for the guy you referred to in your comment that was sent to prison for stealing a slice of pizza, he clearly didn’t learn that what he was doing was WRONG and obviously prison didn’t scare him enough or else he wouldn’t have committed his second offence, let alone the third offence to which you refer. So what do you suggest, oh mighty Bill? A smack on the wrist and a stern talking to? A ‘ time out ‘ in the corner so they have time to think about how naughty they were? Grow up. These punishments don’t work on my 4 year old niece and she has nowhere near the understanding of right and wrong as these ‘adults ‘ are supposed to. Consequences for their actions are far too lenient. Shall we let out kiddie fiddlers because they’ve been behaving themselves? Or shall we keep them in prison and save the childhood and possibly the future of innocent children? Pretty simple decision.

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  40. 3strikes that will open up a can of worms; cops framing people they don’t like and it does happen. thats the sort of comment comming from one with a priveliged childhood [scuse the spelling]

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  41. If you’re referring to me, Billy, then no, you’re wrong, far from a privileged childhood. It’s just that I went to school like I was supposed to and learned what I needed to learn.

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  42. Sometimes things need to be dealt with outside of the ‘system’ … Why aren’t families monitoring their members ??? Bet they protect them though.

    What about spiritual centers ??? Other means, we all KNOW the system is deficient yet everyone is pointing the finger at things too big to fix, without looking for alternatives.

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  43. Like I said previously, criminals don’t plan on going to jail. And yes, some are hopeless cases. But you will not find a judge anywhere who will send someone away for life for a string of petty crimes. Saying we should run our jails like asians ones is culturally ignorant and impractical. Asian jails are full of Westerners who took a chance and got caught, so where is the deterrant?
    You sound like a well-meaning citizen Craig, but I think you are a bit blinkered to what happens in the nitty gritty world. Punishing people who have already had punishing lives, just makes them a bigger menance, in the long run. The ‘lock em away, and throw away the key’, is just a old fashioned fantasy.

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    • Thanks for noticing the true meaning of my comments Dave. I’m just sick and tired of these criminals ( let’s face it, that’s what they are ) getting afforded all the luxuries that most honest and hard working members of society can’t have. I’m not trying to punish the people that already have punishing lives, I’m trying to point out that there is a vicious cycle going on and noone seems to give a damn about rectifying it. How long will it take before a judge takes a stand and says to a repeat offender ” Fuck it, you’ve had far too many chances, caused enough damage, affected too many innocent lives, enough is enough. No more chances, you’re not getting out this time. “? Clearly, that’ll never happen because of all the bureaucrats and do-gooders with their rehabilitation schemes and criminals rites bullshit, plus no doubt the judge would be ridiculed for being too harsh. What about the rites of the victim? Who says that a criminal isn’t going to get out after a pathetic short term sentence and then exact revenge on the victim that sent them to prison in the first place? Why should the victim have to live in fear? Victim’s rites ( if there actually is such a thing ) and public safety should be put before anything else, least of all the perpetrator’s rites. And as for these poor people that have had a punishing life, maybe they need to toughen up a bit, drag themselves out of the vicious cycle, take the bull by the horns and promise themselves and the public that they’ll do their very best not to re – offend by trying to get a bloody job and better themselves and their situation and become a contributing member of society. “We are the result of the choices we make”, and the sooner they take onus of that adage, the better for everyone.

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  44. Dave hit the nail on the ‘head’ ~ criminals DON’T plan on going to jail ~ why ??? ~ they are too busy exposing the loopholes in the system.

    Their defense is ignorance, not their own, but that of the judicial system. So they use it.

    The only thing they plan is the crime, then they engage a lawyer who is fully conversant in all the pitfalls of the system.

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    • Xena,hi
      Sorry mate,but what is a spiritual centre please?
      Also I think criminals don’t plan on going to jail because they don’t think they will be caught.
      I think the loopholes part comes after they are caught,for what it’s worth anyway lol,,

      But what is spiritual centre please.

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      • Hey Johnny – spiritual centres are churches and other places of faith – religion and religious elders.

        And loopholes are there – sadly some are so aware their act is premeditated to specifically fall within a certain gap.

        They are the real sick fks that no one can help unless they have a calibre injection administered straight to that fkd up head.

        Ooops – I am showing myself now.

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  45. It wasn’t exactly what i meant, Xena. What ‘pitfalls’, and what ‘loopholes’ do their lawyers exploit? People misunderstand what the ‘justice’ system is. Its not there to right a wrong, or turn back the clock.
    Obviously, to those who are victims of crime, they would love to dish out their own summary justice -but this is yet another fantasy. We don’t live in Pakistan, where the hand of a thief is cut off. Although I’m sure some people would love it! We come from a long tradition of the British legal system, where people are treated with proprietry and objectiveness.
    I understand the anger that victims of crime feel. Whether their business or home has been robbed, and a loved one has been murdered. But a court cannot ‘unmake’ these actions. The expectations are too high. And unless we leave our traditions behind, and embrace a more summary based system (or mob rule), we are stuck with the flaws of the one we have. And nothing will prevent the ‘churning’ of offenders (offenders repeating their life of crime), because some, are just dumb-ass crims, who know no better, and neither do the people they hang out with. Some people are just wrong’uns…and nobody knows what to do with them. Its a fact of life.

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    • Dace I agree with the point you made but am throwing my own slant – something I have experienced – you talk about ‘some’ people – my point covers some other people or cases – it’s all good. We are all right in our own way – there are so many wrongs I guess I come from another sector of the wrong equation.

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    • Excellent point dave…
      I think I get so frustrated at the slime in jails that I am thinking of the worst things that I WOULD love to happen to them,but a court and judge have to be above that.
      I guess that’s why we have the judge and court system,frustrating as it is at times, but if left to people like me,these bastards would be sitting in a dark room,dirt floor,and thrown a piece of bread at the end of a day,,just to keep them alive ,,not because I want them alive,just to make sure every day is long,and lonely and there time is hard,,, but point well made. Hate it as I do,but it is reality.

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  46. Xena..I’m not trying to be ‘right’. It is obviously a very complex area, and if I’d ever been a victim of crime, I might come across differently. I’m just trying to give a broad overview how the criminal justice works…or doesn’t work in the eyes of victims. You mentioned spiritual centres earlier….I think those sort of places are better suited to victims than perpetrators. There, you might be able to get over some hurt and anger, and find some inner peace. Because dwelling on the person who hurt you, is ultimately hurting yourself. I think the father of that young woman Anita Cobby, was involved in something like that for himself and other victims of crime.
    Summary justice does occur sometimes, but not in court. I heard that the ringleader and murderer of Anita Cobby, got a novel treatment in jail. It involved placing a length of barbed wire inside a plastic tube, then the plastic tube was put in his anus. Then the plastic tubing was removed, and finally the barbed wire………..

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    • I have heard about this kind of treatment before and now that you mention it – it gives me goosebumps – because of where I heard it … I feel like a slice of cheese caught between two slices of bread – I thought I got out of that sandwich

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  47. spot on do they want there taxes to be 50% or more to pay for the new jails for the million new prisoners we’ll have to support .

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  48. Being a crime vicitm I can assure you that we are treated worse than the offenders in the criminal justice system. Offenders are offered lesser sentences for pleading guilty, giving evidence, sob stories ie. ‘had a tough childhood’, prospects for rehabilitation etc., and then in many cases appeal their sentences successfully. Victims struggle to find support within the system and it makes the process of healing all that harder – the imbalance of it all is very difficult to comprehend. I agree that there should be levels of incarceration dependent on the crime, reoffending etc. Rehabilitation is good in theory, but I know from excellent sources that it is pretty much non-existent within the prison system. Many study law (Julian Knight etc) and find loopholes and then waste more public money only to cause their victims even more trauma!!!!!! Perhaps what should be considered is informing victims of what rehabilitation is in place for the offender and monitoring progress – it wont work for all and fo course vicitms could choose/or not to particpate. My feelings are that ultimately the law is soft and acts as no deterrent, you only have to look at some kids as young as 8/10 yrs thumbing it at the police, knowing they can’t be touched. We should be looking at preventative measures by engaging with people that work with disengaged youth to lessen the escalation of crime overall. It would most likely take a generation to see results but worth it in the long run.

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    • lesser sentences with reduced sentence was set up for a reason.costs;free courts up or you would have a back log of years before cases would be heard.it makes a lot of sense,if that wasn’t in place everybody would plead not guilty.

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  49. Hey everyone, first of all, please let me say a massive ‘ thank you ‘ to Robbo for opening up a new forum where we can vent our ideals, thoughts and opinions from past experiences and those instances and crimes that we’ve read or heard about via the media. I would also like to apologise to Robbo for somewhat inadvertently hijacking this forum and straying way off topic. I’m sure there are others on here that are guilty of the same ( pun intended ). This is supposed to be a format for the victims of crime, their families and friends to use to air their grievances, thoughts and feelings in order to bring awareness to situations that need addressing within the system, that most of us are unaware of, and hopefully be the catalyst to start or continue their healing process now knowing that their voice has been heard. Lastly, I’d like to thank Dave, Johnny, Xena, Billy, Carmel etc for their input. I’m glad to know that there are others out there that are as passionate as I am re our procedures and protocols that are currently making a mockery of our judicial system. The opinions and views that have been expressed have been mature and topical and have never ventured to a personal attack for a difference of opinion or view, or understanding of certain things, and for that, you should all be applauded.
    Thanks all.

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    • i was stabbed in the arm leg stom ach holding a gun on me back in the 70′s by 3 gutless mother f”””rs i dived thru a closed window t o get away blood pissing out .i got my own revenge i did hear down the track yrs later 2 of em died.’karma’ what im trying to say is i dont blame everybody who have gone to jail for non violent offences.for many yrs knives used to make me a bit edgey.had my house robbed; car stolen over the yrs u get passsed it.maybe im stronger than the average.i never let shit like that beat me.im better than them.if i was to run into one of them i would rearrange his face.as for donyelle’ur no more a victim than ambo’s and emergency workers get of ur bullshit pedestal.all ur trying to do is justify ur self.u say people dont know u’most dont want to know u i hope ur demons r giving u hell.

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    • Great reply Craig, and we all have our moments (or comments, seeing we are here) so no need to apologise. I am wrapped when I can encourage a discussion about topics that mean something to us.

      WE all deserve a say in our own words if we bother to make the effort to get online, type a subject, google, and I assume find this place…

      WE may not express it the right way at times, but most readers here seem to get that!

      I applaud people being heard…Doesn’t mean we have to agree…

      (Nothing to do with this comment….BUT Just a note generally though, I do not tolerate trolls and dick-heads making trouble for suffering families etc.) They can go find their own place to grizzle and whine about their convicted associates

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      • Cheers Robbo, once again mate, keep up the stellar work. I always look forward to checking my emails for notifications of fresh comments. ( side topic – I see your favourite ” famous-by-association ” chump is in the headlines again after getting himself arrested in the U.S., lmfao ).

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  50. What happens in society, often results in how and why people end up in jail. Kids 8-10 out roaming late at night, multi-generational welfare – housing commission estates……I don’t want to look I’m picking on the poor, but obviously attitudes are hardened well before someone finds themselves in the criminal justice system. This leads to problems with rehabilitation programs. They didn’t care before, so will they suddenly care, just because they are in jail, with a bunch a well-intentioned but naive social workers/pyschologists around them? And while some might sound dumb, and can’t spell, etc, they are very crafty in their own way. Of course they will use the system. Some perhaps becoming very literate, and learning about the law that put them there in the first place! No easy answer on this one, folks. But suffice to say, what happens on the outside, forms the attitudes of the convicted, once they hit jail.

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    • So who is writing the ‘Book of Life’ and who is maintaining it ???

      “waits for an overwhelming response”

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  51. I don’t there is a ‘book’…its just choas, bullshit and luck. You are right about overstretching the ‘victim of crime’, Billy. A third party, who kinda got caught up on the sidelines, is not a victim. In fact I wish she hadn’t brought the crime up, it just makes me physically ill, when I think about it. And believe there is a bit of grandstanding going on, which just makes it worse. She sounds a bit silly and immature.

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      • that wasn’t meant for u sorry .there is a minority out there who grab the first chance to claim victims of crime money.by bringing false charges against sombody.yes thats probally what that grandstander is up too.pathetic .she probally gave evidence against them to save her own arse.it’d be interesting to read the transcrips.to see how much she was involved.its called a deal

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  52. Its hard to get the bottom of that one. She claims she heard that they might hurt/rob the old lady, but did nothing. They were friends/ aquantances of her’s. Just the way she made sure we knew what book and page number in a true crime book, certainly got me suspicious. She may well be having bad feelings about it now. But I think she is mixing up this site with the true crime genre you get in books and on telly, that has popular. It was such a horrific case, I’d only be mentioning if I was a close relative, and feeling devestated, if I was her. I remember the case well, but I didn’t want to hear about her little hurts, and reminder us at the same time, she made it into a true crime book. Just doesn’t seem genuine.

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  53. Yeah, mate, she was playing us for mugs. She gives details of the book she is in at the begiinning of the thread. I can’t remember the old lady’s name though. That would make it easier to look up on the net.

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  54. The victim was Joy Alchin. There are two stories I found. She was known to hoard large amounts of cash at home. Everyone would have known about it, including our ‘victim of crime’ Donyelle Turner. What she did or didn’t do with that knowledge, is unknown.

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    • thanks bud going to get this checked out i’v had a gut feeling about this as soon as i read it.it just dont add up.a lot of people when facing many years behind bars will give evidence for the ddp so they can walk with immunity.very handy for her to be in sydney when it went down good ALIBI

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    • i just read it them animals raped her family members involved in it too.they rang 000 for her to be found but it wasnt acted on.typical of 000call centre.so many lives are lost over there imcompitance.turner got a very brief mention but not the 15min of fame she was looking for.sorry donyelle ur still a NOBODY

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  55. Yeah, she may or may not of known of what was about to happen. She perhaps did, if she made sure she was outta town. The cops obviously didn’t haven’t have enough evidence to slap her with a conviction of knowlingly covering up a crime. But mostly, she is just a pathetic little person trying to come over all honest and hurt, and get some ‘recognition’. Actually using her full name. What an idiot. Go back and crawl into your hole, you lame little bitch.

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    • Davo
      Just a thought mate,trolls work in all manner of ways,so slight as it is,there is still a chance that some other dick wad has put her name to the post. As it just seems ridicules that she would post that,with her full name,and with the intension to highlight that bit about the tv,,,I may be million miles off ,but as she hasn’t replied there is a chance some troll is mascurating as her..
      Just a thought,as re reading it does open a lot of unanswered questions,and it’s hard to believe those views and putting a name to it,,,just a thought though mate.funny that all these haven’t been replied to ,so wondering if it really is her. Is Robbo able to see email addresses that posted the comments.

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  56. Dave, I don’t necessarily disagree with what you’re saying in terms of kids roaming streets at night etc but I reckon that’s just scratching the surface. In our situation the majority of offenders (older youths) came from well to do families and appear to have been caught up in a gang culture scenario – didn’t even know the victim. It absolutely made no sense what happened and what ensued was a life lost and a family destroyed. Going through the criminal court system is an eye opener, and having firsthand knowledge I can assure you it seriously favours the offenders. The sentences handed out in our case were ‘mostly’ pitiful due to the age of the offenders and their prospects for rehabilitation. I’d be keen to know what rehab was in place for these offenders and/or would like to have a say in how it is administered. I guess what I’m trying to get across is that criminals stem from all walks of life, and yes, a reasonable percentage from generational welfare areas, but also from ethnic groupings – greed and dominance also play a major role – many are just plain bored and looking for some excitment and/or believe they are owed something from society for their lot in life. As I was trying to get across in my early post, it is my belief that many of these problems can only be resolved from intervention in the early stages ie. Engaging with youth, integration into society, decent social workers/counsellors placed in schools, including primary. There are many things that can be done with more government funding in all these areas to assist in reducing future crime statistics. Only problem is the governments won’t listen. Engaging with people at the coalface would be a good start – think Les Twentyman, Salvation Army Crossroads and the like.

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    • I’d take it a step further too Carmel ,I reckon there should be some system in place in the prison system that would see cases like Julian knights first have to meet a criteria. It would pay to have a judge or panel of sorts here the appeals that the likes of knight are forever tying up our courts with,and if they are frivolous then they don’t even make it to the court house.
      So for the likes of him,have retired judge or a panel or whatever is needed,and they would decide whether or not the appeal for stuff like laptops in his cell is warranted,if so,it goes ahead to the courts ,but if not,then that’s it. Sort of a mini system to weed out time and money wasters. There is real people in need of court time and real criminals that the courts have to get through,,time wasters like knight and co with frivolous complaints should it be tying up the courts.
      Not prison appointed panels either,as it would or could be open to favouritism of sorts one way or another. Independent panel to make the decisions that the judges get bogged down with..
      Just a thought to stop time wasters.

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  57. Johnny, she has been replying to me quiite often. Scroll thru. Even tho Billy has been suss of her too. Maybe she is telling the truth in a roundabout way, but she seems to think her connection with the crime by knowing these people well, gives her some kind of cred. Its sick, and I think she thinks she is some kind of minor celebrity in the true crime genre. I think she is pea-brained and pathetic. Attention seeking. She’s not ‘traumatised’. Its all a big act.Robbo has also posted something on the net about her susdpicious behaviour. Google her name.

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    • Yeah,just done as you said dave,didn’t realise she has been a frequent flyer,,that shot my theory down then. Thought she had only posted the couple of comments,but now see clearly what your both saying,and now agree ,should do more reading before I give benefit of doubt or look to some other reason,like someone else posting as her,which it clearly isn’t.
      Grandstanding at others expense and posting as a victim is pretty pathetic ,now seeing clearly ,and don’t like it at all. Real victims need a say,not people saying they are victims,only to grandstand ,very poor and really should be ashamed of her comments now,which is maybe why she hasnt put her case forward again,as there is really no case to put forward,not in my books anyway.

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  58. Carmel, social workers (except for ones like Les Twentyman) are useless as tits on a bull. If, as you say, crime is not poverty based, and comes from all walks of walks of life, why would bored kids listen to anyone? If they smartarsed little trouble-makers, they are like it from a young age, and they don’t listen to anyone in authority. If their parents can’t control them, no-one will.

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    • nobody can disipline there kids anymore without the threat of assault or welfare taking them.the goverment has created a lot of the problems we now have.the schools are telling kids if your parents smack you report them.its a bloody joke.

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  59. when i get back to aus i’ll do a bit of digging on this;she’s dropped off for one reason we got too close to the truth.i’v knocked around a bit in my day i tell u she smells all over it.any good cop will tell u always listen to ur 6th sense we all got the same vibes of her.i agree with craig what IDIOT would give her name its like she’s proud of herself.if anybody sees a fatal that dont make them a victim.piss of turner crawl back under ur rock

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