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Gerard Baden-Clay testifies: Live coverage of accused killer’s third day in witness box
Gerard Baden-Clay trial: Accused murderer continues giving evidence on third day in the witness box
3:31pm: Mr Fuller referred to an email Ms McHugh sent Mr Baden-Clay telling him she was tired of “pacifying” his marriage and being “second best”.”Wasn’t she capable of saying all that to your wife?” Mr Fuller asked.The court has previously heard Ms McHugh and Mrs Baden-Clay were due to come face-to-face for the first time since the affair had been made public at a real estate conference on April 20, 2012. “No … I had known her [Ms McHugh] for a period of over four years and I knew she had these explosive moments and then cooled down afterwards,” Mr Baden-Clay said. “I had no concern. Allison had probably anticipated that Toni would be at that conference anyway.”
A copy of Allison Baden-Clay’s journal has been tendered to the Brisbane Supreme Court.
3:20pm: Mr Fuller has asked Mr Baden-Clay about the list of questions in Mrs Baden-Clay’s journal. In the journal entry Mrs Baden-Clay wrote: “Laughed at undies. Told me I smelled.” Mr Fuller asked Mr Baden-Clay to explain the comments. “We had recommenced our sexual relationship in February [2012] after the best part of nine years without any and it was very awkward initially. There were a couple of occasions, the beginning, where Allison was very self-conscious and very self-aware of what we were doing and I think she thinks that I laughed at the underwear that she was wearing and that’s not true,” Mr Baden-Clay said. “What about the next one?” Mr Fuller said. “I didn’t tell her she smelled. Neither of us had had a shower on one occasion and I said maybe we should have a shower because we smelled,” Mr Baden-Clay said. Mr Fuller suggested Mrs Baden-Clay asked Mr Baden-Clay those questions on Thursday April 19, 2012. “That’s completely untrue,” Mr Baden-Clay said.
3:08pm: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay failed to tell police on the morning he reported his wife missing that he had rekindled his relationship with his mistress Toni McHugh.”At that point in time my primary concern was for Allison’s safety and her whereabouts,” Mr Baden-Clay said.”At any moment I anticipated that she would be back. So no, I did not discuss the fact that I’d been in contact with Toni McHugh.”
3:05pm: Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC has continued his cross-examination of Gerard Baden-Clay. Mr Fuller has turned his questioning to the night Mr and Mrs Baden-Clay drove to the Mt Coot-tha Lookout to discuss his affair. The court has previously heard Mrs Baden-Clay asked her husband a series of questions about the time he spent with his mistress Toni McHugh on the evening of April 18, 2012. The questions were written in Mrs Baden-Clay’s journal. “You didn’t tell police about a conversation on the 18th,” Mr Fuller said. “They didn’t ask me about that,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
3:00pm: The jury has been called to return to the courtroom.Court is in session.
2:46pm: Court has resumed.But legal argument is continuing between the prosecution and defence counsels.The jury is not yet present.
Crown Prosecutor Todd Fuller QC. Photo: Renee Melides
1:27pm Wrap: So far today … * Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC began his cross-examination of Mr Baden-Clay in dramatic fashion. Mr Fuller: “Mr Baden-Clay you deceived your wife for nearly four years didn’t you?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.” Speaking loudly and forcefully, Mr Fuller stood at the bar with his hands folded in front of him. Mr Baden-Clay sat in the witness box responding to Mr Fuller’s questions in a hushed tones, prompting Justice John Byrne to request the former real estate agent speak louder. Mr Baden-Clay sat in the witness box with his hands folded in his lap, occasionally sipping from a cup of water.
- * Mr Baden-Clay admitted to sleeping with another woman while at a conference in Sydney. At the time, he was still in a secret relationship with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh, while maintaining his marriage.
- * The 43-year-old denied ever intending to leave his wife for Ms McHugh.
- * He also denied being under significant financial pressure at the time of his wife’s disappearance, saying he was only under “some” financial pressure and “things were getting better”.
1:06pm: Court has adjourned for lunch and will resume at 2.30pm.
1:05pm: Mr Fuller has turned his attention to a blog written by Mr Baden-Clay about his wife’s 40th birthday when Mrs Baden-Clay visited a health spa for a week. Mr Fuller read from the blog: “The past week I have been trying to do my best impersonation of my dear wife, and struggling.” The court has previously heard Mr Baden-Clay claim his wife left most of the household duties to him due to her battle with depression. He has told the court Mrs Baden-Clay would go to bed, as soon as he arrived home from work, leaving the tasks of making dinner and putting the children to bed to him. Mr Baden-Clay’s defence barrister Michael Byrne QC raised a matter with Justice John Byrne. The jury was excused from the courtroom.
12:47pm: Mr Fuller has turned his questioning toMrBaden-Clay’s meeting with Ms McHugh at a coffee shop in early 2012.”You told her it was too hard to keep going the way you were going,” Mr Fuller said.”[She said] ‘If you need to be with your wife, if that’s the decision you’re making, then say it’. And your response was, ‘No, I will be leaving my wife, I am leaving my wife’.” “I can’t recollect that,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “It’s the second last time you spoke to Ms McHugh in person,” Mr Fuller said. “I don’t have recollection of those specific things you said,” Mr Baden-Clay said.
12:41pm: Mr Fuller: “Who was more important to you Mr Baden-Clay?”Mr Baden-Clay: “Allison, absolutely Allison.”
12:40pm: Mr Fuller has turned his attention to the two occasions Mr Baden-Clay was intimate with Ms McHugh in the months after his wife had discovered the affair.”You told us you had sex with her, why did you do that?” Mr Fuller asked.”One occasion was not … was after we had met at a coffee shop and when we went back to our cars to leave I sat in her car and talked with her for a little bit longer,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. He took a deep breath and looked down at his hands. “How much sordid detail am I expected to give your Honour?” Mr Baden-Clay said. “I’m not asking for the sordid details, I’m asking why you had sex with her,” Mr Fuller said. “It wasn’t sex as in intercourse, but umm, I don’t know if I can really answer that question,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
Gerard Baden-Clay in court on trial for the murder of his wife Allison Baden-Clay. Photo: Ten News
12:34pm: “You told Toni McHugh that you didn’t love your wife didn’t you?” Mr Fuller asked.“I may have done,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.“Again just to placate her?” Mr Fuller asked. “Yes, absolutely,” Mr Baden-Clay said.
12:34pm: Mr Fuller: “When did you first tell Allison that you didn’t love her?” Mr Baden-Clay: “I can’t remember. I did tell her that on an occasion, but I can’t remember.” Mr Fuller: “Was it more than once?” Mr Baden-Clay: “The conversations that we had were … please forgive me I’m just trying to recollect for you … we were … I’m trying to think if I can give you a reference to a time. I think it must have been in 2009 perhaps when we first when to see [psychiatrist] Tom George and we’d had a couple of conversations prior to meeting with him.” Justice John Byrne: “2009?” Mr Baden-Clay: “I think that’s correct your Honour.” Mr Fuller: “When Allison asked you to go with her to go and see him [Dr George]?” Mr Baden-Clay: “We agreed to go together … and it was after our conversations with Dr George … [I said] that I still loved her but I didn’t feel in love with her.”
12:28pm: Mr Fuller referred to an email from Ms McHugh to Mr Baden-Clay.”It’s clear that you have led her to believe that you were moving out and needed somewhere to live,” Mr Fuller said.”She was constantly trying to put additional pressure on me,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “That pressure was right up until April 19, 2012. She wanted you to leave you wife. She wanted to be with you,” Mr Fuller said.
Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh’s emails are submitted to the Brisbane Supreme Court where the father-of-three is standing trial for his wife Allison’s murder. Photo: Court Exhibit
12:23pm: Mr Baden-Clay said he felt a responsibility to Ms McHugh.”She was under your spell wasn’t she?” Mr Fuller said. “Is that how it started?”“How do you mean?” Mr Baden-Clay asked. “Well you told us that you’d been couselling some of your staff. You told us she had problems in her own relationship. She was vulnerable wasn’t she?” Mr Fuller asked. “I didn’t think of her as vulnerable,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
Toni McHugh leaves court. Photo: Channel 7
12:18pm: The court has heard Mr Baden-Clay was involved in an affair with a woman named Jackie Crane, while also involved in a relationship with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh and maintaining his marriage.Under heated questioning from Mr Fuller, Mr Baden-Clay admitted to sleeping with Ms Crane for a “couple of months”.On one occasion Mr Baden-Clay slept with Ms Crane while attending a real estate conference in Sydney. Mr Baden-Clay admitted he asked Ms McHugh to fly to Sydney to join him at the conference the following day.
12:14pm: Mr Fuller noted that Mr Baden-Clay had previously broken off his relationship with Ms McHugh.”Why didn’t you have the strength to do that in April 2012?” Mr Fuller asked, referring to the emails Mr Baden-Clay had sent Ms McHugh.“I told her on those occasions when we’d broken up over those three years … the reason we got back together was because I was concerned about what her reaction would be,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “I had the courage on occasion to try and end the relationship and the weakness to go back into it or placate Toni.”
12:09pm: Mr Fuller has turned his attention again to MrBaden-Clay’s relationship with Ms McHugh in late 2011 and early 2012.”There were two occasions when we did have a sexual interaction and I deeply regret that. I deeply regret the whole thing. We were communicating with one another, I wouldn’t call it an affair,” Mr Baden-Clay said.“So why did you ring her up and ask her if she had told the police that you were back together?” Mr Fuller asked. “I had instructed her to tell the police everything,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
12:05pm: Mr Fuller has turned his questioning to MrsBaden-Clay’s response to the discovery of her husband’s affair in light of her history with depression.”There was no lying around?” Mr Fuller asked.Mr Baden-Clay said his wife had retreated to the couch on occasion after learning of his affair. Mr Fuller indicated he was surprised to hear Mrs Baden-Clay had time to sit on the couch while working four days a week and raising three children. Mr Baden-Clay rebuffed the suggestion.
12:01pm: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay agreed to hand his wife his mobile phone each night after she discovered his affair. The court has previously heard Mr Baden-Clay deleted any calls he received from Ms McHugh. The court has also previously heard Mr Baden-Clay had sex with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh on two occasions after his wife discovered the affair. “So when were you going to be open and honest with her about those things?” Mr Fuller asked. “I didn’t intend to disclose those things potentially ever … because I didn’t want to put in jeopardy our relationship together,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “There was a real risk she was going to walk out wasn’t there?” Mr Fuller said. “There was of course a risk,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
11:58am: Mr Fuller: “The representation that people saw of your life as of 2011 and 2012 didn’t really have a ring of truth about it did it? … Your relationship with your wife was in trouble.”Mr Baden-Clay: “In 2011, at the time that Allison became aware of the affair with Toni, certainly our relationship was in trouble, but we were rebuilding from that moment.”
11:51am: Mr Fuller questioned Mr Baden-Clay about his continued false promises to Ms McHugh.”So you were willing to say whatever could be said to get yourself out of the situation?” Mr Fuller asked.“In that situation yes,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
Gerard Baden-Clay’s former mistress Toni McHugh. Photo: Supplied
11:50am: Mr Fuller has noted Mr Baden-Clay rekindled his relationship with Ms McHugh in the months after his wife discovered the affair. “You couldn’t live without her could you?” Mr Fuller said. “That’s not correct,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “That’s why you went back to her?” Mr Fuller said.
11:44am: Mr Fuller noted July 1 happened to be his wife’s birthday.”It also happens to be today,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
11:43am: Mr Fuller has questioned Mr Baden-Clay about the emails he sent to Toni McHugh promising to be with her “unconditionally” by July 1.The email read: “This is agony for me too. I love you. I’m sorry you hung up on me. It sounded like you were getting very angry. I love you GG. Leave things to me now. I love you GM.”Mr Baden-Clay and Ms McHugh called each other GG for “Gorgeous Girl” and GM for “Gorgeous Man”. Mr Baden-Clay has insisted he sent the emails to placate Ms McHugh.
Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh’s emails are submitted to the Brisbane Supreme Court where the father-of-three is standing trial for his wife Allison’s murder. Photo: Court Exhibit
11:41am: Mr Fuller is standing at the bar, with his hands folded in front of him.His voice echoing throughout the courtroom.A softly spoken Mr Baden-Clay is seated in the witness box with his hands folded in his lap.
11:39am: Court has resumed.Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC has started his cross-examination of Mr Baden-Clay in dramatic fashion.Mr Fuller: “Mr Baden-Clay you deceived your wife for nearly four years didn’t you?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.” Mr Fuller: “You led her to believe that your were faithful?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes I did.” Mr Fuller: “You led her to believe that she was the problem in the relationship?” Mr Baden-Clay: “No.” Mr Fuller: “You led her to believe that you wanted to change, that you wanted to make things different?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.” Mr Fuller: “You led her to believe that you had chosen her over Toni McHugh?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.”
11:24am: Mr Byrne has finished questioning Mr Baden-Clay.Mr Baden-Clay will be cross-examined by prosecutor Todd Fuller QC after a short morning tea break.
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p class=”first”>Accused murderer Gerard Baden-Clay will resume giving evidence today at the Supreme Court in Brisbane, defending claims he murdered his wife.
Under oath last week, the 43-year-old denied killing his wife, Allison, and disposing of her remains in April 2012. The former real estate agent wept in court yesterday as he revealed details of his multiple affairs, saying he never intended to leave his wife and turned to other women when the intimacy in their marriage dried up. Baden-Clay said he began his affairs because he wanted sex but he ultimately desired a long-term future with his wife and their children. The 43-year-old also used a highlighter to demonstrate how twice he cut himself shaving the morning Allison vanished on April 20, 2012. Forensic experts have testified the wounds on his face look like fingernail scratches and the court has also been told Allison’s blood was found in one of the couple’s cars. Baden-Clay has told the court that when he went to sleep on April 19, 2012 Allison was watching TV and when he woke up she was gone. Her body was found on a creek bank at Anstead on April 30, 2012, 10 days after her husband reported her missing. Thanks LJC I have a computer guy coming out today.My computer just shuts down after being on after about 45 minutes
This is LJC2013, standing in for Robbo (whose computer has gone to be with God)… We are hoping he gets back ASAP because I have no skills as an administrator!! I have to go to a doctor’s appointment tomorrow morning (to look after my own mental health… given the torture all AC Teamsters are being put through in that courtroom – haha) but I will hopefully be at the courts by 11:00 and I’ll just beg for a seat. And thus we begin yet another day of drivel, drama and demented dialogue. Get Well Soon, Robbo’s Computer!! :) PS. News just in… They’re opening 3,249 courtrooms to deal with all the public interest. Haha.
rundown 10am to 12.41pm day 13
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11:41am: Mr Fuller is standing at the bar, with his hands folded in front of him.His voice echoing throughout the courtroom.A softly spoken Mr Baden-Clay is seated in the witness box with his hands folded in his lap.
Good start, LJC. I heard there might be two more rooms open tomorrow. Apparently no one can remember there ever being 3 courtrooms used for one trial before let alone possibly 5.
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Thank you… Should I post that in the main post? About the courtrooms?
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Sure, wish I could remember where I saw it though, to double-check myself, lol.
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Robbo has left us in good hands whilst he is in mourning. I’m sure the little computer technician down the road can reanimate Robbo’s computer in no time. Administrator? You rock everything you do. Yes take care of your own mental health, please! As a sufferer of depression, your mental health takes precedence. Don’t get unwell on me girl! You are keeping me sane! hugs
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Lol… Thanks Veritas! I’m sensing an addiction to the AC site… I am too ;-)
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Hi folks, Got a computer repair guy coming. If if cannot pinpoint why it turns off suddenly, losing my stuff, I’m off to shops to but new one. Served me well, numerous, upgrades, memory sticks, and graphic cards. Old workhorse has had enough
Thanks to LJC and others for running what you could and keeping an eye on the place. A lot of stuff needs admin status to do, but thanks for trying Cheers
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Damn cold in Brissy this morning but the queue is long outside the courts…
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Morning km, yes, definitely brass monkey weather! The thermometer is saying 4!!!
I’m hoping to get into court after I finish this job this morning, maybe around lunch time. I’ll message you and let you know. X
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okey doke…keep warm xx
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Gloves and scarves weather me thinks. I don’t think Gerard will need them though. Hoopla Hoopla, the circus is in town, can you see the elephants, can you see the clown…..?
Soooooooo very sad. Strength to the Dickies, extended family and intimate friends. May te force be with them.
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Hi Bella, hope you can make it to court today :)
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Side note, this is good too, Rolf Harris GUILTY Juge said to harris when you come back for sentencing on Friday, you will NOT be going back home. Dirty sly pedophile, enjoy jail!
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/rolf-harris-found-guilty-of-12-counts-of-indecent-assault-of-four-girls/story-fnihse59-1226972998283?from=public_rss
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dare say he may do himself in in the coming days….. :-/
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All the vehicles in this case appear to have cute nicknames. How about the corrective services/police van that ferries GBC from AGCC to court and back everyday… what will we nickname that vehicle ? any suggestions ? Grizzly… the Rhodesian Rolls… maybe a Disney themed name….
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‘Goldfinger’ is my choice JJE – there’s a multitude of underlying reasons; most of which I wouldn’t get past the censor.
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Wanker Wagon.
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They’re opening a courtroom with 250 seats.
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Any idea what the courtroom number is, MM? I’ve just got home from a doc’s appt and heading into city now :)
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Court 11 is for family, friends and journalists.
Such is the intense public interest in the case, the trial is now being streamed live on large television screens into the Law Building’s largest courtroom, the Banco Court. The Banco Court is usually reserved for Supreme Court ceremonial occasions
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Thank you! I’ve been in that one when we came to look at the building for uni (Architecture)… It’s a beautiful space. Will head there with my book and pen in hand ;-)
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This should be an interesting day — got heaps to do but keep logging in to see what’s happening.
Loven the posts. :)
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I can relate to that Louie :)
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Love it!
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I have a theory for everyone about where Allison’s body really got dumped, from my analysis of where Allison’s body was found, the person who killed Allison would not have walked down under the bridge at night even with a torch. The person who killed Allison could not have thrown her body over the bridge since there would be visible injury’s. My conclusion is that the person who killed Allison would have dumped her body nearby in the water and her body floated there over a period of a few hours at night. I made these comment previously on the day 12 section but it disappeared on my computer after a few seconds and all the other comments disappeared as well.
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I agree – altho I cant prove it …
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Crap, that means my response disappeared as well. Lets hope it’s not going to be a regular occurrence.
I agree with your observations.
Kholo Creek…..only 14 k’s away, a small bridge over a popular creek for paddlers and the body was heavily decomposed.
Hardly the ‘concealment’ of the year.
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There was a lot of rain after Allison disappeared, maybe canoeists found it too unpleasant rowing in the rain, can’t say. And I seriously doubt a canoeist is checking out the scenery, more likely to be carefully navigating a narrow (I believe at that point) creek.
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They’re going through the phone records during the early morning after Allison had ‘disappeared’.. Tweets are flying very fast.
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Oh god I’m missing it! Hurry up, Qld Rail!! hurry up!! I hope you’re taking notes in my absence, Gerryrocks!!
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GBC turning on the tears – sure hope he keeps hydrated.
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GBC says he didn’t tell Allison that TM was attending the conference 1. as there would be hundreds of others there and 2. it would reveal that he had been in communication with TM
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Phone records completed. Jury now being taken through the layout of the house at Brookfield.
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GBC in the property manager role now so the tears can dry on his cheeks.
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lmao, he is “safe” when he isn’t having to answer questions that remind him of the ‘deed’.
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The ‘switch-flicking’ on the emotions is terrifying for me to watch. We all laugh about it, I know, but it really scares me!! (Sensitive little thing that I am… Haha)…. Does it scare anyone else??
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Best advice I can give you is don’t lose sight of the fact that the man in the box is mentally deranged, insane and a killer.
We don’t usually come face to face with these sorts of people in real life that’s why the fascination (and the thrill).
Reminds me of why I used to watch scary movies, but then real life is better than fiction.
I would liken witnessing Gerbil in the box to a visit to a mental asylum. LOL…
No, I wasn’t in court LJC – am an ex Brissie girl (retired from academia on Tamborine Mtn.)
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I won’t lose sight of it MM! Lets hope the jury doesn’t either. Am on my way into the courthouse now. Probably 10-15 mins away. Hoping the queue isn’t too long :-/
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Interesting that Allison slept on the side of the bed nearest the bedroom door. I thought he was the one who got up and did everything?
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That useless dolt Allison… crikey she was inept and incompetent, her sleeping position needed to be as close to her other spot – the couch – as possible… what a lazy slug she was… only did 5%-10%-15% of domestic duties and parenting.. would crash out like a Fortitude Valley junkie at 5pm after popping a round of pills..
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Daughters each had their own room – over the carport, garage area.
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Going through where the cars were parked – no point in sharing – it’s all his word as to where they were and likely fibs anyway.
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Wonder how gbc is going to explain away his email to TM about * ‘sticking to his july 01 commitment to be separated* ?
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Asked about the life insurance so the tears start again…
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I know a lot of very good drivers who do not like to reverse park.
And yet…….our Allison reversed parked the Captiva in to garage park. S’plain please gbc?
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Hi Moonraker. Hope you’re feeling better and pain has eased up 😊
Exactly to your post – she didn’t like driving, so why reverse park? 😏
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Actually I was assuming she did park dayd. Which means she was actually a good driver. Most women don’t reverse park other than we females who don’t want to run over a kiddie backing out of our carport. I have always reversed parked. However I see what you are saying; it’s very probable gbc parked it. In preparation.
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Sorry dd thanks so much for your kind words throughout. It’s healing nicely as did first two but my sleeping is still off and I’ve had migraines which I haven’t had for six years. I know this trial has affected us all. I’m starting to know when I need to take a break. :)
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dd-it’s only been gbc/ow who said Allison didn’t like driving isn’t it? Her mother didn’t mention that I recall as she drove the girls to her parents every year. Most people who don’t like driving would never drive long distances. Could be another long tall tale of great exaggeration.
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Yup. His entire life is a lie.
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Daddy told me… I had an obligation… Pleeeeese.
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Allison’s body hadn’t even been identified yet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cross examination to begin after the break now… Are you in court yet LJC? I’ll step back when you’re in.
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I’m here, MM!! Ready to record. Times it perfectly xx Are you here today??
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I’m going to switch from phone to pen/paper because my phone battery running out fast! Will post notes immediately when I get home and I’ll even try to keep them legible xx
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Rage on sweet thawng !!:)
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From my analysis of the trial so far, I think there is a small chance of GBC getting acquitted, regardless of wether he is guilty or not.
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Small chance very small I think ICR. You haven’t heard PC team shoot holes in to him yet.
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I agree with what you’re saying & I am still worried, but I think it has come to a point where it is clear his word cannot be trusted (he, “under oath” admitted he had repeatedly lied to TM and had “no intention” of leaving Allison for her, and just diddled her along for 3 years. he just stood there and said he wasn’t under financial pressure: despite also saying he had repeatedly asked people for big loans and cried to a woman over the phone) and it is only his word to support the preposterous story of the face “cuts” etc. etc. etc. Depends how the jury want to regard their responsibilities. Would a reasonable person believe his story over the (albeit circumstantial) evidence?
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Stay calm people, link by link the chain builds. Lie by exposed lie the chain gets stronger.He will be sweating up there for 3 days minimum. easily longer
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Absolutely Robbo. Those chains will connect link by link – hand in hand with his rising anger at being called out on his lies in such a public manner, step by little step from the Prosecution. The narcissistic rage is building like a volcano, people. I’d say he’s at a mild simmer internally right now.
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OMG he is going to be cross examined today! I thought this may go on for the rest of the week. I am now and putting all my faith in the prosecution to use just some of his crapweb in questioning. If they are clever it should be very easy for them to show that any “reasonable doubt” cannot reasonably be taken as true. Praying for jusice to be done.
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GOD, he is good if he is guilty. If he is innocent he of course has nothing to worry about. But OMG, if he is guilty, his capacity to keep up a charade is unbelievable. Outstanding actually.
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He killed his wife, make no mistake, in my view he will be cooked like yesterdays roast at the end. That’s all that matters folks.
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Basically gbc is going to really turn the ‘waterworks’ on today. As if the jury isn’t hip to this; my gawd!
He is going to stick to his ‘prepared testimony’ rehearsed with the defence team that nothing he promised TM he meant. That the business was only a success due to him alone. He did all the work at home/Allison did none. The kids only looked up to him and they were his top priority. The business failed due to his partners; not him. And Allison was depressed from honeymoon on.
Basically sums it up. If the jury buys that; I’m going to get rich selling ice cubes at the North Pole.
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The big show rolls into town. Stuff your pockets with Tissues GBC
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Geez aren’t his tear ducts dry one hour in?? He should learn to pace himself when he’s prancing…I I mean testi-lying.
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hahaha…testi-lying! My son just heard last nights brief for the news & he said “did they just say he had an affair with a border collie??” lol…about the only b*tch he didn’t have an affair with!
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he denies he was under financial and relationship pressures…..pfft LOL
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Just pee’d laughing too hard. He’s kray-kray.
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Once the persecution starts to cross examine GBC, his chances of being acquitted are gone.
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He must be feeling “shithouse” at the moment. For his sake, I sure hope the prosecutor keeps his voice down…
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—- Fuller is almost shouting as he reminds Gerard he told Toni in black and white he would leave his wife by July 1 —-
Won’t that rude man keep his voice down? Rhodesian Real Estate Experts should not be addressed in this manner!!!
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Lol, jje! Especially those Rhodesian Real Estate Experts with hyphenated names to boot!
But shhh! We just won’t mention the hyphenation was done by deed poll, will we? 😉
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—- Gerard is asked whether he wanted to resume the relationship in December, 2011. He says no after saying yes earlier —-
The prosecution are tearing into him. He a little hurt, but he’s ok…
Judge has directed him to answer questions when he doesn’t respond.
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Hahaha little but hurt, forgot that one,. yay at the Judge for making the little worm answer. Guess what ‘love G’, your wife is a bit more than little bit hurt, she is a big bit dead and you are going down arsewipe.
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Nice and slow, calmness, confusion, light moments, hammer one question as a yes or no here or there, hold his hand for an hour, then catch him out with a bang, answer the question NOW Mr. Clay, YES or NOW….Back to calm voice, and so it will go. Ask the same question another way 12 times throughout the day, catch him in the confusion when your not telling the truth. Hours and days of this…yes please
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argghhhhhh now I would love to hear his pissweak voice!!
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That one on the video high baby voice full of fake concern for his wife, who he knew was dead), when Olivia comes up behind him, poking him in the back to shut the hell up…haha
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The one where she did a re-enactment of a fall to say he fell over and hit his head a little. Lol.
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—- Gerard says he can’t remember why he told her he loved her on three occasions in the April communication —-
Dear oh dear… can remember the weather in Switzerland almost 2 decades ago but can’t answer basic questions about his relationships…
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—- Fuller: you deceived your family and friends for that four year period. Gerard: yes —-
Gerard has admitted he is deceptive… hmmm
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fuller is awesome. must be a highlight of his career.
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He gave Allison Toni’s old desk in the office!!! WTF!!!
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gee life was good for 3 days after dining on metaphoric Peking Duck for lunch last 3 days, GBC the time has come to eat a shit sandwich to be frank!Time to take your medicine Enjoy it.
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And no sugar on it Robbo!
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That’s it,no sugar (sugar coating this time sonny)
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LOL ozfromoz and Robbo, love it :)
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—- Fuller: her depression was linked to the birth of your children. Gerard: no, it went back to childhood and Lariam —-
So that useless, fat trashbag junkie Allison has been depressed her whole life now…. This man knows it all.
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—- Fuller: you told her you don’t believe depression is an illness. Gerard: in the past —-
He admitted that he ridiculed that useless, depressed, inept woman and trivialized her depression.
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—- Gerard says Allison had a number of panic attacks. He was working from home at the time —-
All the women in this man’s life appear to suffer from “panic attacks”, amongst other things…
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“Gerard: two occasions a sexual encounter, wouldn’t call that an affair” Dick! Shades of Bill Clinton who claimed he didn’t know a blow-job was sex!
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—- Fuller asks why he called Toni to ask whether she had told police about their affair. Gerard insists he told Toni to tell police everything. —-
Hang on…. what about “laying low” ?? This blazing wagon of gunpowder kegs is becoming a bit volatile
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—- Fuller asks why Gerard took Toni to real estate functions instead of his wife. Gerard says he can’t think of any. Fuller says what about the real estate conference in Sydney. Gerard agrees he invited Toni. Fuller says he invited Toni the day after sleeping with someone else. —-
Can the court staff make sure the jug of water is always topped up….
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Odd that Todd Fuller is being so loud and aggressive.
Normally, loud and abusive behaviour puts average people off and they start to get a bit sympathetic….especially if they’ve ever copped similar sort of treatment from anyone.
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Nah, they have listened to the sugar coated version for days BR. he will switch it around. Just wanted to make sure GBC was awake and jury snapped to attention. Nothing unusual here yet.
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He’d want to and not over step the mark on the bullyboy tactics.
He’ll turn ‘em off. We’ve got to remember these are ‘average’ people. My take on the ‘average’ person is that they’re hardly aware of this trial….irrespective of ‘hundreds’ showing up for it. This stuff just brings out the dedicated….not the ‘average’.
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—- Fuller: you went back to Toni. Gerard: I felt a responsibility for Toni —-
After earlier boasting about his “loyalty” to Allison – even though admitting he was uncomfortable with the word loyalty – he now openly admits he felt a “responsibility” to Toni… and we can’t really be certain whether it’s a relationship or an affair…
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Pay attention to that answer a bit down the track
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Exactly ;)
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—- Fuller says he even spoke about a car that would fit his children and hers. Gerard says he actually doesn’t remember that. —-
With so many emails, car nicknames, plotting and backstabbing, who wouldn’t forget a couple of emails eh ?
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constantly trying to put additional pressure on me…..15 minutes ago he said he had no relationship pressures LOL omg.
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GBC has the right persecutor for him, one that’s aggressive with a loud voice and asks him questions in such away he’s likely to slip up.
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Convenient mental lapse for a genius
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He meant to say I actually DON’T want to remember that (doesn’t go with my story)
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TM shouldn’t have been so nice about him in her testimony. Bet she wishes she had ripped him a new one. Sadly her statement was made when she was probably still in two minds about him.
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If she gets called back to the stand, Oz, he’ll be getting more holes ripped in him than Swiss cheese.
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Always helpful to get a man’s perspective on his testimony.
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—- The court is being shown another email between Toni and Gerard. Gerard looks at it and says “that’s her instigating something”. —-
She is not just “volatile”, she is also an “instigator” now… a meddler…
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gerard-badenclay-trial-live-coverage-day-13-week-4-20140701-3b55i.html Puts some of the tweets into context.
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I have added that as a screen to bottom of thread.Just takes a while to load…
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—- Gerard has interrupted the prosecutor to ask for more water —-
Will those damned staff keep his water glass topped up, that annoying prosecutor will not keep his voice down…
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He wasn’t game to tell the Prosecutor to keep his voice down was he. :)
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Hi folks,
New to commenting here but a longtime ‘lurker’ and appreciater of you all.
My fear at this point is that the jury will have no doubt that GBC killed Allison but that they will struggle to overcome reasonable doubt about murder vs. manslaughter. In that instance they would have to acquit, yes?
Let’s hope the prosecution can make a strong case for premeditation. Let’s hope GBC gets tangled in his lies.
How desperately sad it would be if GBC went free, despite the jury knowing he took Allison’s life.
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Hi Elinor.
Welcome! Oh don’t worry – he’s already got himself in a right tangle with those lies. The Prosecutor is helping with the knots.
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Thanks daydreamer – the prosecution is certainly giving cause for hope today – just can’t get rid of the anxious knot in my stomach!
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Welcome Elinor! ; Jury may have more options than Murder and there are different levels of murder in Qld I’m assuming. If not; they may ask if they are allowed to rule on a different charge. Juries are allowed to ask as many questions as needed while working to reach a unanimous verdict.
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Elinor you will notice how CP Fuller is making a statement and then asking a question. This is done so when jurors are reviewing the transcript they have a clear indication what has transpired and what new unheard info is within. So far Fuller is doing an outstanding job. He knows how to rattle GBC’s sense of his own brilliance by mentioning for example how the business was going backwards. GBC up till now has painted himself as the nearest human being to perfection dealing so bravely in such a dire marriage. Doing what mere mortals could never have accomplished.
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Thanks for your replies, moonraker. Good to hear the jury may have the option to convict on a lesser charge, I did wonder about that. I hope they are given meticulous instruction by the judge when they retire to deliberate a finding – no doubt they will be.
Yes, GBC’s grandiose sense of self may well be his own undoing. I just feel like he’s been so damn lucky so many times – the DNA beneath Allison’s fingernails being unidentifiable, the decomposition of the body increasing the chemical concentration of anti-deps in her system etc. It’s time his luck ran out!
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hello Elinor :)
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How GBC is acting on the stand, his IQ looks like it’s about 70.
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—- Gerard: it was a real estate joke about being unconditional —-
Brushing off his “unconditional” pledge to Toni as a mere joke…. move over Rodney Rude….
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I think he meant pun – not a wise choice of words calling it a joke. Either way, the comment is lost on his current audience, so best he button his lip.
He’s just GOT to have a come back doesn’t he – sales ploy…
I doubt he even realises the word-play traps currently going on.
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Here’s an estimate, out of the 12 jurors, 1 or 2 will give him the not guilty verdict.
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Don’t suggest that mate – in Qld the vote needs to be unanimous.
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That what some said about Max Sica and Simon Gittany… and more recently Brett Cowan.
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Where is your academic source for this estimate please?
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You don’t even need to get out of your armchair, expert – ask Mr Google. It comes top of the list when you type in ‘unanimous verdict queensland’. There’s a PDF file there for you to read.
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The source information I asked for was in response to this comment: “Here’s an estimate, out of the 12 jurors, 1 or 2 will give him the not guilty verdict.” , Posted by: TheCrimeResearcher
I responded by asking for an academic source for this estimate.
I have no idea why you thought I was responding to you when I don’t even mention anything from your post? I was clearly responding to TheCrimeResearcher & using comments from his/her post in my response.
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That’s cool…
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Please don’t entertain the thought of this disgraceful maggot walking free.
I think tomorrow the noose will become very tight. Its all there the CP just needs to deliver.
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He’s lost his memory all of a sudden!!
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kmum-notice how quick his waterworks shut off? Had to concentrate no more prancing by the show pony.
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Hmmm he’s pathetic! He actually smiled before he answered one question…going by a tweet anyway
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:) I think he may have dementia :)
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Heard enough already…GUILTY!
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—- Gerard: Allison had low sex drive, was overweight, low self esteem —-
That useless, depressed, fat-cow-of-a-wife… how dare she burden such a Great Businessman.
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Break now till 2:30pm folks…
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Can we have a brief description from someone who is at the court please…
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I think the prancing pony has just found out what it feels like to get a ‘Fuller’ enema. Shut down his tears in a New York minute.
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Let’s just say jje- it was HAMMER TIME!!! Fuller was throwing seven different kinds of smoke in terms of statements the jury will review later and answers that prancing pony is taking longer to answer peppered with ‘snark-asum’. And they’ve only just begun. Defence is asking for ruling on GBC’s blog. OH-OH. Asked jury to dismiss for break.
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GBC your time is up.
Surely the jury can see through all his rubbish.
frantic tick tick tick tock.
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If you want a real quick review go straight to ‘The MurrayD’ twitter acct.
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His feed is also running inside the top of our thread folks
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Fantastic job Fuller, he’s successfully gotten the point across that GBC is willing to say & do anything to get himself out of a sticky situation.
He’s deceived every single person in his life.
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Can you imagine if GBC got 1 year for every lie told? He’d be in jail for the next 100 years (and counting) if he could live that long!
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LOL !! He’s certainly duped a lot of people hasn’t he..
When the prosecution show you’re a serial deceiver, the jury just ignores any testimony you’ve given because it can’t be relied upon.
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Might just have a little read while we wait…
http://expertrealestate.blogspot.com.au/
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I’m trying to recall what GBC said in his Century 21 blog. I know it was so sticky sweet I got an instant sugar high. I believe it was along the line of what a typical holiday (day) is at the BC house. and all he does to make it super special for his gorgeous wife and girls. I’m not quoting but remember reading one write-up on that unless Fuller is referring to another. I know blog was shut down pretty quick after arrest. I printed it off 2 years ago I know. As what I read was his typical over the top ‘I’m such a perfect family man’ drivel.
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Hi moonraker, his century 21 blog was about Allison having a week-end away with a girl friend for her 40th birthday and GBC stayed home and cared for the children He made mention of how much work was involved caring for children and keeping a house and how wonderful Allison was to be able to do all of that :)
He’d not long ago told the jury that he did everything except breastfeed.
ps. I must add that in his blog he told everyone that he was the great grandson of Baden-Powell :)
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aww thanks jess :) I was actually searching and decided to check back here for one of my awesome mates. You’re the best :)
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Think that should have read “The Not So Great Grandson of Lord Baden-Powell”
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Byrne is going to fight like hell to try and not get that blog about Allison’s birthday get-away in trial transcript as it just wipes out all gbc’s blarney about running the entire house-hold raising the girls on his own.
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He sure will! Byrne can fight all he likes, Moonraker. Total exercise in futility – GBC put it out there on his blog for the world to see, so I can’t see how the Judge will go against the Prosecution.
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Well this is a bit of poetic justice isn’t it? :) Fuller’s taking him for quite a ride already! It’s always the way – people ALWAYS talk and ultimately reveal themselves… you just have to follow the trail. NOW it’s getting more interesting! :)
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Yep !! you’re right there Dan. maybe the traits are passed down from generations, after all he is ‘Bwana’s son’. :)
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jess; remember 2 years ago Bwana saying something to one of GBC’s co-workers (I’m thinking Phil Broome) about his son’s needing to cut down on his ‘shenanigan’s’ meaning his affairs. I know I didn’t dream that as I thought at the time probably ol Nige did exact same thing and thought he was entitled as well. Which is why I don’t buy that Bwana did not know about TM whom he liked and she liked him. I’m thinking Toni would have made damn sure he knew to get her in good stead with the whole BC clan.
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I’ve posted it below
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GBC says “it wasn’t sex as in Intercourse ” OMG I’m glad he didn’t go on any further to explain what it was then, as I would have had to vomit !!!!! the mind boggles :)
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Hi Jessy. Did you also notice how he didn’t want to answer that question by asking the Judge about how much sordid detail did he need to delve into?
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Fuller replied dd; he hadn’t asked him for ‘sordid’ details. Which indeed he had not.
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My point got lost from brain to computer! Lol. I was getting at GBC starting to squirm by answering a question with a question.
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well, well, well….happy reading Auscrims :)
Note and edit from ROBBO, I have taken this blog entry quote aside briefly folks, I will replace ASAP
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Wow kmum- would have taken me an hour to type that ! You’re the best:). If judge doesn’t allow this…? I’m SO curious as to what Byrne’s objection will be. Will he say CP needed to introduce it earlier? OMG!!! the jury needs to hear this. It could literally change everything. As gbc has to admit lying on blog-which I can see him doing but won’t be believed. Or he’ll say he was just trying to boost Allison’s confidence.
What do you all think will transpire?
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Just been chatting with LJC & she’s on a high! She said Fuller is going great. & GBC is getting a bit of anger in his voice :)
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I guess Fuller came out the gate with raised voice…lol! And just fired rapid questions and statements until GBC’s eyelashes were fluttering and the tears shut off like a faucet. Towards end before tea break he was getting snippy in his answers because he was starting to have to pause longer in reply. Then came the blog question/Byrne asked judge for consult and break.
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The only reason the judge would agree to exclude the blog is on the grounds that someone in the office wrote the blog entries. I don’t see that’s possible because of so much personal content.
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ahhh but it says under it…posted by …
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copy & paste moonraker ;) I’m a two finger typer
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Same here, I look down at keyboard and type, then look up at screen and fix all the typing and spelling…then go again!
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You two make me feel so much better. I play a mean piano but can’t type worth a …!
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Hmm Robbo, you think you should remove that for now, if there’s a possible issue?
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yep..thats me
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I don’t know how to copy and paste either kmum..lol. I’m sure I could learn but when I was shown once looked like too many steps to me.
I actually have done hand written invitations for weddings etc since I was 14. I think that’s why I am just a lousy typist.
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I always wrote everything too but then just taught myself. Decided to start taking notes again for a course & had to learn how to write again!! I was always a great speller as well & now sometimes I struggle :/
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Yep, that’s a copy of the blog I was referring to Kenmoremum :)
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I remember reading it back in the day & thought it’d be easy to copy here…it was a little bit hidden
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‘a little bit’ haha.. very witty kenmoremum :)
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Thanks for posting that, km.
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Foot spa !! hahahaha!
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Thanks kenmoremum, could have some fun with those initials after his name. He realised he hasn’t Superman? Yes his wife was Superwoman and ever after her death he continues to bring her down to nothing more than a drugged-up blob on a couch.
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Can you imagine how her parents feel hearing all this?
IMO, She didn’t have depression, she was suffering from living with a self absorbed egotistical utter f**kwit who made her feel inadequate.
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He’d probably argue to was Real Estate advertising, same as Pollies blogs, Sportsmen’s blogs, etc etc.
All ‘blogshit’ promoting themselves to their customers/followers.
Or…maybe I will be the epitome of health if I eat Maccas….as per their advertising?
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rundown to lunch here in robbos library folks GBC Trial Day 13 to lunch
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Ty Robbo.
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GBC quote, ‘I haven’t done any vacuuming, dusting, cleaning or a single load of washing!
He probably did that most of the time.
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Too right TCR :)
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ICR not TCR…lol
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The kids have just woken from a nap so I’ll catch up with you all later if I don’t get a chance to pop in sooner. cheers
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I have to go as well jess. Laters :) xx
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Anyone there……what are the ages and sex of the Jury members…roughly?
Ta.
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I’ll check with LJC…stand by
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Thanks KenmoreMum.
Just make sure you get the message across properly…..she may interpret it as rough sex !
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Hi BR…sent her a mssg but she must have been back in the courtroom. I think there’s more males on the jury isn’t there?
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Thanks kenmoreMum.
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yw :)
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I can’t see the jury as I’m not in the main court but will ask others tomorrow!
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BR, from what I recall, from previous posts, they are mostly 40′s -50′s; 7 men, 5 ladies. One younger man, and a younger lady.
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Thanks Millie.
That’s interesting how they’ve been selected.
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Let’s face it. The guy’s been stuffed from birth, really. I mean, I haven’t heard of a person named Gerard have his name pronounced as Ger-red, have you?
Was spelling Ger-red’s name differently to how it’s pronounced another act of self-importance by the BC’s – just like hyphenating their name by deed poll?
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It was eery how in the Lindy Chamberlin movie CP pronounced ‘Azaria’ incorrectly as well and was called on it. Wondered if that happened in real trial. Just gave me a chill. What a coincidence.
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dd-he even flirted with the other Mum’s at school!! There again typical narcissistic behaviour. They are overly promiscuous. Can’t retain a relationship for any length of time. GBC fits every single marker of disorder.
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Anything to be different dd. Doesn’t seem to have gotten them too far has it?
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THAT BLOODY USELESS WOMAN… the more I read about her it infuriates me… would never have dinner on the table or the foot-spa warmed up… takes an entire week to splurge out at a health resort… what a freeloading, lazy, fat-cow-of-a-wife living it up as a junkie-couch-potato while her husband toils in the office…
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I don’t know about you guys, but I personally thought it was noticeable that GBC told the defence – he did not call his wife’s parents until 9.51am saying that the call “was to let them know that Al was missing”.
I think that statement is very telling. He wakes at say 7am, he shaves, he assumes his wife is out walking… but some mere 3 hours later… after calling ‘other people’, he calls HER parents, TELLING them she is MISSING. Not – “have you seen her?” “I can’t find her, I’m getting worried…” but, declaring to them the story… that she is ‘missing’. I think that is so evident because in a normal circumstance, her parents would be the first people contacted to try to locate her – especially since the marriage is suffering issues of infidelity.
I also found it interesting that he told Fuller he ‘instructed’ the mistress to tell the police everything. Instructed? He’s clearly ‘playing’ people all the time and feels he is above others and that they are easy to manipulate… but he doesn’t realise that his choice of words, the language alone that he uses, incriminates him. His type always think they are smarter than everybody else.. and that is always their undoing.
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Hello MsMolly
I don’t recall reading anywhere about her relationship with her parents? It was obviously a normal parent/daughter one, but how often did she visit them or they visit her? I think they lived on the Gold Coast?
I think under any ‘normal’ circumstances that would have been a very hard call to make and GBC isn’t the strongest of characters. I’d say he just avoided it for as long as possible hoping he’d never have to make it.
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Hey BR,
Guess that’s my point :) three hours looking in the morning then declared ‘missing’?? If a loved one of mine couldn’t be located I would keep ‘looking’ all day before reluctantly declaring them ‘missing’. I feel his choice of words used so early in the morning, so soon after waking and shaving, tells me he was moving right along with his ‘story’ because he knew she wasn’t coming back. His choice of words, his resolution that morning was unusual, which is why the police would’ve picked it from the moment they walked in.
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Excellent point MsMolly!
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I thought he only looked for 30-40 minutes & then phoned 000?
Very suspiciously short of time anyway!
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Hello again MsMolly
The Police would have kept him there if he wanted to go out or not.
From all accounts he looked…..phoned them…they came straight around and then started to work on him. They just wouldn’t have let him wander out that door.
They’re always (or should be) mindful of any Crime Scenes. Random people tramping through the terrain are a Scenes of Crime guys worst nightmare.
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Hello again BR, love your thinking but we might have to disagree on this one :) My point is, he called the police early. He described her as ‘missing’ to them early. Very early! And his reason for calling her parents was not to ask them if they had heard from her or knew anything to help find her, but to inform them by 10am, that their daughter was ‘missing’! I just find that timeframe incredibly short for such a grand realisation, and ‘reactive’ (obviously it’s to the script running in his head). And yes you’re right of course police would have been on to him straight away which is why they called for back up within thirty minutes (if I remember correctly). But it was HIM who called them early, rather than exhausting the list of people or places his wife might have been… So … I put it to you BR :)… that he did not exhaust that list throughout the day because he was keen to play out the story … keen because the insurance money was waiting … and he had a plan … and that plan did not include looking for a ‘living’ wife. He knew she was no longer alive and subconsciously without realising, that would’ve changed the way he spoke about her in those initial hours… The choice of words, his demeanour… that’s what’s so telling. He was keen to get the ball rolling…
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Totally agree. I can only hope our illustrious jury is as perceptive as you :)
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I see your thought MsMolly and raise you 2 thoughts….
Thought # 1 -Didn’t his sister say it wasn’t too early to call the Police….and she seems like a fairly dominant/competent sort of person.
Thought # 2 – I suppose we’d have to look at Allisons usual M.O. and if she’s EVER gone wandering off or left home unannounced before? if she had a habit of dropping in on friends at that time of the morning….fair enough, but I don’t think she did and she had the meeting to attend…..and she was worried about Toni being there.
Probably a fair reason to be concerned that she should have been at home….and wasn’t. As well as the fact that she’s a female and walking lonely streets in the dark can be hazardous at best.
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Good chance that she was actually safer out on the streets after dark than in the home…
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Okay :) … reasonable points and I’ll raise you two more :) … So why the shave? Why get dressed for work then? If it is so alarming, so unusual… why get children ready for school, dress for work as if it’s a normal day? He welcomed her parents dressed in an ironed shirt ready for work offering them a cup of tea – but the police had already been called. On the morning Allison’s missing… the police are there, Gerard is dressed for work, the children are getting ready for school and Nigel is loading up his car with a vacuum! This is like a scene from The Twilight Zone.
As for the sister… asking her if it’s ‘too early’ to call the police could also be code for ‘are we ready …to play this out?’… They have certainly looked like a ‘team’ through all of this.
Also – how many thoughts am I up to now?… Gerard claimed Allison would regularly go walking at 10pm…. so if that’s the case (which I doubt) then why would he be quickly concerned that she wasn’t there in the morning…? Sounds so casual and careless… normal husbands wouldn’t be comfortable with that so I don’t think those stories mesh – one version is flippant, the other is very concerned. I live in the area and it can be totally black if it’s a moonless night. There is no way in the world, on a cold dark night, any sane woman would go off walking – the streets are so dark and there is a lot of wildlife … and we had just had a snap of cold on those days that Allison went missing.
Over to you BR :)
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder involves arrogant behaviour, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration-all of which must be consistently evident at work and in relationships. People who are Narcissistic are frequently described as cocky, self centred, manipulative and demanding with high self-esteem. And that’s GBC.
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Hi folks, I read a comment on a website named websleuths.com, I don’t know if what this person said is true, but I’ll tell you anyway. This person said at 4am in the morning they had just finished having a party at a friends place and were going home when they drove past the Kholo Creek bridge and they saw a man and a 4wd with this description, he had blonde hair, blue shirt, long pants, a tattoo on his right arm, about 5’11, was quite muscular and looked like a thug and got out of the gold 4wd with a mad look on his face and was not GBC.
What do you guys think.
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I bet Cinderella, Pinocchio & Tinkerbell the fairy there too?
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LOL! And a big, bad, bogeyman… maybe it was him! That’s reasonable doubt, yeah?
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sounds like a load of BS, planted by a person with some motive. What do they have to say about telling LE this?
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I agree with you JK. The person who wrote that comment on websleuths.com was trying to fool everyone and the police. But if there is any truth in that, it was GBC in a clever disguise with a fake tattoo.
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Early in the investigation witnesses came forward who had seen 2 4WD’s on the bridge (I think, maybe just near the bridge) in the early hours of the 20th. As I haven’t heard that come up in court I presume that it was discounted as being relevant to the case.
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I bet someone will say it was GBC in a clever disguise just after he sprayed the Captiva gold….and then back again. ;-)
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The seniors little Suzuki 4wd is/was gold
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I wrote about this comment everyone because it sounds like BS. And it is.
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legal argument is continuing between the prosecution and defence counsels.
The jury is not yet present.
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Looks like the defense successfully blocked the blog!
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Seriously ace2 ?
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I’m sure Fuller has been given an extra power to perform his duties today being Allison’s birthday. You could almost weigh it in the use of his words. I was more than impressed. As I’m sure all Allison supporters in courtroom were. I’m so glad for LJC as she was feeling low these past 36 hours. Would love to witness the look on her face; God bless her :)
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Back in action, Fuller limbering up again!
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Remember these tweets are fully live, re-tweet, or go to timeline, follow the author etc
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Thank you Robbo for all your good work and this amazing place to gather thoughts not to mention many amazing contributors Thank you All : ). Such incredible suspense now
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Itskareny, thankyou, it is the community of folks who come, read and contribute that make it a great place to be, glad to have you aboard. Cheers (getting serious now yes!)
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Robbo, they haven’t continued with the blog questions…..there must be a reason…
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Not a problem, they may be chasing up server logs or something to show when and where it was written, lots of reasons. They will come back to it if they need it.
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As NBC sit’s there in the dock watching his son, here’s what he might be thinking, ‘Son, don’t whatever you do tell them I helped dump the body!
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haha, you out of the family, no son of mine, I want all my money back too!!!
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—- Fuller says Toni McHugh had nothing to do with Allison’s disappearance. Gerard: I don’t know. I presume not. —-
What are you insinuating Colonel Mustard ? It was Volatile Toni with the candlestick in the kitchen ?
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Robbo, check my email.
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ahhh, just read your message…..:)
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mmm I just send said blog entry for a coffee until I can check this out
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Ouch
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I’m following Kate Kyriacou’s tweets – it appears (from the tweets) that Fuller asks a question and the ‘tweeted’ answer from GBD is an evasion of the question…is that what is happening in court, or is Fuller not letting GBD evade the direct question but that’s not being tweeted?
Eg: KKtweet – “Fuller asks whether Gerard saw Allison’s pajama’s anywhere when he woke up. Gerard says they’re not in the photo. ”
Gerard didn’t answer the question. He spoke of what is seen in the photo – not if HE SAW her pajama’s when he woke up.
And then it moves on to next question……is GBC getting away with not answering the direct questions or what?
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So right. GBC has selective deafness, selective eyesight, selective partners, , pun intended.(private and business) All selected to cover his lying cheating, conniving, pathetic wife-killing arse
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I’m following the same Tweets, too, Applejack, and noticed the same thing. He’s evaded questions pretty much all afternoon. I think Fuller is deliberately letting him do this in order to trip him up later. Laying the foundations…..
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I hope so. I watched the Jodie Arias trial and she was the same – not answering the questions..but that Prosecutor didn’t let her get away with any of that. He made her answer it directly and own her ‘lies’.
It’s hard to gage by the tweets – because they also are written as Fuller making statements – not asking questions.
Sorry, just grumbling that I can’t hear it all.
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I know how you feel. It gets confusing on the Tweets at times. Grumbling from me, too! Lol
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Ok lets go to the marks on your face shall we!
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If I was a juror in GBC’s trial, I would listen to the evidence first before making any judgement and then after I hear all the evidence and him taking the stand and being cross examined by the persecution, my verdict would be GUILTY.
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Kate Kyriacou [email protected]
Fuller says Toni McHugh had nothing to do with Allison’s disappearance. Gerard: I don’t know. I presume not. #badenclay
Well if that’s not pass the hot potato, I don’t know what is…
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Testing
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