GBC Trial Day 19.5 (the weekend)


Something to get the chat going for the weekend

 

Baden-Clay murder trial: Large crowds in court evidence of a healthy legal system, top barrister says

11/07/14

Gerard Baden-Clay

The murder trial of Gerard Baden-Clay has seen a ticketing system introduced to prevent overcrowding

The high level of public interest in the Gerard Baden-Clay trial is nothing out of the ordinary, and in fact makes for a healthy legal system, a top barrister says.

The former real estate agent’s murder trial attracted crowds to the Brisbane Supreme Court, with extra courtrooms opened for people who queued day after day to gain entry, and a ticketing system introduced to prevent overcrowding.

The Department of Justice and Attorney-General says these special arrangements for large-scale trials are made to ensure openness and transparency in the justice system.

This transparency is key to keeping Australia’s legal apparatus – everyone from police to barristers and judges – held to account, says Ken Fleming, QC.

Mr Fleming was the defence barrister for former Bundaberg surgeon Jayant Patel and has worked as a United Nations prosecutor on international war crimes trials.

“Everyone should be held accountable for what they’re doing, and the open scrutiny of it is a very important thing,” he said.

“You just can’t have things going on behind closed doors, because that engenders fear of the unknown.”

Mr Fleming says the “whole delivery of justice” depends on high levels of public interest, because people can see and understand the process.

Seeing mystery unravel part of appeal, barrister says

The courts are not, however, in danger of turning into another form of entertainment – rather, they always have been.

“You only have to think about the French Revolution and the guillotining in the forecourt of the Notre Dame,” Mr Fleming said.

Although some people may attend just to see a mystery unravel, he believes many also have a genuine interest in watching the ins and outs of the legal process.

There might be some prurient interest as well, but I think that’s not the major reason people are there.

Ken Fleming, QC

“You only have to look at some of the British television programs to see how we love a good murder mystery,” he said.

“There might be some prurient interest as well, but I think that’s not the major reason people are there.

“They just have a genuine interest in what’s going on.”

Glen Cranny, a defence lawyer and partner at Gilshenan and Luton Lawyers, also believes a high level of public interest is healthy for the criminal justice system generally.

“People might come for any number of reasons, and some might come for mawkish reasons,” he said.

“Nevertheless, I think the benefits of having an open and transparent system … far outweigh any perverse interest some people may get out of such proceedings.”

Public pressure witnesses face may discourage some: lawyer

Publicity and public interest in a case can also encourage other complainants or witnesses to come forward and give evidence, where they may have otherwise been unaware or not confident enough.

Rolf Harris‘s case in England, for example, involved people who were coming forward as complainants once they, I think, had the courage that there were protections and systems in place for their story to be told,” Mr Cranny said.

But this benefit has a flip-side: that very publicity could make people apprehensive about revealing their story.

“I think there is a tipping point where some people might think they could do without their face or name being splashed on TV as a witness, or as a complainant,” Mr Cranny said.

“They would be happy to be involved in the process in a low-key way, but don’t want to be engaged … in anything that might in some way feel like a circus to them.”

Reputational issues should also be factored in, especially when a person’s conduct, while lawful, may not hold them in a good light.

“We’ve seen in a recent high-profile case … a lot of focus on extra-marital affairs and so on,” Mr Cranny said.

“There are people who are involved in those relationships, who haven’t broken the law, but have become very prominent just through their personal lives.”

Mr Fleming says that while public interest could make some people “a bit reluctant”, he had not seen any evidence of public attendance impacting on witnesses.

“It is on display and in a sense it’s theatre,” he said.

“But once people are resigned to the fact that they will be giving evidence, I don’t think too much stands in their way.”

Opening additional courtrooms and keeping the public away from “where the action is happening” also means witnesses are only faced with a very small and confined audience in the main court, Mr Fleming said.

All previous threads and history including trial can be found clicking on link below http://aussiecriminals.com.au/category/gerard-baden-clay/

List of Trial Witnesses as they appear here

ANY EVIDENCE LIKE PHOTOS, VIDEO OR DOCUMENTS THE COURT RELEASES TO THE PUBLIC WILL BE PUBLISHED in the GBC Documents Page

Brisbane Supreme Court Justice John Byrne has asked a jury to retire to consider a verdict in the trial of Gerard Baden-Clay.

497 thoughts on “GBC Trial Day 19.5 (the weekend)

  1. As far as I am concerned, the system has gone easy on Baden-Clay from the outset. Why?
    They have painted him as being not the murdererd, and innocent. This is very different as to how they treat others …
    It is wrong to say the least.
    Nor is the Baden-Clay case ‘circumstantial’ as is being said. There is evidence. Solid evidence. The leaves and the location there-of, the blood in the car isn’t from fishing, and the scratches on his face are definitely NAIL marks. Razors make one type of cut and nails another.
    They are making fools out of us and treating us the public as idiots.
    It’s as though they are going to let him off or to appease the public, find him guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter. If Baden-Clay can be found guilty of manslaughter it will be bull.
    If he walks we will have evidence that we can never again trust lawyers and or judges in Qld.
    The obvious is the obvious and Baden-Clay is laughing. What he doesn’t know is that one day his public persona and act will fall.
    He won’t be the first murderer to walk in Qld.

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    • Hi Concerned, that is interesting, I say that because it is a shifting legal world we live in.

      In fact I’m expecting BIG changes in LAW federally and state by state.We are too different.It should NOT matter which state you commit a crime in and what sentence you get. There should not be different defences for the same crimes in each state.

      You also have the actual sentencing irregularities, Parole laws and even Jail conditions and so called Rights of prisoners, like smoking in some states.Whinging about price of smokes, and wanting bigger bloody TV’s, the pool warmer???!!!!

      It is not holiday camp, these criminals live better than law abiding pensioners, but hey, a can of worms I know!

      Robbo

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    • Concerned, I can hear in your ‘voice’ how beyond angry you’re feeling – which is your right to feel and express

      If GBC does laugh in our faces, it’s the Newman government who’ll pay the price, very probably. And at a guess, I’d say Newman knows that. If he doesn’t, he’s due for a painful lesson. People have not forgotten that GBC was a Newman supporter. There was talk early on in this case that GBC had donated to LNP campaign (an investment GBC believed was going to assist him change careers yet again, from failed real-estate agent to local MP). Nor has the public forgotten that in the days after Allison was pronounced missing, various LNP drones rocked up to Skull Manor to offer their sympathies and support. Where are they now?

      It will not go down well if GBC gets not guilty or manslaughter. Doesn’t matter how many slick little sound-bites are published claiming intense public interest in this case is illustrative of a healthy legal system and buzz words such as ‘transparency’, etc. If GBC gets away with it or gets off lightly, the punishment will follow in a variety of ways and will be felt by more than GBC

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    • I’ve had queries in that direction too Concerned … with evidence not presented before the court … judges possible unclear statement to jurors which may confuse them etc …

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          • Ok, this is from a legal dictionary: Voir Dire: * “to see to speak,” the questioning of prospective jurors by a judge and attorneys in court*

            Arthritis on the brain again tonight, because I’m going to have to ask you, Concerned, what you mean when you ask why the questioning of prospective jurors by a judge and attorneys in court ?

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          • A Voir Dire is they select the jury then dismiss them for the day. it’s like a mini trial questioning some witnesses to test their credibility. the Judge can exclude all or some of their testimony. judges can see thru liars.when the jury comes back in next day they are told what went on in their absence is non of their concern. If a witness is proven a liar he will usually adjourned to see what the DDP wants to do. proceed or declare a nulli persue meaning case dropped insuficiant evidence.

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            • wrong word I used there, not dropped completely it can be bought back on again in the future if more evidence comes to light. no point proceeding if not a hope of a conviction, .because if it goes ahead and not guilty verdict the case is lost forever.

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  2. Just an aside….

    I had to travel about 400k’s today (in Qld) and had the ABC on the radio for the entire trip, which meant that I got the news every hour. I was away for about 6 hours all up.

    Anyhoo……Not a mention of the Trial or …”jury still out” etc.

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  3. People are patiently waiting to learn if charges will be laid against the ‘two or more’ individuals mentioned by police after Allison’s remains were discovered

    It’s being claimed as a ‘cert’ online that charges against GBC for improperly dealing with a corpse have been dropped

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  4. Lets us all hope, that the only brains in this court house of legal eagles and silks , is the public jury. And see though all the legal charades and legal arguments to make Gerald Baden Clay look not guilty and the victim and innocent of murder, but possibly be found guilty of accidental murder or manslaughter or what -ever!…….. I suspect the jury will come to their own conclusion, and see Gerald Baden Clay as the fake, he really is!…….It was looking a bit touch and go with Rolf Harris, walking for a while, but justice by the jury, still decided he was guilty, after the jury was out for such a long time!…….. Hears hoping the words ”Guilty of Murder”. will finally ring in the packed out Court Room, for the sake of Alison and The Dickie Family!………….May that statue of the scales of justice, outside the court house, mean just that for once!………………………….GUILTY!…..

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  5. What intrigues me, and yes, it does intrigue me, is how someone could get up each day for ten days and eat their breakfast, shower, apply deodorant, lace up their shoes, retrieve their clothing for the day from the wardrobe they shared with their wife for 15 years, drink from the same cups and eat from the same plates they shared for years with their dead wife — and stay sane, knowing all the way through that their wife’s body is lying under a bridge in the mud and exposed to flies, vermin, crabs, leeches, worms and the elements

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    • BB. That’s easy.
      It’s because he is a narcissist.
      Simple. To them people are tools / possessions with no feelings or emotions.

      You are not like him.. so you can’t understand.

      I was abused by one for 10 years and I lived… poor Allison did not.

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      • The N in my life has done terrible things to me….none if which I could love with had I done them to someone else. To him I’m nothing….much like Allyson was to gbc.

        It’s nothing normal folk can comprehend.

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        • Pinkshoes, it’s disturbing isn’t it, because it means that although we all look alike, some are predators and the rest are prey and most of the predators keep on doing what they do – they don’t learn and we can’t change them. It’s really disturbing because although there are lists of characteristics to be aware of, some things on the list could apply to all of us and none of the predators exhibit all of them

          I posted a cut and paste a few days ago and at the end it said that the predators pass for not only normal, but as very nice individuals

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          • typical wife abuser is a street angel house devil, the best bloke around to all except to the woman he is married to, thats why they get away with it for so long.
            gbc cared for no no one but himself and he is still lieing to protect himself, he doesnt give a rats that his kids have lost their mum or even that toni mch has been hung out to dry very publicly during the court case.
            and cares even less for abc

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    • I think the same BB! That’s one of the questions that I go over and over in my mind. How in the name of actual you-know-what does someone do that? You’d have to be dead inside? Cold, unfeeling… Just emotionless. I can’t get my head around it. The whole concept is just too big, too inconceivable :(

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      • It is, LCJ. I still have our little dog’s harness in my wardrobe. It’s beaten up and scraggy. And although I loved him to bits and took ages getting over his death, it’s still hard seeing his harness. I look at it, think of him, then tuck it down behind my handbags again, because it’s still too painful. I miss him too much. And he died in 1994. I knew an old man who had the ashes of all his pets on his mantelpiece – he was sick and in pain but he used to cheer up when saying they were all going to be buried with him. It made him feel better knowing they’d be with him in his casket, all together again. So this is my yardstick when trying to work GBC out. During the time between Allison’s disappearance and discovery of her remains, GBC would have still been showering with the same piece of soap she used ! Her scent would have been in the bedroom, in the wardrobe, in the bed, in the laundry basket he was filmed carrying. He would have been putting in his mouth forks she’d used. And the girls. We can hold ourselves together sometimes, but when kids look at us with those trusting little faces or we hear their voices as he would, asking, ‘Dad, where’s Mum? Where’s she gone? Is she coming back soon? I need her to help me with my assignment”. Or, ‘I want to show her the sticker teacher put on the thing I made because it was the best in the class” — that’s the sort of thing that would crack the shell of the toughest person

        When I saw him crying at Allison’s funeral, I didn’t know what to think. Was he pretending? But then, he was no good at pretending when he and OW spoke with the media. So did he really feel sorry at the funeral, I wondered. Was he finally realizing what he’d done or even what he’d lost? Or had his legal team told him to really turn it on because he was in trouble? I still don’t know

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          • Millie, what photographers captured (whether or not they meant to) at the funeral was the little girls and the way they held themselves. It was heartbreaking to see them, but despite their fear and unimaginable sense of loss, the two eldest didn’t hold onto GBC. Did you notice? They held their own hands, if you know what I mean. Or they wrapped their arms around themselves, even though GBC was inches from them. Most children under those circumstances would have buried themselves in their father for comfort. But they didn’t. It spoke volumes. Very sad. As if they knew. But then there are photos of them holding hands with Allison’s parents. So not as if the girls didn’t want comfort. They just didn’t want it from him

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            • That is something that has haunted me from day one BB. It was like GBC had to try and gather the girls to him to put up the facade of devastation. The girls were their own consolation with their Grandmother – Allison’s mother.

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            • Maybe the sight of the girls finally forced some sadness out of him? Or maybe he was blubbering for himself, knowing his plans hadn’t worked and now he was in trouble? Or maybe having a captive audience helped him play the role of grieving spouse?

              Tell you what — I would like to see his reaction if he is found guilty. I dont’ want to see him if he’s found innocent because we’ve already seen that face. But I’d like to see if he displays any emotion if he’s told he’ll spend the next 20 years in a prison. That will be the test of whatever genuine emotions he might have

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                • LJC, I can’t. Can’t imagine his face if he’s found guilty. He’s such a pie face. But I’d like everyone to see what Allison must have seen when he was killing her. Want the pie face mask to drop and the truth to be seen. TM needs to see it too

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                    • LJC, does he — seem confident? Don’t like the sound of that. From the photos, OW and ABC appear confident too

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                    • I shouldn’t say confident… Maybe stoic is a better word? Like none of this fazes him and he’s bearing the brunt of completely trumped up charges. He’s the victim but he’ll ride this out and the truth shall be known (shouted out in a preacher’s tone)…

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                • LJC, I’ve only had a bit of Bailey’s — a tiny sherry glass. Can’t drink, so know I’m writing rubbish. But I want him to go to prison. I do. For the good of everyone.. Justice needs to be seen to be effected. And it sounds nasty, but would like to see his face when he realizes none of his BS worked. That’s if he’s found guilty, which I believe he is

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                  • So would I, BB. So would I. In addition to being the greatest possible justice for Allison, her family and her daughters, I think it would be a great weight off the shoulders of all women who have suffered at the hands of someone like him. Just to know that for once, the world didn’t swallow what those types of people churn out…

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      • I too have wondered the same. HOW does a person do this? How can a person coldly dispose of another person, their wife and mother of their children? Took her out like she was trash. I think that is what I find really intriguing about this case, besides feeling compassion for Allison and her family. All the discussion about narcissism has really helped to understand, however for ‘normal’ people it is still so difficult, so chilling, to grasp. The way he just got rid of her, ended her life, like she was nothing and meant nothing, and in his mind I think she really didn’t mean anything. She meant nothing to him anymore, except a quick get-rich scheme (her life insurance). And, I really think he planned to kill her. It was no accidental, heat of the moment attack. He smothered her in her sleep, no question. Cowardly SOB.

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        • Completely agree Rach33… And he felt the same for TMcH and M.H and J.C and anyone else he had affairs with over the years. People are pawns and games to narcissists. It’s the scariest thing to witness once you know it’s happening because the manipulation is smooth as custard and incredibly destructive. The only thing that meant anything was money and status and public image. That’s why I believe he should never again have access to his children. Watching him on the stand made my skin crawl and the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

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  6. No way that the face booker is a juror. No-one could be so stupid. Does anyone have the exact discussion between the jurors and the judge today? From what I heard a juror wanted the direction repeated around what use could be made of GBC’s lies. That must mean that at least 1 juror thinks he lied. Phew. Just another 11 to go.

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  7. He has no emotions or feelings or empathy for anyone other than his fantastic self..

    A few times I have thought to myself how can this father tell his kids he loves them (and announce never leave them harm them etc etc) but night after night also went out on sneaky catch-ups with Toni and others for sex etc, and come home at night and kiss those little girls goodnight, or on the head at night when who knows where those filthy lips of his have been. Utter disgusting grub of a coward

    “Oh I’m a good dad”, yeah dream on you murdering adulterer

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    • Robbo, if this post of yours happened to be published in for example a woman’s magazine, their switchboard would melt and there would be thousands of letters to the editor, saying This person, whom I do not know, has said the very words I’ve said to myself and to my friends and to my philandering husband. This Robbo KNOWS — knows what every woman has struggled to understand. And by the same token, although men would be far less inclined to contact the same magazine, men who’ve been cheated-on by the mother of their children would say, if only to themselves, Yes. This is what’s eaten away at me. How could she? How could she crawl out of bed with him and come home and with that same mouth kiss my kids?

      And to take it further, if we cast our minds back, we remember the photos in the media of GBC leaning over those little girls as they drew as pretty a picture as they knew how, for Allison for Mother’s Day. I couldn’t look at the tv after the first glance, because all the family were around and I didn’t want any of them to see me crying. I bit my lip and kept on with what I was doing. Later, I sneaked a look at the same photos online and saw that the poor little things had put messages for their missing mum in the petals of the flowers they drew. And all along, their mum was dead under a bridge. While ‘loving father struggling to stay happy for the sake of his daughters’ posed with his fake face for the cameras above the innocence of those already mother-less girls.

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      • It`s a sham.
        The jury has been subject to subtle persuasion,so much so, it is almost subliminal.
        Combine that with thr false representation of GBC and what do you get? An open door to freedom .
        It seems character references are more important than facts. The fact is an innocent woman is dead. He bears all the marks and she didnot kill herself.
        The circus around GBC is nauseating.
        My bet is those “helping” him have alterior motives and his guilt is secondary. They certainly have painted him as an ideal male and husband and he is not. There are others like him who would do ANYTHING to save the skin. No conscience.
        This is a well planned and structured murder.
        I can see him putting the pieces together. Even how he told the kids their mother had gone for a walk.
        This poor woman.

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  8. Yes, Burleigh Beach, I have watched that first public fake appearance by Gerald and sister, , several times from his first staged sob story. First time I had seen this. And it has totally made up my mind beyond all reasonable doubt, that he and maybe even someone else was involved in the foul play of Allison going missing, and not for days later being found deceased under Kholo Bridge!…. its just the way he talks, that is so fake, and that crap that his sister backs him up with.. All lies!…. So even without the suspicious so called shaving cuts on his, face, his very fake, emotional persona makes him look guilty!…………Its just as well we hear at Aussie Criminals are not on the 12- jury panel, I reckon, because nothing his top silk defence team, has said made me think otherwise, that he could be innocent!……..It must be so dam hard for the Dickie Family, to listen to all the Criminal Defence garbage, trying to get him off murder, and make it look at the worst like manslaughter. This heartless psychopath Gerald Baden Clay, is void of any conscience, otherwise, the prosecution could of made him breakdown in court and confess. He is one hard tough nut to crack. Only fake crocodile tears from Gerald!……..Yes his court appearance is that of a real estate or used car salesman, but he doesn’t sell, his innocence me!………If he really was innocent of his wifes murder, then he would of genuinely of shown from the start, that he was traumatised and grief stricken. Him and his whole close knit religious family show none of these genuine broken down, upset traits, at the loss of losing a loved one or someone close to them! I Looked with emotional tears at during and after the trials of poor innocent victims – Daniel Morcombes Mother and father and Jill Meaghers husband Tom Meagher and his whole family when they through a dove into the air after Adrian Earnest Bayley was found guilty of Rape- Murder !…. That was a very touching thing to watch, and brought real tears to very hard shell like people. But in regards to this pantomime trial, the only sad thing about it is the loss of innocent llison to her mother and father the Dickies!……….And this is why, I personally think the whole Baden Clay families and friend are all in denial, of what true crime here has really happened. They all seem to be able to live with it, with their heads all held high, in the belief of Gerald Baden Clays innocence of Murder1………

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    • Pentridge Police Officer, I agree. The measure of his belief in his power to use and exploit is evidenced in his taking money from people – his belief people will give him what he wants. I would starve before I’d ask my friends for money, let alone $90,000, $400,000, and most people are the same. You wouldn’t be able to push the words out of your mouth. You wouldn’t put people in that position or embarrass them. But he did, repeatedly

      To me, there’s something wrong with him – he has vital parts missing. Allison was a smart woman, yet he conned her. He conned his friends into giving him unsecured loans which means, to most people, a ‘gift’ posing as a loan. And when refused by Flegg, it didn’t deter him. He continued pestering Flegg and in court, didn’t he say, ‘ I knew he (Flegg) had it ‘ — as if the fact someone had something he wanted meant they should give it to him. I’ve noticed this in people I’ve known – this greed

      He cried when speaking to Flegg’s PA. In court he tried to cover it up with self-serving, self-pitying nonsense. But the fact was, he used tears to try to manipulate Flegg’s PA into getting the money for him. He has an act for everyone and every occasion

      We sit here and we can see through him. But it must be different in real-life. It doesn’t make sense that all those he knew were stupid. They couldn’t have been. Yet he made idiots out of them. After a lifetime of successfully manipulating those around him, he must have believed he was invincible and capable of not only perpetrating the perfect murder, but also of using that as a step-ladder to success. He probably envisaged Women’s Weekly running double page artcles about him – ” Baden Clay Mr Mom Two Years On” complete with photos of him cooking the girls’ dinner, taking them to ballet, fulfilling the role of MP and participating in Scout jamborees. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’d expected tens of thousands of dollars to pour in. And I can just imagine him saying in that Peter Pan voice of his that he thought of Allison every day and hoped she’d be happy with how he was raising the girls

      In my opinion, his family couldn’t fail to know what he was really like — years ago. It would be impossible not to know

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    • Pentridge Police Officer, the Daniel Morcombe case has made a scar on people’s minds, in most cases. I can watch a bit of Mr. Morcombe, but the minute I see Mrs. Morcomble my throat feels as if I’m choking. She’s heartbreaking. You can see she runs on sheer will and strength of character. It’s painful just to see and hear her. She’s in such agony and it can never end. If ever there was a reason to exterminate someone, it’s the sub-human Cohen aka Cowan. Yet there were those who delayed and tampered with the investigation, knowing what he’d done and done repeatedly in the past. Sometimes I think we’re already living in Hell

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      • His demeanor is different to GBC though. Mr.M seems unable to express what he feels where Mrs.M is quite fragile, and that’s fine. GBC doesn’t seem like he’s unable to express what he feels, he’s just plan ole faking his concerned husband act.

        The M family don’t appear like they’re faking or acting, some people just don’t know how to express how they feel, which is fine..

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  9. My take on where the jury is at (given their request for further directions on manslaughter) is that there is a split between those who go for murder and those who favour manslaughter..
    Whilst I believe ,based on the evidence, that he intentionally killed Alison, there may still be room for reasonable doubt in some minds that the death was intentional.

    This is because the cause of death is unknown-suffocation most likely(in which case the killing would have to be intentional -because you can’t accidentally smother someone with a pillow.or accidentally suffocate them with a plastic bag)

    But the possibility of some other unknown unintentional cause (in the sense that GBC might not have intended grievous bodily harm ) can’t be entirely ruled out .

    I am sure the jury will discount suicide ,,intervention by a third party ,,or some other accidental cause not involving GBC.

    His actions after Alison disappeared could be consistent with either an intentional or an unintentional killing.

    The scratches suggest a final life or death struggle,,but could have occurred earlier than the final act.

    I doubt a juror would be stupid enough to post on facebook, after the lectures given by the judge,,but suggest the post and related posts be removed.

    We don’t want to give the BC’s any ammunition at all to use in an appeal and I have no doubt he will appeal whether the result is murder or manslaughter..

    Despite GBC’s previous links with the LNP,,this government knows he is poison and knows the public mood on him and the Clan ,and will be hoping for a murder verdict and a long sentence.

    I suspect the Clan (OBW in particular) has been heavily involved in running his defence,,( to GBC’s detriment-),-the Kholo Creek photos put together by the contact from the Townsville church were worse than useless and the evidence from that dubious toxicologist from the States probably helped the prosecution.

    I suspect he was the “client from hell”as far as his legal team were concerned.

    So lets hang in there and see what Monday brings.

    ( by the way , whats with the “Baden -Walton”- a show of defiance ?

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  10. I like that Peter pan voice, very good Burleigh Beach, and he is as cunning as Captain Hook a real greedy pirate and made poor innocent Alison walk the plank. He is really a cobra snake and I think that he is a lot like notorious murderers Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy. Both were very intelligent criminals, long before they were eventually caught by police, and murdered so many victims. Im not saying Gerald Baden Clay could be a serial killer, but he still has the same capacity in him to do a cold blooded murder, and have no remorse about it, and think he was the victim and is innocent!……. both Ted Bundy and Wayne Gacy could kill and mass murder with no feeling or conscience , no matter how many victims they killed, they pleaded at their long high profile court trials that they were innocent, to the very end. even though they were on death row, some one else did it, not them!………….. And Ted Bundy only showed signs of any remorse at all of his horrible crimes of mutilation and rape and mass murder, when he was interviewed hours before his execution. Before that he was very outspoken and scary in court, protesting his innocence, yelling at the judge with constant outbursts. Same with Wayne Gacy, cool as a cucumber at maintaining his innocence. Same with Adrian Earnest Bayley cunningly ,pleaded not guilty, until he realised pleading guilty would give him a lesser- reduced minimum sentence of 35 years!………… Gerald Baden Clay, if found guilty of murder, should be a good unique case study, for all homicide detectives, on how a murderer like him, can believe his own bullshit of innocence of committing a cold blooded murder. And even convince his top experienced defence criminal lawyers, he is innocent!….. His greed and his adultery of unfaithfulness, and affairs for sex and his Im Mr popular, and related to Lord Baden Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts- and slimy salesman abilities and his belief in his own influence and power control he seems to have over people, with people believing in him. He seems to even have the Prison Officers believing in him, maybe Im wrong there, but, it is very possible. His charming polite demeaner seems to keep him well protected in jail!………………

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    • Police Officer, you much more familiar with crime than I because of your profession. I can’t even remember properly as to how I became so involved in the Baden Clay case and through that, I heard about Adrian Bayley here on Aussie Crims

      You’ve mentioned something I hadn’t thought of — the fact this case will be an education to police officers. I’m still very impressed with the first police to arrive at the Baden Clay home and the way they caught on straight away, which is what resulted in the homicide officers arriving. That led to GBC running to solicitors. He’d probably believed that everything he said to the police would be accepted automatically. He had his famous name and position in the community working for him, in his mind. And having three little girls was something he would have considered guaranteed him sympathy. He had the ‘sympathy’ angle in mind and couldn’t resist using it with the media. Only problem being, he has to be one of the worst actors any of us have ever seen. To top it off, his sister stood there telegraphing guilt and fear from every pore in my opinion. They were both so weird in that interview – absolutely radiated guilt and falseness

      Thank goodness for the scratches on his face. Not on his back – on his face for everyone to see. He must have been furious Allison had done that to him. They must all have been furious as illustrated by the fact even two years later, NBC and OW couldn’t resist having digs at her in court. And GBC told his daughters (according to OW) that Allison had fallen down a hole and would not be back. That was anger, rage. You don’t say that to children, not if you have even half a brain. But he did. And oddly enough, what he said ended up being quite close to the way Allison was found. That bit about falling down a hole and wouldn’t be back wasn’t heard by the jury, which I believe was a great pity, because it would have helped them arrive at a just verdict. It would have given the jury insight into what GBC is really like and the total lack of feeling he was demonstrating that morning of the 20th — lack of feeling for Allison and his children. He was furious. Allison had scratched him. He knew it had blown his cover. And there was nothing he could do to cover those scratches that wouldn’t have made them appear even more suspicious

      From what you and others have said, I’m beginning to re-think GBC. Most of the time I’ve regarded him as a bit of an idiot. And he looks like one. The things he said and wrote to TM make him sound ridiculous to the point you almost laugh. But you’re right. He’s as cunning as Captain Hook. He nearly pulled it off and we’re not through yet. He still might. Just one miscalculation — the unforeseen scratches – without which he could have gotten away with it. Which stinks of premeditation now, even though I didn’t think he had the concentration to conduct a premeditated murder. You’re right. He’s as game as Ned Kelly, isn’t he? Almost everyone knows the spouse is automatically a suspect unless they have a fire-proof alibi. But he risked it with such a weak alibi. It’s surprising he’s not a mad gambler if he’s prepared to take risks like that

      As to potential to become a serial killer, don’t worry, you’re not the only one who’s given that some thought. Other’s online have said that if he could so coldly kill and dispose with his wife, it’s a short step to killing others, even other family members. Hope they’ve all removed him from their Will and insurance

      Fate just gave him that fat, impassive face and regular features. It’s the perfect mask and cover for the improbable things that come out of it. People don’t expect killers to look like that. They expect the inner ugliness to show on the outside. That’s what fools people. But it’s difficult to shake the belief he’s a semi-idiot when you think of the nonsense he spouted to TM … ‘I will be yours — I love you GG — It’s agony’ — :-) —- he missed his calling writing penny-dreadfuls. Or maybe he read too many. I still think he’d probably love to swan around at home in frilly knickers. No kind of man at all

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      • Hi BB

        I have spoken to a few friends who are either currently active police officers or detectives or were previously. All of them have said, without too much prompting, that the first responding officer knew GBC ‘was good for it’. It is just something they inherently feel after being on the job for a period of time.

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        • Which in turn is why they drove the investigation down a particular path.

          If the first Responder had that opinion more or less straight up the attitude and questioning from him would be a very good reason for GBC to ring that Lawyer and say nothing. From that account they weren’t looking for a Missing Person, they were looking at GBC for an arrest.

          Which of course begs the question did they look at any other paths or just concentrate on the main game plan?

          You could well imagine that if a Junior Officer suggested something different than what was up on the Whiteboard, he or she would probably get the job of making enquiries about the caterpillars in the area for the duration of the investigation.

          “Rocking the boat” is never a good pastime if you’re looking for a spot with the ‘A’ Crew.

          That’s not saying the first Responder didn’t do a good job….perhaps just a bit blinkered to all possibilities?

          Even the Indooroopilly CIB would have their Resumes full of ‘Shoppies’ from Westfield…..they wouldn’t have too many Murders…..if any.

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        • Niquenoze, does this then mean they inherently believe it was planned and carried out? Given that evidence of him being ‘good for it’ is only ‘circumstantial’, does that indicate a level of pre-planning and not so much an ‘accident’?? Would be interesting to know your friends’ feedback on that too! :)

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    • hmmm I heard a rumour once that he was spending a lot of time touching himself. That he persisted even when a correctional officer came in. Just a rumour….

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  11. Yes, Burleigh Beach, Its hard not to really break down watching Mrs Morcombes heart ache.
    Your so right , it is Hell on earth, with the horrible crimes being committed on a daily basis in ussie at the moment, Never a day goes by, that their is so much blood thirsty violence on some innocent victim. And I think unfortunately, with some of the creatures, that are getting released after their in too short terms of imprisonment in todays, weak jails, there is going to be a big increase in violent crime and college of knowledge to them when there all bored and locked up together, and more so when all the hardcore deviates are held together in protection jail!…………… Prison inmates, don’t fear the police or anything jail any more, infact it has never been such a university of crime for them. The hardened crims go back to jail, and it is just a reunion with their other jail mates inside, and planning their next crime, for when they get back outside again, and better their violent reputations on their next innocent victim!… Tonite in country Victoria a police Officer was intentionally stabbed in the leg by a female criminal. No respect or fear of the police. So what hope would a ordinary citizen have, if crims fearlessly stab Police Officers! And .can you believe that Adrian Earnest Bayley actually has supporters and other hardcore crims that like him, even though what he has now done. some of the crims reckon, he had a blue with his misses and then went out in his hoodie looking for a posh woman to have sex with. But he because Jill Meagher, put up a fight with him and abused him and rejected his advances on her in the street, he went into a rage, and did what he does best, violent rape of vunerable woman and taught her a lesson by raping her most violently and murdering her. Some crims have said he give it to her good as he is hung like a black man!….If this is true, and with Adrian Bayleys violent sex offending record, it most likely is true!.. Then this is so horrible how these crims realy think, but that’s why they are like the are. They are very bad twisted humans. That do the most sick things to another human being!………… How can scumbags like this ever be rehabilitated, but the authorities and parole board, think they can and are, and just set them loose again, to hunt and stalk another victim. It is so wrong, but that’s our failing prisons and justice system, time and time again……And the crims are getting more and more human rights to protect them!….That’s why that piece of shit Cowan has been active has he has been for so long. He should have been in Maximum Security Jail, many years ago. Then Daniel Morcombe would still be alive. ..Same with Adrian Bayley and Peter Dupas, the compassionate prison system failed all their victims!……………….Cheers!……………

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    • I’d say that the ‘system’ isn’t bad, it’s more how the system runs.

      e.g. I’d imagine that BAYLEY, DUPAS and those relatively few that go on to become repeat serious offenders (leaving out addicted druggies and alcoholics going in and out of Prison) would have had to have their Application for Parole go before the Adult Parole Board…..who would have had their complete Prison file in front of them.

      The Adult Parole Board would look at their history….outside.

      Then look at their history….inside.

      Then make other considerations like where are they going to live, who’s going to ‘Support’ them etc etc.

      If BAYLEY had significant ‘history’ outside (which he has) and significant ‘history’ inside it is bizarre that he’d get Parole.

      The only thing I can put his successful App for Parole down to is that his ‘inside’ history didn’t reflect anything serious and may even have been a positive report….. which is most likely to get his Parole with his outside history?

      Which leaves the very real chance that those tasked with looking after him ‘inside’ either didn’t see him involved in anything or perhaps just didn’t do their job?

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  12. Police Officer, to balance it in my mind and put the world to rights if only in my imagination, I sometimes envisage dropping bombs on prisons. It’s not as if we don’t have enough people in the world. If we were the animal kingdom, we’d rid ourselves of the problems in our midst, permanently. We’ve lost our way – been led from common sense. I have my theories as to why but this isn’t the place. When communities were smaller, they were self-policing. They had to be. In our crazy society these days, those with no experience of the ugly side of life like to sow guilt in the minds of others by telling them criminality is the result of hardship and abuse. They claim we need to spend a fortune understanding and rehabilitating criminals, as if that’s all it will take. Yet researchers in the UK spent 20 years trying to prove the effectiveness of rehabilitation only to end up having to admit that rehabilitation does not work. Those researchers were forced to admit that there exists only one form of rehabilitation — and that is fear on the part of the criminal that HE will suffer from his actions. Shame people aren’t aware of that exhaustive research and its findings. And if politicians know about it, they’re not telling

    When a farmer has a poor quality animal, he puts it down. He does not breed from it because he knows it will weaken the herd if it gets into the gene pool. When that same farmer gets a poor or diseased crop from a bag of seed, he burns the seed and the produce that resulted from it. Because he doesn’t want the disease to spread. When a herd of zebras notices a diseased or problematic animal in its midst, the zebras collectively kill it or drive it away to die. What do we do? We coddle the diseased members within our society. We make excuses for them repeatedly. We allow them to breed. We allow them to run mad-dog over the innocent. We spend ridiculous amounts of time, money and energy on them. It’s madness and it will destroy us and turn our world into a mad-max hell.

    A lot of society’s ills are the result of fatherless children produced by teenagers for cash and as result of no-cause divorce as introduced in the mid-70s. There are tens of thousands of people in this country who have no clue who their father is – nor do their mothers. We know about the teenage boy from Western Sydney I think, who did deals with unemployed, mostly fatherless teenage girls to split the baby bonus. He produced something like twelve children, zipped up, pocketed the cash and that’s that. The girl’s part of the deal was to get half the baby bonus and single mother’s benefits for 16 years. Oh, she also got a baby. And most girls had half a dozen. No fathers to act as cornerstone to the family, or deliver discipline or teach male skills or set an example of what marriage and respect for women is about, etc. So now we have all these poor creatures wandering around with no paternal influence in their lives ever and no hope of ever knowing who their father was or is. As the individual grows older, the effect upon them magnifies. If a boy’s been raised by a lonely single mother with several children and seeking a bit of affection wherever it can be found, that boy is going to have a difficult time forming anything approaching a loving, stable relationship. A boy whose only discipline has been administered by a stressed-out teenage single-mother may well grow up to hate women

    Here’s an example of what we’re going to have to deal with. A 17 year old teenage boy was attending TAFE. He was extremely short for his age, but looked like an angel with big, childlike eyes and long, curly hair. Everyone liked him but no-one treated him as a man. He was ‘cute’ and the women in the class mothered him, treated him like a child. He did well in the course, was always polite. It emerged he lived with his older brother who was a heavy drug-user and dealer, no contact with their parents. A transgender (male to female) was in the class as was her close friend, a working prostitute. The young boy spent most of his time with them. One day, the transgender prevailed upon the boy to show some others his sketch book. No doubt, the boy could draw. It was the content that was shocking. The transgender and prostitute knew it would shock the others and were enjoying their reactions. The sketches were executed in heavy black ink and page after page showed women spread-eagled, naked, crucified, cut in half, disembowelled, sexually mutilated, screaming in agony, knives and swords embedded in their bodies, entrails all over the page. During the same incident, it emerged that the transgender and prostitute took the boy home from time to time, where snuff porn was the usual entertainment. No idea where that boy is now – I hate to think. Who would like to take him home to try to rehabilitate him? Anyone? Where, how, why did he develop the hatred towards women and the fantasies of torturing and killing them? His mother? Rejection by women because of his small size? Snuff porn? Combination of all those? I hate to think about what he might be doing these days. He’d be about 30 years old now

    Then we have the tens of thousands of people walking around who were conceived via porn. Imagine their spiritual heritage when their presence on this planet was as result of second-hand lust derived from watching grubby strangers having loveless sex. How would it feel to learn that you’re only alive because mum, dad or both ground their groins to porn? Surely that can’t result in a ‘clean start’ in life? Or those who were conceived by drug-user parents — great start in life, huh? But it’s all so trendy ! Nothing wrong with it, millions will tell you. Ok

    Life could be compared to those survivor tv shows, where the boat travels down the river, surrounded on all sides by dense, Amazonian jungle. The camera pans to the shore, then goes for a close-up of massive anacondas, weird creatures hanging from branches, blood-sucking insects, gigantic spiders, hostile tribesmen. But it’s ok, because we’re on the boat and the dangers can’t touch us. Unless the boat flips and dumps us in the water. Life dumps people in the water unexpectedly all the time. Then they see the alternate realities, the lives lived in the shadows, the dangers all around – the Bayley’s, the Cowans, the Milats, the GBCs and the prisons filled with prisoners all watching porn, swapping stories and rehearsing their parole spiels with their counsellors and solicitors. Everyone’s trying to keep their head above water but if something doesn’t change, raw sewage is going to sink everyone’s boat, apart from those lucky enough to have ocean-going super-cruisers

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    • Bayley, Cowan, men of that ilk are not filling the prisons. They are fortunately rare dangerous animals. Most people never go back to prison and the majority that do have ongoing problems like drug addiction that cause them to commit petty crime. There are plenty of people walking around that will never see a prison that go through life hurting people. Look at what Baden Clay did before he killed his wife. All probably legal. No, killing off anyone that breaks a law would not solve our problems. The US has a massive long term prison population yet still have massive crime rates. The studies on failure of rehabilitation are old and have been revised since then. Views on controlling and punishing crime go round in cycles. There is some hope. Most crims ease off with age for a start. It’s a complex subject. I have known several young men that made bad decisions, served time and have never gone back. In most of these cases, they had a good family to go home to.

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      • Not all, of course, but many these days know it’s far more lucrative financially to be so… My poor fiancée has an ex wife and teenage daughter who stop at nothing to bleed him dry financially and emotionally… We have a child of our own now and the govt and child support system are such that I would be financially better off to leave him! His ex knew that too and jumped at the chance. However I’m of the view that our son would be better off with his parents together and with less money. Blame governments and stupid policies!

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  13. Good morning,
    Some interesting reading all :)
    The atmosphere at court yesterday was rather different than most other days. The crowd was small in comparison. There were the usual people lined up outside of the main court (standing there all day for fear of losing their place in the queue in the absence of “tickets”). From that, I gather court officials had guessed the crowd numbers would plummet during deliberation).
    I sat out in the sun drinking coffee and chatting to some known acquaintances and some new, checking twitter every so often in case something might happen.
    I was confident of a verdict being handed down by 3pm, but, it wasn’t to be.
    I thought well, that’s it for today! Nothing happening this afternoon, then I heard from a group of people that they’d been chatting with a court bailiff who told them the jury have the option to sit until 8pm. (I too heard this from a court officer I was chatting with on Thursday who mentioned they can hold the court open until 8pm when required).
    They (the group) told me that if you leave the courts after 5pm, you won’t get back in so best to stay inside just before 5. Hearing this news gave me a ray of hope that perhaps the jury were close to a decision and wanted a few more hours to deliberate on a couple of things.
    Then at 4pm there was movement. The bailiff opened the doors to the main court and people started to slowing file back in. My friend and I headed to the sixth floor overflow court along with around 10 other people only to find the doors locked. We waited until finally a bailiff let us in. Everyone was anxious and feared missing the verdict! “OMG we can’t get in and we’ve been here all day only to miss it”. It was almost a panicked response! I was quietly confident we’d get in in time as the Judge is always the last to arrive and at times, this can take up to five minutes or so.
    The bailiff appeared and the doors were open! This is it! Was the general mumbling. I was a tad more sceptical and didn’t allow myself to get too excited. I mentioned to my friend that it may possibly be because there was another question from the jury. She agreed.
    It took like what seemed forever for the screens to come to life, showing the hustle and bustle in the main court room. Someone started passing around lollies, like we were in a cinema anticipating some blockbuster movie! I declined, I had my own ;)
    Justice Byrne appeared, “All rise!” Finally! We sat silently, eyes glued to the screen.
    GBC sat motionless and appeared to be staring straight ahead as usual.
    Then Justice Byrne uttered the words “The jury has requested to reconvene on Monday morning. Court is adjourned”
    Ooohhhhh! OMG! Whaaaat? The groans and sighs of disdain were deafening!
    In light of this, I don’t believe the jury are close in making their final decision, considering they had an extra four hours at their disposal if needed (until 8).
    It’s anyone’s guess…

    I’m not sure I can get away with another week of court “haunting”. My husband has been very understanding indeed, but I don’t want to push it. We have a business to run and I’m loathe to sacrifice it at the expense of a BC.
    I guess I’ll have to be content with hearing the verdict on the tele like most.
    It’s been a great experience! Something I’ve always wanted to do, and I did it! Bucket list stuff :)
    Hang in there Allison, not long now!

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    • What a great read, sharing the day with us, I was right there with you, that panic bellabrisie when we ALL rushed hearing they were coming back, not wanting to miss it.Must of been tenfold in there.

      Sure has been an emotional rollercoaster, one final court day to go for everyone!
      Cheers

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      • Yes, it was an anti-climactic experience indeed! But something inside of me told me not to get too excited… I’m half expecting more stop, starts with this jury, or rather, one juror in particular ;)

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    • I would wonder what sort of meds GBC is consuming presently to keep his angst at bay, if he is at all. Just all that sitting, emotionless, etc etc. Perhaps a bit like the tin man but I don’t know if he has been squeaking and needing a bit of oil.
      I also wonder if he had a ‘habit’ prior to being imrisoned, how he dealt with withdrawals.

      Pure speculation but nothing can be excluded in this tragic unfolding scenario.

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  14. It’s quite comforting to think GBC and the “fambam” will be languishing impatiently, waiting and wondering with every passing minute between now and when the verdict is handed down.
    I didn’t notice the Dickies at court Thursday or yesterday. Perhaps it’s their way of saying stuff you! We’re satisfied you’ll be found guilty of murdering our girl, we don’t need to be there to see you and yours reactions!

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  15. So I have some inside info / secret squirrel.

    Toni has done an interview with a major network, to be aired after the trial concludes.

    She has also changed her name officially. Out of respect for privacy I won’t reveal the new name.

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    • Thanks Gerry, not totally unexpected, she will cop some flack, but fair enough, sharing her side outside of court. I imagine work for her will be pretty hard to come by if not thicker skinned than a concreters hands.

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          • Robbo’s prediction for Toni has obviously already started. A couple days ago he said Book deal and TV. And already this interview will likely air right after verdict. I also thought she would change her name. And not to BC as she once dreamt happening.

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        • You know, the way I see it is she didn’t kill her, she pre-empted it by forcing GBC to act earlier. She doesn’t really have anything more to say, unless she makes it up. I think TMH and GBC just can’t get enough money, and the fact we have all been so interested in this case, makes them think they can make squillions. Do you want to pay squillions to hear what you have already heard? I’ll never buy or listen to any article they put out. It won’t be the truth. It never will be. I can’t wait for when GBC marries a 17 year old and TMH gets mad and does an interview saying he did it all along. What a surprise!

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    • I too heard that yesterday and put it down to gossip.
      I also heard She’s got a magazine lined up waiting in the docks too.
      Can’t blame the woman I suppose as she was “unceremoniously” thrown under the wheels of a bus!
      One can’t blame her I guess for changing her name.

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      • Well if TMH has scored media deals, she should give three quarters of the proceeds to the Dickies for the girls. Better yet – the lot! It’d put her in a far better light to see Tracy Grimshaw (or whoever it may be interviewing her) to say “While Toni was paid for this interview, she has asked us to give the money to the Dickie Family for Allison’s 3 children”. She ahould think very carefully about these supposed deals – she could become even more villified.

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        • LIKED Daydreamer :-)

          Will you watch GBCs mistress yakking on tv for money or selling her sad story to magazines/newspapers? I certainly won’t. What a scab she is

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          • No, BB. I won’t watch it either. I don’t feel sorry for her in the slightest and if she thinks for a second that media deals and magazine headlines of “Mistress Speaks Out” will somehow redeem herself, then she’s more delusional than she was believing that trysts in the backseat of Snowy will lead to a ‘happily ever after’ scenario. Before getting into this mess with GBC, she clearly didn’t have the inner self-reflection to listen to those karmic red-flags life throws our way. A beautiful woman has passed on at the hands of her husband and due to this silly twit being at the same conference the day after her disappearance. I truly hope it torments her for the rest of her life – and the torment is beginning to show because she hates herself so much, she feels she has to change her name. She doesn’t deserve one cent of money from the media deals. There. I feel better now!

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          • I couldn’t bring myself to watch either BB/dd/bella. She knew she was going to pursue him knowing full stop he was married with children. She was just as greedy and self serving as he was in many ways. She also has 3 sons not 2 as she has an adult son from previous relationship. She shouldn’t make money for being an adulterer.

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        • Yeah … agree Daydreamer … I would encourage her pay for the education of the 3 girls at Ipswich Grammar school with the proceeds of those interviews … to make restitution for the damage done …

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    • I don’t blame her for changing her name. There seems to be a lot of public hatred towards her.

      I wonder if she’ll ever get involved with a married man again lol

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    • She has moved quite some distance away from the big lights of Brisvegas… I should go photograph her at her new place of employment. But no I’m not a pap photographer, so I won’t be doing that.

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  16. I was laying in bed (as we do) last night and thinking about GBC hitting people up for money and not paying it back and thought it only a matter of time before he will do that in prison.

    Difference is crims chase back their debts one way or another. Whether a teabag or the folding stuff.
    Sure fire way to make enemies, I say borrow away in there!

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    • I’ve thought about that too, Robbo. The reality is that people like GBC can’t change the way they ‘operate’ so undoubtedly he will win everyone over with his charm before setting about to systematically destroy them and burning bridges. But prisoners, I’m guessing, are not quite as vulnerable as people on the outside!!

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      • I have another take on GBC’s life on the inside. I, (having lived with a narcissist for 12 years) can’t see him “taking on the BIG boys” or any of their lackies (obviously less strong types, who always end up being the lackies) as he will be scared sh!tless! He’s fine with the weaker sex as he can (and did) bully them in private (as narcissists do). In prison however it’s a different story. He’s not a big toughie, on the contrary, he’s a weak insipid pr!ck and will end up becoming “Big Boris’ biatch” for sure. He’ll share his stash of (mummy supplied) goodies just to save his sorry face from being pummeled in. It won’t however save his sorry rrse from “Big Boris”. I see him resigned to accept his OBVIOUS feminine side “I was a little bit hurt voice” and cop it up the dairiare like a good lil prison batch.
        Besides, mummy, daddy or OW I’m sure, will always ensure he has everything he needs to buy his protection to a degree.
        He’s too weak to try and con the cons ;)

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        • Reasonably common.

          Bevan Meninga (Mals brother) fathered a child to a Corrective Services Officer. He’s just been released after serving ‘Life’ for Murder and in an interview said that although they aren’t together any longer they’re still good friends.

          A few others.

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            • Astounding that mothers, hook up with murderers. Especially those where the murderer has carried out his actions while children are in the house. Then live with said murderer and her children.

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              • Cut ‘n paste from Robbos mates….

                “WHILE most singles go to bars to find the perfect mate, some are going behind bars to find inmates.

                Corrective Services figures show jail relationships are flourishing despite or perhaps because of the barriers, taboos and potential consequences.

                And love-struck jail staff, including psychologists, are often among the main offenders.

                In the past 18 months alone, 15 prison workers have been investigated over allegations they have struck up illicit relationships with inmates.

                Of these cases, several of the staffers have resigned with their careers in tatters.

                Four prisoners, including a man convicted of attempted murder, have taken the ultimate step and married in jail ceremonies in the past five years.

                There have also been at least two known cases of prisoners having children while serving time, dubbed “immaculate conceptions” because conjugal visits are banned in Queensland.

                …..and on it goes, including a response from a female Psych as to why it happens.

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            • They have all the time in the world to work on these women (happens with male staff and conniving female crims too, dont worry…all manipulation and gee are they good at it, it is what got them (male and female) in prison to start with

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    • With his significant family support he won’t be on the ‘scrounge’ inside like a lot who have actually got nothing.

      He’ll have money coming into his account from family on a regular basis.

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  17. I have 2 thoughts about the case to share this morning.

    Firstly, yesterday we were watching an old taped episode of “Judge Judy” and in the accused made a statement and then immediately reached for the glass of water in front of him on the bench. My partner (who has not followed the GBC case) said to me that he is probably lying, since historically a dry mouth and increased need to drink water had been used to indicate the telling of lies!! I never knew this, and immediately thought of seeing it reported by persons who attended the trial that while in the stand GBC continuously drank vast quantities of water……!!!

    I just googled this and yes, it is true!! A dry mouth “(Xerostomia, the subjective feeling of oral dryness, which is often associated with hypofunction of the salivary glands ) has been used as a test to detect lies, which relied on emotional inhibition of salivary secretions to indicate possible incrimination.
    Iorgulescu, G (Jul–Sep 2009). “Saliva between normal and pathological. Important factors in determining systemic and oral health”. Journal of medicine and life 2 (3): 303–7. PMID 20112475.

    In google books I found reference to a book (Water-Related Death Investigation: Practical Methods and Forensic Applications) that in one paragraph mentions 3 observations that we made about GBC in the dock, and about him and OW during their TV interview. On page 145 “MOUTH: Frequent fake smiles mean deception. Dry mouth or a hoarse voice mean high stress and probable deception. Biting of the lower lip means a person is physically trying to prevent him/herself from giving incriminating information….”

    My second thought is rather chilling …. I can’t help thinking that the daughter that for whatever reason felt a need to get up that night to have a drink of water, is the first of two people who saw GBC in murderer mode that night, coming up the stairs from the outside, with his shoes on. He excused this afterwards by saying he was ironing…no way did he have ironing on his mind that night IMO. I suspect he had been setting the stage outside for a body removal, maybe unlocking Allison’s car, perhaps even laying a tarp in the back….. all while Allison was peacefully watching the footy in her PJ’s…..how utterly awful.

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    • You are right, to ‘normal’ people who feel ‘normal’ emotions, it would. To someone who is largely emotionless unless for himself or he thinks it’s in his self interest, who did not behave at all stressed when his beloved wife went missing or thereafter, who constantly had a phone in his hand afterwards, not a drink bottle…..suddenly drinking gallons of water COULD indicate more than just a little stress, in the light of Xerostomia’s historic application to indicate incrimination….????

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  18. Again, words. They spill out easily and paint a picture, to suit an agenda.
    For f’s sake! Such arrogance, only in my opinion. Show ponies. Makes me really angry ‘healthy justice system’ or whatever twads wallop was used. No compassion, lack of humility….

    A bloody tragic event has taken place. People know the law is an ass. The people want to support the wronged and broken hearted. I don’t believe those who attend court think ‘gee whiz, our government has created this simply amazing and to be admired legal system, that irrespective of why the court is open, they need to see a riveting legal display. Wankers.

    It isn’t bloody expo. It is about a community outraged at such despicable actions and injustice to an honest, decent mother who through no fault of her own was callously and coldheartedly slain.
    Such a private person who would no doubt be ABSOLUTELY mortified to know that her most intimate life details have become fodder for all and sundry. So so so very very very SAD.
    Such a contrast to the accused – not batting an eyelid. Didn’t anyone notice a blush here or there in court, or did he wear the accusations like trophies… mistresses especially but then there was the ‘shit, shower, shave excuse me’.
    We didn’t even get to the ‘mummy’s fallen down a hole and won’t be coming back’ and all the other things that the defense have knocked on the head to be precluded from the trial.
    I feel exceptionally wild after reading that blurb above. Ashamed of the human race in fact that murderers, self-impressed and hurtful people walk our earth. I am a sook, but I am hard-wired that way. Perhaps I should retreat to the jungle.

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    • Hmmm what “Blurb” are you referring to LF? You don’t have exclusivity on hurt feelings for Allison, some of us may be a tad more reserved in how we show it.
      This is after all a blog, not a tribute page. We ALL (as far as I can ascertain) feel the girls, the Dickies and others pain and want justice for Allison.
      The outcome will be the outcome, regardless of what we may say or muse about whilst airing our thoughts.
      I feel you have become somewhat affected by all the goings on with the trial etc… Relax, there’s nothing you or I or anyone else (except the jury) can do.
      Chill a lil

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      • IF…it was directed at Bella, that’s a bit tough. Bella has been supportive of Allison and her family since day 1 through her words and actions.

        Even in the worst of the worst cases a little light hearted banter will seep through… it’s how people deal with things, otherwise it’s just being consumed in that downward spiral.

        Kis and make up….I’ll take the photo. :-)

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      • It was the newspaper article I was referring to regarding the ‘healthy legal system’ evidenced by the crowds, which I obviously didn’t articulate clearly enough.
        Bit saddened by your post and how you perceive my intenetions, but that is life.
        Fully aware, as I have said to another poster using your same words abut the validity of my posts, of what rolls here and its purpose.
        Maybe my connectedness influences my input and I do take exception, especially to the ‘exclusivity’ bit. I am not sure how you came to that conclusion as I found it a tad hurtful, but each to his own.

        This is the second castigation recently regarding my posts indicating I am in the wrong place.

        If that is unanimous, be upfront and brutally honest guys and I will take it on the chin. I guess Robbo will let me know if I am out of line.

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        • iCandy, please stop this. He’s not reacting for a reason. We get it. You don’t like BR. That’s not what we are here to discuss and the people he’s ‘bullying’ aren’t complaining about it so please let it go. Robbo mentioned last week this sniping wasn’t necessary and it’s really starting to affect me and several other people on the site. Not everyone is going to get along but we don’t need to openly antagonise. Thank you.

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        • So you’re an expert are you iCandy? go take a good long look in the mirror honey, you’ll see who the real narcissist is. Every comment you’ve made is of a derogatory nature. You said you were “outa here” twice I believe… yes, twice. So what are you doing here? nobody cares what you have to say, you’ve appeared out of nowhere and hurled insults at BR left, right and centre. Also, you have no right to judge me or LJC or BR! so do us all a favour, and do what you have twice threatened, get outa here!
          You sound like a bitter twisted old has been love, broadcasting for all who can read that you have 30 YEARS LEGAL EXPERIENCE!! So what?
          Have you even stopped to consider that some of us may also have experience in the law?
          So honey, go have another drink and behave your petty self. Oh, and don’t slam the door on the way out.
          Have a nice day

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  19. Quoting Little Fish

    Such a private person who would no doubt be ABSOLUTELY mortified to know that her most intimate life details have become fodder for all and sundry. So so so very very very SAD.
    Such a contrast to the accused – not batting an eyelid

    He has no loyalty at all. Nor do members of his family who, if you remember, kicked off with the stripping of Allison’s dignity, modesty and reserve, by announcing to all and sundry that she was ‘depressed, depressed, depressed’ , lay around all day in a darkened house and vomited, etc. When questioned, the very photogenic OW was forced to admit Allison had been pregnant at the time of the car incident

    GBC sat there impassively, listening to his wife and daughters’ mum stripped bare with no opportunity to defend herself. Did he stand up and say ‘Enough Your Honour. I did it, Ok? Yes, I’m guilty. No need for any more of this. Dad – Olivia — cut it out. You know she wasn’t like that very often at all. Just hit me with the sentence and all of you, go home’ ?

    No. He’s a gutless wimp. Allison was short-changed. She didn’t marry a man. She deserved a refund

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    • Goodness, did you misunderstand my intent also Burleigh. Hope not, but I have asked for feedback so I guess I will find out.

      I was in no way referring to any post here, but to the legal perception, or how I interpretted it anyway, that it is due to the ‘law’ that people flocked, and nothing to do with having an interest in the death of a fellow human being.

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      • Perhaps be a little more clear as to what article or who you were referring LF?
        With so many comments, It’s easy to misconstrue the intention or to whom it might concern :)

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  20. As for TM selling her rancid version of events to the media — am I the only one who will boycott anything connected with her?

    She slept with a married man commencing when her lover’s youngest child was only a year old

    And she kept it up. She had children, she’d been married. She knew how difficult it was being a working mother or simply ‘a mother’, particularly a mother with a faithless, useless spouse. But TM kept going and stuff that woman out there who was legally married to the creep in the yellow jacket

    Now there’s sympathy for TM? She changed her name? What a spineless cow. And now she’s being courted by the media which puts its money on the dumb public having an appetite for the grubby and salacious

    See you, Allison. You died, you don’t count. Media can’t get an interview with you. Your husband sold you down the river and finally killed you to get you out of his way. And guess what, Allison — you won’t believe this — your nemesis, the relentless bunny-boiler who had your husband four nights a week and his attention most days — won after all. Tough, Allison. Life’s like that, huh?

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            • Sadly, I think it will be manslaughter but I’m holding out hope that the jury are currently sitting at an 11-1 split, murder over manslaughter. I’ve decided they’ve taken the weekend to think through their decisions and come back fresh on Monday to see if they think the same way after a bit of reflection. Just a gut feeling again, RIPAllison. Nothing scientific :) Bottom line, I have no idea which way it will go but it won’t be not guilty. It can’t be.

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    • Bugger, I was going to go for end of business on Tuesday. I’ll have between 11am and 12 midday on Tuesday then. Get out and home before peak hour.

      Manslaughter.

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      • That’s been my prediction all along too BR… Not what I want or what will be justice served which is why I’m all for a panel of judges delivering verdicts! At least they have the brains and understanding of the legalities and reasonableness clause….

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        • Yeah…I dunno BSD70.

          I reckon all of those ‘Big Brains’ would try and out do each other with over thinking it.

          Maybe we need something in the middle?

          Anyone who’s ever made over $5,000 on Eggheads, Million Dollar Minute, Who Wants To Be A Millionaire etc goes into an available pool of Jurors.

          Deal or No Deal won’t count…..can’t just ‘pop the locks’ for a verdict of Yes or No.

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            • me; the longer the jury is out the more I’m worried about Manslaughter. I’m hoping/wishing/praying I’m wrong. I want him to squint at daylight for the rest of his unnatural life.

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              • That’s the usual trend Moonraker….but there’s sometimes anomalies e.g. Rolf Harris.

                I will add however that Rolf and the like have their sentence decided by the Judge and as we know if this Jury returns Murder…..they’re sentencing him (in effect).

                I think they want to convict him, they just don’t want to be on the Firing Squad.

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                • I agree, correct me if I am wrong, I’m pretty sure juries in OZ stay anonymous?

                  Not even sure they can comment freely post trial in media like in the USA whether disguised or not.

                  Not saying they wont be boasting to friends and co on facebook though
                  (whether they really were or not mind you)

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  21. Apparently stats show juries are taking longer to deliberate as violence/self entitlement in our society increases also does sympathy for the accused. In bygone days jurors were saying ‘fry’em’ as they were walking in deliberation room. We have become de-sensitised to violence to a greater degree.

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    • Good point MR. Probably also a bit of ‘finding out some harsh truths’ and the resultant doubt.
      i.e. before they came to Court they probably had preconceived ideas about DNA, Forensics, Crime Labs etc etc and were expecting some solid evidence. Instead they got an Autopsy Report saying “Undetermined” and no CSI LA moments.

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    • Oh god, what’s that syndrome where they sympathise with their kidnappers.Stockholm syndrome

      This isn’t it, this is stubborn individual(s) who think they are always right no matter the circumstances…Like a supporter who thinks their team can still win in the last 2 minutes 30 points or 3 tries down!

      “But maybe the razor was really old!”
      “maybe she could walk 13km in the dark although not fit without her phone she always takes”
      “and somehow land over there with leaves in her hair from the house when she fell over from a zoloft tablet making her delerious?????”

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  22. Hi me. Can I ask what makes you think there are Liberal Party influences at play with a manslaughter conviction?

    I ask because I think GBC was simply an LNP wanna-be and barely on the fringes (if that). If anything, the LNP would be (and have already done so) distancing themselves from this by wanting a murder conviction.

    Hopefully, Kenmoremum and other Brookfield locals on here can elaborate on this. If it’s already been discussed, I apologise.

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  23. Hey each week of the trial so far, these are the stats of visitors to this site ending each Monday, so expecting big numbers tomorrow to finish stats week if verdict reached. This shows the interest in this trial a total of 460,818 folks came to check out this case, near half a million and it does not count repeat visits on same day!
    30,459
    53,070
    127,638
    83,082
    90,330
    76,239

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  24. Got a funny call from a friend of mine in Real Estate in Queensland. Has anyone heard of a place called PEREGIAN BEACH QLD? She mentioned the weirdest thing to me whilst inspecting a property over the last few days.

    She could not put her finger on it, she knew this woman from somewhere big time, but couldn’t put her finger on it, other than she was a Hooker, involved in Hookers up there or something?

    Stay tuned I will dig deeper. The weird thing is this old gal of mine knows I am into crimes and stuff and I’m just wondering! Is there a connection…Time WILL tell

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    • Yeah this lady trying to push this house, but head down, looking away, no eye contact, How does that instil trust and confidence.

      It was like she couldn’t trust anyone any-more, yet here she is trying to sell and rent in the real estate game. My old school gal said, fair dinkum is she in this OR NOT!

      What is she hiding she thought! She also failed to answer her calls late last week, away filming something about promo and interview.

      Anyway keep trying I said, sounds like it could be money making deal, so I am awaiting news.

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  25. Juries aren’t allowed to talk about deliberations after a Trial. Not sure if they can accept a 11:1 verdict in QLD – I will see if I can find out. BBL.

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        • Antonia Denman
          Property Investment Manager
          Once just a dream is now a reality; living and working on the beautiful Sunshine Coast! Each day I pinch myself that dreams can come true. I feel I’m one of the lucky few who’ve been able to simply pack their suitcase and load it with over 11 years of Real Estate Sales and Property Management experience in Brisbane, unpack and utilize it at LJ Hooker Peregian Beach, Sunshine Coast.

          I thoroughly enjoy working within the Real Estate Industry. Each day is different, new people to meet and relationships to develop. I thrive on the day to day changes and challenges of Property Management and love the satisfaction of knowing that our Clients are happy with our services.

          I believe a lot of my success in Real estate has stemmed from my previous career in Education as a high school Art Teacher.

          I’m creative in approach, well organised, an excellent communicator but most of all I really enjoy assisting people.
          I very much look forward to being of assistance now and in the future.

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        • so NO links to her name just office info? weird…Check Real Estate Awards, maybe she won something or spoke at a what are the called, conference or whatever?

          Its not like she came out of nowhere to be an experienced real estate agent surely?
          My old gal up there will be demanding a reduced commission if that is the case I tell you! Who mentored this person? I have to know!

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          • Just being the voice of reason here but maybe she has a right to privacy, guys? For all that happened, she doesn’t deserve to be exposed all over again. She really doesn’t. We don’t need to go after her with pitchforks and torches. We all make mistakes but most of our mistakes don’t end up in the national news and papers. We pride ourselves on being compassionate people – so we need to exemplify that now :)

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            • Right to privacy? AS in?

              Compassion for me yes, being a somewhat pretender is a different thing. A person who holds their head high and moves on after an affair that seems to of resulted in the murder of the other woman but fades away into history deserves something.

              Not one who might cash in while the iron is hot in certain circumstances…That is just me though of course.

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              • But we don’t know that for sure. Ok… Let me put it a different way… She didn’t cause Allison’s murder. She didn’t. I don’t believe TMcH had any knowledge of GBC’s plans. Vilifying Toni will not bring Allison back. Her life will never be the same and I would say that none of us could be any more critical of TMcH than she is of herself following the events that unfolded. She would suffer severe self-loathing. All she did was want to be with the man who I have no doubt was saying he loved her and wanted to be with her. We know as much from THOSE emails. Yes she was the other woman, yes she did something morally wrong… but she deserves to have a chance to move on, for her kids and for her family. She didn’t kill anyone. Gerard (allegedly) did that… And he didn’t do it so he could be with Toni. He did it for the insurance money and to save face publicly by avoiding the worlds colliding the next day and the embarrassment and financial ruin of divorce.

                The way I look at it… What if it was your mother? Your sister? Would you judge her the same? I’m just trying to see this from all sides… Xx

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                • I entertain all you say.I have one little problem involving self preservation (Did she know about-but felt better putting her finger in her ears on the details) in that she was happy to have whatever happen to be with the man she loved? simple

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                  • I don’t believe that any woman who knew their lover was planning on killing their wife wouldn’t do something to stop it. She was used, pure and simple. I know someone exactly like GBC. The phrases he said in the stand are the phrases this man said to me about HIS lover (my boss). ‘Placating’ ‘she pursued me’ ‘she’s volatile’ ‘she’s out of control’… My boss used to have emotional breakdowns on my shoulder til midnight almost daily – sound like someone we know? And my boss was thoroughly manipulated and in love with this men. I don’t like my boss (anymore) but she didn’t create the situation. I think the exact same thing has happened here. I can’t explain it, it’s just something I feel.

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                    • LJC you must see through rosy glasses. I respect this is your opinion, but you do not have much life experience to be able to defute the evidence of how a woman scorned can manipulate a man perhaps.

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                    • On the contrary, I have a great deal of life experience. Far more than someone my age should ever have. A scorned woman held my life in her hands and still does. But like I said, I’m just looking at it from a different perspective. I don’t condone what she did with the affair… But I can’t believe for a minute she knew or was involved in the murder. Be ause if she was, she’d be on trial. She’s not a strong person. Fundamentally weak and insecure. She couldn’t keep her affair a secret, let alone a murder! And in the end, even she knew she had no control over him. And the clincher for me? GBC painted the picture of her being a potential killer in court. Doubt she saw that coming.

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                • If it weren’t for Toni’s adulterous affair, Allison would still be alive today. She has a lot to answer for. Yes, she’s paid a price, but nothing to the price that Allison has paid and her kids and parents.

                  You can change your name, but you can never change your face!

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                    • I’m not condoning her actions, AT ALL. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and so on. If we are thoroughly perfect human beings, we have the right to judge her. If not, we need to back off of her and leave her be… Or we just look like vultures circling a carcass and I think we are all bigger people than that.

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                    • I agree – he who is without sin…human beings are complex. There is no one straightforward mould…

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                    • LJC: It wasn’t clumsy. Apart from which your comment pulled me into gear and gave me immediate perspective. Thankyou.

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                  • You can’t say that, Gerry. You absolutely can’t… She meant nothing to GBC. This is what no one seems to understand. She was just a plaything. He didn’t kill for her. Toni did not make GBC kill Allison. Nobody can make another person do anything. It’s a choice. How many other people have affairs? Do all their lovers kill their spouses? The blame sits squarely on the man who killed her and dumped her body. If you like, I can drive up to Peregian tomorrow and ask her if she was involved?

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                    • She meant everything to GBC. He was motivated by $1 million tag on ABC.
                      She was a driving force in making him commit to her, she didn’t care one inch (maybe that’s not the right word) about Allison. Because if she did she would have walked away from GBC ages ago.

                      Tell me this, WHY in her 1st statement to the Police on April 21st, Point 21 did she see the need to raise the ‘ depression’ word for a person who at this stage was still a missing person?

                      Coincidental that it would help back up GBC’s case by saying that she was aware of her depression.

                      There’s 5 people who know the truth in what happened, I’ll leave it to people to work out who those 5 are.

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                    • In fear of disappearing down a crack in the page…..

                      Raising the ‘depression’ in a Missing Person statement is par for the course if she believed Allison was a sufferer. People just try and help with all possibilities.

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                    • That was what I was also going to say. He had drummed into her that he couldn’t leave ABC because of her depression and suddenly ABC goes missing without a trace… what else could she say? It was only one day after she went missing… no one knew what was going on. Except GBC.

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                    • Absolutely didn’t mean everything. He slept with another woman (pre-organised for months!!!!!!!!) the night before toni flew down to sydney to be with him… at the risk of being crass, she was a that he played with to amuse himself… he never took her seriously and just played games with her head for sh*ts and giggle. That’s what these ‘creatures’ do.

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                  • GBC is responsible for GBC’s actions. Not TMcH, not Bruce Flegg, not the other’s he was involved with.

                    Why don’t we blame Bruce Flegg also? If he didn’t give GBC $300,000, Alison may still be alive. Why don’t we blame the bank too? If the bank didn’t refuse GBC’s loan application then Alison may still be alive.

                    We can play the what if/what only game all day but the fact remains that GBC chose his behavior and decided to end the life of his wife. TMcH was just another pawn being used by GBC and her shelf life was coming to an end as well. He saw her as having a few dollars that he could weasel out of her and then she would have been unceremoniously tossed aside like all the others..

                    “If only TMcH didn’t put pressure on him, GBC wouldn’t have murdered his wife” What a total cop out.. GBC chose his actions, not anyone else. All the people in his life were just pawns.

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                  • Gerry, I bet with the money she brings in from magazine interviews, tv, radio book deals etc. she will attempt to change her face! (probably to match her backside)

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          • Yep it’s her….TM is Antonia Denman as she has a degree as an art teacher and she has quoted it here: “I believe a lot of my success in Real estate has stemmed from my previous career in Education as a high school Art Teacher.

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      • Hi Concerned, I’ve worked in both areas and I don’t agree with that. Police have far more access than Pricefinder or RP Data can offer up

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      • I’m really struggling to work out why being an “art teacher” helps her in real estate.

        That surely, is just code for “I’m not a drop kick, I am educated.”

        I agree with LJC…this woman deserves privacy. Leave her with some small chance at a reasonable future. Heaven knows how she must feel when she reflects on how she has been used and is now so reviled by society in general.

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        • Showing ‘Education’ generally, sure Shadow.

          I’d say that it’s more to with ‘Design, colour’ etc when people are putting their house on the market…..and don’t have much of a clue.

          That area commands big bucks and a well thought out ‘make over’ could add substantially to the sale price rather than present it with a few doilies on the furniture.

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          • Thank god I live in Melbourne where most people have lived outside a small box. lol

            Guess what degree interior designers & art teachers both do? Art/fine art/visual art degrees!

            As BR pointed out, during an art degree, some of the units studied are design fundamentals, architecture, painting/colour palates, art movement period history timeline (gothic, middle ages, art deco, contemporary, expressionism, surrealism, post modernism, baroque, post war etc etc) Australian art history, sociology, drawing/sketching, composition etc etc..

            Houses & buildings draw upon various art movements in history & various architecture period history. Having a good grasp of design fundamentals, colour palates, interior design & architecture helps home sellers make improvements to their homes to make the home more salable..

            “Oddly enough there is no connection between the Arts and Real Estate. lol. Two completely different strands, and mind-sets” written below by Concerned.

            Concerned, watch an episode of the block or selling houses Australia & learn something.

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            • I have to agree AE2… I’m an interior designer and whilst my degree was specific to that (not decorating but more the architectural side) we did cover all those things you mentioned. And my former boss was a real estate agent turned interior designer. She had no formal design training. There’s definitely a link in terms of basic art principles too… Balance, proportion, scale, perspective, tone, contrast etc in setting up homes for sale.

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        • Yes agreed The Shadow. The mention of her education is in code but I think also that she is trying to show she has an artistic flair for styling houses and that would help in Real Estate. If she is so gauche as to go on some TV program to tell her story then I do hope she donates a lot of money to the little girls’ education. That was a great idea by someone.

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  26. I think this part of her “bio” nails it. She’s obviously loved on from Blocksidge.
    I believe a lot of my success in Real estate has stemmed from my previous career in Education as a high school Art Teacher.

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  27. No doubt it has been thought of before but with the all the empty houses available to GBC, just wondering, did Allison get to the bridge that night? Or relocated and then moved later? Would account for no mud or debris on/in the car, i.e transferred to another car. Other thoughts, VISUAL perception is everything to someone such as GBC, and perhaps NBC. Vacuum cleaner… not the one used…. deliberate red herring. Allison seen sitting on the couch, alive? Any interactions between child and Mum? Not mentioned I think! Unusual, as I suspect Allison would ask daughter what she was up for… most Mum’s would. Child can simply say mum was seen on the couch; but was she spoken to? After which reality is “constructed” for the child by GBC.Child mentions TV program mum is watching (so did he), she did NOT mention interacting with her..Funny her description matches his EXACTLY. Nuance here… children have own perceptions , unless told how to think!
    As for statements he is not a person who gets angry, totally incorrect! He is passive aggressive. Internal raging. Refuses to change behaviours in the face of the utmost distress of his wife and his special way to stymie her plans to improve her life. That’s anger expressed another way.
    Planning ability… exceptional! Planned ahead enough to crash car to conceal injuries and not attend police station. Didn’t care the consequences to person who provided car. Totally self centred, narcissistic approach. Planned that with lighting speed and clearly no remorse or thought for “friend” who provided car. How many people reading this would crash a friend’s car deliberately if you were innocent of a crime?
    He has a pattern of stalling, lying, passive aggression and understands “perceptions” of the naive public and very much so children i.e. ( they use own standards to judge him by, and are superficial in their judgements believe what is said and seen), this is where it goes wrong! He is in a category of his own with different rules of judgment, the subtleties need to be understood.
    I also wonder his connections, lying cheating husbands very often have confidantes who act in similar ways, did he call in some “loyalty” or “favours ” after the fact?
    Most people with this profile are fraudulent too, nothing mentioned in that department but renting after 15 years? No wonder Allison was depressed, when the great Australian lifestyle is to have your own home, suspect she was waking up to the future she had ahead, more of the same, lying, cheating, waiting, passive aggressive behaviours …. and was not happy about that anymore. Her depression is clear … after marriage, not before and not due to the factors she “reported”, being a private person..an opinion only.

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    • Page? Or you mean replies to comments getting skinny? That is wordpress not me. Called nesting, trying to keep the conversation together, but this happens to busy comments

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  28. No doubt it has been thought of before but with the all the empty houses available to GBC, just wondering, did Allison get to the bridge that night? Or relocated and then moved later? Would account for no mud or debris on/in the car, i.e transferred to another car. Other thoughts, VISUAL perception is everything to someone such as GBC, and perhaps NBC. Vacuum cleaner… not the one used…. deliberate red herring. Allison seen sitting on the couch, alive? Visual perception… Any interactions between child and Mum? Not mentioned I think! Unusual, as I suspect Allison would ask daughter what she was up for… most Mum’s would. Child can simply say mum was seen on the couch; but was she spoken to? After which reality is “constructed” for the child by GBC. Child mentions TV program mum is watching (so did he), she did NOT mention interacting with her..Funny her description matches his EXACTLY. Nuance here… children have own perception , unless told how to think!
 As for statements he is not a person who gets angry, totally incorrect! He is passive aggressive. Internal raging. Refuses to change behaviours in the face of the utmost distress of his wife and this is his special way to stymie her plans to improve her life. That’s anger expressed another way.
 Failing to assist, failing to change, carrot dangling…Patterns established with TMH as well.
    Planning ability… exceptional! Planned ahead enough to crash car to conceal injuries and not attend police station. Didn’t care the consequences to person who provided car. Totally self centred, narcissistic approach. Planned that with lighting speed and clearly no remorse or thought for “friend” who provided car. How many people reading this would crash a friend’s car deliberately if you were innocent of a crime?
 He has a pattern of stalling, lying, passive aggression and understands “perceptions” of the naive public and very much so children i.e. ( they use own standards to judge him by, and are superficial in their judgements believe what is said and seen), this is where it goes wrong! He is in a category of his own with different rules of judgement, the subtleties need to be understood.
I also wonder his connections, lying cheating husbands very often have confidantes who act in similar ways, did he call in some “loyalty” or “favours ” after the fact?
 Most people with this profile are fraudulent too, and move money around for their own benefit, nothing mentioned in that department but renting after 15 years? No wonder Allison was depressed, when the great Australian lifestyle is to have your own home, suspect she was waking up to the future she had ahead, more of the same, lying, cheating, waiting, passive aggressive behaviours …. and was not happy about that any more. Her depression is clear … after marriage, not before and not due to the factors she “reported”, being a private person..an opinion only.

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  29. Ok it is 7.52 real time. With all the comments and replies all happening at once it has got confusing not to mention real skinny reading!

    Let us sit back down, chill and maybe enjoy the night, and fire up again tomorrow. One of few relaxing things I do in life is watching my beloved Sydney Swans play. They are playing right now tonight on telly and I cant see it from my desk.

    So I’m setting the ball rolling and saying have a great night, time for me to relax, I encourage you all to do the same. It has not been earth shattering news tonight remember.

    And because of all the replies, emails and so on all crazy, I promise you this, I will reply (faster if we are getting flogged) I’m not ignoring anyone

    I am relaxing folks xxx love and peace

    Robbo

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  30. Time for me to attend to other matters and relax so to speak, too.
    I’d just like to say – what we all no doubt know anyway – that we each and all have our opinions etc and although we are entitled to them, respectfully so – we may or may not [always] be ‘right’….
    G’night all. Thanks for some interesting sharing.
    Here’s to justice and all that is a workable relief to this tired old world.
    End crime.

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  31. Sure we all have opinions and of course are entitled to them, but I must say I am really surprised that so many of you think the verdict will be manslaughter….many of us have participated on this blog for 2 years because right from the start we felt very strongly that this was a deliberate, callous, premeditated MURDER.

    I see absolutely NO evidence of an accidental killing without INTENT – it all reeks of a deliberate act:
    • He promised Toni to sort out his financial problems AND come to her a free man on 1 July – he stated his INTENT (electronic evidence)
    • Telling Toni he loves her and how much being apart pains him too and that she must ‘leave IT to him’ now (ie he INTENDS to make it happen – electronic evidence)
    • Enquiries about Allison’s insurance in weeks leading up to her murder (records exist)
    • He could not even pay his phone bills, but Allison’s life insurance remained current when she died (records exist)
    • Had to pay back several loans at EOFY 30 June, unable to get more loans (records exist)
    • Claimed her insurance even before she was formally identified (record exists)
    • Unlike a spur of the moment dump, Allison was placed her in a very well considered and selected spot – UNDER a bridge where it would be safe from being found for a week or two, so DNA and COD evidence will be lost. Without INTENT and forethought a place will not be so well chosen.
    • Enough forethought to hide Allison’s phone in Brookfield area, to keep the search for her there for a week or two while DNA and COD evidence deteriorates. He did not discard her phone at Kholo bridge or some distant place – no, he made sure it was hidden close to home. Cunning. Required more forethought than a spur of the moment act.
    • Planned ahead enough to crash car to conceal injuries and not attend police station. Didn’t care the consequences to person who provided car (as new poster just Christine pointed out)
    • If he killed her by accident without any INTENT and forethought, he would have been remorseful about it and he would not have gone to these lengths to cover up his crime and claim her insurance asap. His lack of emotion, disinterest in her search and eagerness to move on with his life reeks of INTENT and a plan in execution.
    • A lack of any previous violence or loss of temper in the relationship also indicates a physical altercation on the fateful night was deliberate – with INTENT
    • He showed a strong capacity to deceive in a range of circumstances throughout his life (as per his own witness).

    Why now at the final stage do you guys think Allison’s murder was not intentional? Do you really believe that? We may as well not have had a long expensive trial if the jury is just going to ‘settle’ for an easy option. Where’s the justice for Allison?

    IMO was intended and deliberate. No accident. No momentary ‘oops’. MURDER.

    It will be good if you guys favouring manslaughter can please explain why you believe he killed Allison ‘unintentionally’. I must be missing something….

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    • Oh no, I think he murdered her for sure, RIPAllison. No doubt in my mind and your summary above confirms it. But I don’t think the jury will have the guts to send him away for life. And manslaughter splits the difference between murder and not guilty. But I, 100% no doubt believe he’s guilty of Murder.

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      • Allison’s body needed to be found for GBC to receive payouts on Insurance and super. It just needed a delay to allow some decomposition to occur so as any evidence of DNA and Injury would dissipate.

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        • Sure Dan, but a massive gamble.

          Kids….paddlers…road/bridge workers…Scouts …..and to have a good understanding of the decomposition rates of DNA/human bodies?

          I’d think someone would just dump the body in a very isolated area and when needed just drop 50c in an anonymous call to Crime Stoppers saying they’ve been out bushwalking and…BINGO. (click)

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    • I think that he most likely murdered her but the jury may think that this cannot be proved absolutely, he may have caused her death but not murdered her. For example, they were fighting and she fell down the stairs. Personally, I think there was intent there somewhere and he was under pressure. He is a gutless wonder but that night the pressure got to him and he did what he did.

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  32. i really think that he stuffed up .he probably had some ingenious plan which failed because gbc didnt anticipate abc would resist like she did! and the kholo creek drop off was done with the help of another, allison was dragged to her resting spot.then gbc went home and tried to create normality despite facial scratches, making the monty python type call to 000.another fail..
    he is a complete dork and his little plan had glitches. he is so guilty!!!

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    • He didn’t move the body himself – during my career I have moved/pulled/pushed turned and lifted dead weights AND dead bodies – it is extremely difficult to do so by yourself – and I am a strong and muscular woman…

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      • I am a relatively petite woman and have shifted dead weight people including drunks (dragged them by the feet), very large men unable to lift themselves at all after falls (once took an hour). Given time, it’s not that hard. He could have dragged her or laid her on something and dragged that.

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        • Maybe I should have clarified Sandiegg – I didn’t make a habit of leaving drag marks or any marks for that matter on the body….Allison was found to have no other injuries – especially being dragged or being thrown

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  33. RIP Allison

    Seeing as how you appear to be genuinely interested……

    • He promised Toni to sort out his financial problems AND come to her a free man on 1 July – he stated his INTENT (electronic evidence)

    He’d made similar promises many times over a long period. She didn’t believe him. He played around behind her back. She was just a bit on the side…nothing more.

    • Telling Toni he loves her and how much being apart pains him too and that she must ‘leave IT to him’ now (ie he INTENDS to make it happen – electronic evidence)

    He was just fobbing her off like he’d done many times. ‘Placating’ her as he said….she was volatile. (other witnesses)

    • Enquiries about Allison’s insurance in weeks leading up to her murder (records exist)

    They were having financial difficulties. Looking at expenses would be normal and then each expense would have to be judged on the pros and cons. A lot of money would have been plowed into an Insurance Policy over the years….would you just cut it off and write off all of those Premium payments? Or look for other expenses to cull? (Like her new Tready, his Lexus?)

    • He could not even pay his phone bills, but Allison’s life insurance remained current when she died (records exist)

    See above.

    • Had to pay back several loans at EOFY 30 June, unable to get more loans (records exist)

    He claimed that he had an agreed ‘extension’. This went through unchallenged. His current financiers weren’t overly concerned about his ability to repay them with the plans they’d made for profitability of the business.

    • Claimed her insurance even before she was formally identified (record exists)

    He said he ‘advised’ the Insurers as per their requirement on the Policy. Unchallenged.
    He also claimed that Police told him that Allisons body had been found. Unchallenged.

    • Unlike a spur of the moment dump, Allison was placed her in a very well considered and selected spot – UNDER a bridge where it would be safe from being found for a week or two, so DNA and COD evidence will be lost. Without INTENT and forethought a place will not be so well chosen.

    A popular creek for paddlers, a bridge over a reasonably busy road, and a Scout Camp nearby. Acres and acres of bush nearby would have been a better choice.

    • Enough forethought to hide Allison’s phone in Brookfield area, to keep the search for her there for a week or two while DNA and COD evidence deteriorates. He did not discard her phone at Kholo bridge or some distant place – no, he made sure it was hidden close to home. Cunning. Required more forethought than a spur of the moment act.

    The phone just simply hasn’t been found. Pure speculation as to where it is or isn’t.

    • Planned ahead enough to crash car to conceal injuries and not attend police station. Didn’t care the consequences to person who provided car (as new poster just Christine pointed out)

    People have minor bingles. The Police were probably happy not to have to do ANOTHER report because some dunce has bounced off a wall or whatever….irrespective of Traffic Act ‘requirements’.

    • If he killed her by accident without any INTENT and forethought, he would have been remorseful about it and he would not have gone to these lengths to cover up his crime and claim her insurance asap. His lack of emotion, disinterest in her search and eagerness to move on with his life reeks of INTENT and a plan in execution.

    His ’emotions’ are what TV/News Journos have chosen to show us or what other people are comparing to their own….subjective. Police didn’t allow him to leave the house and keep searching.

    • A lack of any previous violence or loss of temper in the relationship also indicates a physical altercation on the fateful night was deliberate – with INTENT

    ‘Pressure Cooker’ scenarios leading to heat of the moment violence (from either)…….extremely common. Allison hated the way he treated her for years (her Diary)

    • He showed a strong capacity to deceive in a range of circumstances throughout his life (as per his own witness).

    He was an adultering Real Estate salesman. He’d probably have to get in line. (no offence to any honest Real Estate salespeople. :-)

    So……these are some ‘ifs’, just like your ‘ifs’, which makes this case iffy….I suppose.

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    • p.s. I don’t even know where the pranged Prado and any minor injuries fits in to your theory?

      The ‘scratches’ on his face have always been from the razor. (according to him)

      The welts on his chest have always been from the crazed caterpillar…. according to him.

      What injuries does he claim came from the so called ‘false prang’?

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      • The staged prang was an early demonstration of how cunning he is and what lengths he’d go to to avoid and interview and his incriminating battle scars to be yet again viewed by police and we suspected apportion as many as he could to the accident. Was only partially successful – he only avoided an interview.

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        • When did he use the ‘accident’ to claim the facial injuries?

          I thought he claimed the razor when the Police first arrived at his doorstep?

          As well…the first Responder (apparently) thought GBC ‘was good for it’ immediately. How would a few relatively minor injuries stop the Police from asking him for an interview?

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      • BR the pranged Prado was legit. I know the smash repair owners & it was already sorted & booked in before A went missing. The staged prang was the one at Indro where he drove into the pylon right near the Police Beat (doh) in the shopping centre. As I said earlier on my son saw the car there & came home & said some douche has smashed into the pylon & you can tell it was on purpose…later on we found out it GBC…someone tried to say he didn’t know where the police station was!! Puleasseeee!! The man drove past it everyday on his way to work! The staged one was in a friends borrowed car…Honda CRV

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    • BR, with all due respect, IMO GBC’s cunning has pulled the wool right over your eyes if you believe for a minute he had not INTENDED to murder Allison and use her insurance to sort out his financial problems. I can’t believe that you actually believed his denials that he was serious about his very detailed promise to Toni – down to a date. This time as he said himself, she must leave it to him to sort out and he intends to keep his promise. Don’t just look at what he SAID – look at what he DID – he stuck to that plan – he was very serious indeed about that final promise to Toni.

      GBC and Allison had major marital problems, yet never even raised their voices, so a sudden change to a physical life and death fight in the wake of his promises to Toni is very significant. No accident IMO.

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        • That takes me back to the original idea that he did this for the money, coldly and callously, the same way he spoke on the stand, the same way he acted in the days after her death. The reason for doing it that night is because he knew Allison wouldn’t forgive him twice for the Toni thing, so making sure they didn’t meet up was imperative. How bad would a divorce for infidelity look? How much would that tarnish his precious ‘public image’? Everything that man did was calculated. I believe it was murder but I don’t believe it was for Toni, it was for him. Money and Image. He just didn’t do things for other people. He’s not wired that way.

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            • Not towards the end. The ‘scared of leaving her stuff was 2010’ I believe, long before the affair was exposed. As of April 2012, she had his balls in a vise. She was stronger, even by GBC’s explanation. He couldn’t go to meetings at night without her approval, she kept tabs on him via the app, she checked his phone (his claim), she went back to work to keep an eye on him during the day… By all accounts, his freedom was gone. This happening twice and her finding out? She’d be gone… Or at least threaten to go. She believed he was committed to making their relationship work. Finding out he wasn’t would have clinched it I believe. This exact same situation is happening in my life right now. 2 years ago when it was first exposed, the woman bought his lies and stayed with him. Finding out last week that he was still doing it? She trying to leave because she realised who he is and he’s stalking her and threatening her.

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                • Forget to comment on your ‘strong and getting stronger’ reference LJC which leads me to my original opinion (Shit! she says).

                  By most accounts she was getting strong and getting stronger….agreed.

                  Her chosen Relationships Aust Counsellor had given them …..the dodgy… relationships advice of Allison unloading on him for 15 minutes of every day and him copping it without a word.

                  Maybe….just maybe…. he decided enough was enough of the unloading and told her a few of home truths (his Ego kicking in) about what he’d been thinking of her for a number of years (back to the Diary) and her new found ‘strength’ lashed out at him after years of being downtrodden, (cue…”I am woman hear me roar”) opening up his face and perhaps trying to keep going at him?

                  Big man (with no fighting ability just trying to hold her down)…small woman…all over in possibly seconds.

                  Everything else that happened after that is just the dunce kicking in again.

                  Do you think it’s a possible scenario?

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          • Agreed LJC – Toni was likely just a convenient ‘landing place’. Quite likely they may not have lasted. Benefit no 3 if you like. The 2 main ‘benefits’ to the actions GBC took from GBC’s point of view were getting Allison’s insurance money to settle his debts with and secondly being rid of a wife he no longer wanted without his dirty washing being aired in a divorce. Having a hot lover waiting in the wings must have been convenient – so 3 planets aligned…..or perhaps rather 3 chunks of dark matter….

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        • Oh I think she DID believe he was serious, only she will not ADMIT it now in the wake of a murder, because it will make her look more culpable.

          She pushed very hard after that promise on every possible front to ensure he stays on track and does not get cold feet like in the past. I doubt she had envisaged murder, but she had enough of being 2nd fiddle and she wanted to ensure he keeps this promise. Hence the volatile outbursts, the pressure….the insistence that come hell or high water, Allison better not be at that conference…..she was putting him on the spot and keeping him to his promise. And he kept to his horrible plan!

          She did help precipitate Allison’s murder, but likely unknowingly. She will have to live with that on her conscience.

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            • I have a feeling using the Bruce Overland email was something that was never supposed to come out because he was never supposed to be a suspect. I know I keep repeating that but it’s because in his mind, he was smarter than the police. In his plan, he never had scratches. In his plan, his suicidal wife walked off into the night to kill herself OR she met with a random attacker and was the victim of foul play. He collected the insurance money, he played with toni a bit more then dropped her like a hot potato and moved onto the next one using the ‘my wife killed herself’ or ‘my wife was murdered by a stranger’ to play on women’s sympathies. Probably to meet a vulnerable but wealthy woman. The scratches were his undoing. And I’ve just realised how cynical I’ve become from having had two of these nightmares in my life. Forgive me please.

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              • YES JJC! You’re onto him. He is very cunning indeed.
                Yes, Bruce Overland was not meant to become exposed (that’s why the secret alias existed after all), and yes he underestimated the fight Allison would put up – hence the unplanned battle scars the next day.

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            • I don’t like seeing this thing that is going on.Placing labels on individuals who participate in this blog and it will stop. Healthy debate is good, this stuff is getting old.

              Nobody is forced to like or dislike another here, but sometimes it is better to keep opinions of others here to ones self.

              I want lurkers and those considering joining in to feel like they can without fearing they will get labelled for their opinions or style.

              Any problems folks email me!

              Cheers Robbo

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    • Please, let’s hope so. I’m hoping that one of the jurors maps out the points as to show intent on a whiteboard so that the dots are joined and firmly tricked off in the minds of those who are struggling.
      I don’t even want to think about him getting anything less than murder!
      Then let the police go after the big BWANA for helping him toss the body away like a sack of potatoes. Disgusting animals.

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    • I’m with you bellabrissie – MURDER – looks like he has successfully deceived some with his cunning testimony that he was not serious about Toni and the promises he made to Toni about sorting out his finances and coming to her a “free man” (maybe separated in her mind – I think widower in his) by 1 July was just nonsense. He lies a lot, but one can distinguish which are lies from which are not by watching what he DOES. IMO this denial of the seriousness of that plan is a GBC TRAP!!! I think he was very serious, hence his attempt to deny in court his affair with Toni was serious. It was. He may not have married and lived happily ever after with her in the long run, but he was indeed very taken by her and could not stay away from her! He was distinctly more serious about Toni than his other flings – hence him keeping going back, and made Toni a detailed promise and gave her a date by which he INTENDED to have finalized his plan. He INTENDED fixing his financial mess and being free of Allison. Only one way to achieve both those. He says she must ‘leave IT to him’ – ie he has a plan. A plan he had. A horrible MURDEROUS one.

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      • Toni’s problem was that she just kept hanging around playing the game. All of his other ‘flings’ appear to have kicked that ass to the kerb.

        Toni just kept making herself available to him. He would have had no intention of leaving home for something as easy as that.

        He pursues women…..Toni was pursuing him.

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        • BR I respectfully disagree, GBC did not behave as he did in the case of the minor flings with Toni – yes she was equally infatuated with him, but HE kept going back too. He could not get enough of her. GBC wanted to be with Toni. Maybe not forever, but for the foreseeable future. Don’t just look at what he said, look where his mouth and his feet were pointing in the same direction. He reiterated he loved her and he INTENDED keeping a very detailed promise – down to the date. And the ONLY circumstance that would enable him to keep this promise – get enough $$ to settle his imminent 30 June debts AND allow him to be a ‘free man’ – that very situation happened! He made it happen. GBC is a very cunning liar and manipulator. He lies a lot and he is even using that to his advantage, by getting people to believe the very incriminating evidence of his promises to Toni, were just lies. Don’t be deceived that he did not mean that promise. He did IMO. And sadly we all know what his plan was. The unemotional man who never even raises his voice in an argument’s wife is dead – murdered and discarded like a piece of rubbish. Unacceptable.

          Allison deserves justice, and I am going to expect until the last minute that is what the jury will deliver. It is utterly pointless having a jury system if a jury can not give a murder verdict unless they have a signed confession form the perpetrator. That is seldom the case. Lies and coverups will be the norm in most cases. They have to sort through the truth and fiction and work out what the ACTION that was taken is consistent with. MURDER in this case, IMO.

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          • OK RIP Allison I accept that at first view they both wanted to be together.

            My problem with that still involves both of them saying that there was very little chance of that actually happening.

            Especially without Allison being around, he would have been truly free and not just getting a bit of easy crumpet on the side.

            But…I will accept the Jury’s decision.

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            • Hi BR, it is clearly in both their interest to play down their intention to be together by 1 July – it is very incriminating indeed.

              So neither is going to admit this. Toni just fessed up to the minimum each time she was interviewed – had to be specifically asked about stuff she omitted before she mentioned any more than she had to. So do not think she has told all.

              Actions speak louder than words.
              Look at her actions. She did all in her power to have him keep to his word. Put massive pressure on. Including issuing an order that Allison is not to come to the conference.
              Look at his actions – was he serious about his promise? Did he enact a plan that will enable him to settle his debts and be a ‘free man’ by 1 July? YES he did!

              I think don’t be fooled by the abundance of red herring lies and deceptions – keep focusing on what words and circumstances the actions that followed align with….

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  34. Strange how the bed was made if he was so rushed getting ready. The last thing you wld worry about is making the bed especially with your missing! (We know it wasn’t slept in)

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  35. Good morning all, one day to go, hope you are enjoying your weekends and getting stuff done! (the stuff we have been putting off, you know what I mean, away from the computer!!! Cheers

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  36. bellabrissie, upon awakening this morning, I thought to myself, I must thank bellabrissie for the learning opportunity.

    Thank You.

    As an overly emotional person, and a slightly obsessive one also, Allison’s death has been something difficult for many of us on many different levels, I realise. Posters come here for their own reasons and there is no written contract with specific behavioural or input criteria. I have never been in any doubt that this is a crime blog. It is the reason I am here. As for how others individually feel internally about a murder, I can not know, but presumed or assumed (there is that funny little term about that word ‘assume’ because it can make an ass-out-of-u-and-me), that people came together here for pretty much the same reason. I still think that.

    However, the reason I am thanking you is because you gave me the slap in the face I perhaps needed. As I waffled about in another post, this is the first time I have been involved in a ‘blog’, and I appreciate that our Big Brother ‘Robbo’ has provided the opportunity. I have perhaps incorrectly shown too much of my overly emotional self and offended others in doing so. This site has provided an avenue, in a way, as a sort of therapy. I can’t take away the pain of those I know who are suffering intensely, or help to ease it so maybe in a way this site has helped as an outlet when feeling useless. I grieve for those suffering and I probably still grieve for my sibling who died as a result of another’s actions.

    Being conscious of my actions and words on others, I apologise to those who like bellabrissie, gained the impression that I felt I had exclusivity on compassion or caring for Allison, which couldn’t be further from the truth because I see the pain and suffering of those who truly loved her, and imagine the majority who take the time to post here, have equal or greater empathy than I. When stumbling upon this site, it was the compassion and community outrage shown regarding Allison’s death (its nature – wrong, unfair, hideous, outrageous, inhumane and unforgiveable) and for others who have suffered similarly, that drew me in, that drew me in.

    Again, my apologies to any readers I may have offended with my posts and if I appeared to take a superior stance with the exclusivity that bellabrissie spoke of, and also another poster who suggested I was in the wrong forum. I wasn’t aware that the genre of my posts were ill-placed because I can’t separate crime from emotion and the person however I respect their opinion.

    Now I haven’t consciously given bellabrissie’s and the other bloggers messages too much head time, but as research suggests, clarity is ours first up in the morning and my unconscious brain provided clarity of thought upon waking this morning.

    Fingers, toes and everything else crossed that tomorrow brings something concrete for Allison’s family and friends.

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    • LF we are all a bit on edge and I’m sorry I came across so harsh to you. I feel bad for that because at the end of the day, we all in solidarity, have but one wish that justice prevails for Allison, her girls, parents, family and friends.
      A charge of Murder is the only option I see befitting this crime.
      May he one day soon come to realise what he has done and at what cost and rot in AG a lonely (forgotten by his girls) weak, scared and sorry little man,

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    • LF like you I get quite emotional about it & have to check myself when I know I am going on & on about it to people not on here. A friend was here the other night & we were having a discussion about it…I was adamant, him not so sure. My son later said “I heard you have a debate about Gerard & I turned around & went back downstairs” …oops I thought maybe I need to be less passionate. Luckily he is a dear friend & no ill feelings.
      You have every right to feel passionate but please do not get like me & let it rule your days! I have the best man on the planet who fully supports me & knows I won’t rest until that verdict comes in…then back to business as usual. He sat there not making a peep during the discussion & then quietly spoke up & said he did it for the money. So there you go. He listens to me & nods & smiles….
      Thank you for your input LF…you belong here just as much as anyone who wants to see justice for Allison xx

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  37. I tend to agree with BR that each individual circumstance pointing to murder is capable of being explained on the basis of manslaughter. However that is not how a circumstantial case is to be considered. The judge would have instructed the jury that they have to look at the circumstantial evidence that they accept and consider the cumulative effect of those circumstances to see if the cumulative effect is sufficient to exclude an unintentialon killing beyond a reasonable doubt. The circumstances indicating murder rather than manslaughter include:-

    1. financial difficulties that would be solved by her death (motive for intentional killing);
    2. desire to be with TM (again motive for intentional killing). I do not accept his denial of intending to be with her in the future for a number of reasons. Firstly he had busted up with her before but couldn’t stay away. He secretly (via covert email account) gave her a commitment to be with her by a specific date, something he had never done before. The commitment was to come to her unconditionally having sorted his finances(statement of TM, but not sure if that came out in evidence to jury). The only way that could be achieved was through insurance. Selling the business was never going to solve his finances.

    3. He followed through on that by maintaining the relationship with TM after ABC was ‘missing’. His evidence that he just wanted her to go away is nonsense. If that was the case why would he secretly contact her via public phones when he knew how bad that looked ie telling her that ‘we need to lay low’. That further evidences his intention to remain with TM despite his wife ‘love of his life’ being ‘missing’.

    4. Fear of being exposed as a philanderer and failed business man. Fear of consequences of divorce (separation from kids, financial consequences). All provide further motive for intentially killing.

    5. If one accepts that he had killed ABC and disposed of her body then that behaviour is so utterly callous and outrageous that it is inconsistent with manslaughter and only consistent with a deliberate killing. If you had unintentionally killed someone you loved and left there body decomposing on the bank of a creek, you would not be maintaining a secrete relationship with someone you just wanted to “go away”. Particularly when you knew how bad that looked. That behaviour, in my view, is only consistent with his earlier stated commitment to be with her unconditionally and achieved through a deliberate killing.

    6. Whilst an unintentional cause of death cannot be excluded scientifically, it remains highly unlikely. If it was strangulation or suffocation then it had to be intentional because of the time and effort to cause death in that way. Other mechanisms are possible on the evidence. For it to be unintentional the only reasonable mechanism I can think of is a push causing a fall resulting in death via sub dural (brain) injury. Extremely unlikely because falls rarely result in death. Extremely unlikely because a relatively minor brain injury would take some time to cause death. A major brain injury sufficient to cause death quickly would be highly likely to cause skull fracture.

    7. It is easy to say panic may explain all the post offence conduct (lies, disposal of body) as being consistent with an unintentialy killing. But when you consider the utter callousness of such conduct, the degree of effort required to dispose of a body, the length of time which that conduct (lies) has been maintained and the sheer capacity to persist with such conduct (lies about razor cuts) if the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary if is, in my view, much more consistent with an intentional killing than an unintended killing. It also shows that he is a person who is so callous, selfish and uncaring that he at least has the capacity to intentionally kill someone and try to get away with it.

    Whether the jury consider the cumulative effect of all the above circumstances is sufficient to exclude an unintentional killing we shall see. But in my book they do.

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    • Thanks Ramjet.

      Gotta go and do a few tasks.

      Re F…..’Vagal Inhibition’ was never brought up. DPP because they wouldn’t want to preferring the lengthy mechanisms of suffocation/strangulation (disregarding the unremarkable Hyoid Bone) and Defence because they weren’t arguing down that track. Your thoughts on a possibility of VI which could have seen the whole thing done with in a couple of seconds?

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      • In my view VI is such an unlikely cause of death that when combined with the other circumstances is not such as to cause me to have a reasonable doubt that it was murder. VI would also not cause bleeding as is evidenced by the blood in the car. therefore there would need to be both VI and a fall to cause death and bleeding. that makes it even more unlikely. The apparent quantity of blood in the car can not be explained by post mortum bleeding in my view.

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        • Thanks Ramjet.

          Although ( :-) ) in any half decent ‘blue’ there’s going to be multiple swipes, swings, grabs, pushes, holds etc etc in the sheer pandemonium of it all. It won’t be to the Marquess of Queensberry rulz as I’m sure you’d know.

          If that is the case, a busted lip, nose etc could easily bleed and cause significant quick decomposition of that area…….which the Autopsy Report shows)

          The VI (if it occurred) would have been in the closing act via a close and constricting hold.

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    • Excellent Ramjet!
      And good thinking many others
      Can not work the “like” thingo
      I think TF and a few others nailed it – Allison was in a different space in early 2012 – youngest child in prep, having dealt with the affair, back in the business with the three money lending friends reassured that she was, a competent smart woman keen to build the propert management side, perhaps enough of personal assets and support to take that on, really not forgiving if GBC had blown his chance at redemption – she would have been in the space to move on and up – leaving GBC with only his dreams of success.
      Very strong motive to remove her.
      I don’t know how quickly that became clear to GBC or how much premediation was involved but the unmasking of a narcissist is to be avoided at all costs.
      Leave TMH alone – she has her own tragedy to bear and we have all made mistakes – big and bigger.
      The judge, police, lawyers, jurors are trying to do their best too.
      And honour to Allison and her family

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  38. I am fairly new to your site and have enjoyed reading it everyday. One thing I haven’t heard anyone talk of yet is the possibility that the girls may have been drugged? Hear me out. If he needed to move her from A to B and the little ones were asleep, would he have given them anything to ensure they slept deeper/longer to allow him more time to move her? Just a thought I had. Did the police ever drug test the girls? Take pillowslips for testing in case he used them to smother her? And where do you all think he got rid of something like a tarp (to put the body oink in the car) and the phone? What are your thoughts?

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  39. Re vagal inhibition
    By itself must be as rare as rocking horse poo.
    It can happen with manual strangulation.
    Hyoid bone fracture and bruising
    Is more usually associated with hanging, ligature strangulation, garotting etc – not necessarily associated with manual strangling and not at all with suffocation.
    Re bleeding – an associated mouth cut (chipped tooth at the same time), nose
    Bleed is not surprising – with some

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      • Thanks Donna.

        Which leaves manual strangulation…..which should show significant related bruising or suffocation which would take a fairly long time depending on what was used. Most people say a pillow, but that would probably take a day and a half (try breathing through one). Plastic bag…easily torn while his hands are holding the bag and not many other ‘fight’ type injuries on the body.

        Curious and curiousier.

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        • No it wouldn’t, as too much time had elapsed. However, thanks for bringing that up, as an area of a body that has damage like strangulation or suffocation, that area decomposes earlier. bingo! Her throat and face decomposed earlier. Next?

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      • Basically, because she was out in the elements so long, 11 days, she had decomposed to a point that they couldn’t confirm death by suffocation. But they couldn’t confirm death by any means by then. However. If an area if the body I’d injured, that tends to decompose quicker. Hello! It’s the face and neck.

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        • Mouth, lip, tongue, tooth type injuries bleed profusely. I suspect something happened in the car. Either he banged her face on something causing a secondary injury, or he thought she was dead but she was just blacked out and came to in the car, and then they had a major life and death struggle in the back of the car – resulting in the blood evidence.

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          • I have considered that ironing he says that he was doing. Not necessarily as an immediate cause of death but he could have wrapped it, has a handle, heavy, nasty. May explain facial/head injury. He could than have strangled. Hate writing this. But liars often leave seeds of truth in their statements.

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  40. If I was a member of the jury, once I had concluded he killed her I would convict of murder. Firstly because for all the reasons stated I think it is proved BRD (the legal route). Secondly even if I had a reasonable doubt regarding murder v manslaughter his conduct both pre and post ‘incident’ is so dispicable that I would convict him of murder anyway (the non legal route).

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  41. We’ll I’m sure we can all stand up for ourselves if he bullies us. I personally have never seen it. Everyone on here has different opinions, we are not minions all under the spell of one grand master. I think you should stop picking on BR because I’m sorry to say its you who looks like the bully not him. Sorry but I’m tired of reading your attacks at his comments (mostly bland comments too I might add).

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      • I know right. Even having conversations between themselves now. I saw a show on dr phil once about a girl who did this, faked a pregnancy to get attention, made up Facebook friends and chatted amongst them (all her mind you) bit sad really.

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          • LJC2013, I might go into Blog Retirement temporarily until everything settles down. A few people have been bullying each other which is a concern, so don’t worry if I disappear off here for a little while, I’ll be back when everything has settled down.

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              • Guilty of Murder – reason. Because I believe he suffocated Allison and to suffocate a person takes approx 4 minutes. During this long time, he could have made a conscious effort to desist and he did not. He INTENDED to kill her. Also the pile of circumstantial evidence, finances, Toni, etc, etc…
                IMO of course

                *** I thought I’d replied to your post here ramjet! but I see my reply posted further up the page, as did LJC’S***

                Robbo, is there an issue with WP?

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                  • Yes, tried that and the reply took on it’s own life form by way of a new comment lol
                    Ahhhh doesn’t matter, probably a glitch

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                    • See Robbo!? This was in direct reply to your answer re replies and posts, and this has come up as a new comment :/

                      ( edit from robbo press f5 whilst on this page to do a full refresh every few minutes it should sort out)

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                • devils advocate! but if suffocation:- then there is no reason for the quantity of the blood in the car. I think it some sort of blunt force trauma, perhaps concluded by suffocation, to finish the dastardly dead. the quantity of blood in the car is very telling. it was in the back seat and was a significant quantity. If it was an earlier injury there is no reason she would have remained positioned in the back seat/boot to bleed that much. it is only consistent with having been deposited by her dead and bleeding g body having been placed in that location. therefore not suffocation alone!

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                  • Inclined to agree ramjet… Is it possible the head injury came second though? Maybe her scalp was opened up by something it hit in the carport or something within the car door? Could she have been pushed in so hard it split her scalp? Can you bleed still after the heart stops beating? The only reason I say that is coz no blood found in house or back deck.

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                    • Yes LJC, remember the other day at lunch Kmum said this very thing about hitting Allison’s head on the bolts or lock mechanism on at the rear door…very possible indeed and head wounds do bleed profusely

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                    • both extremely opinionated to boot! which I like in a person. but they would make a passionate couple! except BR seems to have IV in the the back of his mind. ICandy should be careful when involved in kinky sex

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                    • Hahaha… Ramjet, do you have a background in forensics, law or similar? You have a broad knowledge base which is pretty impressive and clearly honed analytical skills :)

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                    • I have 98% of a math/science degree from years ago and now a criminal barrister. I could tell you some stories about your love TF. I had a look at your blog site. You are obviously a very very brave and insightful person. As you will have gathered by my pleading the 5th I prefer to retain my privacy online but admire your courage to put it all out there:- minor blemishes and all. I was a little bit fascinated as to why you invested so much time and effort into the GBC trial given your other commitments. What was it that motivated such commitment to the cause?

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                    • Ramjet, what a lovely thing to say! Thank you. If it’s ok, I’d like to address a few of those things :) First of all, I suspected you were a barrister of some kind! Do you enjoy your job and which side are you on? :P I’m a bit jealous, I think if I wasn’t a designer, I’d like to be a barrister or involved in the justice system somehow.

                      I just found out mum and brother teach TF’s son at school. Was disappointed to find out he had grown children so can strike him off the future husbands list. Haha. Thank you for taking the time to read my blog. It started out as student stuff but somehow morphed into a bit of everything. But largely it’s there so that other students undertaking this very difficult degree can see that it’s hard for someone with over a decade worth of experience as well… And hopefully my struggles and triumphs can be a support and a guide for others :)

                      My motivation for the GBC trial was four-fold. Lol. Firstly, I was incredibly taken with Allison when I first saw her photo on the news. I can’t put it into words really (unbelievable for me, I know – haha) but there was something about her eyes and her smile and before I knew the story, my heart just ached for her. When she was found, I thought “she could have been my friend, or a colleague”… someone I could identify with. So a huge part of it was to support her family and friends. No, I didn’t know them but I didn’t think that should stop me showing support, if that makes sense? As the story started unfolding and GBC was arrested and info kept dribbling in, I started to recognise patterns in behaviour in him that were almost a carbon copy of someone I was a victim of… I alluded to it in my blog but I’ve never had the courage to put the full story out there because I believe I would be in danger by doing so. On one hand i think it would guarantee my safety. On the other, it could end badly. He was not a lover, he was my mentor. Much older than me (27 years) but the story is quite horrific. For 2 years the chaos had settled but came back to haunt me once the trial was on and as much as 2 hours ago, I’m still getting toxic emails. So for me, seeing GBC put away is symbolic of the fact that these lying, violent, misogynistic sociopaths don’t always win. They don’t always get away with it. Safety from domestic violence is a cause close to my heart. Third, my father wrote one of the legal studies textbooks we used to use in Queensland and the law has always been a passion of mine. I’d never seen a criminal trial and this one coincided with university holidays. And lastly, attitudes towards mental health is an issue that needs addressing in Australia (and indeed, all over the world) and I think this trial made a mockery of mental illness. It set attitudes back a good 50 years I think!! It’s something integrally tied to my daily life and I just hated seeing an obviously good person being put through the wringer time and time again about an illness that she had under control. It made my blood boil!! So a complex range of motivations – I wasn’t prepared for how emotionally taxing the process of waiting for a verdict would be though. Do you experience that as a barrister or is it simply ‘work is work’?

                      Ps. If you wanted to continue this discussion, the email address for all my blog correspondence is [email protected] :)

                      Thank you again for your interest and apologies for the rambling response!

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                    • Ramjet
                      I made a post to you and it obviously had a mind of it’s own and decided to lodge mid page. Anyhoo……
                      In your opinion (of course)…can I self represent in the Supreme Crt (Applications)…as Applicant.

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                    • I don’t think iCandy likes you! but that may be a circumstantial case! there is a fine line between love and hate! similar to the fine line between murder and manslaughter! maybe she really loves you deep down.

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                    • I promise to be free by the 1st August 3014.

                      I’ll even bung the backseats of the Kingswood down in antici……pation!

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                    • Funny you should say that ramjet “there is a fine line between love and hate!” I thought it was a case of unrequited love the way she vilified BR… But moving right along ———->

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                    • you can bleed after death but it is a lot slower because the heart is not creating blood pressure. The blood in the car looks like the source of the blood was in a position to deposit it there for a significant period of time. If she accidentally cut yourself in the 8 weeks the car had been owned prior to her death would she have remained in a position to deposit that quantity of blood in that location? that shows her bleeding body was there for an extended period. that does not necessarily prove murder over manslaughter but I have expressed by opinion on that elsewhere.

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                    • *murder or manslaughter is dependent on intent. there is nothing to suggest manslaughter.
                      *the blood inside the car suggests that either the wounding was the lower part of the body or that the head and upper body was forced down.

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                    • I hate talking about the exact mechanism of death because I know people close to ABC read this. But I suppose they have had a lot of that. It looks like too much blood to be PM to me. that either means PM splatter or as you say still alive and something more in the car. cannot possibly be an earlier injury because she would not have remained in that position to bleed that much if conscious. As crown said – don’t need to prove exact machinist of death. as defence said – only the people( plural) know how the scratches was caused!

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                  • Agreed Ramjet, more violence than just suffocation was involved.

                    Mouth, lip, tongue, tooth type injuries bleed profusely. I suspect something happened in the car. Either he banged her face on something causing a secondary injury, or he thought she was dead but she was just blacked out and came to in the car, and then they had a major life and death struggle in the back of the car – resulting in a facial injury and the blood evidence.

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  42. I think if GBC and SP met, they would have so much in common, I think SP would give him tips on how he can hide the evidence better if he wants to do it again!

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  43. Robbo, I feel a lot of tension on this website from a few different people, if I have any troubles in the future can I email you, thanks TCR.

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  44. WTF is going on!! I left here two years ago because of petty bullsh*t! This is Robbo’s site & we are visitors. Please try to act like adults instead of petty teenage girls (sorry girls). TCR…really!! You post that??

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    • I just don’t think it’s a good thing to do. I don’t know who will ring you & I don’t think you needed to say that to me. I’ve never been rude to you.

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  45. Getting back to what we are here for…….

    I CAN’T WAIT for tomorrow!!!!

    Over 2 years we have all waited to get this far and be this close for justice to be served.

    We could well have a guilty verdict tomorrow!
    BRING IT ON.

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  46. It looks like Robbo is pulling out the yellow card and booking some people. Will he pull out the red card though ? There has been some diving and dodgy tackles going on…. clearly a crackdown is in order.

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    • Yeah makes me sad when I need to, the bigger picture MUST prevail.

      This community runs best when we can debate and discuss without fears of being labelled or analysed. Save the tongue lashings for the criminals, the scumbags etc that I talk of in my about thing for this site. Not each other.

      I owe to the people who take time out of their lives to be here! Thanks guys, I am sorry for being a bit slow this weekend, I tend to miss a bit as replies are made to older comments.

      So GBC we are back on your butt now, sleep well tonight coward!

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  47. Everyone, let’s calm down, some people are arguing with each other, Robbo created this website for people who want to discuss their opinions about certain crimes and he wants everyone to respect each others opinion.

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  48. there is no need to respond or acknowledge comments you don’t like. It just gives them validation and a reason to make further comments. Stay on point ABC v GBC. Everyone is entitled to their view. if you don’t like it just ignore it or make a respectful response!

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  49. there is no need to respond or acknowledge comments you don’t like. It just gives them validation and a reason to make further comments. Stay on point ABC v GBC. Everyone is entitled to their view. if you don’t like it just ignore it or make a respectful response!

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  50. just chill out people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. if you don’t like someone else’s opinion ignore it or make a reasoned respectable argument against it! Image if the jury behaved like this! hung jury every day of the week!

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    • Wamjet yr bringing everyone under YOUR judgement!
      10 bob yr qualified to do so.
      Our posts are precisely that, opinions, not judgements.
      It could have been your daughter.

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  51. TCR lets just stick to discussion about the trial. I’m not a loaf short a few slices, so don’t try that nonsense with me ok! I won’t comment on anything else you or icandy have to say from hereonin.

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  52. anyone else notice that this crazy bickering stopped discussion about the issue we are all here to discuss! Just ignore comments you don’t agree with or make a respectful response.

    I’ll start a new issue – in 50 words or less say what verdict you would give and why?

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  53. Guilty of Murder – reason. Because I believe he suffocated Allison and to suffocate a person takes approx 4 minutes. During this long time, he could have made a conscious effort to desist and he did not. He INTENDED to kill her. Also the pile of circumstantial evidence, finances, Toni, etc, etc…
    IMO of course

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  54. Hi guys have been “lurking” for two years and didn’t know how to join in. Watching the current bickering and I guess we are all at the stress point worrying about the ultimate outcome as we countown to the verdict. Please don’t be tough on each other, love to read what you all have to say. Hopefully tomorrow we will get the Guilty result and that we so believe in.

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    • Welcome, Gumshoe Girl :) I think the bickering has been resolved now but tensions definitely riding high. Are you confident of a murder conviction this week? Or do you think the jury will go Manslaughter? We are all holding our collective breaths I think!

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    • Welcome gumshoe girl!
      I totally agree with you.

      Let’s move forward with positive thoughts of Allison this week…
      It will be what it will be… and I’m hoping for a big dose of karma.

      Can’t wait to yell and cheer and scream at work the guilty verdict when I hear it.

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  55. I have done some research on suffocation and the primary way of identifying is bleeding from the eyes. Flegg’s report on the screams which were unfortunately not a point of interest in the trial was that they were reverse crescendo and there was a short time between the two screams. If this was in fact, Allison it also means that the person had time to consider their actions.

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  56. Ramjet

    Got any knowledge of ‘Applications’ in the Supreme Crt? Can I (theoretically) self represent?

    (Nothing to do with here…if anyones getting paranoid)

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            • Speaking of self-representation, Jodi Arias (poster child for narcissism and sociopathy) has decided to represent herself in her upcoming retrial of the penalty phase of her trial… It’s a death penalty case. She’s lost the plot. And it’s going to be televised :-/ … 20 more days of listening to JA waffle on…

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    • Anyone can represent them self. depending on how complex the issues are it can be better to represent yourself IMO. because the judge can become your advocate. If very complicated and a lot of money involved I would advise to at least consult a lawyer.

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