Abdul Numan Haider shot dead by anti-terrorist officers

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No wonder the authorities are asking for calm after the shooting death of a Abdul Numan Haider. I must say that it may make any other young impressionable people being drawn into the filth that is called ISIS and their so-called goals to THINK AGAIN.

Police have every right to defend themselves and ask questions later. Think about what would have happened if this bloke walking into a doctors, or school, or office? It is NOT ON

Officials name Abdul Numan Haider as man shot dead by anti-terrorist officers

Wed 24 Sep 2014, 2:17p

Senior law enforcement officials have named the 18-year-old man who was shot dead after stabbing two officers from the Joint Counter Terrorism team outside a Melbourne police station last night.

Abdul Numan Haider was the “person of interest” who was expected to attend an interview at the Endeavour Hills Police Station when the incident occurred, senior law enforcement sources confirmed.

Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay said Haider, who was under investigation and had his passport cancelled, was allegedly seen last week with an Islamic State flag.

“There’s certainly information that he was present at the shopping centre in the last week or so with the flag that appeared to be an ISIS flag,” Chief Commissioner Lay said.

“It’s not an offence but clearly it drew our attention to this person and we had a conversation with this person.”

Haider, whose family are from Afghanistan, had also been associated with the radical Islamic group called Al-Furqan.

It is understood he had recently moved away from the group.

Based in Springvale, in Melbourne’s south-east, associates of Al-Furqan were the targets of terrorism raids by Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police in 2012.

Chief Commissioner Lay said Haider attacked a police officer who tried to shake his hand outside the station, and then stabbed another officer, about 7:40pm (AEST) on Tuesday.

“When our police members have approached this young man, one’s extended his hand to shake his hand and the response has been he’s been stabbed in the arm,” he said.

“The attacker’s then turned on the second police member and stabbed him three or four times in the body and in the head.

“The first wounded member has then shot and killed the young man.”

One of the injured officers is from the Australian Federal Police (AFP) and the other is a Victoria Police member, they were both rushed to hospital.

Chief Commissioner Lay said both police officers required surgery.

The ABC has been told that Haider had made threats against the Prime Minister, however AFP Acting Commissioner Andrew Colvin said no specific threats were made.

“This is early stages of an investigation … What I will say is and what I can be very confident on is there were no specific threats made,” he said.

Haider’s car is parked at a childcare centre next to the police station and the area is locked down.

Natalie Morales, who works at the childcare centre, said staff were unable to contact parents this morning to tell them the facility was closed, because the contact lists were in the building.

“That can happen anywhere around Australia, unfortunately it happened next door to the childcare I work at,” Ms Morales said.

“Even if it happened during the day, we have a pin code that only the staff and families know, so no-one can access the centre even if we had children in the centre.”

Abbott speaks to family of injured officers

Speaking in Hawaii while en route to a UN Security Council meeting in New York, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the Melbourne incident was “nasty” and showed the threat from extremists was real.

“Obviously, this indicates that there are people in our community who are capable of very extreme acts,” he said.

“It also indicates that the police will be constantly vigilant to protect us against people who would do us harm.”

Mr Abbott said he had spoken to the wives of both police officers involved.

Chief Commissioner Lay said the stab wounds to the police officers were significant and required surgery, but that both officers were in a stable condition this morning.

“Our AFP colleague underwent surgery overnight for some significant injuries, he’s come through that surgery it appears pretty well, he’s in a serious but stable condition,” Chief Commissioner Lay said.

“Our Victorian Police member has had quite a significant stab wound to his arm, I understand he’ll undergo surgery today to repair some ligament and nerve damage.

“So the physical injuries will heal quick enough and obviously we need to think about the psychological stuff and give these people as much support as we possibly can.”

Victorian Premier urges community to unite

Victorian Premier Denis Napthine said it was important that the incident did not divide the community.

“Let me make it very, very clear, one of the greatest strengths, one of the greatest assets we have here in Victoria is our harmonious, diverse, multi cultural, multi-faith community,” Dr Napthine said.

“We need to preserve and protect that. We need to enhance and build on that.

“We shouldn’t let a single incident divide that. We need to show each other respect, be tolerant and remain united.”

He said authorities were working together to ensure the safety of the community.

“It is imperative that we do all that we can to reassure all members of the Victorian community that everything is being done to protect our safety and making sure that our community continues to work together as a whole Victorian community,” Dr Napthine said.

Islamic leaders criticise police investigation

Leaders of Melbourne’s Islamic community have criticised police over their investigation into the fatal shooting.

Gaith Krayem from the Islamic Council of Victoria said police were quick to jump to conclusions.

“I was disappointed with the immediate press conference police held last night. It was held three hours after the event, and they drew conclusions immediately,” Mr Krayem said.

“There needs to be a proper process as there always should be when police are involved in a fatality.”

What we do know is that there’s an 18-year-old young man who is dead this morning, there are two police officers in hospital, there is a family who is grieving.

Gaith Krayem

Mr Krayen said the public needed to reserve their judgement until a full and objective investigation has taken place.

“Immediately, individuals such as this unfortunately are given these labels of a radical, or a terrorist, or an extremist,” he said.

“Unfortunately, because of the environment we’re in, as soon as you label somebody like that, people don’t want to then question what occurred.

“We don’t know really what happened when this young man arrived at the police station.

“What we do know is that there’s an 18-year-old young man who is dead this morning, there are two police officers in hospital, there is a family who is grieving.”

57 thoughts on “Abdul Numan Haider shot dead by anti-terrorist officers

  1. Do you have an update on Michael Issakidis … it’s in the courts atm

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  2. The police need to be ready to shoot these evil monsters first and ask questions later.
    The minister responsible for letting them in this country should hang for treason.


  3. I’m not sure who the Dumb ones are , the Muslims or the Aussies ,both I guess because from where I stand , ISIS is Not an Islamic outfit in any way shape or form ,but it seems the Radical Muslims don’t care either way they just follow the blood , but for the poor stupid Aussies that think ISIS is an Islamic whatever ,I say think again ,this is just another big PSY-OP , and it is run by the Zionist Scum , the Leader Abu -al Baghadadi is a Jew With Israeli parents ,he has 6 or so Alias’s and he was a prisoner in Iraq until Obama or Bush let him out , So this is a JEWISH PSY-OP funded by Israel and now run by the Mossads nothing to do with ISLAM or the Caliphate just 100 % Zionist ,wake up dumb Goyim our rights are being stripped away because of this .

    Anyone who is happy to give up freedom for security ,Deserves Neither and that is what they will get . . It is now blatantly obvious that Hitler was right about the Jews as it was them who invented Communism ,they Took over Hong Kong and dealt Opium ,they helped kill 70 million innocents after gun legislation , and it is them the rotten lying poor defenceless JEWS that are Running China USA Canada New Zealand Germany France and a whole host more ,, I’ll live free or die on my feet the Anzacs fought for freedom , but we are slaves soon we will have all possessions removed , RE Agenda 21 , as Hitler said ” One Day My Spirit Will Rise and the World Will See That I Was Right WWW BAGHADADI IS A JEW , …………..WWW HOLOHOAX DEPROGRAMMING COURSE >>….. 10 reasons why Hitler was one of the good guys ,@digger for truth .


  4. Blah blah blah bob my opinion is you talk rubbish this is not about Hitler or the jews etc its about an unstable young man that was impressionable for all the wrong reasons a time bomb ready to go off and he did and paid the price. The police had every right to defend themselves after all he viciously attacked them with intent to kill. He came off second best alright and anymore of these fools that think they can behave in this stupid way better think again let this be a warning to all these morons the police will do what is right. I have no sympathy for a hate filled radical that threatens everyone elses life and thinks he has the frigin right to without the repercussions.


  5. Cheers, Reagan – Well said, and I second that!…….. This is a very serious wake up call, that even the Police are now very much targets and not at all safe in Australia from these radical dangerous home grown- nut job- criminal terrorist !………The Police in this latest, incident, have acted very bravely against all odds, by these unstable motivated coward murderous terrorists and should be awarded the highest bravery medals for their brave actions against stopping this violent dangerous terrorist suspect! The self inflicted death of this terror suspect, was of his own doing, by the way he didn’t surrender peacefully and intentionally threatened and attacked them with a knife , and come close to taken the very lives of the investigating police in front of a public Police Station! These Police Officers are going to have a very difficult task, from recovering from these injuries and the psychological trauma , that has gone with this terrifying deadly force arrest.. This is further proof of the dangerous nature the Police have ahead of them , getting rid of these unknown quantity Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic terror group suspects and stopping tem for good, before they get out of control on Australian soil! These criminal minded pieces of rubbish home grown Islamist Brotherhood- Ji-haddist terrorists, that justify their existence with their Black Islamic State Terror Group Flags, and on-going threats of mass terror, beheadings, and untold violence and terror, must ASAP,- be either deported or locked up in Super-Max Terrorist holding Prisons indefinitely , till they wake up to them selves, that the Australian Police Forces and Australian Defence Forces, will be taking a super strong zero tolerance approach on them all in Australia, and around the world for that matter, and will not be backing down on any of them, while they are threatening, planning and carrying out be-headings and terrorist attacks, now on our Australia Soil. And if they don’t want to accept our Aussie Anti Terror Squads- constant armed enforceable police raids and harsh new Anti Terrorism Laws on them, then go back to the part of the Middle East , they all came or trained from, and stay there!……Where now they also will not be tolerated their anymore either by the Military and will be blown out of existence for the mass evil they all are!..


  6. Hey Bob you insult aussies in your comment with a name such as Bob McDonald my guess is your name must really be Heini Kraut more like it? You cant call yourself a digger if you are not an aussie either.


  7. I can understand Bobs argument.

    This ‘war’ won’t be won by bombings. We’ve already heard on numerous occasions that it can only be won through the hearts and minds of the people.

    I think we’d be a little naive if we didn’t at least consider that people like Numan Haider are nothing more than ‘useful idiots’….a description used going back to the Jane Fonda/Vietnam days.

    In who’s interest is it to coerce people like Numan Haider to commit acts of atrocity against an entire country? Numan Haider was no ‘sleeper’, from all accounts he was a bit of a nutjob who could be easily led on any path.

    I think it’s wise to at least consider that our ‘hearts and minds’ might be being manipulated with the use of a few ‘useful idiots’.


  8. Hey Guys bag me out all you like it just shows how ignorant you are to the truth ,SO How Many of you have searched Bagadadi is a jew ? or the connection to ISIS the Godess ,? and IS – RA – El ,

    Not many I bet but your happy to bag me out ? Like I say Condemnation Without Investigation is the Height of Ignorance .,

    This is all linked to the Jewish State the illegal State of IISIS RA AND ELOHIM ,Think about who founded Australia ? who were the first Governors and Judges ect , = Jews Who runs and founded Tamworth JEWS who are way over represented in All Australian Governments ? Jews <and Don't give me that Antisemetic Bull shit I don't hate anyone But I despise Liars who have Stolen Australia , it's clear that the Holohoax was done to enable Global control by Israel and their Zionist stooges , look at all the Zionist Jews in crucial positions in Australia ,And Abbott and his band of cryptic jews ,Jesuits are not Catholic unless your ignorant to the truth .

    This is all being done to give Muslims already tarnished Hell and so ultimately they can continue killing Palestinians ,and rebuild the Dome Ect , it's all there in your face you just have to look ISIS is the Statue Of Liberty ,or Mother Mary ,the Jews took over catholic churches in 1952 .

    And ther are many muslims who have jewish blood or have converted to the Talmudic way ,all informed People would by know of the JEWISH Talmud ,and what it says about all non jews the Goyim , Like Quote " all Non JEws were put on this earth to serve the jews ,put here in Human form so we wouldn't have to be served by beasts ", or Kill even the best of Goyim " or Sex with syr old girl is ok ,it is nothing , not unlike a poke in the eye her virginity will come back " or it is punishable for a goy to kill a jew , but if a jew kills a goy it is no crime "

    So Did the Anzacs fight so we could be taken over by lying gutless jewish scum that are involved withSatanic Ritual Abuse ? Jews didn't get kicked out of 109 cities for being good people .

    And 97% Zionist media that's why you didn't see the Headline Nicole Kidmans fathjer Dies Amid Paedophile accusations , And of course you would know about the JEWSUIT Head found Guilty of crimes against Humanity ,or the Archbishop of Canterbury found guilty of Murder Rape of children or the pope Found Guilty of Murder Rape of children ,and the Hunting parties by the Satanic 9th circle Paedophile ring ,Hunting down naked children in forests and killing them Same people all involved .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM7qGCtAF_k&feature=youtu.be check this video from one who knows how corrupt the jews are and how freemasons have control , especially police ,they are just gutless corrupted jewish scum , I Agree Totally with Brendan O'Connell if we had more like him in this country we would be in a much better place right now .

    Hope you guys who really love Australia find out the truth before it's too late ,because it is the ignorant people of Australia that are our worst enemy ,and the enemies within just like the Zionist jews . Look at my message not me , Do some study and stop criticising and help out ? Peace !

    International Common Law Court of Justice Kevin Annett Child Rape and Murder exposed !
    Al baghadadi ISIS leader is a jew with israelii parents .


    • I agree with you 100% Bob, it’s sad that a lot of people refuse to examine the evidence regarding the guilt on the part of jews, perhaps they’re more than just brain washed/stupid/blind, maybe they are scared to death to admit that things really went down hill after the defeat of Germany in 1945 and especially after the creation of Israhell in 1948. All these people who label anyone who dares to tell the truth a hater, racist, bigot, etc., etc. will themselves one day suffer the consequences for allowing and supporting jewish control over the so-called Goyim. Jews are evil creatures and they will happily use dumb human beings and then discard them as we do rubbish.


  9. Bob by what you’ve written you sound like a conspiracy theorist.
    I believe you are a conspiracy theorist.
    Their is no actual direct evidence to say that any conspiracy theory’s are true.
    The evidence for all conspiracy theory’s existence is only circumstantial.
    Plus their is a low amount of circumstantial evidence to say that conspiracy theory’s are true.
    I don’t believe in any conspiracy theory’s Bob.
    Their is very little evidence to say that any conspiracy theory’s are true.
    You are entitled to your opinion Bob. I respect your opinion.


    • Stop getting your opinions from butterflies.

      Look up ‘Operation Northwoods’ or ‘Operation Mongoose’ and see what our Leaders come up with.

      Welcome back by the way.


  10. Anyone who researches ISIS for more than 15 minutes will see the truth. But that first step is hard. For those that cant be bothered researching but relies on watching the Project for the daily news, just ask yourself why does ISIS fight Israel’s enemies? why does ISIS not say a word about Israel in any of their statements…..kill people from xyz countries but dont touch Israel. Why does ISIS not defend gaza? why no jihad against Israel. ohhh is it because they report to Israel. You are the fools believing this nonsense. I guess you need to re-watch Iron Man 3 to understand how it works.


  11. Hears a good one for those that think the Jews are controlling everything from financial dominance to acts of Terrorism in regards to many world events.
    The French Connections – The History of The House of Rothschild. A fair bit of reading, but goes deep into the timespan history of how the Jewish Rothschilds control the financial powers of the world, by what ever means possible, and many events in history, including the alternative theory behind World War 2 and the 9/11 Terrorist attacks of The Worlds Trade Centre and the Bush involvement.. Perhaps this is why the famous- alleged main 9/11 terror suspect al-Qaeda Taliban leader Terrorist – : Osama Bin Laden along with his very wealthy family, were once important rich Texas business partners of The one time C.I.A. Operative and later United States President : George.W.Bush and son. Could also be the reason that when Osama Bin Laden was alleged to have been hunted down after 10 long years of trying to find him, was only eventually found in his hideout in Pakistan and shot and killed by a United States special forces Seal Team 6, but his body, unlike Saddam Hussein, who was made very public during his capture, was never publically shown and the classified filming by the Seal team of his execution was later destroyed and Osama Bin Laden body thrown into a unknown location at sea. So as not to inflame more terrorist unrest in the United States, as explained by President Barack Obama in his white house speech .
    Could Osama Bin Laden, still be alive and living again in the United States?….A friend of the Jewish: Rothschilds and the Bushes?…..Why wasn’t the United States Navy many captured photos of the alleged worlds most dangerous terrorist, executed body, all destroyed on purpose and never to be made public, as proof of his well organised capture?……..I am not a conspiracy theory believer , but there is a open mind to be held on the influence and power of the Jewish connections to many historic world events up to the present , as some evidence on the subject portrays in studies on The New World Order and World financial powers in control of everything!…………….


  12. Like the – “CORRUPTION IN THE WILD WILD WEST”!……………I like this bloke Brendon O’Connell, he has got a lot of balls ,standing up to the Corrupt WA.Inc Police and The Masonic- Freemasons Lodge.!….This guy has got the guts of a 1000 men, and if only we did have a few more men stand up like him. Then we wouldn’t be in the shit were in!…….I once was asked as a then young Prison Officer in H.M.Pentridge Prison to join the Masonic Lodge, as many senior Prison Officers were in the mitre and square, but I declined, and after that didn’t go far or last very long in the Victorian Prison Service after that, If I had became a freemason, I would have gone far in my then chosen Corrections career. Knowing then what I know now, I’m glad I, I didn’t join them, and made a very wise move to be very suspicious of the behaviours of the secret society of ” Goat riders” or Masonic Lodge – Freemasons!………. .. Also watched David Icke -Rothschilds Zionism – from Dismantle The Matrix………………And :Rothschild Illuminati Conspiracy Completely Exposed 2014…………….And : OBAMA ROTHSCHILD’S CHOICE FULL FEATURE……………..And : Vladimir Putin Traitor to the New World Order. Parts 1 & 2.


  13. Good evening!
    Their is no direct evidence to prove that Gerard murdered his wife.
    Their is no scientific evidence to prove that Gerard murdered his wife.
    The scratches could be from anything.
    Being a sociopath or narcissist doesn’t make you a murderer.
    She could have walked 13km and jumped or fell off the bridge.
    I walked 20 km once and at the time I never walked past 3km.
    So it is quite plausible and logical that she walked 13km and jumped or fell off the bridge.
    We do not know a person’s most secret thoughts.
    She could have had suicidal thoughts.
    Who would know?
    When I was a teenager I had suicidal thoughts and no one knew.
    Everyone thought I was a happy and normal teenager.
    When I reached my 20s I got help and I have never been depressed since.
    She was good at hiding her emotions.
    Their was no cause of death to prove she was murdered.
    Don’t listen to her family because they will never want to believe she committed suicide.
    Family’s never want to believe their child committed suicide.
    Logic and the facts say it was a suicide.
    I believe she committed suicide.
    And Gerard believes that too.


    • You are highly ignorant about the Baden Clay case.
      Of course Gerard Baden Clay murdered his wife Allison. Look at all of the overwhelming circumstantial evidence.
      Logic and the facts say Gerard Baden Clay murdered his wife.


  14. First of all before I say anything else I say that my accusation for killing Mr Winchester is not true and is a false accusation.
    I have spent 19 years in prison for a crime I did not commit.
    I was verbally and physically abused by other inmates and the screws.
    In the beginning I had thoughts of committing suicide and I attempted it a few times.
    Over the years I became more positive and I did not suffer from depression anymore nor did I have thoughts of committing suicide.
    Prison has been both positive and negative for me.
    My personality has improved and I am not a verbally abusive arrogant man with little man syndrome anymore.
    My thoughts and prayers go out to Mr Winchester’s family.
    RIP Colin Winchester.
    Your real killer will be brought to justice one day.
    If anyone makes threats against me on this website I will be taking legal action against you.
    David Harold Eastman.


  15. In the future I may email you Roboo and we can have a private discussion!
    I may not email you though. My choice.
    But if I do I will reveal to you the truth about the ACT Judiciary and how corrupt they are.
    Their all bastards!
    I am currently planning on creating an email account. I haven’t created one yet.
    David Harold Eastman.


  16. The Mafia shot Winchester.

    If people found out where I live I could possibly be murdered myself.

    I’m disliked by a lot of people because of my accusation for murdering Mr Winchester.

    I will continue to strenuously deny the accusation.

    Jack Waterford is a friend of mine(he’s an Editor-at-large for the Canberra Times) I have known him for several years now.

    I verbally abused his wife and child years ago yet he is still my friend.

    He has never forgiven me for that.

    The ACT Judiciary is severely corrupt.

    Their needs to be an inquiry into the NSW and ACT Judiciary.


  17. I answered my own question.

    Few people if any believe I’m not guilty for murdering Mr Winchester.


  18. Paul Keating a prime minister with no university degree.

    Just a nobody who worked his way up in politics.

    Bob Hawke is a different kettle of fish.

    Hawke is a highly intelligent man with more than one university degree.

    He did the job well.

    Fraser was a useless prime minister who did a terrible job of effectively running the country.

    Whitlam was a highly intelligent man who did the job well.

    Today’s politicians would be more foolish than what they were over 19 years ago.


  19. iCandy, are you calling me a nut job?

    Their are many nut jobs commenting on this website but I’m not a nut job.

    You can think what you want.


  20. Because people believe I murdered Colin Winchester everyone is going to call me a nut job or nutcase.

    Now I know what people think of me on this website.


  21. I have never heard of an editor at large and what have the former prime ministers got to do with this? Im sceptical and am not convinced.


    • Their is nothing wrong with being sceptical.

      Believe what you want.

      I know little about modern politics.

      I worked for the public service so politics is of interest to me.


  22. People seem to believe I’m guilty of that awful crime.

    Remember after being in jail for 19 years I do not take any crap from anyone.

    Jail is hell on Earth.

    My lawyer currently has no idea I’m commenting on this website.

    I’ll speak to my Lawyer about commenting on this website and I’ll see what he says.

    It is likely that I’ll be advised to not comment on this website.

    By me commenting on this website I’m opening myself up to abuse threats etc.

    I can see that the majority of people commenting on this website are in fact criminals themselves.

    People may find it hard to believe that I am David Harold Eastman but I really am.

    If anyone threatens or abuses me on this website I will be taking legal action against you.



    • Agreed, The latest batch – D. Eastman, NBC, Anonymous (the one first appearing in Robbo’s library), maybe Antonio, possibly ‘Carl’,

      Getting a bit tiring now and interfering with readability. I wish you would cool it a bit. At the very least take the D. Eastman incarnation over to the appropriate thread.

      It’s my opinion only and is not intended as an accusation, but I think the assumption I’m making here is reasonable given the almost identical writing styles displayed by the various ‘personalities’. Give it a break huh? Thank you.


  23. My lawyer told me earlier tonight that it is my personal decision to comment on this website.

    My decision is that I will continue to comment on this website.

    Remember this website is not all about crime.

    People can discuss whatever subjects they choose such as politics, psychology, physics, etc.

    I enjoy discussing politics.

    Political questions,
    What were Bob Hawkes achievements in your opinion?

    What do you think about the Whitlam dismissal?

    How do you view Paul Keating?

    How do you view left and right wing politics in Australia?


  24. Nobody will want to communicate with you if you are uptight about being threatened or abused and then threaten the communicator with legal action that just stops everything in its tracks its just not a good start because nobody has threatened or abused you but you ard sumising that they will.


    • True.

      People have verbally abused me out on the street so it’s likely that people will abuse me on this website.

      Everyone is ok towards me at the moment, that could change with time.


  25. Australia was supposed to improve as the years flew by with the changing of PMs it was running relativley smooth when Howard was in but it was all brought undone when Julia Gillard took the reins from Krudd and poured our taxpaying dollars on that slimy country Indonesia and what the hell has indonesia done for us stuff all its caused aussies nothing but frigin grief.


  26. If anyone abuses me then I will see you in court, the person that you will see in court will be me David Eastman.

    I really am David Eastman. I’m proud of who I am and my life achievements.

    Anyway Winchester was a bastard.

    He was a bastard towards me.

    He was a bastard towards several other people.

    A bastard will always get what he deserves.


  27. Andrew Russo is a nutcase.

    Who is Andrew Russo?

    A man that used to be my neighbour.

    In December 1987, he started a verbal argument with me about parking.

    Then the psycho started punching me all of a sudden. We got into a physical fight(he started it).

    Then after the fight Russo took himself to hospital, and I went to the police to get an assault charge taken out against him.

    The police believed him and they took out an assault charge against me.

    I did not assault Russo he assaulted me.

    Russo was trying to make out to the police that I was the nutcase, when he was the nutcase not me.

    A true nutcase. I wish to never seem him again.

    During my trial the Crown used the Russo incident as one of their attempts to portray me as a psychopath, when I’m not.


  28. You are running off on far too many tangents for me to follow, but I am interested in your opinion on Mark Holden and his outstanding performances on Dancing With The Stars, also is Putin the devil ?


  29. If he wont answer I will Putin is the one of the devils decipals and as for Mark Holden hes just sending up a panel of boring wannabe perfectionists its quite amusing but Mark should keep his shirt on its been along time since his hearthrob days of the carnation throwing and hysterical girls.


  30. Bob Hawke Traitor , Gough Whitlam Traitor , Paul Keating Traitor , Left and Right wing Politics are one and the same bird the ‘ Phoenix ‘ David Eastman I Don’t think you Did it ! but enough of the ill see you in court stuff . you think Hawke was good then you are crazy See you in court ?


  31. Have to say I agree, read it all before and it’s simply tedious. But as long as the multiples have been dealt with and the site becomes readable again I’m good.


  32. TCR, What you say on here can only be taken with a grain of salt. You epitomise the boy in the fable “The Boy who Cried Wolf”. Actions really do speak louder than words and restraint from bullshit is an ‘action’.


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