Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing Thread Part IV


Kholo Creek Bridge

PLEASE REST IN PEACE ALLISON, WE ARE WITH YOU, WE MISS YOU.

Summary of first 3 days of committal hearing (courtesy of The Courier Mail)

Witnesses testify at committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay, charged with murdering wife Allison

Day two: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

Day three: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

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Witness Statements/Reports (courtesy of a fellow kind poster who has very generously allowed them to be available to all)

Phillip Geoffrey Broom – former business partner

Jocelyn Anne Frost – former business partner

Associate Professor David Wells – Head, Clinical Forensic Medicine – Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine

Constable Kieron Ash – first responder

Neil Cameron Robertson – Investigative Computer Analyst - in his element analysing the 100 phones and 50 computers/iPads

Senior Sergeant Narelle Elizabeth Curtis – second responder

Record of Interview – Transcript

000 Call – Transcript

Forensic Procedure Order

Hydrology Report

Autopsy Report

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Previous Committal Hearing Post

Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing – 11 March 2013

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Baden-Clay’s Sister Speaks (courtesy of 7 News)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVR76UPaDQ]

Update 20/03/13 Newly Released images taken the day Gerard Baden Clay reported his wife missing

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Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing Thread Part III


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Summary of first 3 days of committal hearing (courtesy of The Courier Mail)

Witnesses testify at committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay, charged with murdering wife Allison

Day two: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

Day three: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

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Witness Statements/Reports (courtesy of a fellow kind poster who has very generously allowed them to be available to all)

Phillip Geoffrey Broom – former business partner

Jocelyn Anne Frost – former business partner

Associate Professor David Wells – Head, Clinical Forensic Medicine – Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine

Constable Kieron Ash – first responder

Neil Cameron Robertson – Investigative Computer Analyst - in his element analysing the 100 phones and 50 computers/iPads

Senior Sergeant Narelle Elizabeth Curtis – second responder

Record of Interview – Transcript

000 Call – Transcript

Forensic Procedure Order

Hydrology Report

Autopsy Report

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Previous Committal Hearing Post

Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing – 11 March 2013

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Baden-Clay’s Sister Speaks (courtesy of 7 News)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVR76UPaDQ]

Update 20/03/13 Newly Released images taken the day Gerard Baden Clay reported his wife missing

Picture of  injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. Image of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. COURT-Photograph of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay's chest on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. Photograph of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay's face on the day he reported his wife Allison missingGBC injuries

Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing Thread Part II


The committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay has now adjourned after hearing evidence over the past three days and will resume again on Monday, 18 March 2013 for a further 3 days.

Summary of first 3 days of committal hearing (courtesy of The Courier Mail)

Witnesses testify at committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay, charged with murdering wife Allison

Day two: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

Day three: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

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Witness Statements/Reports (courtesy of a fellow kind poster who has very generously allowed them to be available to all)

Phillip Geoffrey Broom – former business partner

Jocelyn Anne Frost – former business partner

Associate Professor David Wells – Head, Clinical Forensic Medicine – Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine

Constable Kieron Ash – first responder

Neil Cameron Robertson – Investigative Computer Analyst - in his element analysing the 100 phones and 50 computers/iPads

Senior Sergeant Narelle Elizabeth Curtis – second responder

Record of Interview – Transcript

000 Call – Transcript

Forensic Procedure Order

Hydrology Report

Autopsy Report

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Previous Committal Hearing Post

Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing – 11 March 2013

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Baden-Clay’s Sister Speaks (courtesy of 7 News)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVR76UPaDQ]

Update 20/03/13 Newly Released images taken the day Gerard Baden Clay reported his wife missing

Picture of  injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. Image of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. COURT-Photograph of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay's chest on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. Photograph of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay's face on the day he reported his wife Allison missingGBC injuries

Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing – 18 March 2013


The committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay has now adjourned after hearing evidence over the past three days and will resume again on Monday, 18 March 2013 for a further 3 days.

Summary of first 3 days of committal hearing (courtesy of The Courier Mail)

Witnesses testify at committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay, charged with murdering wife Allison

Day two: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

Day three: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

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Witness Statements/Reports (courtesy of a fellow kind poster who has very generously allowed them to be available to all)

Phillip Geoffrey Broom - former business partner

Jocelyn Anne Frost - former business partner

Associate Professor David Wells - Head, Clinical Forensic Medicine – Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine

Constable Kieron Ash - first responder

Neil Cameron Robertson – Investigative Computer Analyst - in his element analysing the 100 phones and 50 computers/iPads

Senior Sergeant Narelle Elizabeth Curtis - second responder

Record of Interview – Transcript 

000 Call – Transcript

Forensic Procedure Order

Hydrology Report

Autopsy Report

____________________________________

Previous Committal Hearing Post

Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing – 11 March 2013

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Baden-Clay’s Sister Speaks (courtesy of 7 News)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVR76UPaDQ]

Update 20/03/13 Newly Released images taken the day Gerard Baden Clay reported his wife missing

Picture of  injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. Image of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. COURT-Photograph of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay's chest on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. Photograph of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay's face on the day he reported his wife Allison missingGBC injuries

Adrian Bayley Pleads Guilty to Rape – Not Guilty to Murdering Jill Meagher


Jill Meagher

Adrian Bayley admitted raping and strangling Jill Meagher in a Melbourne laneway, but has pleaded not guilty to her murder.  The 41 year old will stand trial in the Victorian Supreme Court after the Deputy Chief Magistrate found there was enough evidence for a jury to convict him.  Bayley pleaded guilty to one count of rape in the Melbourne Magistrates Court yesterday and not guilty to murder and another two charges of rape.

UPDATE 5TH MAY 2013

Adrian Bayley arriving at court 5th May 2013

Adrian Bayley arriving at court 5th May 2013

ADRIAN Bayley has arrived at the Supreme Court for a hearing over the death of Melbourne woman Jill Meagher, where he is expected to plead guilty to charges of murder. More to come…

Bayley, 41, pleaded guilty in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court on March 12 to one count of raping Ms Meagher.

He pleaded not guilty to her murder and two of three counts of rape.

Bayley was set to stand trial over the murder in a Brunswick laneway in September – a year after the crime that shocked the nation.

Last moments of Jill Meagher’s life

  • by: Paul Anderson – From: Herald Sun
  • March 13, 2013 8:59AM

THE man accused of murdering Jill Meagher ran out of petrol after burying the Irish-born ABC employee in a shallow grave, according to court documents.

A police summary of the case against Adrian Bayley, tendered in court, was released to the media after Bayley’s committal hearing yesterday.According to the summary, on the night of September 21 last year, while Ms Meagher was out celebrating with friends in Brunswick, Bayley was arguing with his girlfriend at Swanston St’s Lounge Bar.

The pipeline layer, 41, was arguing with her about “jealousy and possessiveness”. His girlfriend left and returned to their home in Coburg.

“The accused (Bayley) attempted to contact his girlfriend by phone; however, she refused to answer or return text messages and phone calls,” the summary stated.

Bayley left the Lounge Bar at 12.25am and caught a taxi home. There, he changed into a blue hoodie jumper, the summary said.It was about 1am when Ms Meagher, 29, left the Brunswick Green Hotel with a friend and walked to the Etiquette Bar.

Her friend left soon after, twice offering Ms Meagher a ride in a taxi. But she declined, deciding to walk the short distance home.

On her way, outside Chemist Warehouse, she asked a group of three people for a cigarette and had a “short friendly conversation” with the trio.

She then continued on her way along Sydney Rd, towards Hope St. Bayley was in the area by that stage, and saw Ms Meagher walking alone.

“(Bayley) has run up from behind Ms Meagher before slowing to a walk as he approached her.” The Police summary said

Bayley would later tell police: “I was just walking ahead of her and we’d already interacted on Sydney Rd and that’s when she rang her brother. She was actually telling me about her father.”

Ms Meagher called her brother, Michael McKeon, at 1.35am to talk about their sick father.
Mr McKeon said he would call her back in a minute or two. He would try, but his sister’s phone would ring out several times.

Ms Meagher’s husband, Tom, knew his wife was out for drinks with workmates.

At 1.37am, he sent her a text message from their home: “Are you okay?”

The Chief Crown prosecutor, Gavin Silbert, SC, told the court it was 1.38am when Bayley “accosted” Ms Meagher and “proceeded to drag her into a laneway on Hope St between Oven St and Sydney Rd, where he has raped and strangled her”.A bin and parked car in a laneway off Hope St, Brunswick, where Jill Meagher's handbag was found

Bayley later told detectives: “I actually apologised. I can’t imagine how she felt but I know how I felt. All I thought was, ‘What have I done?’ “

Mr Silbert told the court: “(Bayley) has left the body of the deceased in the laneway and returned to his home address, where he has collected a shovel and his white Holden Astra.”

At 1.47am, an extremely worried Tom Meagher sent his wife another text.

“Answer me, I’m really worried,” it read.

He sent another at 2.07am: “Please pick up.”

The court heard Bayley returned to the laneway at 4.22am and put Ms Meagher’s body into the boot of the car.

He drove to Blackhill Rd, Gisborne South, where he buried Ms Meagher by the side of the road.

“I cried, man, and I dug a hole . . . I didn’t cry for me,” Bayley told detectives.

Tom Meagher, meanwhile, had searched the Brunswick streets in vain.

Adrian Bayley as he was taken into custody in the back of a police car. Picture: Stephen Harman

“I kept trying to ring her but there was no answer,” he said in his police statement.

Bayley was driving home from Gisborne when his car ran out of petrol near the Calder Highway.

He managed to wave down motorist Dayle Watkins, who drove him to a nearby service station.

There, about 6am, he filled a jerry can with petrol.

Mr Watkins then drove Bayley back to his vehicle.

On September 27, after investigating the crime scene and gathering evidence, including CCTV footage and phone records, homicide detectives arrested Bayley.

“After investigators informed (Bayley) of the evidence implicating him, he made admissions,” the police summary stated.

“(Bayley) stated that it was due to the argument that he had had earlier in the night with his girlfriend, that (Bayley) had an angry and aggressive demeanour which he transferred onto the deceased.”

Yesterday, Bayley pleaded not guilty to one count of murder and two counts of rape.

He pleaded guilty to one charge of rape.

EDITED RECORD OF INTERVIEW WITH ADRIAN ERNEST BAYLEY TENDERED TO COURT 

Adrian Ernest Bayley

BAYLEY: You know what? I hope I never get out, because you know why I hope that, because then no one else ever has to be hurt because someone hurts me. I don’t deal with – with hurt very well. You know it wasn’t really my intention to hurt her, you know that? When we conversed, I swear to you man – I swear to I’d – I’d just – I spoke to her and she looked – she looked distraught. Does that make sense?

DETECTIVE:Yeah it does.

BAYLEY:She didn’t look happy.

DETECTIVE:Yeah it does.

BAYLEY:And I spoke to – I spoke to hear, you now and said, look, I’ll just – I’ll – I’ll help you, you know. That’s what I said to her and she was like fu… anyway it doesn’t matter. She flipped me off and that made me angry, because I was trying to do a nice thing. You know that?

DETECTIVE: Yeah yeah.

BAYLEY: She looked distraught.

BAYLEY:She looked distraught, you know. She looked like she was lost … always try to do the right thing some – you know, most of the time and I didn’t take well to her response, you know. I just don’t wanna go through it in detail. That – I can’t.

DETECTIVE: What happened to Jill?

BAYLEY:They should have the death penalty for people like me.

DETECTIVE:I can’t tell you what’s gonna happen.

BAYLEY:No well – that’s what I hope.

DETECTIVE:So you said she fobbed you off and you got angry. Tell me what happened then?

BAYLEY:Oh I just got pissed off and I actually walked off and she followed. I actually walked in front of her and she followed.

DETECTIVE:Yep.

BAYLEY:And it just got worse.

DETECTIVE:Tell me what happened.

BAYLEY:(Starts to cry) … like a big sissy man.

BAYLEY:I wanna do the right thing. It’s not fair on any of this to – it’s not fair of any of this stuff to have happened, let alone her family and stuff too.

DETECTIVE: Yeah.

BAYLEY:Not knowing.

DETECTIVE:Would you be willing to come with me and show me?

BAYLEY:I’ll try. I’ll do my best man.

DETECTIVE:I appreciate that.

BAYLEY:I’m not sure how to get there.

BAYLEY:I know what I’m saying to you. It’s not fair for this to have happened, and it’s not fair on her family and its not fair on them not knowing. It’s not fair.

DETECTIVE:Um. I understand why you don’t want to go into the detail. I understand that totally. Um how – how did she die?

BAYLEY: (Starts to cry). I strangled her.

DETECTIVE:Sorry?

BAYLEY: (Continues to cry). What have I done? What have I done man?

DETECTIVE:And where did that happen?

BAYLEY:On Hope Street.

DETECTIVE:How did she come to get in the laneway?

BAYLEY:we – we walked past it.

DETECTIVE:yeah

BAYLEY:That far down Hope St. I didn’t take her from the street, or – you know?

DETECTIVE: Yeah and then?

BAYLEY:And we were just talking you know? We weren’t – there was no argument, there was no – it was just talking. And then um …

DETECTIVE:Alright.

BAYLEY:I was just walking ahead of her and we’d already interacted on Sydney Rd, and that’s when she rang her brother. She was actually telling me about her father.

DETECTIVE:Right

BAYLEY:You know? And I was just – I was trying to be nice and – she kept going from being nice to nasty, to nice, to – you know what I mean?

DETECTIVE:Yep.

BAYLEY:And it just sort of ended up in the alley. I cant remember yeah, you know what I mean, 100 per cent, like how it ended up. We were just sort of – we were standing there.

DETECTIVE: Um how did you – how did you strangle her?

BAYLEY:With my hands.

DETECTIVE:With your hands. And once that had happened, what did you do?

(interview interrupted by knock at door, then resumes)

BAYLEY:I didn’t run.

DETECTIVE:You didn’t run?

BAYLEY:(starts to cry) That’s not it man. I actually apologised.

DETECTIVE:To her?

BAYLEY:But I didn’t run. I didn’t – didn’t know what to do. It’s a horrible feeling man.

DETECTIVE: Yeah.

BAYLEY:I can’t imagine how – how she felt, but I know how I felt. It’s not nice man, its not nice. And all I thought was what have I done? That’s all I thought. That was the thought in my head, what have I done after I said sorry. I didn’t know what else to say, man. I don’t know what else to say.

DETECTIVE:And what happened to her belongings?

BAYLEY:The phone I smashed. Just the other stuff I threw.

DETECTIVE:You walk to the side, you get the shovel. Tell me what you do.

BAYLEY:I cried man, and I dug a hole.

DETECTIVE:Yeah

BAYLEY: I cried man, And I didn’t cry for me, you need to understand that. I didn’t cry for me, just like I’m not crying for me now.

Jill Meagher

TIMELINE

Saturday September 22, 2012

  • 1.30am: Jill Meagher leaves Bar Etiquette in Sydney Rd, Brunswick, in Melbourne’s inner-north to walk home. CCTV from the Dutchess Boutique captures both Ms Meagher and Adrian Bayley walking past.
  • 1.38am: Mr Bayley allegedly grabs Ms Meagher and drags her into a nearby laneway off Hope St.
  • 1.40am – 1.45am: Neighbours hear a woman yelling from laneway. After a few minutes the yelling stops.
  • 2am: Tom Meagher tries calling his wife’s mobile phone.
  • 4am: Mr Meagher leaves his home in Lux Way – not far from the scene – to go and look for his wife.
  • 4.22am: It is alleged that having gone home to Coburg in Melbourne’s northern suburbs for a shovel, Mr Bayley returns in his white Holden Astra.
  • 4.26am: Car allegedly drives off with Ms Meagher’s body in the boot.
  • 6am: After continuing to call his wife’s phone all night without luck, Mr Meagher reports her missing.

Sunday September 23

  • 12.30pm: A Facebook page is set up in the hope somebody saw Ms Meagher.
  • 3.15pm: Police release public call for information about Ms Meagher’s disappearance.

Monday September 24

  • 6.30am: Ms Meagher’s handbag found in lane off Hope St. Police believe it was planted the day before.
  • 8.50am: Homicide squad takes over the case.
  • 1.45pm: Forensic officers recover evidence from the lane way. Detectives interview Mr Meagher.

Tuesday September 25

  • 12.30pm: Forensic police search the Meagher home and take away their car and bags of items for testing.
  • 3.55pm: Police release footage from the Dutchess Boutique of Ms Meagher and a man in a blue hoodie.
  • 6.15pm: Police return to the Meagher home and search again.

Thursday September 27

  • 2.30pm: Mr Bayley arrested in Coburg.
  • 3.58pm: Police interview with Mr Bayley begins.
  • 10pm: Interview suspended while police travel to a site allegedly nominated by Mr Bayley.

Friday September 28

  • 3am: Mr Bayley remanded at an out-of-sessions hearing after being charged with murder.
  • 4am: Ms Meagher’s body is taken away by coronial staff after being recovered from a shallow grave at the side of Black Hill Rd in Gisborne South, north of Melbourne.

Allison Baden-Clay Killer(s) still not arrested…Makes one wonder!


Previous threads can be found using the links below, One being very first and so on…

One (26/04/12) here Two (14/05/12)  here Three (17/05/12) here Four (20/05/2012) here Five  (23/05/12) here Six (26/05/12) here Seven (28/05/12) here Eight (30/0512) here Nine (02/06/12) here Ten (08/06/12) here

Hi folks well we are around 2 months into this sorry saga and as it stands, we have a Killer or Killers still out there.

  • The facts are, one or more person known to Allison killed her.
  • Maybe one or more others known to her, helped in the crime and or after the fact.
  • Maybe one or more others known to her, helped in transporting her body
  • Maybe one or more others known to her, helped in Disposing her body
  • Maybe one or more others known to her, helped in clean up of one or more crime scenes

The rest is in the previous multitude of Posts and thousands of good bad and ugly theories, Various Modus operandi ,comments  and arguments etc here on the site, can be found up the top or via these links.

Here is a gallery of all the pictures that have captured what are sure to be revealed as pivotal moments in this tragedy as well as ensuring the conviction of the perpetrators involved.

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update 12/06/12

Allison Baden-Clay murder: Rumour of indemnity application for accessory rejected

QUEENSLAND’S top lawmaker has denied claims he’s been approached to grant immunity to a suspect in the murder of Allison Baden-Clay, but says he would be happy to consider such an application by police in the future.

Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie yesterday blasted Ipswich councillor Paul Tully for blogging about an alleged offer of immunity from prosecution to a person who may face charges over the murder, as an accessory before or after the fact.

“If the police put in a request I have the power to grant immunity to someone if they believe they can get someone by evidence that’s going to incriminate someone else, but I haven’t had that approach as far as I know,” he said.

“I’d just caution Cr Tully from spectacularly blogging about murder cases in Queensland and encourage him to get back to his constituents.

“He’s not a journalist, he’s a councillor.”

Mr Bleijie said the application was not unheard of, and he’d granted immunity in the past because sometimes it was “better to get the real bad person rather than the underlings”.

Allison’s in-laws: ‘Expect more, worse’

Baden-Clay business dries up after murder

Police return Baden-Clay’s impounded 4WD

Search teams in to bat for Allison’s girls

Cause of death may remain secret

Focus stays on clues in killer search

Baden-Clay breaks silence on business

Baden-Clay murder case goes south

“But in terms of this particular case, I haven’t signed off or seen anything and neither has my office,” he said.

“If anything does come, I’ve got to look at the evidence and make an assessment on it.

“I can’t make an assessment yet because I haven’t received anything; not saying that I’m not going to in the future.”

Cr Tully said on his blog any deal which the police considered necessary to put a murderer behind bars would be a “totally appropriate way of ensuring that justice is finally done in this bizarre case”.

“Although the police have a prime suspect for the murder and apparently have no doubt whatsoever about that person’s guilt, they are apparently facing some serious evidentiary problems in proving their case beyond reasonable doubt before a judge and jury,” Cr Tully wrote on his blog.

“If the evidence of a reluctant accessory would overcome that evidentiary difficulty and ensure the guilty party is brought to justice, it would be a powerful inducement to a person in such predicament to give evidence against the murderer in exchange for an iron-clad deal to give them legal immunity from prosecution.

“Normally, such immunities are rarely given early in a murder investigation.”

Police said yesterday there was no basis for the speculation, and asked if Cr Tully could call them should he have “any information or inside gossip” in the future.

When asked about the strength of his sources, Cr Tully told The Courier-Mail they were “reliable, but not impeccable”.

Cr Tully also wrote that the Crime and Misconduct Commission may already be using its “star chamber” coercive powers to make people talk.

A spokeswoman for the CMC yesterday said the commission could neither confirm nor deny involvement.

Please read this before you go on to read the rest and comment though folks!

I would personally like to make a plea to those of you who choose to make comments, to do so with due consideration to the circumstances surrounding this case and the 3 wonderful little girls lives have been destroyed.

WE all want answers and certainly Justice for Allison Baden-Clay and her family and we can honour her memory by trying to stay respectful of each other on here, whether or not you have formed an opinion on who is the guilty and who are not. Lots of ordinary folks like me and you have dedicated a lot of time to sit down and share themselves so we can have a collective place to delve into the who, where’s and whys of such a terrible crime.

WE are not judge or jury, that is obvious, and each and every one of you is entitled to say what you think, all I’m asking is NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, agree to disagree, and if it needs to be, just do not interact with a commenter you feel uneasy or judged by. You are welcome to contact me with any concerns as I will be stamping my foot down on the type of personal attack that sends valued contributors away

Anyone found with multiple names/pseudonyms or re-signs as a “New person” will be BANNED…

Obviously I understand the one household who may use the same connection and use different names.

I can see NO other legitimate reason to pretend to be another (new) contributor etc. behave and you can be who you are. simple…

Recent Summary

ALLISON Baden-Clay’s cause of death may remain a closely guarded secret until her killer is charged after investigating officers yesterday ruled out releasing the key detail.

How Mrs Baden-Clay died has been one of the primary questions since her body was discovered under the Kholo Creek bridge at Anstead on April 30, 11 days after she was last seen alive in her Brookfield home.

Police commonly withhold the cause of death in murder investigations and yesterday said they would not be officially commenting on how Mrs Baden-Clay died.

“We won’t be releasing any details in relation to the cause of death at all,” Detective Superintendent Mark Ainsworth said yesterday.

But shortly after the grim discovery of her body police had clear views on how Mrs Baden-Clay died, people close to the case have told The Sunday Mail.

It is understood Mrs Baden-Clay’s body was cleared for release for burial only a day after she was found, with police confident they had the information they needed.
In other developments, Mrs Baden-Clay’s husband, Gerard, is yet to gain formal approval for a relocation of his Century 21 Westside franchise from Taringa to Toowong.

In a rare public comment since his wife’s death, Mr Baden-Clay last week said it was “business as usual” in the new location.

However Century 21 owner Charles Tarbey yesterday said he was yet to receive the required application to relocate the business.

Mr Tarbey – who last week told The Sunday Mail he had spoken to Mr Baden-Clay a number of times since his wife disappeared – gave a routine statement to detectives in Brisbane on Friday.

Police also declined to comment on reports that NSW detectives had interviewed a Sydney woman who met Mr Baden-Clay at a Gold Coast real estate conference.

Investigations continue from Indooroopilly police station. Supt Ainsworth confirmed: “The major incident room is still continuing to run.”

 

Have criminals got it TOO good in jail?


Every now and then I get a news item or a report on the telly that really spikes my attention. Whenever a story about prisoners either whining about conditions (like a paying renter does to a landlord, who actually have legitimate complaints and pay for the right) or an expose’ on what they get and don’t get in jail comes up, I get really frustrated. 

A  list was revealed from the ACACIA UNIT at Barwon prison, a haunt for the major crims in Victoria down the road from me. The other day we had a story about Fat Tony Mokbel, cooking his own food, as he did not LIKE the prison food…I could swear my head off, but I ask others not to so I wont….grrrrr

What happened to porridge for breakfast, some sandwiches for lunch and some meat and 3 veg for dinner. Dessert a few times a week?

I will tell you why, because surely it cannot just be me who thinks “No wonder they go back for more”. For starters, yes it is a sentence and their freedom is taken away, but bloody hell, not much else is. Just consider the savings on rent, electricity, food, clothes, dental, medical, entertainment, EDUCATION and all the books, materials and computers and stuff. Sports, recreation, pool tables, gym (think of the savings on gym membership!) all the legal aid they need. Transport…I could go on.

If one were unfortunate enough to be on the streets, but NOT commit crimes, maybe they should reconsider their career. I am not joking, think about all the benefits versus the negatives. What are they, let me think, ok you are behind 4 walls, and get locked in your room at night. The cost to the taxpayer is massive, and the jail population is growing. I bet my last dollar they grow by returning crooks who just throw the towel in and say it is too tough on the outside I am going back in…I’m better off inside…Some with money, may even think…Gee maybe even rent out my place for 400 a week while im here…leave jail and not pay back one bloody cent, have a nice kitty when I get out. pay the victim nothing either…I’m a mere poor prisoner…

Driven to court and back, unlimited free calls and correspondence to lawyers etc It makes my blood boil actually. I want the view of all you guys, I’m sure (well I hope) we also get the view from the other side, those who have been in, or have partners on the inside.

I will tell you know, it will take a lot of convincing to tell me that beyond all of the above, these poor people are suffering the lack of freedom etc. Well that IS the point of it all, the committed crimes, and suffer the consequences, my point is most Aussies would have no ides how generous these consequences are! Cheers Robbo

Barwon Prison in Victoria, which contains Victoria’s worst criminals

THE state’s most dangerous criminals are enjoying cut-price junk food and luxury items in our most secure prison.

While working families are struggling to meet grocery bills, our most heinous inmates jailed at Barwon Prison, including serial killers Peter Dupas and Paul Denyer, are living on discount smoked oysters, ice cream, popcorn and cheese.

The Herald Sun has matched prices at an inner-city supermarket chain with the Barwon Prison canteen, finding prisoners are saving up to 22 per cent compared with average consumers.

Overall, 16 items of a basket of 22 were cheaper at the Barwon Prison one-stop shop. The items were taken from 267 listed products available to prisoners.

The biggest win for the crooks was for John West Temptations, a mega-saving of a dollar from a supermarket price of $2.36.

Prisoners were also able to buy Mint Slices for $2.23, well under the supermarket price of $3.10, while Tim Tams were 10c cheaper than the going rate.

Other cut-price items at Barwon canteen included a 25-cent saving on Coon cheese, a 50c cut on a Gillette Mach 3 razor and a pack of Salada crackers down 35c.

But it wasn’t all red-spot specials for the bad guys.

Delicious Chocolate Royals were 20c up on the supermarket, Lipton tea (50s) 12c higher, baked beans 26c dearer while Palmolive shampoo was a rip off at the canteen, with a marked price of $5.41, 42c higher.

A Corrections Victoria spokesman said prison shops were run by each prison and no profit was made.

He said products were purchased directly by the prison, usually at wholesale prices.

“They are allowed to a purchase a basic range of items such as telephone credit, toiletries or food products in limited quantities from the prison shop,” the spokesman said.

“Prisoners pay for these themselves at no cost to the taxpayer.”

RMIT criminal justice advocate Peter Norden said people should be questioning the cost of building and staffing more prisons for more inmates – which is estimated at $500,000 a cell – rather than the price of food.

“They can get cheaper food in the prisons because it’s an expanding population,” he said, tongue in cheek.

“They can buy in bulk.”

Pam Greenbury, the mother of murder victim Tracey, said prisoners should not be getting sweets or any other luxury item, let alone at a discount.

“I wouldn’t like our daughter’s murderer to get any luxuries,” Mrs Greenbury said.

“Luxuries at a discounted price? I’d say no.”

Allison Baden-Clay’s husband Gerard had an affair, But we all knew that…


Time a for a new thread, you guys are too active! All for a good cause, trying to solve this murder mystery…The old threads are listed below…Cheers

Original First Post (26/04/12) here (My apologies, this link was playing up, Fixed this morning…)

Second updated Post (14/05/12)  here

Third Updated Post  (17/05/12) here

update early edition 21/05/12 5am

POLICE are still interviewing friends and family of Allison and Gerard Baden-Clay in their quest to solve the murder of the Brookfield mother of three.

A month after she disappeared, police have made it clear they have a suspect, possibly more than one, but yesterday continued to run out numerous leads as they worked to solve the case.

They have also confirmed they believe Mrs Baden-Clay was killed by someone she knew.

But a police spokesman yesterday declined to comment on whether toxicology results from Mrs Baden-Clay would be able to confirm a definitive cause of death.

“Any investigation requiring forensic testing adheres to its own process and time-frames depending on the amount of evidence requiring testing and the nature of these tests,” the spokesman said.

“As this is an ongoing investigation, we are unable to comment further at this time.”

BROOKFIELD mum Allison Baden-Clay’s husband Gerard had an affair with a woman who worked in their real estate franchise, friends say in evidence confirmed to police and central to investigations.

Former Century 21 Westside saleswoman Toni McHugh is alleged to have had an affair with Gerard Baden-Clay

Four weeks after her death a picture has emerged of a tumultuous final year for the Baden-Clays.

It included a public outing of the affair as the couple’s business imploded.

Police have been told the relationship between Mr Baden-Clay and former Century 21 Westside saleswoman Toni McHugh was widely known among friends and colleagues.

Ms McHugh is the former staffer reported to have been interviewed at least three times by detectives and confirmed the relationship to police, The Sunday Mail can reveal.

The affair has been a focus of investigations and may be a factor in Mr Baden-Clay’s near-silence publicly since his wife vanished and was found dead on a Kholo Creek riverbank at Anstead.

Friends were last year led to believe the relationship had ended but police have been told it was ongoing, helping to explain the repeated interviews of the former staffer.

Mr Baden-Clay’s lawyer declined to comment and Ms McHugh did not respond to calls yesterday, but has refused several interview requests since Allison disappeared.

“I’ve got nothing to say to you,” Ms McHugh, a former NSW art teacher, told The Sunday Mail when first reached a week after Mrs Baden-Clay vanished.

However, numerous sources spoke for the first time to reveal how the affair unravelled publicly long before Allison’s disappearance.

Staff reported spotting Mr Baden-Clay leaving Ms McHugh’s home after hours.

As the suspected relationship became a frequent discussion topic there was disquiet over perceptions that Ms McHugh received preferential treatment with new property listings.

“People saw them at events together. People saw them at dinners together. People had dinners with them together. It wasn’t a well kept secret,” said one person with intimate knowledge of the situation.

“I was shocked. Gerard’s history was of integrity and honesty. It was not something you could have suspected he could have been capable of being involved in. I had put him on a moral pedestal.”

With the marriage in trouble and Mrs Baden-Clay last year opening up about a breakdown in her relationship with her husband, friends are known to have asked her if her husband could be having an affair.

She denied it.

One person said: “She wanted the marriage to work.

“She did everything she could to make a happy home.”

Police have also been scouring the financial affairs of the Baden-Clays, who had rented their home at Brookfield.

Their Century 21 Westside business was ranked the brand’s top Brisbane franchise in 2010 and expanded from Kenmore to a bigger office at Taringa over Christmas, but nosedived after the January 2011 floods, insiders say.

Mr Baden-Clay’s business partners left the franchise late last year, records show.

One source said: “Things became incredibly difficult financially.” Educated at Sydney University, Ms McHugh taught in the Blue Mountains area outside Sydney for several years before moving to Queensland.

“She quickly won a role in property management and three years later caught the attention of Century 21 Westside principal Gerard Baden-Clay,” says an online profile.

Gerard Bayden-Clay at the Brookfield Show yesterday, was having an affair for much longer than first thought

The pair first met when Mr Baden-Clay presided over the sale of Ms McHugh’s block of land at Pullenvale.

“I wouldn’t have worked for just anyone,” Ms McHugh says in her profile.

“Century 21 Westside were ethically strong, results-driven and very much team players. I bring to this position empathy, understanding, a talent for solving problems and, above all, a true love of property.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtsu3tZsnZM

20/05/12

Allison Baden-Clay’s husband had an affair with a woman at his work that was widely known about, friends say in evidence central to police investigations into the Brisbane mother’s death.

The mother-of-three reportedly learned of the affair between Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh, a former saleswoman at the couple’s real estate franchise, around a year before her body was found under a bridge in West Brisbane on April 30.

Ms McHugh has been interviewed at least three times by police and confirmed the affair, which was ongoing and widely known among family and friends, The Courier Mail reports.

Mr Baden-Clay’s lawyer declined to comment on the reported affair and Ms McHugh was not answering her phone yesterday — she had refused earlier interview requests, saying she had “nothing to say”.

But numerous sources spoke to The Sunday Mail, saying the affair became public long before the 43-year-old mother was reported missing by her husband on April 20.

One colleague said things came to a head around the middle of 2011 when Mr Baden-Clay came to work and told staff his wife had discovered the affair — Ms McHugh resigned almost immediately after.

“People saw them at events together. People saw them at dinners together. People had dinners with them together. It wasn’t a well-kept secret,” a source told The Mail.

Mrs Baden-Clay’s husband reported her missing from their home in Brookfield at 7.30am (AEDT) on April 20 after she failed to return from a walk.

Her body was later found under a bridge over Kholo Creek.

Allison Baden-Clay's husband Gerard had an affair, But we all knew that…


Time a for a new thread, you guys are too active! All for a good cause, trying to solve this murder mystery…The old threads are listed below…Cheers

Original First Post (26/04/12) here (My apologies, this link was playing up, Fixed this morning…)

Second updated Post (14/05/12)  here

Third Updated Post  (17/05/12) here

update early edition 21/05/12 5am

POLICE are still interviewing friends and family of Allison and Gerard Baden-Clay in their quest to solve the murder of the Brookfield mother of three.

A month after she disappeared, police have made it clear they have a suspect, possibly more than one, but yesterday continued to run out numerous leads as they worked to solve the case.

They have also confirmed they believe Mrs Baden-Clay was killed by someone she knew.

But a police spokesman yesterday declined to comment on whether toxicology results from Mrs Baden-Clay would be able to confirm a definitive cause of death.

“Any investigation requiring forensic testing adheres to its own process and time-frames depending on the amount of evidence requiring testing and the nature of these tests,” the spokesman said.

“As this is an ongoing investigation, we are unable to comment further at this time.”

BROOKFIELD mum Allison Baden-Clay’s husband Gerard had an affair with a woman who worked in their real estate franchise, friends say in evidence confirmed to police and central to investigations.

Former Century 21 Westside saleswoman Toni McHugh is alleged to have had an affair with Gerard Baden-Clay

Four weeks after her death a picture has emerged of a tumultuous final year for the Baden-Clays.

It included a public outing of the affair as the couple’s business imploded.

Police have been told the relationship between Mr Baden-Clay and former Century 21 Westside saleswoman Toni McHugh was widely known among friends and colleagues.

Ms McHugh is the former staffer reported to have been interviewed at least three times by detectives and confirmed the relationship to police, The Sunday Mail can reveal.

The affair has been a focus of investigations and may be a factor in Mr Baden-Clay’s near-silence publicly since his wife vanished and was found dead on a Kholo Creek riverbank at Anstead.

Friends were last year led to believe the relationship had ended but police have been told it was ongoing, helping to explain the repeated interviews of the former staffer.

Mr Baden-Clay’s lawyer declined to comment and Ms McHugh did not respond to calls yesterday, but has refused several interview requests since Allison disappeared.

“I’ve got nothing to say to you,” Ms McHugh, a former NSW art teacher, told The Sunday Mail when first reached a week after Mrs Baden-Clay vanished.

However, numerous sources spoke for the first time to reveal how the affair unravelled publicly long before Allison’s disappearance.

Staff reported spotting Mr Baden-Clay leaving Ms McHugh’s home after hours.

As the suspected relationship became a frequent discussion topic there was disquiet over perceptions that Ms McHugh received preferential treatment with new property listings.

“People saw them at events together. People saw them at dinners together. People had dinners with them together. It wasn’t a well kept secret,” said one person with intimate knowledge of the situation.

“I was shocked. Gerard’s history was of integrity and honesty. It was not something you could have suspected he could have been capable of being involved in. I had put him on a moral pedestal.”

With the marriage in trouble and Mrs Baden-Clay last year opening up about a breakdown in her relationship with her husband, friends are known to have asked her if her husband could be having an affair.

She denied it.

One person said: “She wanted the marriage to work.

“She did everything she could to make a happy home.”

Police have also been scouring the financial affairs of the Baden-Clays, who had rented their home at Brookfield.

Their Century 21 Westside business was ranked the brand’s top Brisbane franchise in 2010 and expanded from Kenmore to a bigger office at Taringa over Christmas, but nosedived after the January 2011 floods, insiders say.

Mr Baden-Clay’s business partners left the franchise late last year, records show.

One source said: “Things became incredibly difficult financially.” Educated at Sydney University, Ms McHugh taught in the Blue Mountains area outside Sydney for several years before moving to Queensland.

“She quickly won a role in property management and three years later caught the attention of Century 21 Westside principal Gerard Baden-Clay,” says an online profile.

Gerard Bayden-Clay at the Brookfield Show yesterday, was having an affair for much longer than first thought

The pair first met when Mr Baden-Clay presided over the sale of Ms McHugh’s block of land at Pullenvale.

“I wouldn’t have worked for just anyone,” Ms McHugh says in her profile.

“Century 21 Westside were ethically strong, results-driven and very much team players. I bring to this position empathy, understanding, a talent for solving problems and, above all, a true love of property.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtsu3tZsnZM

20/05/12

Allison Baden-Clay’s husband had an affair with a woman at his work that was widely known about, friends say in evidence central to police investigations into the Brisbane mother’s death.

The mother-of-three reportedly learned of the affair between Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh, a former saleswoman at the couple’s real estate franchise, around a year before her body was found under a bridge in West Brisbane on April 30.

Ms McHugh has been interviewed at least three times by police and confirmed the affair, which was ongoing and widely known among family and friends, The Courier Mail reports.

Mr Baden-Clay’s lawyer declined to comment on the reported affair and Ms McHugh was not answering her phone yesterday — she had refused earlier interview requests, saying she had “nothing to say”.

But numerous sources spoke to The Sunday Mail, saying the affair became public long before the 43-year-old mother was reported missing by her husband on April 20.

One colleague said things came to a head around the middle of 2011 when Mr Baden-Clay came to work and told staff his wife had discovered the affair — Ms McHugh resigned almost immediately after.

“People saw them at events together. People saw them at dinners together. People had dinners with them together. It wasn’t a well-kept secret,” a source told The Mail.

Mrs Baden-Clay’s husband reported her missing from their home in Brookfield at 7.30am (AEDT) on April 20 after she failed to return from a walk.

Her body was later found under a bridge over Kholo Creek.

Bracken Bridge mother Noni Zischke found murdered -Husband Trevor Zischke Charged…TOWBALL USED


What a shocking situation for another family, this time in Bracken Ridge  Qld…More details to come, but we do know the husband was taken into custody after his car was intercepted on the Bruce Highway following the discovery of his wife’s body this morning…It is alleged he smashed her head with a towball and then stabbed her…A Despicable, gutless, cowardly act

UPDATE 10/05/12

Trevor Ernie Zischke, 53, of Bracken Ridge stared at the floor during his brief appearance in the Brisbane Magistrates Court today where he was accused of murdering his wife Noni, 55, in the bedroom of their home yesterday.

A MAN has faced court charged with the murder of his wife after he allegedly bludgeoned her about the head with a car towball before stabbing her with a knife.

Trevor Ernie Zischke, 53, of Bracken Ridge stared at the floor during his brief appearance in the Brisbane Magistrates Court today where he was accused of murdering his wife Noni, 55, in the bedroom of their home yesterday.

Zischke was arrested when police intercepted his vehicle a few hours later at Morayfield as he headed north towards the Bruce Highway.

Defence lawyer Adam Magill adjourned the case for a mention in June before his client was remanded in custody.

Zischke must go to the Supreme Court if he wants to seek bail, but outside court, Mr Magill said he had no plans to make that application.

“He’s in a terrible state, he’s both emotionally and physically devastated,” he said.

“It’s a tragic end to a very long relationship unfortunately.”

Police are expected to allege Zischke used the towball of a car to bash his wife in the head before stabbing her.

“The facts are very sketchy at this point in time but it does appear that the intention was for him to end his own life but he just couldn’t get to that stage,” Mr Magill said.

Despite the charge, he said Zischke’s family are still supporting him after engaging Mr Magill on Wednesday night.

He confirmed the 53-year-old would be on suicide watch during his time in custody and was more of a threat to himself than anyone else.

“I think there are definitely some mental health issues there. I think the gravity of the whole thing has just hit him now,” he said.

“He’s not in a good way. He’s really struggling with it.”
NEIGHBOURS are “heartbroken” by discovery of Noni Zischke’s body in a Brisbane home. Their reaction follows dramatic roadside arrest of her husband, Trevor  Zischke.

NEIGHBOURS are “heartbroken” by discovery of Noni Zischke’s body in a Brisbane home. Their reaction follows dramatic roadside arrest of her husband, Trevor Zischke.

Police found the body of Noni Zischke in her Bracken Ridge home shortly after 10am.

Neighbours described the mother of two as a “beautiful lady”.

Mrs Zischke lived at the home with her husband Trevor and adult son Tim. Their adult daughter Nicole had previously moved out.

Mr Zischke was intercepted while driving toward the Bruce Highway this morning.

He was driving a vehicle heading north.

Detectives, scenes of crime officers and forensic experts are at the Tallara St home.

Police cordoned off the street after being called to the double story brick house about 10.20am where they located the body inside.

Lathmahina said he had known the family since 1982.

“My wife and I, we went out shopping (about 9.45am) and when we came back the road was packed with cars and we were just wondering what was happening,” he said.

“We came back from shopping and (Tim Zischke) was already here with his sister Nicole.

“Trevor does the mowing. I help him out sometimes with fixing up the whipper snipper.”

Mr Lathmahina broke down as he described Mrs Zischke.

“I look at them just like my family,” he said.

“They were a very nice family.

“She’s a beautiful lady. She respect me. I respect them.”

Mr Lathmahina said he was “heartbroken”.

“It was just like a surprise,” he said.

“Where I come from (PNG) these is no such thing like this. We just help one another.”

Anyone with information which could assist police with their investigations should contact Crime Stoppers anonymously via 1800 333 000 or crimestoppers.com.au 24hrs a day.

Detectives driving both marked and unmarked cars detained the man at the entry to the northbound exit onto the Bruce Highway off Buchanan Rd at Morayfield at midday.

He was fitted in a blue suit at the scene, likely in an effort to preserve any forensic evidence.

Police have cordoned off the exit and warned motorists to exercise caution.

Police were called to the double story Bracken Ridge home about 10.20am where the body of a woman was located inside.