Roger Dean-Enemy No.1-Nursing Home Murderer


A REGISTERED nurse has appeared in court charged with four counts of murder after a fatal fire at a nursing home in Sydney’s west. A fifth victim died in hospital today.

UPDATE TODAY 21/11/11 2.26PM

AN 82-year-old man has become the seventh person to die following the fatal Sydney nursing home fire.

Police say Ceasar Galea died at Hawkesbury Hospital at 8.20am (AEDT) today.

Three residents, including 73-year-old Alma Smith, died at the scene of the fire, which tore through the facility on Hambledon Rd, Quakers Hill, early on Friday morning.

On Friday afternoon Lola Bennett, 86, died at Royal North Shore Hospital, while Ella Wood, 97, died at Concord Repatriation General Hospital on Saturday morning.

A 79-year-old woman died at 9.30am (AEDT) yesterday in Liverpool Hospital, police said.

Roger Dean, 35, a registered nurse who worked for a short time at the home has so far been charged with four counts of murder.

Roger Dean appeared on camera yesterday saying he had tried to save lives, instead he had ended them

I feel absolutely sick to the stomach that a NURSE has been charged with the murders of these old and frail innocent victims murders. A frigging bloody Nurse, a person who is supposed to care, a job that oozes care, empathy and understanding of the fears of both patients and their family and friends…SURELY HE IS THE MOST HATED MAN IN AUSTRALIA AND THE QUEUE TO APPLY SOME SORT OF JUSTICE ON HIM MUST BE QUEUING AROUND THE COAST OF AUSTRALIA OVER AND OVER….LET ME TELL YOU PEOPLE, THIS COULD OF BEEN A FACILITY THAT MY MUM, YOUR DAD, AUNTY, GRANDMA ETC WAS STAYING AT. AND THIS PRICK HAS SOME TRIVIAL (CAN THERE BE ANY OTHER) GRUDGE AGAINST THE HOSPITAL, OR MANAGEMENT, WHATEVER, WHO GIVES A SHIT, BUT HE WAS PREPARED TO SLAUGHTER EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE HOME, WORKERS, CLIENTS AND EVERYONE IN BETWEEN….(IMAGINE IF HE SUCCEEDED IN HIS PLAN)

IF THE DEATH PENALTY IS NOT WARRANTED FOR A HUMAN FOR THIS TYPE OF CRIME, WHEN WILL IT BE EVER? MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL THE VICTIMS, FAMILY AND STAFF IN THIS DIABOLICAL CRIME.

Evacuated residents outside Quakers Hill Nursing Home this morning

Roger Dean, 35, appeared via video link before magistrate Andrew George at Parramatta Local Court this morning.

Dean is expected to face a fifth charge of murder, a police spokeswoman told AAP.

Also today, the names of two of the victims of the fatal nursing home fire in Sydney’s west have been released. They are Alma Smith and Lola Bennett. No other details are available.

Dean, who has dark hair with a streak of red at the front and is of Asian appearance, said nothing during the court appearance and appeared calm.

The nurse, a Quakers Hill resident who was wearing a black Nike jumper, did not apply for bail, and it was refused.

He was taken back to custody and will next appear in Central Local Court on Thursday.

‘I wasn’t stopping for anyone’ – relative

Nursing home fire

Anxious search for fire victim

Tragic Quakers Hill fire

Deadly building fires in Australia

The fire broke out at the Quakers Hill nursing home at about 5am yesterday.

Soon to be identified, this victim an iconic image of the tragedy

Three residents died in the blaze, and two more died later in hospital.

The nurse is believed to have worked at the home for only a short time.

Speaking at a press conference in Sydney this morning, Detective Superintendent  Michael Willing said he could not comment on the motive of the crime.

He said the investigation is expected to take some time as officers still do not have access to the scene.

“The building is still structurally unsound and it will be some time before we can complete our examinations there,” he told reporters.

He described the blaze as a tragedy for the community.

“Our thoughts go out to those who have lost loved ones and those with family members … currently receiving treatment in hospital.”

Two fires are believed to have broken out in separate wings of the Quakers Hill nursing home in the early hours of Friday morning.

A total of 32 people were taken to hospital after the incident, with 15 admitted to the intensive care units at Royal North Shore and Concord hospitals.

Emergency crews had dragged out scores of bewildered, bedridden residents as the blaze took hold of the western Sydney home before dawn yesterday, in what was described as like a scene from a war zone.

“There was just a battlefield, people everywhere … the residents were strewn all over the place,” Anglican minister Geoff Bates told Macquarie radio.

Some 80 residents have been taken to hospital. Picture: John Grainger

Covered in ash and soot, bewildered elderly people, dozens still in their beds and some in wheelchairs, waited patiently for help as emergency crews scrambled to make sure all 88 residents had been accounted for.

Police confirmed the deadly blaze began at the back of the Quakers Hill building in two places, indicating arson.

A Desperate embrace...Many relatives now face an anxious wait.

“We’ll leave no stone unturned as we get to the bottom of this,” Acting NSW Police Commissioner Catherine Burn said, describing the events as a “horror day”.

Many relatives now face an anxious wait. Picture: John Grainger

The residents – many of whom suffer dementia – were awakened by alarms just before 5am, to see their home in flames.

Last night 12 were in critical condition in intensive care units at hospitals all over Sydney, including five who were receiving acute care at Concord Hospital‘s specialist burns unit. One resident died in hospital died today.

Another 18 people had injuries that were not considered life-threatening.

The Quakers Hill home passed a safety audit in July, but it is an older-style home without an emergency sprinkler system.

Australia is out of step with countries such as the US, which mandated sprinklers in new and existing nursing homes in 2008, at a cost of $845 million.

Fire and Rescue NSW Commissioner Greg Mullins described the blaze as a firefighter’s worst nightmare: “Turning up to a nursing home with elderly people who can’t get themselves out of harm’s way.”

He confirmed the dead had been in rooms closest to the source of the fire, separated from the other residents by a fire door.


Dr Nick Brennan, a geriatrician at St Vincent’s Hospital, feared that the elderly survivors could be traumatized, which might lead to more deaths.

“The prognosis for the frail and elderly in an intensive care situation is pretty poor,” he said.

More than 100 fire crews fought the intense blaze and more than 70 paramedics administered aid amid scenes of chaos.

Mr Mullins vowed that expert forensic crews would establish the cause of the fire.

Most of the injured suffered smoke inhalation and minor burns, paramedics said


161 thoughts on “Roger Dean-Enemy No.1-Nursing Home Murderer

  1. PLEASE PEOPLE IF ANYONE KNOWS THIS KILLER OF OUR ELDERLY AND INFIRM PLEASE CONTACT ME…TOTALLY ANONYMOUS IF NEED BE THIS PRICK WILL NOT BE PROTECTED….HOPEFULLY HE WILL NOT MAKE IT TO TRIAL…HE SHOULD NECK HIMSELF NOW AND PUT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AT SOME REST.BUT FOR NOW SEND ME PHOTOS OF THIS GUTLESS KILLER

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  2. Thanks guys for the links…Amazing that Aussie media dragged the chain in exposing this fucking scum-bag of a human being…

    The saddest thing is this could of touched each and every one of us who has an elderly family member, past their prime, and in the care of those trained and entrusted with our loved ones…
    Can there be a worse crime against humanity in a peace time country?

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  3. [email protected] on said:

    Has this guy been found guilty of a crime yet? Crawl back into your holes bogan vigilantes.

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    • Oh god. You’re one of them knobs!! He hasn’t been found guilty but like most things in life, people are free to there opinions and if you don’t like it, you, like everyone else in this free country has the freedom and right to ignore it..

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  4. why are you here [email protected] if you weren’t after information on this kind of thing yourself.

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  5. he’s korean must have changed his name.he’s a maggot if he did it.put him in the same class as scumbag julian knight couldn’t believe reading he’s running the committy in the joint..how weak r todays crims do they forget what a gutless crime he committed.sleep with dogs u catch fleas.lets hope he never gets released.anybody who defends the piece of shit is a DOG also.

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      • my wife philippino i showed his photo to other asians all said KOREAN pick it in the head koreans tend to have big heads compared to other asians one was korean and he said korean for sure also .;i didnt make that comment lightly.

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    • If by “he’s” Korean you mean “he looks like he has Asian ancestry”, you’re right.

      If you mean anything more definitive (like he is provably Korean) then back up your assertion with sources.

      If you’re implying that his possibly being Korean has any relevance to the acts he is alleged to have committed, you’re a racist scumbag.

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    • For starters – take your own advice and learn to read. Where the hell did you get perspect from?

      For seconds – I notice you haven’t actually mentioned what your assertion that he is Korean has to do with anything. All you did was rave illiterately and threaten violence to a disembodied net random. This highlights how miserably inadequate your supposed intellect is against challenges to your racist assumptions. So again – what does his racial background have to do with the charges against him? That’s right – NOTHING, your racist prat.

      Oh – and apart from owning you intellectually, I am amused by your sad little threats. Thanks for the laughs.

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      • perspect is a plastic glass u can see thru like u can be seen thru.it was commented he was of asian appearance i just confirmed his race.iv spent the last 2 1|2 years in asia iv forgotten more about asia than u will ever know. have u ever travelled further than out of ur own backyard.people who have travelled a lot overseas can pick a natanality easy.but i suppose narrow minded jerks like ur self would find us all RACIST email me when u get to manila and i’ll give u a bit of an .ps try not to get lost in ur boring suburban life

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      • Are you referring to perspex? I’ve looked all over the net and can’t find a substance called perspect, if you have proof of its existence, please provide. Otherwise you’re even more of an idiot than I thought :D

        To get back to my original point, which seems to elude your limited understanding – and I’ll put it in big letters so you understand that this is actually the important bit – WHAT DOES THE RACE OF THE ALLEGED PERPETRATOR HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

        If you don’t get it by now, I despair. You are hysterical proof that “overseas travel” (read 1 week in bali) does not necessarily broaden the mind. Although I suppose it helps if you have one to start with, lol.

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      • bill is right u only read into what u want to read he said he’s been in asia over 2YRS my 10yr old worked that out bet u are a winging pommy prick..fuck off u make me sick

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      • Another one who can’t read or comprehend? The idiocy is spreading, lol. Actually, no it’s not. Looking at the writing style & consistent grammatical and spelling errors, I’d say “bill” and “waye” might have a bit more in common than you’d think. Apart from the inability to read the big letters, that is. Like the same body, lmfao…

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      • I support your words there Perplexed.

        Bill has no grounds and he is not providing an intelligent and balanced response.

        Bill you are somewhat retarded.

        And go back to school and learn to spell and write/type properly, as your grammar is of a rather shit standard.

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        • yep, bill and his supporter are missing a few steps in their logic. If you can recognise ethinicity from appearances, you would be psychic. Expand your horizons and keep an open mind

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    • My enquires through the NSW nursing community suggests he is a “Filipino”!
      Which would not be surprising give the amount of Filipinos in the nursing community.

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  6. robbo ;is gordon [sam] hutchinson still in side i was reading about him running the pen a few years back .one pysco he was knew him 40yrs ago he;d be well in his 70’s now.

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  7. I am once again shocked that a member of the nursing profession can commit a henious crime against vulnerable patients in their care – I write crime thriller novels about crimes comitted by nurses/doctors, as fiction, unfortunately too many are turning from fact to fiction. My thoughts go out to the friends, relatives and staff who care for these residents.

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    • This guy should lose his nursing registration not only in Australia but worldwide. As a registered nurse I am in astonishment that one nurse could do this to all these people, not only the elderly and disabled but his co-workers. Send him to a high level correctional centre where the re are inmates that have some connection to the Quaker’s Hill nursing home and see how long he lasts.

      If I had a say in his treatment…it would not be nice.

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  8. Disgusting the police have a lot of evidence?? i assume. Like his DNA etc. I dont understand how he could live with himself? from the news reports i heard today apparently he had been interviewed by police about something totally different the day before the fire, then he acted lke a hero rescuing the residents. There was talk that someone from the services fire or ambulance where going to put his name down to receive a bravery award.

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    • Hi Catherine, I heard that too, these bums cannot resist bringing themselves into the crime scene and the investigation and media etc. Its all about a desire to be recognised for something as they have been insignificant all their life and feel they deserve their rightful spot on a pedestal, so try to create a hero like status…

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    • Bill, Id bet my house on it mate…The evidence will be overwhelming, physical and forensic evidence and a guilt ridden sequence of behaviour as well as what might be certain “Admissions” once he realised how much shit he was in…Im not 100% certain his intention was murder, but more being a hero, and the fire (as they do) got out of hand so quickly…But either way it was pre meditated and he is culpable….

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  9. Robbo, it was reported that he lit the first fire in the room where two elderly people were sleeping. If that is not intent to murder, I don’t know what is. Then he lit a second fire, why? To kill more people. I am a nurse too, or I was, retired now and I have an elderly mother in a nursing home not far from this one. I am shattered….I want swift justice for this….despicable attention seeking tantrum, revenge, whatever motivated this lunatic satins spawn. But I want to be sure he did it so I have to be patient and wait out the judicial process. But if ever there was a case for capital punishment, here it is. Does this guy have some psychiatric/psychological problems, you bet they’ll find some, but I am sorry, I can’t explain this act away so easy as citing such. He knew right from wrong, he killed helpless lovely people in cold blood. And they’re still dying, another today. That’s 6!…Tears

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  10. as a child (victim) myself i have spent my life (44ys) reconciling what was done to me. and i do that by wanting to never, ‘becoming what i hate’. when someone has caused harm and then you wish harm on them, you are both the same. you are as they are.

    the ‘goodness’ in me will never be diminished by the ‘badness’ in others.

    the only thing we can truly be in control of is ‘how we react’.

    how can this be fixed? or, what can we do to make sure we have tried everything we can, to make sure it’s never repeated?

    pay teachers what lawyers get paid.
    and pay nurses what cops get paid.
    after an event no amount of punishment will ever make a difference to it.
    except give people an illusion of,’ justice’.
    so…., it’s ‘before an event’ we should concentrate our resources.
    nurture, support, educate, house, ect.

    if someone has done something that seems ‘insane’?
    they probable are!

    people have lived here for 40,000+ years….
    i think they might have been ‘onto something’.

    we can’t change the past but we can make a better future.

    andy,
    ‘i’ve never thrown a punch and i’ve never walked away from a fight’

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  11. Does anyone know if he has a history of fire-setting? I know that genuine pyros find it very difficult to impossible to stay away from their handiwork. Finding this out would go a long way to ascertaining his motives in returning to the scene.

    And no, this is not an attempt to justify/minimise his actions on the grounds of mental illness, it’s just speculation/curiosity…

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  12. I have a feeling about this guy though. I cannot even hope to understand why someone would do this, or how someone could do this. The only thing I can think of is that he wanted to create a diversion, or destroy evidence and, like many people, underestimated what fire can do. And it got out of control. He will be in jail for the rest of his life, and so he should. But this is the only way I can explain such inexplicable behaviour. I cannot believe he set out to kill multiple people…he just doesn’t seem to fit the profile.

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  13. Assuming this person did indeed do it and is found guilty by a jury of his peers, I would be keenly interested in his past history as a nurse. As an ex-male nurse I have worked with some pretty dark and twisted male nurses over the years. Since leaving the profession and experiencing several different industries I am yet to find anybody quite a like dark and twisted male nurse. They are something special and not found anywhere else in my opinion. They seem to be motivated by things that don’t motivate the average Joe. A sense of power is found in that environment that they cannot get anywhere else in their lives. It can be totally and utterly exploited in that setting. And often is in all sorts of ways. The good ones are great as you would expect. The bad ones are off the charts bad.

    I don’t think you wake up one day and burn down a nursing home – with or without the intention to kill many people (although killing people could have been and is most probably was his intention from the start). The fact a man of his age was happy to work in a nursing home when the whole profession is available to him adds to my prejudices. Nursing homes are the pits and lend themselves to a special type of nurse. Males are seldom seen. I look forward to the trial exploring and uncovering all the little parts that lead up to this act. I guarantee many little suspicions over the course of his career will be revealed and will see this current act as almost a rite of passage given his previous indiscretions. I hope it exposes some of the maniacal people that are entrusted with the care of our loved ones working in our healthcare system. They are out there for sure.

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  14. [email protected] on said:

    My heart goes out to the departed senior citizens & may the rest in peace. They spend their entire last days in a nursing home placing full trust on nurses as their caretakers but this guy betrayed their trust. The cops must have found some form of evidence linking him to the fire. I reckon he came to help to avoid any suspicion. Perhaps with this incident, relevant authorities can enforce stringent regulations where thorough background check is done in hiring home nurses.

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    • Given than the industry is interested and screaming for more nurses, I doubt it’s likely to happen soon. Perhaps if the pay rate was better than bare subsistence-level you might get more and better staff, but until that happens, not much will change.

      Teachers, child care workers and nurses. 3 of the most important paid jobs in society and we pay them a pittance while expecting them to go above and beyond. No wonder the ones for whom it’s not an absolute vocation find alternate careers.

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  15. This guy is the lowest of the scum! Killing elderly and innocent people, lets hope his defence lawyer is not going to use “insanity clause” to get him out of this disgusting crime.

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  16. this man was arrested and charged with 4 counts of murder,that in itself says something,I work in a nursing home and my residents are shocked and scared that the same thing could happen to them…this nurse has degraded all nurses that care for the elderly…I’m so ashamed of him,what I did notice was that when he was being interviewed at the scene was that he had his bag with him,now I’m sorry to say but that would of been the last thing that I would of grabbed when trying to save lives.

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  17. THIS DEAN WILL COP IT IN PRISON THANKFULLY, BUT HELL PROBABLY GO TO GOULBURN SUPERMAX IN LOCKDOWN 24/7, DEAN WILL BE SUFFERING SOON. ALSO PRISON SYSTEM WILL GIVE IT HELL TOO, FREEZING AIRCONDITIONING IN THE INTER IS STANDARD TREATMENT AT GOULBURN, ALSO SPITTING N SNOT IN FOOD, ALSO LIGHT ON ALL DAY ALL NIGHT, AIRCON OFF IN SUMMER, DELAYED FOOD, ETC, ETC, AHAHAHAHAHA

    ALSO, IT LOOKS LIKE A POOF, SOUNDS LIKE A POOF, I’D CUT ITS BALLS N COCK OFF N SHOVE IT IN ITS THROAT, MAKE IT CHEW EM N SWALLOW, IT DOESNT DEERVE MALE GENITALSM ALSO, THEN CHAINSAW ITS LIMBS OFF AND THEN THE HEAD OFF, LIKE IN MEXICO, FILTHY SCUM.. THX

    DIE ROGER DEAN 8-)

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    • Look you should set lower standards and build up gradually, go and find out where he lived and sneak around at night and vandalise his former house. You and Robbo can hold hands and give each other encouragement. You dont sound very stable yourself actually. On top of this incident I have to contemplate your free and walking the streets

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  18. He fail as a RN to have a PLAN A AND PLAN B.As a charge nurse your accountability and responsibility is the most important part of being an RN.Safety of the residents,co workers and work place.Its his responsibility to ensure to know the best safety routes/plans of the facility and to ensure he has a list of all the residents that are bed bound and able to walk with assistance ad the layout of the facility From day one of the training of a RN IS YOUR ACCOUNTABILITY/Ethics so sad

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    • No amount of horrible words will bring back the lives of the Elderly or make things better for anyone.It has happened and its being dealt with and the grieving process has begun.I honestly do feel sorry for him because he took a major role on and its not easy to manage a Rest Home incharge on night duty unless he has psychiatric or physiological issues which can impair his judgement.BUT NO he was perfectly fine,he just didn’t think something major like this would happen,knowing the major accountability and responsibility in assuring the safety and direction of how to act in such an emergency this major.He lacked the knowledge in fire and safety evacuation and in the ensuring which residents to evacuate first and all .He appeared to panic/and lost judgement /control PLUS he DIDNT HAVE A PLAN ,HE MUST CARRY A MANIFEST OF ALL THE RESIDENTS?CO WORKERS AND FIRE SAFETY OF THE FACILITY or he fell asleep asleep as most do

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      • Jackie, what a load of junk. The guy lit a fire in anger and killed 9 people. No excuse or feeling sorry for him will change the facts. Nothing can excuse these action. Think about what you writing.

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  19. what im writing is the truth..you can say all he nasty things about him,we already know,thanks,no need to tell me …..I dont need to resort to name calling because I all ready know…..the LAW will deal with him ..and God so save for breath for better things

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  20. with apologies to all the good and caring nurses out there….. as long as nursing is just another university degree, something you can apply for because of your marks,( often as a pathway to another career or degree) with no real desire to nurse people, you will find uncaring and unsuitable people out there looking after the sick and elderly.
    Hospital nursing, or a better balance of study and practice, would weed out those who don’t have the real desire or gift or compassion to nurse.

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      • This is why i got out of nursing. To many do-gooders. Taking caring and compassion to a obsessive level and wearing it like a badge that nobody can ever question. He killed 9 people ladies. There is no good or excuse for him. Don’t blame the system for not ironing him out.

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      • As I wrote earlier: “Perhaps if the pay rate was better than bare subsistence-level they might get more and better staff, but until that happens, not much will change.
        Teachers, child care workers and nurses. 3 of the most important paid jobs in society and we pay them a pittance while expecting them to go above and beyond. No wonder the ones for whom it’s not an absolute vocation find alternate careers.”

        It’s not *just* a lack of compassion here, it’s the fact that people have to make the decisions that are best for then and their families. Some people who would make excellent nurses realise that they are better off in different careers, unfortunately.

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        • As an RN better pay rate would be good, but then it is likely that a high pay rate would still attract some who are only in it for the high pay.

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      • Your holier-than-thou attitude is quite irritating, Janet. I usually have a lot of respect for nurses, but you’re undermining it here.

        What’s wrong with wanting to advance in a career? Does it somehow make someone a lesser contributor or an inferior human? Or are they just inferior to Saint Janet of the Insufferable Superiority?

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  21. Why is it that in this day and age when people are supposed to be well educated do we still get nit wits like Janet who think that nursing is a calling? Grow up Janet or go back to school and get a brain. 1) Nurses are not saints. They are normal human beings that think, eat, sleep, and god forbid they also pee and poo. 2) They are required to do a lot more than make beds and bums all day.3) It was hospital nurses who fought for professional recognition and university training back in the 1980s because of their expanding role. 4) The general public expect nurses to well-educated and competent in their role. 5) There is no evidence to suggest that University training turns nurses into killers. 6) The majority of nurses provide excellent care and all nurses have to get ongoing education to maintain their registration.

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  22. Why is it that in this day and age when people are supposed to be well educated do we still get nit wits like Janet who think that nursing is a calling? Grow up Janet or go back to school and get a brain. 1) Nurses are not saints. They are normal human beings that think, eat, sleep, and god forbid they also pee and poo. 2) They are required to do a lot more than make beds and wipe bums all day.3) It was hospital nurses who fought for professional recognition and university training back in the 1980s because of their expanding role. 4) The general public expect nurses to well-educated and competent in their role. 5) There is no evidence to suggest that University training turns nurses into killers. 6) The majority of nurses provide excellent care and all nurses have to get ongoing education to maintain their registration.
    You are full of crap Janet.

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    • Take a chill pill Jane and read my original statement when you have calmed down.
      I have no idea why you have gone of on such a tirade. Lets just hope this Quaker Hill event does not happen again. Cheers.

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  23. Big deal if some or even all nurses want to move up the ladder. They pay for their education and have the same right as anyone else to decide what they want to do with their lives. What business is it of yours if they want to move forward and earn a decent living? You need to learn to stop trying to run everyone else’s life and concentrate on your own. Your life must be pretty boring if you have nothing better to do but condemn your colleagues for progressing forward. Get a life and grow up. Nurses study hard to get their degree and then they are expected to work their butts off for crappy wages. If you want to do something useful then support your colleagues and fight for better conditions, wages and the recognition of nursing as a profession. This is what will cause people to remain in the profession.

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    • Ladies, ladies, ladies as much as you banter turns me on more than you can imagine, i think you have lost sight of the real issue here. A nurse, uni trained or hospital trained, has committed the ultimate sin and killed those he is paid to protect. The guy is a sicko and this would be only be one of many abuses of his power/responsibility he would have carried out over his career. The profession has a dark side and this guy is the personification of this dark side. I can’t believe it doesn’t play out more often. The abuses of power and responsibility play out every day in far bigger organisations than a lowly nursing home.

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  24. This is all the info I could find on Roger Dean

    It is understood that Mr Dean had been interviewed by police on Thursday evening, hours before the fire, apparently after complaints by fellow staff. He had worked at the home for only two months after reportedly leaving another home over a dispute with his employer.
    Mr Dean was working at the time of the fire. The deadly blaze took hold at the nursing home, about 500 metres away from Mr Dean’s townhouse, just before 5am on Friday. It is believed one fire was set with a cigarette lighter on bed sheets in an unoccupied room. The second fire was set in a room believed to have been occupied. He told reporters shortly after the blaze that he helped rescue residents.
    “I knew Roger quite well,” said next-door neighbour Peter Arnold. “It’s a surprise that someone so close could do this. Dean had worked at the home for two months, having left his job at another nursing home nearby after a dispute with management. He shares a nearby townhouse with another man. Next-door neighbour Peter Arnold said Dean had told him he had to resign over ”issues” with his previous boss. ”He said he had to get another job pretty quickly because he had to feed himself.”
    “There was a time when Mr Dean attended church,” according to Mr Bates a church minister. He also said, “People in this community have gone out of their way to support Mr Dean.”
    Mr Bates said Dean, who lives just a short walk from the nursing home and the church, was no longer a regular attendee and he had last seen him about three weeks ago at a set of traffic lights.
    “He had an identity crisis,” Mr Bates said.
    “He would change his appearance regularly. One week he would have dark hair and the next week it would be blond.”
    Dean has been charged with multiple counts of murder.

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    • Im just shocked.It appears he has some serous personal problems which ,I mention this in one of my comments earlier.and it reflects on your practice..I know nurses are human beings not saints as a lot mentioned in many cooments but remember youre paid to ensure safety of the lives who you assigned to by Nursing Council Laws.I found out when a nurse gets in to some sort of problem not this major as Dean,,you will find out you are all alone,not support,even from the ANF lawyers who we think they are representing you and in your favor? NO or your co worker who you know all your entire carrer as a nurse …..no… your totally alone because it affects who ever your assoscaited with..its vital to pay special attention to the meaning of being a REGISTERED NURSE reagrdless of what postion your in ANUM, NUM , NURSE specailist OR NURSE PRACTITIONER and new roles now Nurse Research.Its your responsiblity to update your knowledge and join Nurses Research and update studies to ensure youre entitiled to the name REGistered NURSE…your expertise in all areas of nursing from medical.surgical geriates etc is essential to contiune to your role as RN and your able to adapt to many sitautions in this complex health care system…The word CARING is just not enough in nursing reserach for those who did post graduate studies the word caring is only .5 out of 10 the rest is your full expertise in your general knowledge all in areas of nursing,getting too placid in one area is not enough so if incidents like this arise….if you donr get the best lawyer your left witha hefty fine and you can say good bye to your registration,or if your lucky you get to go on a rehab programme bevause the nursing counicl will have to have a good reason to struck anyone of the registar..so if your not truely in to nursing LEAVE ,no offence to other nurses and the good thing now PCAs are now important part of the Team,,they are the true workers ,work with them theyre treuly a great help to this complex world of nursing

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      • Can’t see any evidence of “serious personal problems” apart from what he’s alleged to have done. Changing his hair colour is not evidence of anything other than he wanted to change his hair colour. But no doubt – once the lawyers get hold of it, it’ll be proof that he has DID and one of his alters did it =/

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        • changing his hair and they he looked everyweek as he might be suffering from an Identity disorder,..its quite a serious matter according the AMERICAN MENTAL HEALTH studies its a psychiatric condition it pays to read everything in detailed but im just reading from what being said about his behaviour and all..i mean its not just the police and lawyers its a Team of Allied Professionals will have to collaborate together

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      • I’d like to see your source for that claim about “American health studies”. It’s easy to make claims that have no basis, harder to back them up. Identity disorders are extremely complex things and some pastor from the church’s opinion is NOT a diagnosis. Even qualified psychiatric practitioners are reluctant to make that particular diagnosis generally. Some even dispute its existence, arguing that it is an extreme manifestation of one of several personality disorders with complicating co-morbidities. But hey – what would they know? The mainstream media in conjunction with someone who believes in an invisible sky-daddy is obviously a much better source of diagnostic data. Until your have a source for your pop culture pseudo-diagnosis, don’t even try. You just look ignorant.

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  25. Well Jackie how do you propose a PCA can help me do my job? I am a RN and I work in a busy surgical assessment centre with one other nurse, though sometimes I am on my own. On an average day we attend to about 70 patients whom we have to assess and triage, we determine which medications need to be ceased or alter the dose; we order various diagnostic tests such as ECGs, blood tests and X-rays and our heads are on a chopping block if we make a mistake; so I guess I would not really appreciate it if I had to look after a PCA who wasn’t trained to do this. Not to worry your day will come because the government wants PCAs to take over the role trained nurses and God help us all when it happens.
    As far as Roger Dean goes, I have no idea what went on in that nursing home and I can only hope that the truth comes out and justice is served. My deepest sympathy goes to the residents and their family as well as the staff who were working at the nursing home.

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    • Hi Jill
      Leave jacki alone, I’m a RN and if we had no PCA, the system wouldn’t work, they work twice as hard as an RN for half the pay, if u can’t work together get out, we should all be paid the same.

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    • Your job is repetive , it would only take 2 weeks to teach a nobody to do your job, put u in emergency and u would crumble to pieces.we supposed to be chatting about justice for victims of tragic fire, not your insecurity

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    • nurses are just like the rest of ‘us’ (i have some for friends) this tragedy has occurred ‘allegedly’, by someone, in their work place. it has nothing to do with their occupation other than to give them ‘the means’, opportunity. (full stop)

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  26. If you want to earn the same pay as I do, then go and spend thousands of dollars getting a University degree and ongoing education. It is hilarious that you come on to this website to discuss a nurse who allegedly caused the death of many elderly residents, and then you promote PCAs taking over my job. As I sad God help us all if this happens. At least I take my role seriously and invest in my education so that I can provide excellent care. What more I don’t earn a lot of money.

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    • Just wondering – could someone post a translation key for all the nursing acronyms? I’m slightly lost as to the positions and training levels they refer to.

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      • RN stands for registered nurse, these nurses study a 3 year degree at University. This course has a practical and theoretical components; thus these nurses also work in hospitals whilst they are at university. After graduating they undertake a 12 month graduate position in a hospital as a first year nurse. During this time they receive ongoing education and are constantly assessed by a senior nurse. Once they complete their graduate year they may do further studies to specialize in a particular area of nursing and most of them do this.
        An SEN is a state enrolled nurse, these nurses complete a 12 month course at a collage to gain a certificate in nursing and many of them also do a short course to administer certain medications that have been prescribed a qualified practitioner.
        A PCA is a personal care worker who completes a short 4 to 6 week course at a TAFE collage or some other institution gain a certificate as a personal care worker. PCAs are able to assist patients with day to day activities such as feeding, showering, dressing, and toileting. However some years ago the government passed a law to deregulate nursing homes and as a result many nursing homes have used PCAs to replace trained nurses. Unfortunately many PCAs now think that they are better than nurses, because they are giving patients medications from a Dosett Box, Webster Pack, and they are performing other nursing duties such as wound care, catheter care, PEG feeds, etc without proper training. If a nurse is on duty and a PCA makes a mistake, then the nurse could be held accountable, however the nurse cannot stop PCAs from doing these tasks if the employer has instructed the PCAs to perform the task.
        Thus you can see the pressure that someone like Roger Dean (as the head nurse working in an aged care facility) would have been under. Though this does not justify the alleged crime.

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        • Thanks Fiona
          Now SEN’s are EN’s or EEN (endorsed for meds)
          My sister in-law completed 6 month PCA training at TAFE Very good training
          I am a RN university trained but was a hospital trained SEN (1980’s)
          I think we have to value all the disciplines that from part of THE NURSING TEAM
          I have worked with the best and the worst

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    • $12000 all it cost me to do my degree, good investment for the $70000 a year I’m earning as a RN , invest in your ongoing study! Funny we only need 20 cpd credits a year,don’t u attend Inservuce at work? Last time I checked work paid me for continued education.

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    • This is a genuine question, not a defence of anyone, but what makes you say that?

      I’ve scanned through the whole thread and while he may be a tool and he’s almost definitely a liar, I can’t see anything that could deserve that label.

      Again, I’m not attacking or defending anyone here, and I’m fully willing to accept that I may have missed something, but I AM genuinely curious :)

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      • I was wondering what made her say that too?
        No I haven’t lied , I was only stating that the person who started this fire might get off with a bull shit story to get the charges down graded to manslaughter resulting in less jail time.
        I also commented on Jill post about her saying god help us if PCA ( personal care attendant) take over in the nursing system, I was a PCA for 5 years and now a RN for 6 years, I was standing up for the PCA they work really hard and a lot of RN show little or no respect to them, the only difference I notice between the RN and PCA is the RN is responsible and accountable for their actions and pays fees to AHPRA for registration .

        Back to the subject the only way we will know why the fire was started is if he pleas not guilty .. If he pleas guilty of just goes for sentencing.

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  27. Well Andrew internet bullying is a crime in Australia and you have been bullied Jill, as well as other nurses that you don’t even know by making false allegations about their skills and competency, etc, etc.

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  28. Well Andrew internet bullying is a crime in Australia and you bullied Jill, as well as other nurses that you don’t even know by making false allegations about their skills and competency, etc, etc.

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    • Make up your mind am I being bullied or have I bullied someone? They don’t need u sticking you head in, your one of those minority group that fuck things for the rest off us you hypocritical bi$&h, you said I’m a psychopath, so im the one who got bullied.

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  29. Found you
    Mr Andrew Gordon Williams
    Nurse
    Registered Nurse (Division 1)
    Registration number: NMW0001132592
    Status: Registered
    Principal place of practice: CAMMERAY
    NSW 2062
    Mr Andrew Gordon Williams
    Personal Details
    Sex: Male
    Spoken languages (in addition to English):
    Qualifications: •DIPLOMA IN ADULT NURSING

    Principal Place of Practice
    Suburb: CAMMERAY
    State: NSW
    Postcode: 2062
    Country: Australia

    Registration Details
    Profession: Nurse
    Division(s): •Registered Nurse (Division 1)

    Registration type: General
    Registration subtype:
    Registration status: Registered
    Conditions, undertakings or reprimands: No
    Registration number: NMW0001132592
    Date of first registration: 27/10/2004
    Registration expiry date: 31/05/2012

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    • Actually, Nola, YOU are the one who is currently using a carriage service to threaten, harass, intimidate or cause offence – I think that’s how the law is worded. Certainly posting someone’s personal data on an open forum is inappropriate at best, victimisation in the middle ground, or highly illegal at worst. You should be ashamed of yourself. You have no right to do this & should be banned by Robbo and prosecuted if he hands over your ip address, which he should. Posting another’s details to score points after your have slandered them and not provided any justification for your allegations when asked reeks of an emotionally and intellectually – note to mention morally – stunted character.

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        • You guys are all bonkers.
          This is supposed to be about Roger Dean, alleged arsonist, not your
          petty bitching.
          Having said that, the spelling errors make pretty amusing reading.

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      • Preplexed I have just read all the posts and I can see why Nola and Brian were angry at Andrew for attacking Jill. If you read the posts you will see that on the 26/11/11 at 11:14 am Jackie wrote: “now PCAs are now important part of the Team,,they are the true workers, work with them theyre treuly a great help to this complex world of nursing.”
        It appears that at 7:38pm Jill responded to Jackie’s comment and asked her: ‘how do you propose a PCA can help me do my job?” Jill then gave examples of the daily tasks she performs in her role as an RN and she stated that she really didn’t want to have to be responsible for a PCA because they were not trained for the role. Jill then indicated that the government is trying to replace nurses with PCAs and she feels that this is not a good move.
        Andrew then came on at 7:48pm and from what I can see, he wrongly accused Jill of attacking Jacki. Then he implied that RNs are lazy, PCAs do all the work most of the work and they are (in his opinion) what keeps the system working.” He also said if Jill couldn’t work with a PCA then she should get out and he claimed that PCAs should be paid the same wages as nurses.
        Based on Andrew’s inflammatory statements, it is clear to me that he was groundlessly attacking Jill and the nursing profession. Furthermore at 8:01pm Andrew continued abusing Jill by stating: “Your job is repetive, it would only take 2 weeks to teach a nobody to do your job, put u in emergency and u would crumble to pieces. we supposed to be chatting about justice for victims of tragic fire, not your insecurity”
        Sorry Preplexed, but I have to agree with Brian and Nola on this one because it is obvious to me that Andrew went on a rampage and attacked Jill and rubbished the nursing profession for no reason. I cannot understand how any nurse could attack another nurse this way and I would not feel comfortable having an aggressive nurse like Andrew looking after me.
        What’s more Andrew then went and attacked Nola (a member of the public) when she stated that Andrews behavior was psychotic. Funny enough he did not attack Brian. Obviously Andrew feels more comfortable abusing women and he did certainly abused Nola because at 9:44pm he said: “I hope you and your small minded brain are not a RN.” Then at 9:53pm posted this nasty comment to Nola. “They don’t need u sticking you head in, your one of those minority group that fuck things for the rest off us you hypocritical bi$&h…….”
        Andrew if you are reading this I hope you realize that this is really appalling behavior from someone who is supposed to be a nurse.
        Preplexed I do not believe Nola has committed a crime by posting Andrews details because she said she wanted to report him and asked him for his name. Andrew then supplied the information and Nola obviously did a search on the public register and then obtained the rest of the information. As this information is already available online to the public, I can’t see that Nola has committed any crime.

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        • Hi Elizabeth,
          So your a good friend of Nola, you conveniently changed Jill post, it should read “Not to worry your day will come because the government wants PCAs to take over the role trained nurses and God help us all when it happens.
          Wouldn’t it be nice if Jill spent less time complaining about PCA and support them so do they can work as a team????!

          And for Brian, he wasn’t even sure about his post he posted, he gave an opinion ,
          I gave Jill my name because she wanted to report me to the police and AHPRA , not to splash all over this forum ,

          I’ll call free legal advice tomorrow, manly community legal centre,

          Say hi to Nola for me when u see her at work tomorrow

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      • Hi Elizabeth – As I mentioned in my initial question to Nola regarding her label of psychopath, I think Andrew is something of a tool and a liar. This does NOT give her the right to publish his details. The argument that it is publicly available is irrelevant. If that was any mitigation whatsoever, 99% of the current cyber bullying cases would have no legal merit. And then there’s her motivations. If she had merely done what she said and reported him, that would be one thing. The fact that she posted it here shows that her interest was more in spiteful point scoring than anything else. As I said, emotional and maturational stuntedness.

        In addition, she never did give her reasons for the label…

        My personal opinion? Trolls gone wild and over-emotive responses. But I could be wrong ;)

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  30. it seems that people are getting way off track….this man has been charged with murder,he didn’t even ask for bail,he is a RN and that makes all nurses feel sick that one of there own has done something terrible,personally it doesn’t matter what type of nurse you are or where you got your degree,you took an oath to care and protect people…..not kill them….

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  31. I am responsible for my own actions, and Roger Dean is responsible for his. If he is guilty then he will be punished. There is no point blaming all nurses for the actions of one. Unfortunately some people appear to be venting their anger out on all trained nurses. This show how ignorant people can be.

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    • Well said Joseph. He is indeed responsible for his own actions and will be judged by god. It doesnt matter if he gets life or whatever in Jail, when his time comes to face his maker he will be judged by him.

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  32. If I was a nurse reading some of these comments I would quit nursing, because it seems that there is a lot of hatred and disrespect from the community toward nurses in general and all the good work nurses do is sadly forgotten when something goes wrong or another nurse does something wrong. Perhaps if we were made to pay for nursing care, we might appreciate the work they do, and if you didn’t want a nurse to look after you, then you could employ an assistant or get your family to look after you.

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  33. A fascinating thread, it’s easy to stray from the point as illustrated here. “Sky-daddy” an amusing term!

    No amount of regulations can deal with the likes of a Shipman, Swango, Robert Diaz, Patel et cetera.

    Whether the alleged human being Roger Kingsley Dean fits exactly into the category of doctors or nurses who deliberately and systematically kill their patients over a period of time is yet to be discovered.

    Actual quotes from Dean himself seem to be absent from any reporting apart from his stated difficulty in dealing with the smoke – a little self centered perhaps, his discomfort mattered more than those who were burning alive inside the Quakers Hill Nursing Home.

    Take a deep breath one and all and try and understand the, thankfully uncommon, personality DNA or fingerprint of healthcare professionals (and other individuals) who kill for reasons we claim not to understand. Robert Kaplan’s book examines this phenomenon and because the public and health professioal does not choose to try and understand, they will be likely to remain unable to recognise the “vital signs” and stop these individuals before they do what they do.

    After about a dozen mass murderers a year “go on a shooting rampage” mainly male except for Brenda Spencer, the aftermath has people and the press naively proclaiming “why did they do it?” people are asking themselves “how did it happen in our peaceful town instead of a New York Subway where it would be expected?”

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    • If the government wants to RV criminal checks befor employment in aged care, how would it work? You can’t predict ones future behavior / mental state, if roger had no record prior to the fire how would this help in preventing this, ??

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  34. Yes Elizabeth you are right Andrew did give out his information and abuse Nola (among others). He actually wrote “Nola This what u want nuckle head? Andrew G Williams Cammery Nsw.”
    Are all male nurses this aggressive? Maybe they go into the profession for the power. Sad very sad.

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    • No not all male nurses are aggressive, stereotype for 1.

      Can’t a nurse have a life out side work?

      Do you think when a police officer is not at work they haven’t jay walked ???

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    • Quick point – he called her “nucklehead” AFTER she called him psychopath. They’re both as bad as each in the tongue-sticking-out-and-name-calling-department but I consider that she took it too far when she gleefully & spitefully posted his data here. If you judge male nurses as aggressive based on this thread, you should also judge female nurses as vindictive based on this thread.

      Personally, I think that neither label can be applied across a gender and profession based on the rantings of a few net randoms, but if you’re going to make one judgement, you should really make both.

      Just a thought…

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  35. you can’t tar everyone with the same brush. one nurse kills does not mean all nurses are killers. one doctor kills does not mean all doctors are killers.

    people kill for lots of reasons, could be personal issues, psychological issues, being pushed too far one day ending up over the edge. this in no way justifies the act however. what i am trying to say is that a “profession” sometimes provides opportunity or access and may not necessarily be related in any way to the crime other than that….and that is the sad thing, these residents were unfortunately innocent and vulnerable victims.

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  36. @Perplexed: “WHAT DOES THE RACE OF THE ALLEGED PERPETRATOR HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?”

    I’m not excusing Roger Dean’s actions, but being a nurse myself of Asian background and having been in the profession for over 20 years now, male Asian nurses aren’t that common compared to female Asian nurses, for a reason. I’ve personally witnessed a lot of racial discrimination amongst nursing staff over the years. For the most part, it’s subtle, but it’s there. Also many elderly residents in nursing homes come from an era when Australia still had a ‘White Australia Policy’, and likely had a family member killed by the Japanese. I myself have been sometimes abused when working in a nursing home ranging from an aggressive “I don’t like you people”, and “go back to where you came from”, to “we beat you in the last war” (for the record I’m not Japanese but that doesnt matter to most white Australians). Nursing is a very much a white female dominated working environment, so being a male and Asian you tend to stick out from the rest of the staff. We don’t know yet all the facts surrounding this case nor do we really know the background of Roger Dean, but given the falling out he had with a previous employer before the fire at Quakers Hill, I suspect the reason why things happened the way it did may be due to a much more personal level, which may likely be some form of perceived discrimination. Male nurses dont train to kill people. It’s likely he simply snapped, perhaps a staff member at the facility or an elderly resident in that room said something or accused him of something. We will probably know more over the following months when his case unveils before the public gaze. It is very sad to all those involved that it caused the deaths of so many people. My condolences.

    N.B.: Despite what has been said in the media, registered nurses do go through background checks – when applying to the university course and by the employer. If Roger Dean had no previous criminal conviction, a criminal background check wouldn’t pick him up.

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    • An interesting & thought provoking comment, thank you. I wasn’t really asking whoever-it-was to give me a profile/reason for the crime, though. I was asking him (the poster) why he brought this point up with no justification, argument, support or rationalisation, as if the race/culture/ethnicity of the accused was somehow critical to the actions he is alleged to have taken. I have attempted to find out where the accused was born but failed – if anyone else could find out, it could be interesting. It’s entirely possible that this man is multi-generational Australian, yet some (ignorant) people can’t see past the superficialities, all they see is what their preconceptions allow them to see.

      I called the poster on his statement and he proved me right. He had no answer, which leads one to assume that his comment was indeed motivated by xenophobia.

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      • u r a fuckin liar i made a comment he being KOREAN i live in ASIA MY WIFE ASIAN other asians of the opinion he is korean ur a know all no nothing.go back to ur pansy patch pathetic piece of trash

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  37. @Perplexed. I myself have conjectured about his background. It is also entirely possible, in addition to what you have written, that Mr. Dean could have been adopted at birth. Children from displaced or mixed backgrounds often have a harder time in society than those from homogenous families. We don’t have all the facts yet. Again, my sympathies go out to the families who were greatly affected by this tragedy.

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  38. Bill could you please make your comment again….. I found you difficult to understand.
    I think you said you have a wife called Asia? Please clarify this Bill.

    Bill are you an Asian male? You seem very aggressive, have you considered a health care
    related job?

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  39. Robbo Hes still alive I thought you was gonna fix things? At least you could find out where he lived sneak around at night and vandalise his property or his landlords property.

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  40. Nola your responses sound like your a jilted lesbian.
    Maybe you need more meat in your diet?
    Nursing is famous for bitchy lesbian female nurses!
    Your actions are no better than ROGER DEANS.
    Leave poor Andrew alone.

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  41. Many people believe Martin Bryant didn’t do it and was a patsy…..so much evidence says he didn’t….won’t go into it now…..there’s plenty if u google martin bryant conspiracy….but i will leave you with this….the tasmanian government purchased a “22” body hearse weeks before the shootings which was used at Port Arthur and tried to sell it soon after…4 ASIO operatives were shot dead in this botched attempt to murder innocent civilians….eye witnesses said the gunman looked nothing like Bryant…first shots were fired when Bryant was 50km away at a petrol station, gunshots were heard on the phone when the police negotiator was talking to Bryant…there was even a you tube video of that but it was taken down…so much more i could go on for ages…It was all about gun control and dis-arming the population of auto and semi-automatic weapons…there are speaking tours that travel around australia telling the truth…much more evidence online…..

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  42. Geez…what load of gibberish. As far as someone ‘assuming’ that that the alleged had some sort of vendetta because older white people remember the White Australia Policy….Oh, my Fucking God! Baseless, and a completely nutty assumption. No one knows why he did it. He was also gay…did the patients know that?
    I’m not pretending that nursing is an easy job, but to attempt to justify the actions of an arsonist who killed dozens of innocent and frail people, is PISSWEAK.

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  43. You lot are seriously a pack of pricks and know absolutely nothing. There was more than one person involved in this. The papers are incorrect about where the fires started. They were started at TWO DIFFERENT ends of the building…So tell me, how does one person start two fires at opposite ends of the buildings at exactly the same time? Hmmmm makes ya think. You lot are out on a witch hunt..why not grow some balls and learn the facts behind EVERYTHING before starting a linch mob. I do not know this man personally, but I do know most of the facts as I know someone who worked there with him. Roger Dean did help save the lives of some of the people. If he wanted to commit murder, do you seriously think he would have hung around to help? No he would NOT have. This was committed by more than one person… Oh and to Robbo…innocent until proven guilty fuckwit…Why dont you do the world a favour and neck yourself so we dont have to breathe the same air as you do….

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    • Great theories Sonia… Pity they are now proven to be wrong. I don’t know where you get your information from but in future I suggest check your sources. Why not now print out your comment (probably on a dot matrix printer) and eat your words

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  44. Well, I’m not part of a ‘lynch’ mob…he has been charged with the fire. This is not a court, just people airing opinions. Your logic sucks anyway. Haven’t you heard of volunteer firefighters starting fires, and then risking their lives to put it out? If you know more about it than anyone, including the cops, why don’t you tell them?
    Anyway, you are just assuming he is innocent, just we are assuming he is guilty. After all, the cops had enough to charge him, and while they can be pricks, they are not stupid. They were onto this guy real quick. You know someone, who knows him. So what? Just gossip, isn’t it?
    Oh, and before you go into your tough girl/slag routine, don’t bother, I couldn’t care less.

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  45. You are all fucking idiots, get a life.

    I like Andrew, I think he is an intelligent fellow.

    I also like Perplexed, he too is an intelligent person.

    Bill and Jill are the most fucken retarded cunts I have come across on an online forum, you two can go get fucked.

    And Bill, having a mail order bride does not automatically give you a right to make comments about a race of people and single this group out from the human population.

    Cheers,
    Danno.

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  46. Thanks for your wise words, Danno. Although I’m still trying to figure out you opinion on the case. Except to say that most of us are fuckwits, who need to get a life, I’ll try to mate, so I can live up to high standards.
    Cheers,
    Dave.

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  47. Thank goodness Dave isn’t a judge. Finding a person guilty before a trial even begins is one step towards an unjust totalitarian society. A fundamental cornerstone of Australian society is that a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court of law, even if you choose not to agree.

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  48. Thats for lesson about the seperation of powers, judiciary/state/politicians, but I really didn’t need it. And if I were a judge, would I be on this blog?

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  49. I don’t want to flog the dead horse that is the innocent-until-proven-guilty thing, but I for one am waiting at least to hear what the evidence is against this guy. I may have missed some media coverage but I don’t yet recall hearing anything from the cops about the evidence that points to this guy as the killer.

    I just don’t get any satisfaction venting hatred and anger towards someone just because they are charged with a crime, without knowing any details.

    My guess is his arrest was based on eyewitness reports? Because forensic examination simply wasn’t possible in the immediate aftermath. So was it patients (reliable?), fellow staff (the real killer(s)?). Who knows? Do any of you know?

    Somebody give me something.

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  50. Yes, you are right, no evidence has been released. From what can gather, police are building a case against him, but have told a judge enough to hold him in jail. That is where he is? I think its been a highly emotive case, and this is just a blog. The only we can go on, is that investigating cops jumped on this guy real quick. And its not because he has form, or anything like that. The are sitting tight on what they know, which they often do, to see what else comes forward. You’ll have to keep an eye on media updates.

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  51. Some of the men on this forum are aggressive monsters. I also get the impression that Andrew uses multiple names to attack people who don’t agree with him and I think Andrew is a PCA not an RN.

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  52. I knew this guy a long time ago. He was insane my parents both said we would end up seeing him on the news some day involved in some terrible crime. Well that day came. I recall him talking about pictures that he took and the sorry of how he killed and tortured some animal. He was so happy about it. It was like he was in another reality. I am really surprised he held our for so long. Maybe there are a bunch of others along the line. I guess he was born like this. Harley his choice. There was something wrong with his brain. No doubt about it. He should have been kept far from society. RIP 2 the victims and happy that I am did not end up as one.

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  53. He has confessed to murdering 11 people and causing grievous bodily harm to 8 others through deliberately lighting two fires in the home where frail elderly residents lived. He lit one of these fires in the room where two residents were sleeping. He has tried to play the ‘devil made me do it card’ and has implied he has various mental illnesses and the need to take medication for these. He is a former mental health nurse and would know all of the things to day to feign mental illness. He knew exactly what he was doing when he committed these crimes. A person who is psychotic or insane does not have the capacity to be as organised as he was in lighting these fires and then proceeding to follow protocol in evacuations. He also fronted the media on the same day portraying himself as a responsible, caring nurse who did everything he could to save residents from the fire, without even hinting he was the one responsible. Additionally he was able to convince a firefighter to allow him to enter the building again so that he could retrieve the medication register which he later destroyed so he could cover up him stealing large amounts of medication. He then lied to police later that day saying he did not steal any medication. A person out of touch with reality or otherwise seriously affected by mental illness would not have the ability to be this organised and deceptive. He knew exactly what he was doing when he lit those fires and he can blame the devil or anyone else but he alone should face the consequences of his own actions and the devastating effects he had on hundreds of people’s lives.

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    • I have met the guy many times. Maybe 6+ he is far from normal. The other people I knew who knew him were also scared of what he could potentially do. If you met him you would see this. This was a while ago. Maybe he managed to conceal it well. But this was waiting to happen.

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  54. I finally remembered where I’ve met Roger Dean before. He used to be on IRC using a female nickname. I recall he turned up at an IRC social gathering around 1996. We were all supposed to rendezvous on Sydney Town Hall steps and was shocked that the “girl” who turned up and wanted to meet me was actually a bloke. And no Roger Dean wasn’t transsexual, he used the female nick to get to talk to people – he claimed no-one would otherwise talk to him. He came across as very lonely and isolated. It was quite a while ago but I never forgot their face. The news coverage jogged my memory.

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  55. His background from child to criminal is useful to know why he did so. Unfortunately, it has been covered up tightly. This system may have its own reason, but it is an injustice to all as no one learn from this tragedy. Open it up so that we can improve.

    This guy is never fit for the job, like many as they only go through the motion. All professions required the basic trait, but then many can pretend.

    Casting the elderly is like outsourcing. Perhaps, there is are better ways in which the elderly can have better control of their destiny whenever they can.

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  56. My heart goes out to all those affected by Roger’s shocking crime. I knew Roger very well years ago, but I ended the friendship because of his unusual behaviour. His behaviour sabotaged one of my relationships because he was no longer centre of attention. I never thought he could be capable of mass murder. Shocked beyond belief.

    I feel so sad for the loss of life and suffering that he has caused. At least the Judge has given him what he deserves.

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