Focus on clues in search for killer of Allison Baden-Clay


Previous threads can be found using the links below

Original First Post (26/04/12) here Second updated Post (14/05/12)  here Third Updated Post  (17/05/12) here Fourth Updated Post (20th may 2012) here Fifth Updated Post  (23/05/12) here

Sixth Updated Post (26/05/12) here Seventh Updated Post (28/05/12) here Eighth Updated Post  (30/0512) here

Gerard Baden-Clay, and wife Allison (inset)

UPDATE 03/06/12

ALLISON Baden-Clay’s cause of death may remain a closely guarded secret until her killer is charged after investigating officers yesterday ruled out releasing the key detail.

How Mrs Baden-Clay died has been one of the primary questions since her body was discovered under the Kholo Creek bridge at Anstead on April 30, 11 days after she was last seen alive in her Brookfield home.

Police commonly withhold the cause of death in murder investigations and yesterday said they would not be officially commenting on how Mrs Baden-Clay died.

“We won’t be releasing any details in relation to the cause of death at all,” Detective Superintendent Mark Ainsworth said yesterday.

But shortly after the grim discovery of her body police had clear views on how Mrs Baden-Clay died, people close to the case have told The Sunday Mail.

It is understood Mrs Baden-Clay’s body was cleared for release for burial only a day after she was found, with police confident they had the information they needed.
In other developments, Mrs Baden-Clay’s husband, Gerard, is yet to gain formal approval for a relocation of his Century 21 Westside franchise from Taringa to Toowong.

In a rare public comment since his wife’s death, Mr Baden-Clay last week said it was “business as usual” in the new location.
However Century 21 owner Charles Tarbey yesterday said he was yet to receive the required application to relocate the business.

Mr Tarbey – who last week told The Sunday Mail he had spoken to Mr Baden-Clay a number of times since his wife disappeared – gave a routine statement to detectives in Brisbane on Friday.

Police also declined to comment on reports that NSW detectives had interviewed a Sydney woman who met Mr Baden-Clay at a Gold Coast real estate conference.

Investigations continue from Indooroopilly police station. Supt Ainsworth confirmed: “The major incident room is still continuing to run.”

Clues to the mystery

POLICE are sifting through key clues as evidence mounts in the hunt to find Allison Baden-Clay’s killer.

The cars belonging to the murdered 43-year-old mother-of-three and her husband Gerard Baden-Clay remain impounded and police are still keen to speak to anyone who might have seen either the white Toyota Prado or silver Holden Captiva or similar cars around the time Mrs Baden-Clay disappeared.

Several questions and alleged discrepancies still remain in the murder investigation, including the timing of her walk, screams heard by residents in another part of Brookfield shortly after she was last seen alive and whether her body was moved by heavy rains or dumped where she was found under the Mt Crosby bridge at Kholo Creek in Anstead.

Mr Baden-Clay has remained tight-lipped about the events surrounding his wife’s disappearance and subsequent murder but said she had not been upset the last time he saw her, which was at their Brookfield home at 10pm on Thursday, April 19.

It’s understood he organised for his sister Olivia Walton to fly down from Townsville this weekend and is receiving ongoing help and support from other family and friends, particularly as he struggles to keep his Century 21 real estate business going and raise his three daughters.

This week, he relocated from his Taringa office to level 5 of Toowong Tower.

Through his lawyer, Mr Baden-Clay has repeatedly refused to publicly discuss or even clarify the circumstances of his wife’s disappearance.

On the day she was last seen alive, Mrs Baden-Clay reportedly had her hair done and looked really well.

The following day, on Friday, April 20, she had a full itinerary, including a work forum in the city and had planned to drop her three daughters off to a slumber party that night.

Police are confident Mrs Baden-Clay knew her killer but are investigating the possibility he or she received help from an accomplice.

Police and Corrective Services Minister Jack Dempsey said he understood the widespread interest in the case and applauded the efforts of police and emergency officers so far.

“The community has taken that investigation to their hearts,” he said.

“We’ll make sure everything is done properly and they (police) know that all of the state’s behind them.”

Anyone with information on the disappearance and murder should call Crimestoppers on 1800 333 000.

Police believe the key to solving the murder lies in clues around these 5 specific areas of interest

Please read this before you go on to read the rest and comment though folks!

I would personally like to make a plea to those of you who choose to make comments, to do so with due consideration to the circumstances surrounding this case and the 3 wonderful little girls lives have been destroyed.

WE all want answers and certainly Justice for Allison Baden-Clay and her family and we can honour her memory by trying to stay respectful of each other on here, whether or not you have formed an opinion on who is the guilty and who are not. Lots of ordinary folks like me and you have dedicated a lot of time to sit down and share themselves so we can have a collective place to delve into the who, where’s and whys of such a terrible crime.

WE are not judge or jury, that is obvious, and each and every one of you is entitled to say what you think, all I’m asking is NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, agree to disagree, and if it needs to be, just do not interact with a commenter you feel uneasy or judged by. You are welcome to contact me with any concerns as I will be stamping my foot down on the type of personal attack that sends valued contributors away and anyone found with multiple names/pseudonyms or resigns as a “New person” will be BANNED… I can see NO legit reason to pretend to be another (new) contributor etc. behave and you can be who you are simple…

Sound fair?

Thanks…Robbo

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1,255 thoughts on “Focus on clues in search for killer of Allison Baden-Clay

  1. This was just found on ‘Justice for Allison” FB Page…..

    “One of the posters on this page was visited by the Police earlier today. They drive a captiva. The police asked about their coming and goings “on the night”.

    Allison’s Captiva seems to now the a focus point.”

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    • Now, I wonder who would be up themselves enough to put thumbs down?! Now, really!!!!?????

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      • Chris, You know I am your supporter. I love you darl!!! And I’m happy to meet you. I know that I would get along with you.

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        • I didn’t direct horrible things to you or anyone else – just Gerbil and Assoc.!!! They are pissed off, and rightly so – coz the police and public are coming to get ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • Hey All – OK – I am convinced that I and many others have pissed off Gerbil and Assoc. – whether it is Blondie, Tone, Chucky, Nige, Elaine, The contact sex magazine, the yellow mustard bum jacket dry cleaning co – whoever – one of the above is trying to jeopodise this web page!!!! Congratulations to the people who are here for Allison – we are pissing them off – that means we are hitting a nerve – well done!!!!

          BTW – Just expose yourself if you have nothing to hide and stop your pathetic little games – you childish intimidation tactics won’t work – us the public will continue to hunt you down, expose you and boycott you! LOL

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      • In addition to this – many of my posts have been altered – as if it is coming from Gerbil and Assoc. or someone else getting off trying to jeopodise Robbo’s site – regulars – please check your posts too and let me know if this is happening to you…..

        LOL – some pathetic little fart is not really happy!

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    • Hi Chris that could well be. Probably a process of elimination as all that we have read points to a vehicle fitting that description was seen around the time that would fit with the crime. However, obtaining proof that the offender was driving that particular vehicle at that particular time is the problem. So to date it is just circumstantial as the driver of the vehicle has not been identified.

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    • If this blog is in support of finding Allison’s killer/s and making them pay, why would a comment like mine get thumbs down? It doesn’t bother me whether you like it or not, but the public are in support of finding her killer! Geez, I wonder who the big, scary intimidators are???!!!??

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    • thx Interested…I can’t believe the dribble…Nearly strangled myself……Now I agree Interested….. back to yr point re … Interested asked a very striking question 4:49pm Wed for the 2nd time: “what conclusion could the QPS have reached” to lead them to the comment “we believe APC may have known her attacker”.
      This is very vital and pivotal…and QPS have their reasons…but why are they so certain it sounds logical to me. Are the clues Forensics? Or Is it possible that there was “no struggle” in the house, and police have seen multiple footprints-other clues (just speculating) including Allison’s footprints or otherclues (just speculating) around where the screams were heard. thoughts please…………..

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      • Miss Marps, miss Marps…surely you and that darned Cat have a theory..or an encyclopedia of humour between you…seems the sites been Feralled Foxes, Gerbils, Springbok skulls on the lodge..if you get my simple drift!…help MM_ ferals abound!!!!- Its a great site- and we are all guessing..but thats no reason to capitulate….Allison’s depraved KILLERS must be found…because they are walking the streets of Brisbane!

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  2. angelkim2012. It is an open forum yes? Its open for public opinion yes? So where is the problem with this? You have also formed many opinions so I cannot see why I am not entitled to do the same. Please explain the vacuum.

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  3. I have no idea in your opinion. I had to use search engines to help me with the tidal flows. The only question I have for you is, how do derive at me having no idea? As stated earlier, I’m open to criticism. I have put forward a theory but I also have another one. Why would Allisons family establish a trust account for the children if they didn’t know something was going to happen to their father and his parents? I should shut up since I really have no idea!

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    • My guess is that her parents wanted to make sure that the children would be looked after in regards to their education and may have thought that GBC would not have the financial means to accomplish that since the Real Estate Business is very up and down.

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    • Allison’s family need all the bloody support that they can get. Think about it!!! They are ordinary people who know what is really going on in this great big mess. They are retired!!! They had probably already planned their lives with the thoughts that those three girls still had a mother.

      OMG. What do I have to say here. Please!!! Yes you should shut up. I see where your husband gets the verbal diahoerra from. Please think before you post. These children need a life, an education, a lifestyle that they may have been somewhat accustomed to with their Mother in charge and for god sake have a heart. It will cost the Dickies (honest, decent, working retirees at least a million dollars to bring these little girls up). Get real Scotts other half…….. I think the flu medication is really getting to you. I know you are not that stupid. Please behave.

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      • Oh dear, I think there has been a misunderstanding.

        I think what Scott’s Other Half means is that Allison’s parents feel that GBC is guilty, hence why they have set up the Trust Account, nothing else!!! She feels that it is an indication of what the police will do with regard to an arrest.

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      • Again, totally agree N B V – go away Scott and Co – and stop trying to turn us against each other

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  4. With all due respect, the lack of new information has relegated this forum into a very odd place for people to bicker and denigrate each other. Keep focused guys, theories are subjective.

    As I have said before, most of us are here for the right reasons: to seek justice for Allison and hopefully, sooner rather than later see charges laid. In the meantime constructive and relevant commentary is the best way for us to kill time waiting for meaningful breakthroughs.

    …and no, I’m not a school teacher :)

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    • Totally agree Sierrakora says …………. look I’m really sorry because you are probably really busy working and taking your precious time out to contribute which to me is extremely important. Do not let others piss you off…………. Please stay focused and just ignore the crap and continue your brilliant contributions.

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  5. I’ll take a breather from it but wait for the arrest and then tell me that I know absolutely nothing. Tell me that I know nothing about her body being dumped like a piece of garbage in scout camp grounds. Tell me I was wrong about Allisons body being dumped into the creek and floating to the final resting place when the tides changed. Even tell me I was wrong about the fight she would have put up hence the scratches on a certain person. To heck with it, you can even tell me I was wrong about her being strangled.

    What would I know? According to some, I know nothing so I’m happy to leave it at that but when the findings are revealed, it won’t be me with egg on my face. I haven’t thrown out wild conspiracy theories and nor have I named any person of interest.

    To those of you have been civil to me today, a big thank you. To the rest of you with absolutely no idea, may the law of defamation bite you fair and square on the backside.

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      • OK – I am convinced that I and many others have pissed off Gerbil and Assoc. – whether it is Blondie, Tone, Chucky, Nige, Elaine, The contact sex magazine, the yellow mustard bum jacket dry cleaning co – whoever – one of the above is trying to jeopodise this web page!!!! Congratulations to the people who are here for Allison – we are pissing them off – that means we are hitting a nerve – well done!!!!

        BTW – Just expose yourself if you have nothing to hide and stop your pathetic little games – you childish intimidation tactics won’t work – us the public will continue to hunt you down, expose you and boycott you! LOL

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    • Scott’s other half, seriously………… you started the day like a fair person with the flu……but now you are starting to really piss me off. Are you guys into Yoga or drugs? What is your situation.

      Stop trying to play the moral scientist on this site. F**k off!!!

      You probably are just the same as the rest of us………U know nothing!!!!!!!!! I’m telling you!!!!!!!!

      I started this morning wishing you all the best for your flu but now I’m starting to wonder if your drink is spiked. Are you for real????

      So……your qualifications are a Paralegal…. you assist others with the law? You are not a Lawyer or a Barrister of Law so please keep your emotions under control. It appear to me like your flu medication may be running away with you. You started the day like a civilised human being and have become the tojan of the night. Please control yourself. Behave!!!

      Look at your last comments to this forum. These comments are ridiculous and abhorrent. Please learn that we appreciate your comments ………….however do not take control of an entire blog site with your opinions and then start to become argumentitive when the comments are not in your favour.

      My personal opinion of you and your husbands behaviour on this site in the last two days………………………………Sorry honey ……………you both suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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      • They are two different people? I don’t think so….. When I get the flu I can’t lift my head off the pillow, just sayinz…..

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        • What happened to the new rules about no personal attacks????? What has changed? I came by to see updates and ideas/theories and stumbled into a bar fight. Come on, guys. Rise above this, for the sake of people who may want to contribute, but are reluctant to do so, due to fear of attack.

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          • Comments have been altered!!! I am convinced that I and many others have pissed off Gerbil and Assoc. – whether it is Blondie, Tone, Chucky, Nige, Elaine, The contact sex magazine, the yellow mustard bum jacket dry cleaning co – whoever – one of the above is trying to jeopodise this web page!!!! Congratulations to the people who are here for Allison – we are pissing them off – that means we are hitting a nerve – well done!!!!

            BTW – Just expose yourself if you have nothing to hide and stop your pathetic little games – you childish intimidation tactics won’t work – us the public will continue to hunt you down, expose you and boycott you! LOL

            WE WILL EXPOSE YOU AND BOYCOTT YOU

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          • You cannot intimidate us – I am convinced that I and many others have pissed off Gerbil and Assoc. – whether it is Blondie, Tone, Chucky, Nige, Elaine, The contact sex magazine, the yellow mustard bum jacket dry cleaning co – whoever – one of the above is trying to jeopodise this web page!!!! Congratulations to the people who are here for Allison – we are pissing them off – that means we are hitting a nerve – well done!!!!

            BTW – Just expose yourself if you have nothing to hide and stop your pathetic little games – you childish intimidation tactics won’t work – us the public will continue to hunt you down, expose you and boycott you! LOL

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    • I was wondering whether i should post this or not but subsequent replies have made my mind up. Scott’s other half u either have a bad drink/drug habit or ur a clarvoyent. Wharever u need to calm down and have repect for other ppl’s comments.

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    • If what you say is later to be revealed and it is true, you might be frowned upon lovie. How is it that you know so much?

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  6. How about we focus on what is important.

    Allison and her children.

    No-one leave, please. Everyone is welcome, and ALL thoughts and theories are more than welcome!

    We need to be kind to each other.

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    • Hi TE, it’s good to read your post. You make sense. Your posts always seem to diffuse the irrational sentiments of those who get carried away. I can’t see why people who post here get so carried away due to lack of information or case development.

      People who post here are observers. They wouldn’t be posting here if they were more than that. It would compromise the investigation. Certainly, nobody connected to the family of the deceased will be posting here. Particularly if they have employed a solicitor.

      The alleged inside information from some who have posted (through “sources”, “informants”) is a joke. The ridiculous claims regarding things like “I heard, but not sure if it’s true…” types of statements are so lacking in weight.

      I agree that thoughts are welcome, but people posting here must remind themselves that they are outsiders. They can sometimes get caught up in the emotion of an event that has nothing to do with them.

      I cringe at the emotional rantings of people who have become so invested in a criminal case that has nothing to do with them personally. Yet… they make it personal. This case is about the deceased and the case to find, charge and convict.

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      • Spot on, GG. Some people seem to be making it “all about them” and are irrationally invested. I thought that the rules here stipulated that if someone doesn’t like another post/poster then MOVE ON. Why the playground posturing here? It’s unnecessary at best.

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    • This ^^^^^ from TE and GG… Thumbs up!!!A little perspective can be a wonderful thing… Thank you…

      I for one prefer to reflect on the tragic circumstances that brought us all here in the first place and am personally thankful I will be fortunate enough to be here tomorrow and the next day and the day after that (with any luck), a blessing which poor Allison has cruelly had taken away from her.

      The anonymity such a forum provides allow us all to express an opinion and share ideas freely, no matter how far out there they may be. To the extent that the eventual “truth” is different to any of the views I have expressed here will ultimately be no skin off my nose. There is no joy or satisfaction in any of this process regardless of who might be right or wrong. I don’t imagine whatever scenario took place will be any comfort for Allison’s girls. They won’t be reminiscing on whose theories were right or wrong in the circumstances surrounding the death of their mother.

      I am simply hopeful that justice for Allison and her family eventually prevails and pray that such evil is never allowed to walk amongst all of us ever again.

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    • Sad how quick it can all go to hell. There’s been ups and downs in the last few weeks on here, but this seems to be a whole new level. Perhaps Robbo needs to pop in with his big stick?

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  7. Get here now Marples………….what the hell???

    Please my old dear………..give us a little hint………a sign……..some hope in what has been a pretty difficult day real my sweet. Show us all (the survivors) how we should really cope.

    Also…………PS…………just a slight tangent of a thought really………the blonde one MH may be back in the equation, (just an impromtu scenario…………maybe lunching with our boy himself at the towers????). Well who knows really because the towers are all starting to crumble because all a great big sudden (and I’m not talking Sudan, Africa………..the websites for this beautiful princess have all but disappeared)..

    Marple I’m talking the whole (previously highly successful companies) website. Gone gone gone!!!!!!!!

    Why and where???? Check it out!!!!!!!!

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  8. Angel, I totally agree, where is that darn cat??? I’m starting to get a little worried about too many foxes in the lair……….Feral too I might add.

    Well just a thought really………those Springbok skulls in the lodge seem to attract foxes (the feral type). What are your thoughts Marple???

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  9. At the beginning of this topic (8 or so threads ago) the contributions were earnest and interested … nobody had a clue, but everybody cared. Now you’re all competing as to who has the best theory and attacking those that refute your theories.

    WTF! A mother of 3 has been murdered by someone known (whom we all suspect) – we’re here for genuine information because 3 little girls are motherless, two aged parents have lost their daughter and some arrogant monster is prancing around pleading to be left alone so he can get back to normal.

    You’re all wondering where the mainstays like Doc, MM, BB have gone – seriously look at this drivel. It’s no longer informative. Sharing theories about motives is one thing … but the current personal attacks and vindications are self serving.

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  10. Here here Angel……I believe I hear them loud and clear……they are amongst us!!!!!!

    SHHHHHHHHHHHHH,,,,,,,…………there they go again!!!!!!!!!

    OMG…….what a few (well really just a couple of days of blogs). OMG once again…….hands up………I’m over it……. Robbo I will pay!!!!!!! Please come back to me!!!!!!!! I cannot handle this shit.

    Ok now lets start with some theories……..Just to make those who have no clue happy once again………………………….

    A legal disclaimer?????? OMG…..I the person who writes shit on this website blog and has no holy fuck of an idea what I’m really writing or my legal consequences because I’m totally stupid and insane and actually really uneducated and dumb and I am an absolute uneducated fuckwit not like others who have helped in the law and understand (as helpers of the law) their rights to the point that they have been drilled by their employers……Go Figure……..

    Well I put the MH theory back out there.

    I’m still awaiting comments for that one and I don’t care if they sue me. Bring it on…………………………I’m waiting to be sued for defamation……….I can’t wait……I’m ready…………..

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  11. Mmm…….sue me!!!!! Waiting in hope and anticipation of being sued for defamation of character……

    It will be an entertaining case for the Judge who hears the case……I’m just waiting for papers in the mail…… I cannot wait to be sued.

    It will make the press for sure………I have no doubt and it will be extremely entertaining. I am waiting to spend some legal dollars on idiots…..I need the tax deductions anyway……..

    Plus……….look out…….I am waiting in anticipation of taking you on in a civil case in court murderers!!! Civil Court is my favourtie jurisdiction and I wait in anticipation to see who will come out on top. I am within my legal rights to say what I feel……..which I have no hesitations in whatsoever in expressing…………Bring it on arse faces!!!!!!!! And make sure you take all of these blogs to court………..I would expect no less……..

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  12. Mmm…….sue me!!!!! Waiting in hope and anticipation of being sued for defamation of character……

    It will be an entertaining case for the Judge who hears the case……I’m just waiting for the papers papers in the mail…… I cannot wait to be sued by your family. It doesn’t bother me or my family in the slightest.

    It will make the press for sure………I have no doubt and it will be extremely entertaining and highly expsensive for you. I am waiting to spend some legal dollars on idiots…..I need the tax deductions anyway……..

    Plus……….look out…….I am waiting in anticipation of taking you on in a civil case in court murderers!!! Civil Court is my favourtie jurisdiction in which true justice is served and I wait in anticipation to see who will come out on top. I am within my legal rights to say what I feel……..which I have no hesitations in whatsoever in expressing…………Bring it on arse faces!!!!!!!! And make sure you take all of these blogs to court………..I would expect no less…..I have never commited a crime.

    I don’t care about what I have to say to alledged criminals who do nothing to stop public thinking of them as bad. Get real. I don’t care. Bring it on arse wipes. I am happy to spend my dollars on sorting you out. I have more than sufficient legal representation (which I’m sure mine is less comprimised than yours). I’m a regular customer. Happy days!!!! I’m happy to pay for justice in my society.

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  13. This forum has certainly degraded into a slanging match which does nothing to help anyone, especially Allison. Scots other half seems to have changed as the day goes on. Perhaps this is Scot playing two roles and he has reverted to his old arguing ways? Its too hard for him to keep it going.
    I will not waste my time reading arguments and foul language that have nothing to do with Allison.

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    • Fly – can’t you see we are pissing of Gerbil and Assoc and this is the only way they can get revenge (they just HAVE to have the last say!) by hacking our posts! Geez!!! It is so obvious

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  14. Sorry Brisbveg,
    I gave her good comments at the beginning of the day as she seemed genuinely interested in what was going on. As the day moved on i saw a very strangre and erratic changes of opinion, not sure why! She has lost my support regarding this. I am feeling sad, but what can u do???

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  15. Guys – I have taken a torrent of abuse from Scott for presenting my theories like anyone else…

    I have never used even a slightly negative adjective to describe anyone in here (except the Baden-Clays!)

    Scotts wife has basically said that Scotts abuse was an “argument” – well its was a fairly one-way argument… its as if I am responsible for his abusive disagreements with other people’s theories!!!

    they have been telephoning Indooroopilly Police Station, taking peoples theories here, and asking the junior constable manning the front counter over the telephone, they are seeking to prove or disprove people theories!!!!

    I am serious here… does anyone follow this madness?

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    • yeah ive been suss on these two since the she calls him boofhead and hes not allowed to call her mrs remark a day or so ago she started out all fair and even and eventually moved to exactly the same sort of behaviour as scott or boofhead or whatever he chooses to be called today its the same person on both lots of posts and they are doing their best to drag attention away from the real issue here they seem to use this forum as a place to elevate their own opinions of themselves at the expense of a cruelly murdered mother and her family piss poor…..

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  16. Ups and downs are the nature of blogs. People come, people go, people stay, people suddenly go nuts, its all in the nature of the entity. I, myself, intend to stick to the end, regardless. I’ve been a bit remiss in not appreciating all posters, and that goes for the truly whacked all the way to the concretely sane. It wouldnt be a blog without the diversity.

    The waiting is hard, it’s foggy, opaque, baffling and irritating, but I am convinced there is a purpose in it. Each day really solidifies my conviction on that. And the purpose is to nail the killer of Allison Baden-Clay once and for all. How long that takes is immaterial, really. I am convinced the Dickies are in the loop and when they come out and say it’s all taking too long, I may revise my posiition.

    Meanwhile. ..

    Meanwhile.. we wait. we think, we watch.

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    • Hey Marple… I know you susbscribe to the TM theory…

      but one thing has been bugging me about the females involved here..

      And that is Olivia Walton… I have gone back and closely examined all he media appearances…

      I think we shouldnt overlook her… I think she has the motive and the means….

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      • redback. the motive and the means in which aspect? as an accessory? as the murderer?

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        • What if ABC had hit Jerry for the divorce, dividing assets, moving on with life or something to that effect… you know… no more pretending that these affairs arent carrying on while Im the compliant mother-of-three-prop for the “respectable” community-linked real estate “mogul”….

          basically no more of this nonsense she’s been putting up with for years, she’s been making plans, slowly but now faster…

          Now, assuming a divorce would cripple his already limping business, it would hit the whole family real hard, especially as the parents seem to sponge off it.

          Now i’m just floating the concept that any future estate the family may own once the parents pass away, would be worth considerably more with ABC dead rather than alive..

          I am saying the family nest egg was under threat… and contrary to their lawyer-driven behaviour now, they didnt wait for the divorce/inevitable messy lawyer bills that would come…

          what do you think ? Trying to Olivia Walton in the picture…

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    • This is the problem with freedom of speech. Rights. With rights come responsibilities. To act in a civil fashion, would be a great start.
      I for one am disappointed to come back after a few days’ break to a mad hatter’s tea party.

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      • Well that’s the 3rd post of yours Danni complaining about how people are behaving. As you yourself said, if you don’t like a post, move on…. Do you have something to say that’s on topic today or are you only in here to voice disappointment that things aren’t going the way you personally would like them to go? Allison’s death is an emotional issue, people are going to speak emotionally and sometimes there are boil-overs when people don’t agree, that’s just how it is in the real world. Discussions aren’t always happy happy, joy joy moments. Talking about rights.. you are impinging on other people’s rights by trying to impose conditions. Its Robbo’s site, he gets to make the decisions about what he wants to see written here. If he doesn’t like what I or anyone else says then he can reprimand or pull the pin.

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  17. I’m intersted in justice being served. I have children and interests in seeing that justice served. I teach my children realistic principles about the systems in which they live. I will not stand for opportunistic behaviour which tries to compromise the system which I teach my children in which to live. I teach my children how to fight injustice, stand up for their rights, honesty and how to behave as humble, gracious human beings living in an extremely fortunate democratic society. They have an understanding of Government, simple law principles, respect and democratic rights. I give my children very little and watch them prosper. They have no clue as to what we really do and they have to make their own way.

    I have nothing but contempt for injustice and will personally pay to have restitution within law if I feel it is injust. That is why I’m quite interested in Angels movement to change certain law which I hadn’t even considered about changing. Thanks Angel for the ideas and tips. Good move and thoughts honey. I’m thinking about taking it up with my local member to get an endorsement for an e-petiton. Give me your actual thoughts about exactly how you want this law changed.

    I’m not about to tolerate even for a second a Mother murderer living in Brisbane, pretending to be (with the family some type of superstar) a business operator of this town, who pretended to be an expert in his field and was not. Who has probably taken money from Mum and Dad type investors and lied to them about future gains by purporting to be an experienced accounting professional – which he was not. A person who has obviously had extremely limited small business operating and professional accounting and finance experience. It makes me very angry. He obviously had diddly squat business experience.

    In my childhood I worked 7 days a week/16 hours a day in business since the age of 12. I am not going to tolerate opportunistic scumbags who come onto the scene and into my world and decide that they are experts of anything when they cheat on their wife, make ludicris self absorbing decisons to upsize in times of downturn, have no experience in their staff’s needs or long term prospects and then cannot pay them and does not understand cyclic changes and challenges of the real time business world living everyday on the floor and fronting the media in times of crisis when diplomacy is your only friend!!!

    GBC, you know I am not your fan. It has been suggested today that you will sue my for defamation of your character. Well……..let me just say this…….bring it on!!! I believe I have a character in Brisbane that is fairly undisputed as reputible and if I say you suck then you most probably do.

    So fuck you and get fucked!!!!!!! I will continue to say what I want and when I want to say it and without people telling me what I can and cannot say. Bring on the unfounded defamation law suits because I’m personally ready. My personal opinion is just that, as a citizen of this country I am entitled to voice my personal opinion.

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    • I’m thinking of sueing Gerald for the opthamalogical offense of that bloody yellowjacket.

      We’ve been down this road with various unhinged folks blithering on about ‘defamation’.. I’ts a load of cobblers where the Baden -Clays are concerned. To review the conclusions go back thru the threads on Robbo’s site and get informed.

      Defamation is a commercial and civil matter, and I’m with North Bris…. stack it up, turn it on.

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    • Thx for the compliment NBV, at least I didn’t piss you off. Sorry for being away for a while, the Scott or Scotts were just ruining it for me personally. The law change came from Caro, and it still seems VERY smart to change, in stopping these crims lawyering up, so as to try and get away with their obvious crimes and give the police the mushroom treatment (Maybe we should change this to the “Gerbil-who turned the lights out? treatment)” Glad to see you are going to follow it up- I am too busy at the moment. Your local member to get an endorsement for an e-petiton sounds great !

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  18. North Bris hit the nail on the head there…

    This is a local community, suburb, city, state, country… and it’s reached boiling point..

    Ropeable is how I’d describe the general feeling right now in Brisbane west….

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  19. It was remarkable just now to go from the bottom of one thread that I hadn’t refreshed since 5th to this new thread started this evening of 7th. Seemed like a completely different forum. I have enjoyed reading contributions over the last few weeks by contributors showing wonderful academic research skills and others with legal wisdom and still others with well thought through theories. I can understand people becoming too involved emotionally with their writings and responding emotionally rather than thoughtfully. But understand this .. I reckon it’s still great reading!!! The odd spat just makes it more spicy… Please keep the pressure on the killer/s for those of us who are time poor but love what you guys are doing here… And thanks …

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      • The victim had had enough of her husbands lies and cheating and broken promises leading to his failure as provider and husband and father.
        Told him she was going to take him for everything he was worth and get out of the relationship.
        His self esteem had been battered by financial failure of his glorious empire, complete loss of face in business community in which he lived for his profile.
        Lovers realised he was not going anywhere so they unhitched from his wagon.
        Victim had been previously abused by husband and was being imminently successful in an area which rubbed his nose in it.
        She spent on hair, he had to put his shaving cream back on shelf at Coles because no credit on card.
        Kids weren’t at home.
        She came home, bitter dispute, she left and he followed and killed her ruthlessly near where her phone was hidden.
        A supporter who 100% was on his side vs victim because of previous discussions came over to help sort the problem. Decision was made to cover up crime and use legal (and contacts?) for protection.
        Victims body was loaded into car and they drove around to find a good dump site. After visiting a few spots and with dawn fast approaching decided to throw body over bridge so it would wash into Brisbane river.
        Then returned to clean up evidence and prepare for police visit and compose story.
        Killer is pleased .. Tough for a few days but now he’s ok.

        I reckon he had been thinking ‘it might be great if my wife went for walk and didn’t come Back’ for some time prior to the murder. Subconsciously he had already committed the crime.

        Apologies to anyone who has been offended by these views and deepest sympathy from me and my family to all those who cared for Allison … We really feel this as a community …

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        • ICANCU – WOW that was very well written… scroll up to my 12:34AM post and my conversation with marple.

          I just said something very similar – but I trying to put his sister (didnt she babysit the kids on the night?) in the picture…

          thanks…

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  20. Just mulling over some past chat…..
    Allison knew of TM a year ago. The affair was off then on again and others in between. I am sure their marriage was very strained and they probably didnt sleep together. Most likely had separate rooms and just kept a facade for the public. If this is the case it is most unlikely that GBC would know, or care how Allison was dressed, yet he could say exactly how she was dressed when she went missing.
    I have to say my husband wouldnt be able to say what I was wearing yesterday or today for that matter, unless he was standing in front of me. lol
    Now was she watching TV when he went to bed? He reported her missing at about 7.30AM. If he was in bed all night, and hadnt seen her in the morning, how did he know what she was wearing? When was she walking, or maybe she didnt at all.???

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    • Fly – Very well said…

      I have stopped trying to dissect this mans lies because I always end up in uncontrollable fits of laughter, and other people in the room look at me…

      No one seriously believes a word that comes out of this mans mouth…..

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  21. Think about this for a second…

    Maybe we are focuing so hard on the WHENS and the WHERES of this case, when we should be thinking about WHY….

    The facts are the gory details…. but why was it done?

    I think we all have some pretty firm ideas as to the principal offender, who I’ll just describe as you-know-who.

    But what about the accomplice/s ? Why ?

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    • Redback: my why is money. I maintain my stance that the death was premeditated and because of money. I can’t agree with your theory of Allison wanting a divorce and splitting the property. Rented house, business gone bust, allegedly GBC’s card rejected at the supermarket and owns (maybe, could be leased) Prado, $300,000 loan – what is there to split up?

      Allegedly there was a change to Allison’s insurance policy a few months ago but there could also be a will (maybe Allison has her own money from an inheritance, sale of house or whatever. Let’s hope she died intestate so any money could go to the kids but if there is a will and Gerard is part of it then that could be a good motive). Sadly he might have been good at murdering but absolutely shocking at cover-up. I believe his family know what he did, whether before or after the death I don’t know but they know. I think Olivia is only a coverup accomplice but very stupid considering she has kids and a husband.

      Allegedly there was a blonde in a tracksuit removing debris from the front of one of the cars seen close to where the body was eventually found so if this is indeed true then we have at least one major accomplice. Whether before, during or after the event I don’t know but as there is a rumour that someone wants immunity from a murder charge in exchange for info then quite possibly she was involved before and onwards.

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      • Ozmosis – yes i agree..

        yeah we have to go back to basics… motive what the biggest one…. money (money can pretty much buy it all)

        Messy divorce could pare down the size of the Baden-Clay fortune… to not much or nothing…

        blonde in tracksuit ? is this MH ?

        related to an toowong real estate agency which has recently been mentioned ?

        removing debris from the front of a car… hmm… not more automobile-antics haha !!!

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  22. What is the ultimate motive of the accomplice/s ???

    Why would they join forces with a deadbeat like this to coverup this crime ? (if that was the limit of their involvment)

    The accomplice/s had to have a reason/s

    What did they stand to gain/lose by participating in this?

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    • Redback, the ultimate motive – family blood. Coupled with an arrogance that they have the ways and means to fight any charges. Of course it shows a lack of compassion towards Allison but I think you will find the father in particular is a hard-nosed, arrogant, selfish P$#@#. As to the possible involvement of the blonde, its not been unheard of that a lover will help in the murder of a spouse.

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      • elaborate a little bit on the family-blood angle…

        Was there mutual dislike between Adams-family in skull-manor and that pleasant, otherwise normal (apart from their previous and apparently fatal, association with the former) family out at Ipswich ?

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        • Redback. this was in answer to your question about what motives an accomplice would have to help the deadbeat cover up. My reply of family blood means that the family would have reason to help him cover up just because they ARE family. It wouldn’t work that way for me, I would never help a family member cover up a brutal crime, whether murder, physical or sexual abuses, pedophilia, rape etc. But I see a difference between me and the BC family, particularly the father, somewhat the mother but not necessarily in Olivia. She is an enigma to me. I feel she does know he did but that she is also extremely uncomfortable in assisting with the coverup.

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      • Bwana, the boss, or as I like to call him, the enforcer (because its his holdhold role) has always troubled me… i wonder how deeply he is involved ?

        I heard someone say that he is so arrogant that he would never even dream Police have the will – let alone the ability – to arrest him…

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  23. Marple….

    My point is motive. What motive did TM have in joining you-know-who in doing this?

    Assume for a second that TM had cottoned on to the fact that he was a deadbeat whose business was faltering (which he is and it is)… and probably had other women on the line anyway…

    and had been disengaging from him gradually over the one year period from when ABC reportedly blew the lid off their relationship in the office….

    creating the first real waves in their own marriage – there had been a couple of flings – but it was winding down and ending….

    and TM was actually exiting the stage when the all this errupted….

    This scenario I have painted doesnt present a strong motive for TM

    Anyone care to comment… Thanks…

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  24. And also…

    TM strikes me as smart but naive.. maybe she was swept off her feet by the dashing, smooth-talking, yellow-suit clad Jerry when he “presided over the sale of her Pullenvale home”. At the time he had it all, career seemingly on the upshot, nice car, community leader, the family name and presumed upper class stock of his aristocratic ancestry… with which he very much conducted himself…

    And for a while the magic was there – maybe there was a spark between them, even narcissists/sociopaths are human – and it carried on and on … maybe with the odd doubt here on her behalf… and carried on and on… until ABC got wind of it and bought the isssue into the open in the office…

    That was when TM saw the writing on the wall for Jerry…. the real estate business going downhill… the family empire – consisting of a B-grade house in Kenmore decorated with skulls … they had a few flings here and there… but she knows there is no future… a messy divorce would leave him even worse off….

    Reading her resume and employment history, she is definitely smart….. and she has demonstrated she is capable of forging careers independently…. maybe so wouldnt get “attached” to someone… especially a deadbeat like you-know-who

    Plus its my understanding that TM is also a mother (a single mother)… which I think gives her less of a motive and more of a reason not to have anything to do with this deadbeat.

    Can anyone add something here ? I am just trying to fire some discussion…

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  25. OK LOOK, this adds more information about the notorious brotha-sista interview outside skull manor…

    I think theres a lot of stuff we havnt seen from the news media that was handed on…

    Olivia is going with the….

    “It’s a nightmare that we hope we wake up from sometime soon – We just need her home,” type-thing… which sounds a little suss to me…. (that is a direct quote – not aired on the available version.)

    look at it in its entirety…

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/search-to-resume-for-missing-brookfield-woman-allison-baden-clay/story-e6freuzr-1226337772426

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  26. A Quote from the previous article :

    The 41-year-old real estate principal suffered minor injuries after crashing into the bus terminal at Indooroopilly Shopping Centre.

    It is understood he was on his way to Indooroopilly police station when the accident occurred, and he has since hired a lawyer.

    A tearful Mr Baden-Clay told Channel 9 yesterday he was cooperating with police, and was distressed his wife hadn’t contacted him.

    “I’m trying to look after my children at the moment, we’ve got three young girls,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

    “We really trust that the police are doing everything they can to find my wife.

    “I’ve tried to help the police as much as I can.”

    Mr Baden-Clay’s sister Olivia Walton said her brother had been “through the wringer” after events of the past few days, but his primary concern was “obviously for Allison’s return”.

    “I just can’t begin to tell you how awful it is,” Ms Walton said.

    “No one should have to go through this, it’s horrific.

    “I don’t know what more Gerard can say … he’s going through the wringer at the moment.

    “The guy’s under enormous stress at the moment and he’s tired.

    “He’s spoken to the police endlessly they have all the information about it.”

    Ms Walton said the family had been left shattered by Mrs Baden-Clay’s disappearance.

    “It’s a nightmare that we hope we wake up from sometime soon,” she said.

    “We just need her home.”

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  27. Here’s a snippet:

    Up until now I thought ABc’s iPhone ran out of power when the Police had tracked it to a 2-3km radius…

    But according to this article, Police were able to track it to within a 150m radius at Brookfield, close to the family home, before the battery died…

    If true…

    This could mean:

    - police have the iPhone, just not letting it on.
    - the iPhone is still out there, waiting to be found, in a smaller area closer to the BH residence.
    - raises the spectre that someone (offender/accomplice) placed/or had the phone around them or even on them, as the initial stages of the police search started as some sought of decoy.. and perhaps even turned the device off before its battery life was depleted to prevent possible discovery.

    There quote is near the bottom of the article:

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/grief-for-lost-daughter/story-e6freoof-1226346302840

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  28. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW – There are many entries that I have posted that have been re-written and NOT managed etc. Geez Gerbil and Assoc. – you must be desperately hanging on to something!!!

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  29. many of my posts have been altered – as if it is coming from Gerbil and Assoc. or someone else getting off trying to jeopodise Robbo’s site – regulars – please check your posts too and let me know if this is happening to you…..

    LOL – some pathetic little fart is not really happy!

    NorthBrisVeg – one of my entries is saying for YOU to fuck off – but I wrote Gerbil and Assoc. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Hi Chris,

      Can you identify which posts have been altered and let Robbo know?

      Actually, it would be good to know what has been altered – you may be onto something.

      Robbo said that someone was trying to hack into the website, and that he was contacted about this.

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      • Thanks TE I will do that this morning, but in the meantime, we need to spread the word – like I have been repeating my post throughout this thread!!!!!!!!!!

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        • Hi Chris & TE, I have had a looked at some of my posts and they appear to have been rewritten as well. How does that happen? Have we been hacked>?

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          • Hi Northbrisveg,

            Good morning!

            Your posts have been written as would not be your grammar, and/or some of what you’ve written has been removed?

            I don’t know any answers :(

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  30. Hi Redback,
    I have read all of those posts that you put up and I do find it interesting that Olivia said that Gerard has been talking endlessly to the Police and that they had all the information about it. It is interesting that she used the words horrific and that she said she couldn’t tell the reporter how awful it is. That Gerard was stressed and tired.

    I’ve always felt that she had been instructed by the parents to protect her brother, because she was often seen with him in the first days after Allisons disappearence trying to run from the media. The media can be fairly relentless in their pursuit of a story. That can be extremely disturbing in itself particularly if it is not controlled.

    What I don’t understand is that the Clay Clan never used the media to make a direct plea for Allison’s return, nor have they used their Barrister to make a public statement – something – anything.

    * No plea to the media asking for Allisons safe return or asking the public to come forward to the Police if they had seen Allison and the time she disappeared.
    * No information about when he last saw her alive and asking her on TV to please come home – he only says that he trusts the Police are doing everything.
    * No thanks to all of the rescuers and the Police after the body had been found. Not even a simple statement through the Barrister – who I thought was partly hired to deal with the media.

    It is all very strange and then Olivias comments “I don’t know what more he can say……he is going through the wringers at the moment.” It seems from Olivias comments is that she is more concerned about Allison being returned at that stage so that she can look after the children again and take the pressure off her brother rather than a concerned message for a missing person.

    I personally do not believe that she was directly involved in the murder or disposal of Allison’s body but I think she knows a lot more than what she is giving up. Her knowledge however about the “state of the marriage” would have been knowledge that she has been fed over a telephone months prior to Allisons disappearence. Olivia apparently told reporters that Allison suffered from depression – if that is true, then it seems that the family had been painting a picture of Allison as being sick and putting a strain on poor old Gerard. All the comments seem to be more concerned about consoling Gerard than actively searching for Allison.

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    • I used to think poor Olivia had being drummed into the role as family spokesperson, probably under considerable pressure from the enforcer of the household, Nigel. I started with the thought that she had been unwittingly dragged into it – and that may still be the case – but I am begginning to suspect she has been dragged in far further…

      She knows more thans shes letting on at a bare minimum…

      She’s a liar and everyone know its.

      And wasnt she the babysitter for the kids on the sleepover ?
      I want more answers about this………

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      • Yes that is a good point Redback and I must admit when I look at some of the press on her she does look very distressed. Using those words that she used as well. And it all just seems to be so much concern about Gerard and the stress of the ordeal on him rather than the main focus which should have been the search for Allison

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        • Well Laughter In the Rain,
          They’d have to be on crack to think they’d get away with such a terrible crime. Only someone on crack would think to dispose of someone’s body like this. If there was a chance that they weren’t then they have far more serious issues then crack smoking that’s for sure…..

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    • All of the actions of GBC and the BC family are about protecting themselves,they have not shown any genuine concern at any stage for Allison and her family! It is all about them!No statement thanking all the many people and police searching, no pleas to help find her or for information. The only comment was for his business, because that of course is very important to him and his huge ego! Such a statement that it was business as usual, so smug and annoying. Were is this mans humility,if he is innocent what have he and they got to be secretive and defensive about.

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  31. And yet again, I will post this – I am convinced that I and many others have pissed off Gerbil and Assoc. – whether it is Blondie, Tone, Chucky, Nige, Elaine, The contact sex magazine, the yellow mustard bum jacket dry cleaning co – whoever – one of the above is trying to jeopodise this web page!!!! Congratulations to the people who are here for Allison – we are pissing them off – that means we are hitting a nerve – well done!!!!

    BTW – Just expose yourself if you have nothing to hide and stop your pathetic little games – you childish intimidation tactics won’t work – us the public will continue to hunt you down, expose you and boycott you! LOL

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  32. The Belle Property Site at Toowong was not active last night but this morning it is active with only one person missing from the staff profile now. I’m wondering where they have gone?

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  33. Hacking or not…. questions will still be asked…. we will get to the bottom of this…

    NOW… I want to address a delicate issue.

    All over Australia and Queensland and Brisbane, people know certain people have done certain things… there is a fairly strong school of thought that certain people are the offfenders…

    But in Brisbane west, right into the heart of the area of the crime, there are still a number of blind-loyalists to a certain known family…who spout the “innocent until proven guilty” thing based on his class, perceived-wealth and name… and what they really mean is “give the guy the benefit of the doubt”.

    In every livingroom, tempers and frustrations are flaring over this debacle… and at the epicenter I sense some community division… But we want answers…

    Margaret De Wit is the longtime Brisbane city Councillor for the ward of Pullenvale, which covers the area, and lives nearby.

    She made a visit to the Skull Manor to check on the welfare of the BC family (!) on 28th April ( go to the Nigelaine “pash” video” at 40 second mark) where she made a thoughtful statement about the welfare of the BC children – which stood in stark contrast to her ill-thought actions in blundering into a murder-investigation.

    Did this woman even think before going in here ? She is a politician!

    Infact, when some real nasty speculation about that family exploded the day before, she felt compelled to issue a strong public statement of support of the Baden Clays, on the 27th.

    I want to know how she knows – and if her or her husband – have any financial dealings with the Baden-Clays.

    AND I have been looking for evidence – any, even been asking around – if you attended the police command post at the Brookfield showgrounds during the search for ABC – and if you did, did you visit the Dickies in the same capacity as you visited the Baden-Clays ???

    It in your electorate !!!! and I have not been able to establish you went there ?!?

    Margaret de Wit… prove me wrong…

    Earth and the City of Brisbane to Lord Mayor Graham Quirk – Wheres your leadership on this ?

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    • her public statment of support for the Baden-Clays is at “mother missing” by tenqueenslandnews on YouTube from 56 second mark…

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  34. NOW… I want to address a delicate issue.

    All over Australia and Queensland and Brisbane, people know certain people have done certain things… there is a fairly strong school of thought that certain people are the offfenders…

    But in Brisbane west, right into the heart of the area of the crime, there are still a number of blind-loyalists to a certain known family…who spout the “innocent until proven guilty” thing based on his class, perceived-wealth and name… and what they really mean is “give the guy the benefit of the doubt”.

    In every livingroom, tempers and frustrations are flaring over this debacle… and at the epicenter I sense some community division… But we want answers…

    Margaret De Wit is the longtime Brisbane city Councillor for the ward of Pullenvale, which covers the area, and lives nearby.

    She made a visit to the Skull Manor to check on the welfare of the BC family (!) on 28th April ( go to the Nigelaine “pash” video” at 40 second mark) where she made a thoughtful statement about the welfare of the BC children – which stood in stark contrast to her ill-thought actions in blundering into a murder-investigation.

    Did this woman even think before going in here ? She is a politician!

    Infact, when some real nasty speculation about that family exploded the day before, she felt compelled to issue a strong public statement of support of the Baden Clays, on the 27th.

    I want to know how she knows – and if her or her husband – have any financial dealings with the Baden-Clays.

    AND I have been looking for evidence – any, even been asking around – if you attended the police command post at the Brookfield showgrounds during the search for ABC – and if you did, did you visit the Dickies in the same capacity as you visited the Baden-Clays ???

    It in your electorate !!!! and I have not been able to establish you went there ?!?

    Margaret de Wit… prove me wrong…

    Earth and the City of Brisbane to Lord Mayor Graham Quirk – Wheres your leadership on this ?

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  35. NOW… I want to address a delicate issue.

    All over Australia and Queensland and Brisbane, people know certain people have done certain things… there is a fairly strong school of thought that certain people are the offfenders…

    But in Brisbane west, right into the heart of the area of the crime, there are still a number of blind-loyalists to a certain known family…who spout the “innocent until proven guilty” thing based on his class, perceived-wealth and name… and what they really mean is “give the guy the benefit of the doubt”.

    In every livingroom, tempers and frustrations are flaring over this debacle… and at the epicenter I sense some community division… But we want answers…

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  36. I’m trying to stir the pot…

    But think back to the day ABCs body was found. A certain western-suburbs business identity, who I shall refer to as Colonel Mustard Jacket, was paid a visit by atleast two very large gentlemen.

    These quite beefy gentlemen were detectives, arriving to break the news that a body had been found. They were filmed entering the building, then proceeding to a rear office to join a thrid person, presumably CMJ, and which was partly visible through a glass window in the actual office. Three figures can be seen, one of which sits down (our man?).

    It can be seen at ALLISON BADEN-CLAY UPDATE 010512 on YouTube at the 40 second mark.

    Now, I wonder… in the privacy of that office… did they pop the question ? Was any pressure applied ?

    inanother clip of the same events of detective can be seen speaking on a mobile phone – and “the boss” BWANA trades in the V8 Statesman for the vomit-colored, “gold” Suzuki, and he appears to drive out of the parking area at some speed, apparently not wishing to join CMJ and the beefy gentlemen.

    Wonder why not ? That Suzuki (Reg. WGP02) is a familiar sight in the many automobile adventures that this family seem to embark upon…

    Does anyone have any information on that or this piece… ???

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    • Go to “Body found in Baden-Clay search” on YouTube, 1:34 second mark to see some office action and lead-foot Bwana flee the scene….

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  37. Yesterday I mentioned that I thought that Scott and Scots other half were the same person. Seems I was half right? Now I am wondering if it is the BC clan?
    What are your thoughts on this?

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      • Best to just ignore. I personally have read all the post’s on here and will continue untill Mr Yellow jacket scum bag is in JAIL. Scott scot other half Are the only post’s I have ever skipped past!!!!

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  38. This little Fly has a wish that posts could be numbered. Its impossible to follow now :(
    It would be so good to refer to post 967 etc,

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  39. Redback… the post I put up regarding TM was in regard to immunity. .. although Mr Tullly’s post did not differentiate between total immunity ( a rare and extremely unlikely procedure) and partial immunity ( not so rare, and quite possible) .. and I am presuming her position is before the actual murder. … there is a stiff sentence for that, and often its tougher than the sentence for an accessory after …

    Which is why I think if it is her seeking some portion of immunity, she has every reason to do it. Not morally, but for self preservation. . ..

    What could be that she is seeking , if it is her , immunity for is knowledge of the long term premeditation. ..

    To gain that partial immunity, she would have to have verifiable and concrete evidence to back up her story. Letters, email, recorded messages, all that sort of thing. The person seeking immuninty would , I think , also have to refer to fear, threats, and a very good reason to stay silent.

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    • Oh I’m with you on this one Marple, I was just trying to provoke debate and challenge your theory to make it stronger…

      I see what youre saying about immunity and the different types and different issues that arise, i will look into it..

      But what about the motive for TM ??? I am having trouble building a motive… paint me a motive Marple that gets me wanting to reach into my computer monitor, grab TM by the throat, and choke her to death as soon as I read it..

      I dare ya… hahahahahaha hahaha (evil laugh) ;-)

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      • say please, Marple, paint me a picture..

        the motive for TM to seek immunity? Because , I presume , she would have gone along wih Gerard in his idiotic fantasy…. and he has some sort of proof for that.. HER job is to outline the fear and terror of her own life that made her stay silent when Allison went missing. Thats the big job her lawyer has on his hands.. if it is her, of course. Because that is the only reason she could in fact gain immunity.. If her own life was threatened , as she saw it. To stay silent because Gerards a nice bloke is no defence. Whoever is seeking immunity, if that really is the case, is under the very same constraint.. their whole basis for seeking such HAS to be fear of their own life IF they spoke out, its about the only grounds any type of immunity is granted, even if it is only the tiniest partial bit of immunity.

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        • well explained on the immunity… condensed all the legal mumbo-jumbo i was reading into something readable…..

          I meant why did she join in on this murder ? why did she do it !!!! ???

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        • She could, with some authority I think, argue her life is in danger…

          Who knows what would happen with that family on your hammer…

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  41. Pity GBC and accomplices didn’t commit the murder in Victoria because Victoria does not have Double Jeopardy :0 Then immunity would not be required, which I am not a fan of, it can lead to injustices for victims……In this case, I would approve of immunity because I am thinking of the three girls, and closure for the family….If Paul Tully is correct, I am betting on Olivia being offered immunity…IMO it won’t be Bwana or Elaine……I think the unwanted pressure is taking it’s toll on Olivia. I don’t think its TMH as I believe she was only questioned in relation to the affair to establish motive for murder….I think NBC is the only person who would have been strong enough to assist in desposing of the body so cleanly…IMO TMH would not be strong enough to assist in the desposal without leaving forensic evidence of some discription…….

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  44. Redback, can’t find your post about the videos but I can assure you it has been seen and discussed, ditto Olivia’s lame attempt at trying pass off GBC’s injuries as a fall.

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  45. Folks, the alleged immunity isn’t necessarily an immunity from a murder charge (which is rarely, if ever, granted) – an immunity from prosecution for assisting in the disposal of a body is more likely.

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