Allison Baden-Clay Murder Investigation continues here…


Previous threads can be found using the links below

Original First Post (26/04/12) here Second updated Post (14/05/12)  here Third Updated Post  (17/05/12) here Fourth Updated Post (20th may 2012) here Fifth Updated Post  (23/05/12) here

Sixth Updated Post (26/05/12) here Seventh Updated Post (28/05/12) here Eighth Updated Post  (30/0512) here Ninth Updated Post (02/06/12) here

Hi all I have started a new thread for everyone to continues the discussion. These last few days things have gone a little crazy,I have been at the hospital with my sick son! Please think about what you write here and show respect. I have not been here to oversee the commnets and it is sad to hear people abusing the guidelines I set…I will update this, and take some action as required when I get back later today…Thanks

09/06/12 UPDATE FROM THE COURIER MAIL THIS MORNING…NOTHING MAJOR, NOR SURPRISING, GERARD’S BUSINESS IS GOING DOWN….(NEED A WOOLIES DOWN DOWN FINGER)

BUSINESS within the real estate operation owned by the husband of murdered mum Allison Baden-Clay has all but ground to a halt in the seven weeks since his wife went missing.

There are no new house listings on his website or realestate.com and industry experts say they don’t know how his Century 21 Westside franchise will survive.

Mr Baden-Clay told The Courier-Mail it was “business as usual” after relocating from Taringa to Toowong last week and a staff member confirmed yesterday that was still the case.

“We’re all still working,” the receptionist told The Courier-Mail yesterday morning. “It is still business as usual.”

There are only two houses listed for sale on the Century 21 Westside website, but it’s understood they were sold before his 43-year-old wife’s body was found at Kholo Creek, Anstead, in Brisbane’s west, on April 30.

Police are yet to reveal a cause of death because it would hamper the investigation, but they believe Mrs Baden-Clay knew her killer.

The Courier-Mail revealed this week that the white Prado driven by Mrs Baden-Clay had been returned to her husband, who was now driving it again.

It’s unknown what has happened to the silver Holden Captiva he used to drive.

Meanwhile, the Brookfield community is still raising money for the trust fund set up for the welfare of the couple’s three daughters.

Mr Baden-Clay does not have access to the trust.

A cricket day fund-raiser will be held at Brookfield Show-grounds on June 24 and anybody wanting to donate raffle prizes are urged to email Mike Kaye.

If anybody has any information that can help police in their inquiries into Mrs Baden-Clay’s murder, call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

The Investigation in Allison’s Murder continues

Please read this before you go on to read the rest and comment though folks!

I would personally like to make a plea to those of you who choose to make comments, to do so with due consideration to the circumstances surrounding this case and the 3 wonderful little girls lives have been destroyed.

WE all want answers and certainly Justice for Allison Baden-Clay and her family and we can honour her memory by trying to stay respectful of each other on here, whether or not you have formed an opinion on who is the guilty and who are not. Lots of ordinary folks like me and you have dedicated a lot of time to sit down and share themselves so we can have a collective place to delve into the who, where’s and whys of such a terrible crime.

WE are not judge or jury, that is obvious, and each and every one of you is entitled to say what you think, all I’m asking is NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, agree to disagree, and if it needs to be, just do not interact with a commenter you feel uneasy or judged by. You are welcome to contact me with any concerns as I will be stamping my foot down on the type of personal attack that sends valued contributors away and anyone found with multiple names/pseudonyms or resigns as a “New person” will be BANNED… I can see NO legit reason to pretend to be another (new) contributor etc. behave and you can be who you are simple…

Sound fair?

Thanks…Robbo

The post from Paul Tully folks are commenting about is here…

Allison Baden-Clay Murder: Is the Attorney-General planning to offer prosecution immunity?


The apparent slowdown in the police investigation into the murder of Brookfield mother of three Allison Baden-Clay has triggered sensational suggestions the police will seek approval from the Queensland Attorney-General Hon Jarrod Bleijie to offer immunity from prosecution to a person facing charges over the murder, as an accessory before or after the fact.
Speculation has been rife that several acquaintances of the murderer face charges as accessories to the murder.
Although the police have a prime suspect for the murder and apparently have no doubt whatsoever about that person’s guilt, they are apparently facing some serious evidentiary problems in proving their case beyond reasonable doubt before a judge and jury.
If the evidence of a reluctant accessory would overcome that evidentiary difficulty and ensure the guilty party is brought to justice, it would be a powerful inducement to a person in such predicament to give evidence against the murderer in exchange for an iron-clad deal to give them legal immunity from prosecution.
Normally, such immunities are rarely given early in a murder investigation.
But this is such an unusual case which has captured the hearts and minds of all Queenslanders, any deal which the police consider necessary to put the actual murderer behind bars would be a totally appropriate way of ensuring that justice is finally done in this bizarre case.
If reports are true, the Indooroopilly Police Station quietly nestled between Moggill Road to the south and Vincent Street to the north is about to explode into a hive of activity when the murderer is brought in for questioning and is formally charged with the murder of Allison Baden-Clay.
Only then will the people of Brookfield breathe easy and her family will finally achieve the peace they deserve.
In the meantime, the CMC may already be using its “Star Chamber” coercive powers to make people talk.  The public is never told about this and those appearing before these secret CMC interrogations must answer the questions put to them – on pain of major fines and jail sentences.  If the police have conscripted the CMC to do this – in order to get admissions and confessions from anyone connected with the case – then we are likely to never know.

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  1. The latest from CM
    Online plea for husband from Allison Baden-Clay’s in-laws

    A RELATIVE of Gerard Baden-Clay has urged friends not to lose faith over salacious gossip and warned them to expect “more and worse” to emerge.

    Just after the discovery of the body of Mr Baden-Clay’s wife, Allison, his brother-in-law, Pastor Ian Walton, wrote a message online describing the family’s heartbreak.

    “Well it has been confirmed. Our darling Allison has died,” the message began. “We love her so much and can scarcely believe that her gentle, loving life has come to an end!

    “Our house is full of deep grief and abounding love.

    “We are doing all that we can to support those around us, especially Gerard and their beautiful girls, who are heartbroken.”

    Quoting a Bible passage that refers to being “struck down but not destroyed”, Mr Walton went on to criticise coverage of the Brookfield mother-of-three’s disappearance and death.

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    “Precious friends, on another matter you need to be aware that the media are glorying in the most revolting and salacious gossip. They seem determined to do all possible to damage and destroy.

    “They have virtually imprisoned us in the house! They have NO regard for Allison or her family – despite their ‘crocodile tears’ for Allison. I warn you that there may be more and worse to come.”

    Mr Walton – who is married to Mr Baden-Clay’s sister, Olivia – also told how the family had made a collective decision to remain quiet.

    “Please do not put your trust in what you read and do not lose faith at this time.

    “We have decided not to speak publicly to the media and to grieve in private.

    “We may pay the price for this in the ‘court’ of public opinion.”

    The message ends: “We have been so blessed by the unconditional love, support and prayer of family, friends and loving strangers.

    “We see you as God’s hands and feet … We thank you from the depth of our heart.”

    Mr Walton, from Townsville’s Northreach Baptist church, yesterday said the message was written “in a moment of great grief” to friends. It is believed the message was put up on his Facebook page around the day after Mrs Baden-Clay’s body was discovered under the Kholo Creek bridge at Anstead, on April 30, 11 days after she was last seen alive at her Brookfield home.

    After the message was prepared, it emerged Mr Baden-Clay had an affair with a former staffer interviewed at least three times by police, as part of the investigations.

    A core group of about 15 detectives continue to work on the case from a major incident room at Indooroopilly police station.

    Detective Superintendent Mark Ainsworth yesterday said: “The investigation is progressing and we are confident of a resolution.”

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  2. ‘Mr Walton, from Townsville’s Northreach Baptist church, yesterday said the message was written “in a moment of great grief” to friends.’

    …..and?

    Oh and what’s that?……… A RELATIVE of Gerard Baden-Clay has urged friends not to lose faith over salacious gossip and warned them to expect “more and worse” to emerge.

    …..why?

    and not to overlook…….Quoting a Bible passage that refers to being “struck down but not destroyed”, Mr Walton went on to criticise coverage of the Brookfield mother-of-three’s disappearance and death.

    “Precious friends, on another matter you need to be aware that the media are glorying in the most revolting and salacious gossip. They seem determined to do all possible to damage and destroy.

    ……..Really?

    …….Allison’s family were struck down……… and destroyed!

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  3. After reading the recommended page in the Sunday Mail this morning…..

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/online-plea-from-allisons-in-laws/story-e6freoof-1226390060831

    This is a message that Livvie’s Pastor husband had published (I may say, to the public!!!)

    “Precious friends, on another matter you need to be aware that the media are glorying in the most revolting and salacious gossip. They seem determined to do all possible to damage and destroy.
    They have virtually imprisoned us in the house! They have NO regard for Allison or her family – despite their ‘crocodile tears’ for Allison. I warn you that there may be more and worse to come.”
    “We have decided not to speak publicly to the media and to grieve in private.
    “We may pay the price for this in the ‘court’ of public opinion.”

    After the message was prepared, it emerged Mr Baden-Clay had an affair with a former staffer interviewed at least three times by police, as part of the investigations.

    Well, in my opinion, the last line of ‘paying the price of public opinion – the above statement says it all – it was YOUR family, dear Pastor, who caused all this, not the public! LOL

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  4. ……..in the Sunday Mail this morning…..

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/online-plea-from-allisons-in-laws/story-e6freoof-1226390060831

    This is a message that Livvie’s Pastor husband had published (I may say, to the public!!!)

    “Precious friends, on another matter you need to be aware that the media are glorying in the most revolting and salacious gossip. They seem determined to do all possible to damage and destroy.
    They have virtually imprisoned us in the house! They have NO regard for Allison or her family – despite their ‘crocodile tears’ for Allison. I warn you that there may be more and worse to come.”
    “We have decided not to speak publicly to the media and to grieve in private.
    “We may pay the price for this in the ‘court’ of public opinion.”

    After the message was prepared, it emerged Mr Baden-Clay had an affair with a former staffer interviewed at least three times by police, as part of the investigations.

    Well, in my opinion, the last line of ‘paying the price of public opinion – the above statement says it all – it was YOUR family, dear Pastor, who caused all this, not the public! LOL

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    • The most contemptible part of this mans statement is…

      “They have NO regard for Allison or her family – despite their ‘crocodile tears’ for Allison.”

      What gives the man the nerve to make such a broad-sweeping assertion ?

      The media in general and the Courier Mail in particular have exercised excellent judgement in covering a complex story that is a legal minefield. (and I am not the first to point this out, someone, I forget who, wrote a good article nailing this exact point)

      I applaud the Courier Mail, the many media outlets and the journalists laboring on this and other stories…. keep it up…. the deserve credit, not scorn…

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  5. Have been reading another site and pondering over the posters comments and theories last night. For the first time in this bizarre murder, this makes some sense to me, and thought I’d share it for your comments.

    There was mention that Allison was depressed, by OW and Allison’s friends (in the CM) before her body was found. Strange to mention it while she was still missing I thought. I’ve wondered why her body was disposed of in that place, as do we all, and why the police are looking at the movements of both the BC cars being used on the night she ‘disappeared’ as we’ve looked at here why would you need two cars to dispose of a body.

    Posters on the other site have come up with this: the BC clan decided to make her disappearance look like a suicide. I know this has been mentioned before but the pieces of the puzzle seem to fit. They took 2 cars to Kholo Creek planning to leave one behind – as it’s clearly too far for someone to walk there – and then pushed her body through the railings of the bridge to make it look like suicide. But something has disturbed them, possibly someone driving past who they knew, or just the fact that they believed a witness could report that the 2 vehicles had been seen together near the bridge. So in a panic they abandon that plan and drive the 2 cars back to Brookfield.

    There has been much speculation about what the police saw when first called to the BC home on Friday 20th April. In line with the theory above, I’m putting this out there. It’s possible that GBC could have told police that Allison suffered from, for example, clinical depression and that he was really concerned about her state of mental health etc. etc. and this is what instigated the initial ramp up of the search. He could even have stressed something like she’d been acting strangely or that she had talked about suicide to push his point.

    Apparently after Daniel Morcombe’s disappearance, police changed their procedures regarding missing persons. See link http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/police-procedure-for-missing-persons-cases-changed-20110406-1d3sy.html#ixzz1xJPiZ5Xp

    “He said recent procedural changes meant it was now mandatory for officers to immediately create missing persons reports for youths, the elderly, and people with mental illnesses.”

    I am not for a minute suggesting that Allison was in fact depressed, but it’s a possible explanation of how things unfolded that we can consider. It would explain a few things about why 2 cars were used, and why the BC family hinted at her state of mental health. To take the heat of themselves.

    Here is a link to IW’s image http://www.northreach.org.au/about-us/whos-on-the-team. It seems that the W’s moved to Townsville in 2011, and have 3 children.

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    • Sad for Allison….When G gave his only interview to the media (as far as I’m aware) the reporter asked G….. something like “was she upset?” His reply was noooo. I can’t see him telling the police she was suicidal, if he told the reporters she didn’t appear upset. But who knows with this twit?

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      • True, Millie. I’ve sometimes wondered whether that interview you refer to when GBC said Allison wasn’t upset, took him and OW by surprise. As in, the media were waiting for them when they came out to/of the car, and they weren’t quite ready for it. They could well have worked out a story between the family members beforehand though as to what the line would be… If GBC is a born liar, perhaps that was his way of fobbing the question off, as he immediately went off on another tangent as I recall. But as you say, how knows with him!

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        • In the “I’m a little hurt but I’m ok” interview… he is asked by a female reporter, quite fast…

          “Was she upset before she went away?”… his eyes appear to be focusing on cracks in the driveway foundations and he answers equally fast “No….” before rambling on about his (non) efforts to help the police….

          Now, look at her eyes when he is questioned and answered about this… to me they look suspect… there is a hint of panic and throught mechanisms flying into motion there…..

          I think his answer…its more of something that blurt out of his mouth because it was true… maybe even his brain cant go through with some lies….

          He wasnt ready for the question. This and the prep-sessions were crap, they didnt do any, they hadnt got their story together properly, he is a shocker when it comes to fibbing or a combination of these reasons.

          I have said from the start… this fiasco has amateur-hour written all over it…

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      • A certain female made statements to the media that the victim was “depresssed” to the inital media scrums during the first days of the victims “disappearance”… i know this, trying to locate now… anyone help?

        I remember saying to my brother that she is putting the “depressed wife” thing out there as part of a fiction that the victim – a woman who had everything to live for (and was probably in the some phrase of disengagement from her deadbeat husband) – in the early days of the search.

        This has bugged me from the start (previously mentioned) and remember, think of it in this conext…

        Day 1 body dumped Kholo bridge at night – assumed washed into Brisbane river, to be found far away or not at all, each day getting a tiny bit more confident…

        Day 11 bombshell – body found on bank (what a miracle they botched it)… oh oh…. a crucial, major piece of evidence….

        think of peoples demeanor in terms of what they may or may not have been thinking had occured, but infact something else occured… like a body being deposited on a creekbank as opposed to in a creek… and how that would influence their public attitude, confidence and statements… especially to the media (and the police)

        go back and look at the eyes on the notorious Skull-Manor “I’m a little hurt but I’m ok” interview…
        even she is appalled at his acting and lying skills…
        did you even bother to do a perp session ?
        I wouldnt think so judging by the amateur-hour nature of this whole debacle….
        Was that a poke of the finger, a little nudge in the back, when your siddled up to him?
        In alot of her other media appearances she uses language and actions that bothered me….

        I initially assumed this individual was a drawn-in particpant doing the support-family-thing… but I smelt a rat a long time ago….

        todays developments suggest the pendulumn of suspicion is swinging back to certain invididuals mentioned in the article.

        And wasnt she the “baby sitter” for the kids on that fateful night ?

        I want some answers on this !!! Anyone got anything to add ?

        Does anyone have any knowledge about her driving skills and is her capacity for vehicle-related incidents similar to her siblings ? My guess is she’s a shocking driver too… haha :-)

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      • “Allison suffers from depression, my thoughts are simply consumed with where she might be. I’m not interested in the speculation and rumours.”

        http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/allison-baden-clays-sister-in-law-says-husband-gerard-baden-clay-left-completely-devastated-by-wifes-mystery-disappearance/story-e6freoof-1226338290711

        I imagine speculation and rumours are unimportant when theres a different narrative to set…

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  6. I agree with the name calling point GG is making its all very childish behavior, this site’s content is now published for all time, for those not involved with the murder but have already been condemned by some of this sites contributors it’s hardly fair – some of the tones of these posts are full of anger and self righteousness, sometimes it goes past the point of entertaining and starting to be tedious

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  7. It is possible that the Pastor is unaware, ignorant even, of the antics of GBC.  Not all families know the sordid details of each others lives, especially when geographic distance separates them.  And to be fair, his comment was posted shortly after Allison was found, not yesterday.

    Perhaps this is a case of him wanting to believe the best in his wife’s brother/family? Perhaps Olivia provided him with sufficient explanations or arguments for GBC’s actions (or lack thereof) up to that point?  Perhaps Olivia has been provided with that from GBC & Co also?

    I wonder if the Pastors sentiments today would be the same.  

    In the absence of fact, we the public, are left to discuss and share our concern and outrage.  I don’t shed crocodile tears sir.  My concern for this woman I have never met and would likely never have met, is real.  As a community we want answers to what happened, and for the guilty to be dealt with appropriately.  We want her children to know they have support.  That what happened to their mum is not ok and will not be forgotten.

    Salacious gossip in the media?  Even if you were just examine the facts as reported in the media, GBC is a revolting excuse for a husband, father, and real estate principle.  :-(   This is a person who has touted himself as a pillar of the community, trustworthy and honest.

    Has there been salacious gossip in the media or is he referring the forums such as this?  Well GBC’s carryings-on with multiple affairs have been confirmed by QPS.  

    As for the rest, as said earlier, in the absence of fact, this forum is essentially the modern day back-fence.  In the absence of fact, people are bound to discuss the possibilities to try to make sense of this horrendous crime.  We understand the police are doing what they can with what they have, and hope that in time, the person/s responsible will be found and held accountable. In the meantime, we share our outrage.

    I for one have already stated that, even though I cannot currently conceive it will be necessary, should the obvious suspect be proved innocent, I will be first in line to apologize.  However, In the absence of fact, I cannot draw any other current conclusion as to who is responsible.  It is human nature to try to make sense of something.

    Surely we all want the same outcome in the end?  

    Perhaps Pastor if you were to  provide us some fact, we could discontinue with some of the theories.  :-)

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    • I not surprised the good Pastor scuttled straight into damage control , especially in the wake of the infamous ‘ it hurts a little ‘ ambushed interview, purely to placate his by now dwindling parishioners, particually with such curious, ominious predictions such as ‘salacious’ or adverse inferences and gossip…??????

      .

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  8. Hi Robbo,

    Thanks for providing us with this site Robbo. I hope your little man is progressing in leaps and bounds. It must be a very emotionally worrying time for you and your family, and it’s very kind of you to still take the time and think about us here.

    I was wondering if you are around this morning, if you would consider starting a new thread? This one is like the thread before the previous (if that makes sense!) where there is no chronology to the posts, which makes conversation very difficult to follow.

    I posted something at 8.25am this morning which has gone into the posts before 8th June, as have many others’ comments posting here this morning. Yet some posts from this morning are where you’d expect them to be, at the bottom.

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  9. RE: Allison being clinically depressed, consider the following scenario. Wife is used to high achieving due to the efforts she puts in e.g. ballet, languages, flight centre job etc… Then she meets husband but no matter how hard she tries she cannot stop him from having affairs or wrecking finances. Wife becomes depressed perhaps during this period. Then as is her nature she puts efforts into things she can control, her study, her children and a new job and becomes emotionally stronger. Husband loses control of her emotionally and sees her walking off into the distance figuratively speaking . If a narcissist (N), this is a massive narcissistic injury and can set off rage. If there is a history of DV then the last trigger point that caused her harm should be examined to see the vulnerabilities of the N and look to see if the potential same triggers on this occasion occurred. N’s work to patterns in DV.Very often a lack of being able to control (financially, emotionally etc) the other person is the cause.Also due to compulsive lying asolutely nothing can be believed, including what time a walk occurred or anything. All must be independantly verified. Also I would not assume there are no funds available to husband, hiding assets would be the norm, especially if wife gets stronger and is likely to leave or has made similiar statements, which may have occurred over time and could well be the trigger point for violence. With husband’s type of work, there would be random income not predictable weekly or monthly like a normal type job. More ability to hide.

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    • Really good points you make Hercule Poirot. The only problem is how would investigators be able to look at triggers in GBC, even if they’ve been called out to DV situations at the home in the past. I’m not sure how much detail police seek when attending at DV call-outs, as in do they go into any depth about what triggered a particular DV incident on a personal/emotional level? I would imagine they don’t delve too deeply, just try to sort it out as in what is the level of risk to the victim in the situation at the time, what injuries are present etc.

      Surely your suggestion of determining the trigger (if GBC is a narcissist etc) in a particular situation would require GBC to cooperate and agree to being interviewed by a psychiatrist/psychologist. And he’s not talking. If he is a narcissist, it’s my guess that he has never been to see a therapist, that would be the last thing on his mind as he would see the ‘problem’ as someone else’s, not his. I agree with you about the lying, not wanting to lose control, rage due to sense of threat to him, if Allison was moving away from him.

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      • Thank you for the responses and to TE. A DV process requires the victim to state in writing what occurred, if there was a formal process, it goes through a court. If not i would be surprised if the wife didn’t speak of this to her closest friend, Doctor, therapist who might know what triggered prior incidents and might be why records like this were referred to I think. The wife likes confidentiality(very likely to protect daughters and because at this point she might think it can be fixed ) and so she would potentially only trust those where it is assured.You are right he won’t have seen anyone unless in earlier times the wife asked him to go to marital counselling due to his affairs etc… quite common for a male to agree to this to keep the marriage, but to have no intention of changing behaviours that are lifelong.Another potential depressive factor for the wife if she did try this and the behaviours continued. This would be a reactive depression ( to events out of her control), very distressing to a person used to being able to be in charge of herself and her life. The husband doesn’t necessarily have to see a professional etc… to get a picture of what is going on personality wise as if he is an N certain things are predictable to a professional. A professional will hear similiar stories (themes) but the details will vary.There is a range of behaviours that can be expected. Eventually if the wife becomes stronger and realises she can’t change much in the marriage, she could very well speak of leaving and also state she is going to expose the troubles. That potentially can be when the rage occurs and in DV situations becomes the most dangerous period for the wife……

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        • Hi there Hercule Poirot,

          Very interesting to hear how DV’s are handled by the police, as I have little knowledge about the procedures. It makes me so very sad to think of Allison’s life, as you have said, being positive and a high-achiever, and having to deal with GBC’s issues/unfaithfulness etc. Not for the faint-hearted, that’s for sure! I’m sure she did protect her daughters, friends and family from much of what was happening in her life and kept it to herself, and this has come through from her parents and brother in CM articles. What a lonely road to travel… She was so strong, and yet was in such an unpredictable and ultimately dangerous situation, and powerless to change it. No doubt she tried very hard to make the relationship work, against all the odds, and to her ultimate demise.

          I’m not sure how professionals being able to identify narcissistic patterns could help in the investigation into her murder though. The police could well have been told by, for instance Allison’s best friend, that these patterns existed in the past, and that the final act was in all likelihood exactly what you mention, the “rage (which) becomes the most dangerous period for the wife…” and what ended her life.

          If Allison discussed these patterns of GBC’s behaviour with a therapist, are they allowed to give this information to police to assist them? Even if they are allowed to, how does this help them prove that GBC killed her, from a legal perspective? It may give them the motive/method for the murder and is interesting to analyse, but they need physical evidence or witnesses to take this to trial.

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          • Understanding the mentality of a person in a case such as this would allow the police to look in certain directions for more evidence. For example I always believed there would be more than one girlfriend as an N needs to prop up a low self esteem and this person’s pattern is to do it with women, titles and positions of power. The more women police become aware of, the more opportunities to find new information. So the question is what other patterns does the perpetrator have? Does he commit violence in a certain pattern?And if so is there evidence of this pattern on the body? How did he behave last time when the police arrived and is that a match for this time? Patterns, patterns, patterns…..we all default to patterns of behaviours. Very good chance the wife had a complete understanding of his lying patterns by the end…and correct me if I am wrong, but she studied psychology, no doubt trying to understand the behaviours she was expriencing from him. Also assuming the husband spent some money on the mistresses, what account would that have been from? Hiding money, accounts etc.. to fund mistresses would be common. Other items could be purchased through an account that is kept private. I think overall knowing the personality type, leads to predicting certain types of behaviours which provides more opportunities to gather evidence.

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            • Yes, if the narcissist diagnosis of GBC is correct what a minefield it would be, hiding money, spending it on mistresses, going into a rage when his wife challenges him on anything… I would imagine it would be extremely frightening at times, especially with young daughters around.

              I see where you’re coming from, that by following GBC’s pattern of behaviour, previous DV (I’m not sure if that’s ever been confirmed officially, there has been plenty of local rumour about it though), the police can then question down those avenues. Certainly if there were a few women in his life, they could provide a weak link and investigators would be figuring out if one of them will crack. It may provide the vital piece of evidence, if they had knowledge of the murder, either prior or afterwards.

              I agree with you, that Allison could well have studied psychology in an attempt to understand GBC and what was happening in her own life. Her involvement with Pathways would have been along the same lines, and also to build up resilience and emotional strength in her own daughters. It’s a wonderful program, and used in many Queensland schools. I sincerely hope the three BC girls can take their mother’s guidance with them through life, now that she has so sadly been removed from it.

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              • Narcissists and others that show “Gerbil behaviours” – DV examples including isolation and controlling situations such as (Allison working for his company) etc. etc. the last thing these people want is for their ‘victim’ to be educated in regards to the abuser’s control mechanisms – that is another reason why there is so much negative response to us here on this blog – ok, some are legit (well done, everyone has their own point of view) but a lot are from Gerbil and Assoc. – because they are not happy that we are ‘standing up’ to them and refusing to be intimidated – that is probably why they need to silence people who become more and more educated and decide to expose ‘their’ flaws….don’t worry Allison – we won’t let your death be in vain – we will continue to fight and educate other women (esp.) in regards to Gerbils supporters :)

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  10. Hi all

    If the police are no further closer to being able to charge persons or person with Alisons death , then it is up to the attorney general to direct the way for a coronial inquest where all evidence can be assessed and tested , then and only then will we be able to move forward and have those responsible charged and face a jury

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  11. Hello Yoshi
    Are still here? I am trying to understand some legalese
    Star Chamber coercive powers

    Is this the reason the media including radio is being silent, possibly circumspect?

    “In the meantime, the CMC may already be using its “Star Chamber” coercive powers to make people talk. The public is never told about this and those appearing before these secret CMC interrogations must answer the questions put to them – on pain of major fines and jail sentences. If the police have conscripted the CMC to do this – in order to get admissions and confessions from anyone connected with the case – then we are likely to never know.”

    Queensland In late 2008 the Queensland Government amended the Crime and
    Misconduct Act (2001) (QLD) to “close a loophole” that has hampered the Crime and
    Misconduct Commission in its investigations. However one of the results of this
    amendment is that journalists can no longer refuse to identify the sources of
    confidential information. The Alliance met with Queensland’s Attorney‐General
    Kerry Shine to highlight journalists’ concerns over the development and urged him to
    introduce shield laws to protect journalists from being forced into such a
    fundamental breach of their code of ethics. Shine noted at the time that it was CMC
    policy not to coerce journalists into giving up their sources, but the Alliance believes
    a “policy” to be inadequate and continues to press for this to be adopted in law.

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    • Hi Queensland CL 2.11 pm

      I never thought i’d say it but in this case we’re lucky we don’t have a ‘bill of rights’ in our constitution to enable the Star Chamber to execute coercion in support of marjority of the community rather than the few who seek to rely on the right of silence .

      The only entities who have these powers of ‘coercion ‘ are ;
      National Crime Authorities
      Independent Commission Against Corruption
      Australian Taxation Dept
      Australian Securities and Investment Commission

      I say bring it on let them have the full weight …..

      Inccidently …. Mr Tarbey resides in Sydney ….. just saying

      As for the media , radio etc being gagged , i don’t think the ‘Whisled Blower’s’ act has yet to come into effect in Queensland ….. is it and does that have any bearing with regards to this case ?

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  12. Pastor Walton…..How about some thoughts and prayers for the Dickies and the 3 little girls left without a mother for the rest of their lives? How about some prayers and thoughts for the Police, rescue teams and search parties who have spent tireless hours firstly searching for Allison and now piecing together an investigation to look for her murderer(s) after the discovery of her body, dumped in such a remote and dreadful resting place.

    Obviously you didn’t know at the time that you put out your “prayer statement” for the BC’s that GBC was a wife cheater and financial disaster, living in a marriage that was all but over. Well you do now!!! Furthermore, these so-called “victims of the press” who according to you were being “savaged by the press” are now using the press to advertise “business as usual” and “relocation” of their business NOT to look for Allison’s murderer(s). In fact there has never been such plea from this family.

    So….while I understand your ties to this family surely the Baptist Church of Townsville does not condone such abhorrent behaviour and therefore prayers to support it. So please next time you say a prayer please think about the real victims and those in this community who have really rallied behind trying to find an answer to this most disgraceful crime rather than supporting the self-absorbed and opportunistic in their use of the media to self promote and seek sympathy when it suits them.

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    • Please excuse folk-I have been playing speed Reader/Catchup – Pastor Walton…..Ditto GerryRocks and NBV…I think the Pastor, has let one slip… and it stinks…-Bleating to his flock about the media..….”They have virtually imprisoned us in the house! They have NO regard for Allison or her family – despite their ‘crocodile tears’ for Allison. I warn you that there may be more and worse to come.” The thing is …is this divine intervention or how does he KNOW “that there may be more and worse to come.”…if I was the alter boy… I’d be kicking my wallet into the corner before picking it up ;-)
      A collective decision to remain quiet – er Yes and-…..”Please do not put your trust in what you read and do not lose faith at this time”…. He forgot the bit about Qld’s best criminal defence lawyer covering the BC’s Ass!…. what a Plonker! You may fool the flock- but you don’t fool me! Reminds me of an American Gospel preacher who fleeced his flock…?Baker was it? Nice NBV I think you just tore a strip off our beloved man Pasta Walton… who has the direct line to higher powers! And to put it in the Vernacular..you dakked him!Tick Tick Tick, the police obviously Ok’d this release….puuuurfect !!!!!…… Pastor Walton does appear to be a self-promoter but I think NBV has got him pinned!- Next!

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  13. I have been on leave for a week, so have had to do a bit of ‘speed-reading’ to catch up with the going-on’s on the blog.

    Firstly Robbo, congratulations with your little one – wishing him all of the very best in life!

    It is a bit disappointing that no arrest/s have been made yet. We are all just going to have to wait patiently for the QPS to do their job, which I trust is being done with great diligence and care.

    There is obviously much indignation and outrage at the callousness with which loving and kind Allison has been killed and disposed of, made worse by the fact that all the snippets of available information, local rumour and the behaviour of the BC’s sadly appear to point very heavily towards it being an awful ‘inside job’.

    People feel disgusted about all of this, and are keen for the perpetrator/s and any accomplices to face the full brunt of the law. The ‘catch me if you can and see if you can get past my lawyers’ attitude which has been adopted from day one is very frustrating. I’m sure the QPS also wants to see justice served, they will have gathered a lot of facts and know best how to go about achieving a conviction/s. We’ll just have to be patient!

    In time all will be revealed, and I suspect it will be the stuff of nightmares. In the interim, we can just speculate, guess, debate and discuss. Having been cut off from the media for a week, I have a few questions:

    I find a snippet of information that has been released (see http://www.news.com.au/national/police-return-gerard-baden-clays-impounded-4wd-as-murder-investigation-continues/story-e6frfkvr-1226384047275 ) of interest – the damage visible on the white Prado that has been returned to GBC’s left front fender….??? As usual GBC was reportedly silent on how/when this damage had occurred…. Maybe I have missed any other info re this topic – has it been explained anywhere by anyone?

    It occurs to me that this could potentially be significant. It is a possible scenario be that after a violent row on the evening of 19 April, Allison ran away from her home in fear of her life (maybe without her phone so unable to call 000, or maybe with her phone and she may have phoned 000 but not got a chance to speak. She could have been followed by a car and hit on the side of the road or on the footpath as she was running (inflicting left fender damage). If this happened she would have screamed really loudly (and such screams were heard in the area), the driver may have got out and while she was on the ground, perhaps with broken bones from the impact, silenced her forever… (a terrible thought – maybe by suffocation, hence neighbours hearing screams being ‘muffled’?)

    At this point the killer likely enlisted the assistance of someone very close to him for advice and perhaps also physical help with the disposal of Allison’s body. Perhaps they agreed to meet in Moggill Rd (would attract too much attention to meet at either home), to look for a possible dump site together, which will explain the reason for 2 cars sighted together.

    If GBC was Allison’s killer, I suspect the persons close enough to him to have participated in such an event would likely have been NBC or a mistress that he had lots of faith in or control over. I suspect his core interest in TMH may have been more monetary in nature, perhaps (if this is factual) the blonde who is or was supposedly carrying his child may be a possibility…?? Someone posted something about a blonde having been seen pulling material off the front end of a while 4WD. Was this an actual fact reported in the media somewhere or just rumour?

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  14. I’m still not sure that my comments are being posted, as I can find no record of them as I read through other contributions. However, I would like to add to the discussion by saying that I feel the members of the media – particularly the Courier Mail – have been extremely circumspect in their reporting. Any suggestion that they have shown bias or “sensationalised” the case is totally wrong. In my humble opinion, the newspaper journos involved have a great deal of information, but are deliberately holding back in their reporting in deference to their understanding of the need of police to “get it right” as there is only “one shot” at achieving a successful conviction.

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    • I agree with you GHS, I think that the CM have actually been holding back on this case and I believe that they would have a lot more information which they are probably not allowed to release. While at times I have not been a fan of the media in particular the CM they seem to be doing a very good job and been quite conservative and careful with this case.

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  15. Thanks to those who posted the link to today’s Sunday Mail piece about the pastor. I have only just read it online but wonder if anyone has a hard copy of today’s paper. If so, on which page does it appear? I am interested because it’s not really a news item, more of a human interest piece.

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  16. Here’s a pedantic thought—maybe apologies NOW Robbo—in order to keep posts in chronological order, we post new comments AND replies … in the ‘Leave a Reply’ section at the very bottom of the blog list.
    And if you are making a reply to a previous post, just quote the original sender’s name.
    At least that way with each new log-on we won’t have to go searching for previously sent replies that appear ‘out of sync’ by time.
    Any other suggestions welcome, if it will help reduce the confusion.

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  17. Mmm Bombastic bombardments sounds like the election campaign for George W Bush trying to sell his Axis of Evil. lol :)

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  18. Hi All

    we Don’t need the CMC and the Star Chamber

    WE DO NEED the Attornney General to clear the WAY for a CORONIAL INQUEST

    THE Suspects know who they ARE, well LOL , Start Worrying Because the Coronial Inquest WILL HAPPEN

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  19. GG I am also going to repost mine, since it appeared way above posts from 8/6. I have been on leave for over a week without my PC, so have had to do a bit of ‘speed-reading’ to more or less catch up with the going-on’s on the blog.

    Firstly Robbo, congratulations with your little one – wishing him all of the very best in life!

    It is a bit disappointing that no arrest/s have been made yet. We are all just going to have to wait patiently for the QP to do their job, which I trust is being done with great diligence and care.

    There is obviously much indignation and outrage at the callousness with which loving and kind Allison has been killed and disposed of, made worse by the fact that all the snippets of available information, local rumour and the behaviour of the BC’s sadly appear to point very heavily towards it being an ‘inside job’.

    People feel disgusted about this, and are keen for the perpetrator and any accomplices to face the full brunt of the law. The ‘catch me if you can and see if you can get past my lawyers’ attitude which has been adopted from day one is arrogant and frustrating. I’m sure the QP also wants to see justice served, they will have gathered a lot of facts and know best how to go about achieving a conviction/s. We’ll just have to be patient!

    In time all will be revealed, and I suspect it will be the stuff of nightmares. In the interim, we can just speculate, guess, debate and discuss. Having been cut off from the media for a week, I have a few questions:

    I find a snippet of information that has been released (see http://www.news.com.au/national/police-return-gerard-baden-clays-impounded-4wd-as-murder-investigation-continues/story-e6frfkvr-1226384047275 ) of interest – the damage visible on the white Prado that has been returned to GBC’s right front fender….??? As usual GBC was reportedly silent on how/when this damage had occurred…. Maybe I have missed any other info re this topic – has it been explained anywhere by anyone?

    It occurs to me that this could potentially be significant. It could be that after a violent row on the evening of 19 April, Allison ran away from her home in fear of her life, without her phone so unable to call 000, and she was followed by this car and hit on the side of the road or on the footpath as she was running (inflicting left fender damage). She would have screamed really loudly (and such screams were heard in the area), the driver may have got out and while she was on the ground, perhaps with broken bones from the impact, silenced her forever… (a terrible thought – maybe by suffocation, hence neighbours hearing screams getting muffled?)

    This scenario would not have been as planned, so the killer panicked and likely enlisted the assistance of someone very close to him for advice and perhaps also physical help with the disposal of Allison’s body. Perhaps they agreed to meet eg at the roundabout or in Moggill Rd (would attract too much attention to meet at either home), to look for a possible dump site together, which will explain the reason for 2 cars sighted together.
    I suspect the persons close enough to GBC to have participated in such an event would likely have been NBC or a mistress that he had lots of faith in or control over. I suspect his core interest in TMH may have been more monetary in nature, perhaps (if this is factual) the blonde who is or was supposedly carrying his child may be a possibility…?? Someone posted something about a blonde having been seen pulling material off the front end of a while 4WD. Was this an actual fact reported in the media somewhere or just rumour? In time all will be revealed, and I suspect it will be the stuff of nightmares. In the interim, we can just speculate, guess, debate and discuss. Having been cut off from the media for a week, I have a few questions:

    I find a snippet of information that has been released (see http://www.news.com.au/national/police-return-gerard-baden-clays-impounded-4wd-as-murder-investigation-continues/story-e6frfkvr-1226384047275 ) of interest – the damage visible on the white Prado that has been returned to GBC’s left front fender….??? As usual GBC was reportedly silent on how/when this damage had occurred…. Maybe I have missed any other info re this topic – has it been explained anywhere by anyone?

    It occurs to me that this could potentially be significant. It is a possible scenario be that after a violent row on the evening of 19 April, Allison ran away from her home in fear of her life (maybe without her phone so unable to call 000, or maybe with her phone and she may have phoned 000 but not got a chance to speak. She could have been followed by a car and hit on the side of the road or on the footpath as she was running (inflicting left fender damage). If this happened she would have screamed really loudly (and such screams were heard in the area), the driver may have got out and while she was on the ground, perhaps with broken bones from the impact, silenced her forever… (a terrible thought – maybe by suffocation, hence neighbours hearing screams being ‘muffled’?)

    At this point the killer likely enlisted the assistance of someone very close to him for advice and perhaps also physical help with the disposal of Allison’s body. Perhaps they agreed to meet in Moggill Rd (would attract too much attention to meet at either home), to look for a possible dump site together, which will explain the reason for 2 cars sighted together.

    If GBC was Allison’s killer, I suspect the persons close enough to him to have participated in such an event would likely have been NBC or a mistress that he had lots of faith in or control over. I suspect his core interest in TMH may have been more monetary in nature, perhaps (if this is factual) the blonde who is or was supposedly carrying his child may be a possibility…?? Someone posted something about a blonde having been seen pulling material off the front end of a while 4WD. Was this an actual fact reported in the media somewhere or just rumour?

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  20. Hi everyone, for those that do not know, Robbo’s wife gave birth this past week to a premature baby boy (Elliott James). Elliot is in neo natal intensive care unit and obviously the parents are there pretty much around the clock.

    I don’t want to be the blog nanny or anyone’s conscience but the way I see it, Robbo has much more important stuff on his plate than his blog, whether it is loading too slow, whether things are out of sequence or someone is stalking someone or any other piece of minutae to do with the blog.

    I’d like to think that Robbo’s rare moments at home are not being used trying to sort out problems and squabbles for us.

    Oh, and yeah, hows about chucking him a few bob to help keep this blog running for us via the Buy Me a Beer link on the top left of the page.

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    • Hello Ozmosis, (Blog Nanny)
      What a lovely post.
      It is so lovely to think about a new life come into the world, especially at a time like this.
      We are focused these past few weeks on a life that has passed out of the world.
      Yet it is Robbo father of Elliot who has enabled us to discuss this by means of this site.
      I know Elliot will have a tough battle ahead as he is so very tiny. But by Jove, I bet he is a fighter!
      May “Long live Elliot, son of Robbo, crime fighter extraordinaire”

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      • Good Post Ozmosis. I agree with you totally. The blog is the last thing on Robbo’s mind at present with Elliott and his family priority one. Robbo runs this site like a hobby not a business because he has a personal interest in getting scumbags off the street with a focus on Australian Crime which I think is a first in this country. The more I use this site the more I realise what a great community service it provides. Without it we are really a community without a voice.

        Thanks to you Robbo!!! All the best to the family while you wait for Elliott to get strong and come home for the first time.

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    • Hey Chris, have you been to church today? I sure have? I cannot believe that site…. very USA style …. too much praise the lord for me and the uniforms that they make the children wear? Very military… was that OBC’s idea? Well it shall be very interesting to wait for the responses.

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      • Ditto Chris,GerryRocks and NBV…I think the Pastor, has let one slip from under the cloth-Pooooo-Bleating to his flock about the media..….”They have virtually imprisoned us in the house! They have NO regard for Allison or her family – despite their ‘crocodile tears’ for Allison. I warn you that there may be more and worse to come.” The thing is …is this divine intervention? or how does he KNOW “that there may be more and worse to come.”…if I was the alter boy… I’d be kicking my wallet into the corner before picking it up
        A collective decision to remain quiet – er Yes and-…..”Please do not put your trust in what you read and do not lose faith at this time”…. He forgot the bit about Qld’s best criminal defence lawyer covering the BC’s Ass!…. what a Plonker! You may fool the flock- but you don’t fool me! Reminds me of an American Gospel preacher who fleeced his flock…?Baker was it? Nice NBV I think you just tore a strip off our beloved man Pasta Walton… who has the direct line to higher powers! And to put it in the Vernacular..you dakked him!Tick Tick Tick, the police obviously Ok’d this release….puuuurfect !!!!!…and I haven’t dared look at the preacher mans facebook site….lemmings!

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    • Is the ABC murder discussed on their FB site? If so are discussions along the lines of the pastor’s publication? I guess anti BC comments may be deleted????

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    • Hi Chris
      I like all your posts. I reckon you are a very kind and caring person.
      How do I check out Northreach Baptist Church on Facebook?
      Not sure if I am being pedantic here, but I can’t get head around the crocodile tears talk. And to whom this reference is directed.

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  21. Commonsense………Judged? how can we……having little or no facts to ‘judge’? I think not, rather than create stories and speculation on our limited information…..depends, i guess how YOU define judge.

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  22. We have been dwelling on the actions (and inactions) of a whole cast of creepy characters…

    How about we consider the good guys at the coalface of this complex investigation for a second…

    Mark Ainsworth clearly knows how to lay charges – and when he comes around to unpacking his charge book, I wouldn’t want to be in the room, because he has a propensity to lay a whole range of serious charges against each and every individual involved….

    http://www.news.com.au/national/woman-bashed-to-death-in-qld/story-e6frfkvr-1226344900850

    http://qpsmedia.govspace.gov.au/2012/05/18/murder-charges-bald-hills/

    http://www.police.qld.gov.au/News+and+Alerts/Media+Releases/2010/01/26mrloganholmestolenprop.htm

    http://www.police.qld.gov.au/News+and+Alerts/Media+Releases/2010/02/Luxury+boat+rebirthing+operation+closes.htm

    Here is some of his recent handywork.

    If you think for a second he isn’t biting the urge to come down on these clowns like a tonne of bricks… just like we are biting the urge for him to do exactly that… then you must live in one of those Laissez-faire “business-as-usual” parrellel universes in which a certain group of individuals appear have made a holier-than-thou “collective decision” to reside in….

    anyway… I hope we learn more about the men and women behind this investigation.

    They have full public support and admiration at what must be a very tough, demanding job…

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  23. Now now! We shouldn’t concern ourselves with differing points of view. Whenever you put a group of people together it is just human nature that we will all have different points of view. We should start to embrace these differences rather than argue about them or use the points of difference to launch personal attacks against one another.

    What I don’t like is the personal attacks against one another. It is when I start to get peeved and I’m sure what has started the arguements on this site against one another. I usually jump to defensive mode when I see the personal attacks start and I think a lot of us do when we see people who are contributing and have interesting points to be made shot down in flames and personally attacked.

    I’m sure that we are all here for the same overlying principle which is to see “Justice Served” on those who have perpetrated these heinous hideous crimes. There has not been much information come forward in the last weeks but that doesn’t mean that the behind the scenes work that the Police are doing isn’t validated because there is not new media reports. The media reports that are coming forward in dribs and drabs now will obviously not be as informative as the information that was happening when Allison was firstly missing, when her body was found and when the funeral happened.

    I’m going to try to be a better blogger in the next few weeks, months or however long it takes to bring the guilty person(s) to justice. I think we need to stick together now and consolidate our thoughts and common principles rather than tear them apart. If bloggers feel that the theories put forward by other bloggers are not valid or the principles are flawed, then contructively put your viewpoints forward rather than tearing apart another persons thoughts. If you are against somebody elses opinion or thought then you must have a constructive thought of your own which opposes it and therefore you should voice that thought rather than denegrating or starting a tennis match with another persons thought.

    Just my thoughts……..

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    • I couldn’t agree with you more North Bris Veg. It seems that every couple of days the personal attacks start, and it makes it very uncomfortable for everyone here. I have said it before, we want to be here and we will remain here, but I think many of us turn away and start reading elsewhere when this happens. I certainly do as it becomes counter-productive.

      I agree, we are all here for the same reason, to express our confusion and disgust at the murder of Allison and empathy for her family, and to try to make sense out of it all. When there is very little news from the media, and having few facts to work with, many bloggers start attacking each other.

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      • Sorry to jump in.I also think some folks sort of stand up for the source of their own info too, as some might see it as an attack on the person who they got info off…

        I am pretty sure most people pass on something honestly trusting who they hear it from. There can only be a few who start rumours for no other reason than causing mischief…Get a life if otherwise

        Does that make sense?

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  24. This is a response to one message on Northreach Baptist Church FB page –

    “I agree the Dickies and their family are definately in need of this churches thoughts and prayers while the Police search tirelessly for the perpetrators of this dispicable crime which has touched this church so close to home. Let us pray that those evil members of our society who commit such heinous crimes are held accountable by God and punished to the full extent of societies laws. All of them!!!”

    All of them????

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  25. Wasn’t it well publicized earlier (Allison’s friend told media) Allison had planned for the children to have a sleepover that night. I don’t think its overly unusual for the children to have a sleepover mid-week if the parents had an early (before school) start the next morning. The sleepover wasn’t for fun or for a party, it was to avoid disruption to the early morning routine. If Allison was driving to the city for a conference she may have needed to leave quite early – before school started. The fact that the children were not at home, does not support the “premeditated” theory.

    I suspect an argument broke out that evening between A and G and was more heated than usual BECAUSE the children were not there – adults living in turmoil will let fly and say things to each in private that they may have been putting off saying in front of children – or in public.

    Perhaps he did in fact kill her but it may have been an accident. The removal of the body would have been done in panic, which is why it seems a bit clumsy- i.e. just throwing it off a bridge. I agree that whoever killed her, dressed her in the clothes she was found in. The fact that he did not search for Allison during the 11 days before the body was found, is very disturbing. It certainly makes him appear cold and uncaring, not a desperately grieving husband, however he may well have been under very strict instructions from his lawyer to lay low.

    The two cars together does support the theory that someone wanted it to look like suicide (they intended to leave one car there). The drivers of the two cars knew they had been seen by a passing motorist and panicked and had to change plans. Also the second car observed by the passing motorist was BLUE not SILVER so not the other family vehicle but a vehicle belonging to someone else.

    I do not accept the story that the body was found by a “passing canoeist”.
    I have been to the bridge and looked over the side, its not a very inviting river for a morning canoe paddle. Its dark, narrow, shallow and overgrown. Also we have heard NOTHING about the identity of the canoeist. Presumably the canoeist is a local and may have paddled the same route before, possibly on a regular basis. Most canoeists hard core enough to tackle that river, would be the sort of person who would paddle regularly. You would assume they had been down that route before. Why did it take 11 days for a canoeist to notice the body? The body was not well hidden, it was lying on the river bank, under the bridge . The secrecy over the canoeists identity just doesn’t make sense. Surely the person would have come forward by now, said something to someone, or some story-hungry media journalist would have found them by now. I don’t think there was a canoeist.

    What if the exact location of the body was revealed to the police, during an interview or interrogation of a Person Of Interest who cracked under pressure.

    The whole event is just a tragedy. I can’t stop thinking about the horror of it and feel profound sadness for the Dickies, Allison’s friends, her children and even for the In-laws who must also be grieving. Even G would be going through a private hell. I know we all feel desperately sad for the There will be no winners in the end.

    Robbo, my heartfelt best wishes to you, your wife and your darling precious baby boy. I love the name you have chosen for him too.

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    • There are clearly some inconsistencies here. At no time did the local police ever say GBC was NOT a suspect. Also it was never reported here that she disappeared after having gone to sleep with GBC and while he was asleep. If this was the case, how on earth would GBC know what she had on when she ‘disappeared’? Should have been PJ’s then, not walking clothes!!

      Something about the walking story is really silly. If Allison foresaw that she was going to have to be up so early and be so busy the morning of 20 April that she even let the children go for a sleep-over, and especially after having her hair done specially for the event she was going to attend, the LAST thing she was ever going to do was go for a walk!!

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  26. Hi folks, Hope you all had a nice weekend, if it was not raining, you had it better than most!

    Well I have the afternoon to do some catchup after being caught up over the weekend. Little tacker is gaining weight and doctors are happy, and that makes me happy. Few more weeks at least to even consider coming home.

    I saw no significant news on this case but I am yet to get up to date on this thread! It is creeping to 500 comments, what can we raise as a subject, or are we happy to just continue the conversation a bit quicker with a NEW thread folks?

    Just finally, I see near 2000 emails, and I will try go through the ones that are not notifications of comments first.

    But if you have written to me even say in the last 5 days. Can you re email it and I will see it in today’s list so I can respond…cheers

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  27. IMHO – we’re right in the middle of ‘the calm before the storm’. The cracks are opening………….. decent people – actuallly no we can’t call them that now, it’s too late – but most people won’t be able to live with this for too much longer.

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  28. To the man of the cloth who said
    “Precious friends, on another matter you need to be aware that the media are glorying in the most revolting and salacious gossip. They seem determined to do all possible to damage and destroy.
    They have virtually imprisoned us in the house! They have NO regard for Allison or her family – despite their ‘crocodile tears’ for Allison. I warn you that there may be more and worse to come.”
    “We have decided not to speak publicly to the media and to grieve in private.
    “We may pay the price for this in the ‘court’ of public opinion.”

    To that man I say

    “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.”
    Galations 6.7

    Also as was rightly posted here at 9.25am
    “But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
    Revelation 21:8

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  29. I think the whole thing was supposed to look like this
    1. Advance the Missing person report
    2. Advance the depression notion for the public to swallow
    3. Advance the possible suicide notion for public consumption
    4. Advance the holier than thou notion of thisBC family to divert any finger pointing this direction

    Where it all went wrong
    1. The public aren’t buying any of this
    2. For the first time in the history of Australia, there is a crime site, thankyou Robbo, on which the public, may contribute their own views and opinions and generally debate this matter with impunity.
    This site has also been the means whereby this dreadful matter and other related matters, people, domestic violence, behavioural disorders have been exposed and discussed openly.
    …………………………………Never before in the history of Australia!…………………………………………….

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  30. IMHO – we’re right in the middle of ‘the calm before the storm’. The cracks are opening………….. decent people – actuallly no we can’t call them that now, it’s too late – but most people won’t be able to live with this for too much longer.

    (Has this posted at 2.10 pm on Sunday? )

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  31. Hi Red
    Glad to see you’re still burning the midnight oil so i can ask you a question saving me the arduous task of going through the1000 plus comments again.

    Did i read or hear somewhere that Allison and gerbil went out for dinner that thursday night ? Ta …..

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    • The Police have revealed the hair salon appointment on the Thursday night, that she was in “good spirits” that night… and that she talked of her plans for the next day… (the salon is near the Kenmore roundabout) Frankly, I think it makes em look more suss because this salon appointment stands in bright-shining contrast to the “depression” lie that a certain unnamed female had the audacity to peddle…You could see the surprise and alarm in her eyes when they botched the cover-story on a certain channel nine interview. He was challenged directly in the initial, attempted grieving father-phase by a sharp female reporter…

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      • I don’t comment often, and have never actually seen my contributions posted. However, I have been following the discussion. This is probably echoing “old news,” but when Allison was still missing (possibly as early as the first weekend), my 80-year-old mother-in law told me (as fact) that she had been to the hairdressing salon on the Thursday night. I’m no beauty queen, but if I’d just spent that sort of money, there is no way I’d be off walking (and perspiring) in the middle of the night. Sorry if I have repeated previous posts.

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        • Hey come on…I just counted 10 I could find…What do you mean they do not get posted? I’m telling you if they do NOT contain certain words, they go live straight to the page...There is no magic bin, I do not delete comments, how many times do I need to say it.

          Not sure if you are joking or not but do not start a drama when there isn’t one. Also there is a difference between being witty, ironic and stirring. Are you saying your gran was there that night or just gets her hair done somewhere on a THUR night…I sense you are stirring GHS!!!

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          • Oh dear, Robbo – you have completely misunderstood me – there was no criticism implied – I just haven;’t seen any of my posts – that probably says a lot about my lack of computer skills. I follow as an interested party, and only make comment when I feel I have something to offer, so not a regular contributor, but an avid reader. Please forgive me if my poor wording has attracted your ire – that was certainly not intended, and like others I thank you for your commitment and time put into allowing us to analyse this together. My sincere apologies for being a bit computer illiterate. Will try harder next time!

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          • Robbo – have just read your comments again – there is no way I would be wanting to “create a drama” or “stir” as you suggest – and I’m troubled that you might think that way. The messages are all out of order, so that’s probably why I haven’t seen mine, as I just watch what comes in (not having the technical prowess to put them in chronological order). As you said, I’ve only offered 10 thoughts, in the hope they might be pertinent and devoid of emotion. I have re-read my last contribution, and don’t understand where I fell foul of meeting the guidelines?

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        • Gerbil Hunting Season: you’re damn tootin’ us women don’t walk out in the night air when we have just had a new do ready for something important the next morning.

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      • BINGO ! i found you Red !

        Thankyou for your response …..

        I know she did have her hair done but i’m sure there was a mention of both going out to dinner the same night .?

        And yeah , there is NO way a women of three children , the nature of her job and the discilpine of a ballerina that she would take her own life ……. and if by ANY chance that she did , a woman will invariably overdose not walk off and the tox report confirms this … zilch !

        I thought if they did go out for dinner it would be an attempt on gerbil’s end to woo her back if she had signalled a divorce from him .

        That would turn his lifestyle on its head , child support , thrills of chasing skirts , home cooked meals , division of hocked to the hilt assets , and the prospect of him living back home with mum and dad just wasn’t an option and the minor detail of Allison revisiting her Superannuation acc in the weeks prior .

        Chicken wanker ……

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      • redback: Olivia who lives in Townsville says she was depressed, GBC who lives in the same house says she was not (obviously GBC didn’t stick to the script, lol). If she truly was depressed then there would be a doctor somewhere who had been seeing her. medicare records would tell which doctors she saw and when and presumably also where she got scripts for medication, if any. I can think of only one reason why Olivia would mention depression. Pity she doesn’t realise how smart criminologists are.

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      • Redback she went to the hairdresser at the Kenmore Tavern shopping centre…not at Kenmore Village or near the roundabout.

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  32. i find those that have faith to be the least moral of us all, using god as a crutch to “wash” away their “sins” so to speak.

    apologies in advance to those that I offend with this statement, there are good and bad amongst us all i know. but in my experience those that need to believe in something are the most screwed up of us all.

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  33. He’s been charged tonight and will appear in court tomorrow. Not being up on these things, does that mean he’ll be in a cell tonight?

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