Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing – 18 March 2013


The committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay has now adjourned after hearing evidence over the past three days and will resume again on Monday, 18 March 2013 for a further 3 days.

Summary of first 3 days of committal hearing (courtesy of The Courier Mail)

Witnesses testify at committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay, charged with murdering wife Allison

Day two: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

Day three: committal hearing of Gerard Baden-Clay over death of wife Allison

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Witness Statements/Reports (courtesy of a fellow kind poster who has very generously allowed them to be available to all)

Phillip Geoffrey Broom – former business partner

Jocelyn Anne Frost – former business partner

Associate Professor David Wells – Head, Clinical Forensic Medicine – Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine

Constable Kieron Ash – first responder

Neil Cameron Robertson – Investigative Computer Analyst - in his element analysing the 100 phones and 50 computers/iPads

Senior Sergeant Narelle Elizabeth Curtis – second responder

Record of Interview – Transcript 

000 Call – Transcript

Forensic Procedure Order

Hydrology Report

Autopsy Report

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Previous Committal Hearing Post

Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing – 11 March 2013

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Baden-Clay’s Sister Speaks (courtesy of 7 News)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVR76UPaDQ]

Update 20/03/13 Newly Released images taken the day Gerard Baden Clay reported his wife missing

Picture of  injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. Image of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. COURT-Photograph of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay's chest on the day he reported his wife Allison missing. Photograph of injuries police found on Gerard Baden-Clay's face on the day he reported his wife Allison missingGBC injuries

1,948 thoughts on “Gerard Baden-Clay Committal Hearing – 18 March 2013

  1. Have been reading all the great posts the last few days. You are real troopers! Great work guys. Haven’t got anything to add ATM – just reading and we will just have to wait. That walk being organised by Brian sounds like a really great idea – it will honour Allison’s life and be therapeutic as well

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  2. Just a thought. Brian has declared who he is, has provided his address and offered his property for parking. Posters on here are anonymous. If anyone attends, well and good, but you may wish to keep your online identity strictly private.

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    • Hi Guys a friend made a couple of comments yesterday regarding this walk idea I had the other day and pointed out that Moggill Road is not a very safe Road with no footpaths and in some spots very narrow.
      Do you ever see people walking along it,[ good point.]
      I drive that Road almost every day and had never looked at it from a pedestrian point of view but I did take a drive and some sections are downright dangerous for pedestrians in particular the s bends near the Woodcrest estate and the hill near OLR other sections are not that safe either so I think this is not such a good idea after all its a shame becouse I wanted to get an idea of how long it would take but I feel peoples safety must come first.
      The good news is ive had another idea lets make Friday the 19 th of April donation day for the Childrens bank account.
      What do you think

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      • Hi Brian,

        You would simply turn into Rafting Ground Road off Moggill Road, which does have footpaths until then, and the walk would be lovely.

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        • Or instead of walking from the bridge area to Brookfield (a walk we are sure Allison did not undertake), perhaps do a candellight walk from Brian’s house to the Kholo bridge (Allison’s final resting place) at 4am, and place flowers there so that on the morning of 20/4 the bridge will be beautiful in Allison’s memory …???

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          • Love, love this suggestion RIP. To have that bridge adorned with flowers on this first anniversary will turn what was a heartbreaking scene 12mths ago to a bright and colourful display of LOVE.

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            • I think this is a lovely idea too…. And donate to the childrens fund as well…

              NAB to BSB: 084 737, account: 133 196 502.

              Hmmm, am I allowed to post that? I guess I just did :)

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              • Good work for posting the banking details for the girls’ fund. :-) Well done.

                I have had trouble locating Mount Road or Drive that Brian was talking about in Brookfield. Is it in the new part. I thought the plan was for yesterday to do the walk…. duhhhhhh.

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        • Moonlight maybe I have the bull by the horns with an earlier post about safety. I had in my head that you were referring to walking to that fateful bridge but after re-reading, I think maybe I have misinterpreted and the route is different to that I assumed.

          Driving over the bridge today was, as usual depressing and haunting. However, it was more so today as it looks so desolate and lonely and overgrown. I think, and could be completely wrong, that some of the adornments on the bridge itself have been removed. Of çourse there are still some displays of yellow flowers etc on the guard rails leading onto the bridge but barely visible due to the overgrowth.

          It still seems beyond belief that a human being would be capable of not only killing/murdering a beautiful innocent soul, but then to dump their body in such a god-forsaken spot, with knowledge of the time required to destroy physical evidence, prior to the body being ‘located’ for insurance purposes, makes me feel ashamed on their behalf and frightened for our children and society on the whole, thàt we have to share the earth with same.

          No punishment should be spared. I am sure that God would have to agree with that.

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    • Hello Brian, This may be a very silly question, since I am not quite sure what restrictions being a witness in a murder case places on you, but are you able to talk about what your and/or your wife saw and heard near the Kholo bridge on the night of 19/20 April 2012?

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      • Hi Rip Allison
        I have given my evidence but I was not pleased when Davis made me talk about evidence given by another witness so I was a bit evasive about that and did try not to discuss all the facts becouse I was not sure how kosha his line of questioning was in hind sight I should have sought guidance from the Magistrate becouse he was clever enough to make me spill some beans that the other witness is not happy about. I do not think he was briefed about that evidence but it was in my statement that I had knowledge of a prior statement from another party
        As far as I am concerned my evidence is on the public record and I am prepared to talk about it.
        I think your Idea of a candlelight walk is a good one I just wanted to do something for this poor woman and her family.
        This has changed so many peoples lives in so many ways my wife and I have talked about this so many times you know I can not even hurt a bloody cane toad becouse its a life 12 months ago toads did not live long in my yard.
        That walk down to the bridge still concerns me from a safety aspect maybe we should talk to Lisa our local Police beat copper for some blue lights I do know Lisa might be able to pull some strings.

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        • Hi Brian, if you can talk about it then maybe please clarify what exactly was heard and seen – especially the cars around 4am on 20/4? We have discussed this in the past but had very little detail to go on. Was any detail of the white car noticed (eg Prado, maybe Century 21 logo in back window or SETTLED plates, and was the 2nd car definitely a blue 4WD (not silver and not a 2WD, any make noticed or distinctive features, similar to the one GBC crashed a few days later or not?)??

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  3. I’m posting this further down as the post thread has become very skinny/narrow! Really interesting article on sociopathic traits millie, thanks for posting it.

    So much of this fits with GBC:

    ‘They may dominate and humiliate their victims.’ Allison’s diary entries ‘why so mean afterwards’, ‘say I smell’, ‘laughing at undies’.

    ‘Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis.’ GBC’s text response a few days’ prior to Allison’s death where she said she hoped he was enjoying his time with his companion and not putting down snowy’s seats. GBC ‘I’m sorry you feel that way. You have nothing to worry about. Feel free to text or call me anytime’. Urgggghh!

    ‘Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims.’ Not a single soul has stood up and said they were a friend of GBC’s this entire time. Phil Broom, his real estate partner said they spent time together, but at the end of the day he used Phil.

    ‘Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person.’ Seeing GBC in my one day in court last week, he looked interested in the proceedings and regularly checked his notes, no emotion on his face. Unmoved and cold, yes definitely.

    ‘Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.‘ Toni, I hope you take note, you are a victim, not a potential Mrs BC. And also, ‘No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.’

    ‘Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.’ Those poor little girls. I can imagine how much angst this caused Allison.

    ‘Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim.’ Wow, no wonder Allison was prescribed Zoloft. She deserves a medal for staying with him as long as she did.

    ‘Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.’ Explains perfectly how he could stand up in front of the Magistrate this week and state ‘I am not guilty, your honour.’ It was the razor, the caterpillar, Allison, Toni, and when he gets sentenced it will be his incompetent defence’s fault.

    ‘Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity’. Say no more. I shudder to think how many there may have been over the years, I bet he would be hard pressed to remember himself.

    ‘Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.’ This would make it very easy for GBC to change his story or plea at any time during or before the trial.

    ‘Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)’. This sadly, could be at the heart of Allison’s demise. She finally said she didn’t respect him and no longer wanted to live with him.

    This part about psychopaths is chilling:
    ‘The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he’s less concerned with his girlfriend’s depression than with making sure she’s clueless about the other woman’s existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you’ll forgive them, and one day when they’ve gone too far, they’ll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they’ll have a new player for their game.’

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  4. Brian, Sasha was a hero in my eyes. Sasha, in my opinion, was a witness to Allison’s departure from her mortal coil. (Dogs see and hear and know things that mere human mortals know not.)
    My condolences regarding hero Sasha’s passing.

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  5. This walk 20th April seems a very good idea, Firstly it acknowledges that Allison was a person of worth, more than simply her insurance payout dollars.
    Secondly, Allison’s life and death has touched so many people.
    Thirdly, the walk may be therapeutic.

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  6. Brian, If it’s any consolation, I am very grateful that you took the stand. And proud. And I think that many here would agree.
    And I am a bit cranky that you were grilled in such a fashion. Seems unscrupulous to me.
    Like as if YOU were the one being scrutinized. Bit like the other dog’s owner who was almost forced to say their dog had a car door fetish.
    The witnesses to date (excluding TMcH) appear to have be the ones ON TRIAL. They have something to answer for. Not that bloke hiding behind the Perspex.
    Dirty dirty tactics Mr Davis. Without ethics or scruples or any semblance of sympathy for either one deceased or the family of one deceased Mr Davis. IMO.
    Well done and thank-you Brian. And well done dear extra special Sasha.

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  7. Are the posts going awol again? I can see two from RIP and millie in my email feed, but not on the thread. Maybe it’s just me. Anyhoo, I’ll just post here. I feel sure like you RIP that on the last night of her life, Allison came to realise what a pathetic ‘man’ she was married to. She studied psychology, no doubt to better understand the twisted person who she married. I’m sure she fully comprehended that he was still seeing Toni before she was murdered, and this was the catalyst for the mother of all arguments.

    Knowing more about narcissistic/psychopathic disorders, she would have guessed for some time that he had loose morals, as well as being an accomplished liar and the mother of all manipulators. Intuition and also she was nobody’s fool. But up until that point she was trying with all her might to keep the marriage going.

    My thoughts are Allison decided to finally end the marriage, said she would take the girls with her (probably to her parents) and GBC flew into a narcissistic rage. I so feel for their daughters, no doubt they had experienced their father’s wrath before this, towards their mother and them as well. The middle daughter crossing her arms at her mother’s funeral says it all, no words necessary.

    GBC will NEVER say what went down that night, and as you say Allison can no longer speak for herself. I think in his crazy mind he’s convinced himself he didn’t do anything wrong, everything about the person – his expression in the police car when he was driven away, his steely gaze when he was being photographed by forensic police, his detatched attitude when I saw him in court – indicates this.

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    • While GBC may never disclose, if those baby girls were home, which I desperately hope they were not, they must have seen or heard some of what went down. My God I hate to think if that is the case, they have a very heavy burden to carry and deal with.

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      • Little Fish, I hate to be the one to tell you this but GBC sent a text to Allison on the morning of Friday 20 April in which he tells her that none of the girls are up yet. Meaning they were “asleep” in their own beds.
        He is supposedly making their school lunches.
        The words he wants you are I to hear are SCHOOL, lunches, and children. Innocent words.
        This “man” is a master of steering people away from the topic or conversation at hand or diverting people’s thoughts away, as evidenced by the police interview.

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        • Little Fish, I might need to retract that last post, regarding the girls definitely being home. And add my humble apologies.
          For the same reasons as given, GBC wants the world to believe that the girls were at home. That would absolve him. Right? The texts indicating the girls were home might just be that: a lie to understand another lie.
          We are thinking innocent thoughts within an innocent household.
          We also in the meantime have come to understand that GBC operates under false pretences. Anything that throws him in an innocent light.

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          • Dear Queensland Country Lady. I had tried to respond to your first post earlier but had technical difficulties with my mobile. I was attempting to say that I am a bit of a pain in the bum about this issue and keeping banging on about people saying that they were home but does anyone know 100% for certain. Easy to write in texts that he was doing this or doing that but I still have a niggling feeling that perhaps, and hopefully, they may have been spared being witness to or hearing events of the evening.

            From the info posted here, there is a big gap between the girls being in the pool at Clay senior house when GM went to drop off the snags, and having a telephone conversation with GG, and their physical sighting by the police on the morning Allison was reported missing. Oh, how I wish the Police had said to GM, ‘ah buddy, given the circumstances, do you mind if we leave our car where it is for the minute and perhaps the girls can go to school a little later etc etc’.

            Things just don’t make sense for me (well, not much of it does anyway but re the girls), the only people who know where they actually were on that night for different periods of time are like the 3 wise monkeys (not) and challenged in the speaking + hearing + seeing departments. I think only the girls themselves, Gerard, his sister and parents can put a 100% stamp on their being home and they ain’t saying. Of course those intimate with the girls would no doubt be aware if they have actually talked about it. If they were home, the ramifications of trauma inflicted upon them for a lifetime, may mean that information is tucked away for a long, long, long time.

            I think there is some research around that indicates a person’s memory can work in amazing ways after a traumatic event and protects the system from retrieving information too abruptly and readily. I continue to hope that the fact the girls were thought to be home is just another part of Gerard’s fantastical strategy to hide sinister deeds.

            I have come to the conclusion that there are some people in the world who are born devoid of a conscience. I think his diagnosis could be plural, as in many. None however should be used in his defense to lessen the responsibility for his actions. He knew what he was doing but had to re-write some of the script out of necessity.

            Hideous and even more scary is the capacity of the remainder of his family in supporting him. Sorry, I occasionally get carried away with my thoughts and emotions.

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            • I didn’t want to write a novel above and people can take or leave the following as it is with respect to danger and animal behaviour…. One of our mares today was running around like a pork chop and I couldn’t for the life of me work out what was giving her the heebie jeebies.
              As a protective mechanism, she kept rounding up her paddock mate and pushing her out of their stable. Fortunately I caught it on camera as I am sure it could be seen as unbelievable. While continuing to round up and push the other horse out of what she perceived to be danger, she wanted to flee.
              At one point she came bolting over to where I was filming and came to a dead-stop at my feed, almost as if to say ‘help us – we are in danger – and that other silly horse just won’t listen to me’. I talked to her (which really was talking to myself :-)) and wondered whether there was a big snake or goanna bothering them. I did a big check through the grass and the stable wondering whether maybe there was a carpet snake above them, etc etc.
              After much sweating and attempts to flee, I realised there were bees trying to get at them (possibly attracted to the hoof oil I had used earlier which smelt like licorice). Once I realised what the perceived danger was, I could sort it with insect repellant etc and all was calm.
              The communication between the animals was amazing, and the need to protect one another, extra-ordinary, and almost human-like in wanting to preserve your nearest and dearest from danger. Instinct hey?
              I haven’t articulated very well the purpose of my posting this but it gets tangled up with the disbelief that even in the animal world, they take care of their own but sometimes humans can be so callous, cold and murderous.

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              • Little Fish, Interesting post. The horse was trying to TELL you something important. but you were too fixed in your human understanding of things to recognize the horse lingo.
                “Bees Mum, HELP. Bees. Please read my body language, my horse lingo. Groan. How to get through to my human. Try the body language again…”
                Back to Allison, remember Scraps the dog. Telling of distress.
                Then later Sasha, telling of a human spirit leaving her mortal coil.

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                • Yes, QCL, Yes. Oh the pain of a mother when her children (human) communicate something that she doesn’t understand.
                  My daughter and son often tell me it sounds like I am arguing with them when in fact we all know I agree with each other. That is when I doubt myself, punish myself, but hope to improve myself. Oh to be the perfect mother.

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                  • What the heck is the perfect mother? Oh dear, and in whose perception? The mothers? The fathers? The child’s?
                    And if the child’s perception, what age? Thirteen? Twenty one? Forty two? Or after the parent has died?
                    My entire reason for living or mantra or call it what you will was just that for many years! How to be “The perfect mother.”

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                    • None of us is perfect and the perfect mother is a myth. However our efforts can be scrutinized and judged by those we least expect…. What – no teeth yet? What – not walking yet? What – not potty trained yet? What – not sleeping through the night? What – not breast fed? What – not eating what is considered the perfect diet? What – not getting straight A’s? What – not having enough sex with your husband? What – you don’t keep a spotless house? What – you have gone back to work? What – you HAVEN’T gone back to work? Blah blah blah

                      The saddest thing I know, while surviving this journey of motherhood and being a ‘good enough’ mother, is for mothers to discover the father of their children exhibits jealousy of the love and bond that exists between mother and child. I know a child who became an adult, and suffered as a result of this type of jealousy, committed suicide. I am not however saying this was the cause of their actions but something they experienced.

                      I agree that there is no perfect parent.

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              • Dear Little Fish,

                I enjoyed reading about your closeness with your horses.

                Horses’ intelligence is completely undervalued by some, horses are absolutely incredible. Complete mirroring of the owner. Mine communicate in horse language constantly, my life wouldn’t be complete without them.

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                • That was a beautiful post Moonlight. Funny thing happened tonight…a friend texted me and asked me had I looked at the moon….she said it reminded her of me :-) I wonder if she was trying to tell me that I am getting a little ’round’ in my hormonal/menopausal years!

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      • I know this issue of where the girs slept that night has been discussed to death BUT I’m still not convinced they were home in their own beds that night. gbc sending those texts to ‘prove’ they were home, pftt. He’s a liar…THAT has been proven. However, his supporters can back him up regarding the texts, as there may contain truths depending on how they’re interpreted . . as in. . the girls are not up yet (still asleep AT Nigelaine’s with their cousins down from Townsville), and gbc making lunches etc could all be true. Twisting and turning the truth, but still enough truth there to be supported by Livvy. The girls know where they slept and we’ll know soon enough. Hopefully.

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        • You might be just be right about the girls not being home. I had forgotten a cardinal rule here. Consider all things BC a lie. The texts were supposed to prove that “none of the girls are up yet” Pfft!
          Although the planned sleepover was for the Friday night 20th, there may just have been un unplanned sleepover the Thursday night. The night TMcH called GBH applying pressure big time. Good reason for an almighty big blue.

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    • Sadly Sad for Allison, I think you are right, perhaps he just does not have it in him to take responsibility for this monstrous deed, and it seems the family is determined to do the same. Not that an admission can bring Allison back, but at least it can end the charade and awful waste of time and money. But karma is inescapable so all participants in Allison’s murder and cover-up will have to live with the consequences of their decisions.

      Mountain Misst, I notice in Allison’s phone record an entry called “Mobile WAP/Internet”. It shows a session at 6:31am on 20 April logging onto Fig Tree Pocket with Rate HH:MM:SS if 013:46:03 volume 1718. Does this mean not only did GBC download his fake text messages to Allison that morning, but he also used her phone to do connect to the internet? Search info or Skype someone? Or does this mean something totally different?

      I also noticed that the phone bill GBC supplied the court was several $hundred in arrears from the month before. This seems to underline his desperate financial position, if he can’t even pay his phone bill, gets declined a transaction on 19/4 at Coles (or wherever it was), he really has hit rock bottom, hasn’t he? It seems as if he is not at all solvent and likely should not have been trying to trade on borrowed money to the extent that he did. It looks like he got himself into a mess he could not get out of, unless he declared himself bankrupt….or murdered his wife??? What a terrible choice he made!

      Yoshi, if GBC is trialed and found guilty of Allison’s murder, will her life insurance then go to her children as next of kin (presumably some used for ongoing costs, some held in trust for studies etc when they are older)?

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      • Hi RIP. You know me – there are no coincidences. We need to look at why that particular time? Ignore the FTP tower as that can ping from areas of Brookfield and Kenmore just down the road from home for the BC’s – it’s been tested.

        I’m of the opinion that GBC was definitely out driving around to get away from questions he didn’t want to answer from NBC, rather that trying to look as if he was searching for Allison.

        I figured that if it were GBC who had her phone, he would have turned it on to check that his bs text to her had gone through okay as he’d sent it my IM not SMS (that’s why it needed to be WAP/internet and not Telstra). GBC has shown himself to be very anal retentive so checking that it went through to Allison’s phone would be something that he would be likely to do. Part of his alibi. Whether he used her phone for anything else – maybe.

        Would have been nice if he’d used Allison’s phone to make an early morning wake-up call to TM then the DPP would have him by the short and curlies now wouldn’t they! That’s the sort of sick thing that GG and GM would do, although if it had happened, I think she would have been dragged in as a accomplice after the fact by now – unless she’s on immunity…

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        • Immunity is a real possibility with TMcH in my honest opinion. She is central to the case against GBC, but her feelings for GBC could be ‘triggered’ and obstruct the truth in a misguided belief that they could be together again one day – unless she is subject to good cross-examination by the Prosecution.

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  8. the money will be put into the public trustees fund who will manage it.hopefully it isn’t because they charge very high fees and they keep the interest it generates. hopefully it goes into a bank account where the children will get the interest not the parasite public trustees.they are another useless goverment department that bleeds the public dry.fat cats on huge retainers who missmanage other peoples money then its bad luck but still give thenselves big bonuses.

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  9. Today I am pondering over a legal question. Not having a legal background and not planning any run-ins with the law, I am a bit naive and one thing I really would like to understand better is everyone’s ‘right to remain silent’.

    I realise there must be more to it than my simplistic understanding, and I really would like to understand it better. I am likely very shortsighted in this regard, but I can not see how it helps honest citizens with nothing to hide. I can however see how it assists criminals in not having to own up to their criminal activities. So my questions are:

    How did it originate as a basic citizen’s right?
    How does it help honest people – what does it protect them against?
    How does it assist justice, from a superficial perspective it just gives liars the right to NOT speak the truth, which by omission is equivalent to lying…???

    This ‘right’ without a counter obligation to disclose information seems out of balance to me, and I can imagine it must cost the legal system dearly in terms of $ and time to ‘prove’ whatever people choose not to disclose or admit to. It seem to me it would be way better to scrap this idea and have an obligation to speak the truth and if that is not done the sentence should be a lot harsher for individuals who choose to lie (actively or my omission) are caught out doing so. I keep thinking honest people do not seem to need it, so it only helps the dishonest and criminal contingent. What’s the point???

    I will be grateful if anyone can please explain the virtue of this ‘right’ to me. There must be something to it or else it will not exist, it is just somewhat of a mystery to me.

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    • Very well made point RIP,

      I Wonder if it is just there for the Legal Fraternities own benefit, in that it would clearly extend the time and resources required to gain convictions.

      In any event, it may not make a lot of difference whether a crim chooses to remain silent, or instead simply lies through their teeth, or any combination of the two, as either way, the onus still falls on the prosecution to prove the case.

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      • Yes Dan I get that, but it will be hugely quicker and cheaper if people have an obligation to own up (virtual ‘truth serum’!) instead of a ‘right’ to remain silent….???? It seems to me this ‘right’ clogs up the legal system with guilty parties having a shot at trying to get away with crimes . Catch me if you can scenario…..?? I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, but I just think the tail seems to be wagging the dog as far as this ‘right’ to not testify and own up to the truth is concerned.

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        • Do you think this ‘silence’ conspiracy is something that has been very well thought out, thought through, rehearsed etc. Like, has it been in their minds for a lonnnggg time and therefore memorised S I L E N C E at all costs.

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        • RIP legislation in NSW recently has looked at removing this right. If you google it you may come up with some recent articles on it in NSW.

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          • Thanks Caro, I see eg at http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/right-to-silence-could-be-revoked/story-e6freuzi-1225964137276 that abolishing is being considered for the very problems I have noticed it precipitates in the GBC case.

            I see the article is dated 2010 so presumably the debate still continues.

            I can’t quite work out why people like NSW Council for Civil Liberties president Cameron Murphy who oppose this change think without it many innocent people will go to jail. Admittedly I have never been in this situation myself, but instinctively I tend to agree with the comment of gr below the article: ” If an accused is represented, when being questioned then they should have to answer questions. On what basis does Mr MURPHY believe that “innocent people” would be incarcerated? If you have not done anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.”

            All good and well if someone wants to get legal advice first, but it looks silly to me to give them the ‘right’ to not testify and avoid telling the truth. Plays right in their favour, and if this case is anything to go by it must cost the taxpayer millions.

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            • I see in another article Greens MP Mr Shoebridge said the right to silence ”protects individuals from the heavy-handed use of police powers”

              I wonder which is a greater threat and cost to society – supposed ‘heavy handed use of police powers’ or criminals using the right to remain silent to avoid conviction…??

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            • I feel a revolt coming on to fight to change this kind of ‘law’. Personally I have had experiences involving ridiculous and outdated laws which make no sense at all. Sadly, I find it a bizarre kind of arrangement in some areas.

              I recall Deidre-Anne Kennedy’s mother fighting and succeeding to change a ‘law’ in relation to the incomprehensible death of her baby.

              Nothing is impossible and I think death is the only non-negotiable given that we can conceive. That of course discounts those who have for some unexplainable reasons, beaten death.

              I have learnt to never, ever, ever give up on seeking truth, justice and fairness. Sometimes those things that are never questioned, should be.

              If it is an army needed to do this, I know I would enlist. Sometimes, the good people of the world are far too well behaved and accepting of what is assumed to be written as law and therefore must be. You know the old adage, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. However, some of these accepted or unquestioned things continue because it might be easier to allow it to be so; or perhaps individuals feel powerless to fight for change.

              Perhaps mob mentality, if working towards change and the good of the society , can work in a positive change.

              I find it incredulous that cowardly, yet evil individuals can be protected by the ‘law’. How can justice be incorporated and accepted as basically a game of chess. I have had to be like a blue cattle dog to stand up in court on behalf of another to question the ‘law’
              and successfully seen what I saw as fairness recognized. I am just an Arthur Dunger but I detest unfairness.

              Alluson’s situation is unfairness from all angles. It makes my blood boil but rather than letting those, or ‘he or she who angers us, conquer us’, as a community unite to support her family and loved ones to help to fight the protection that protects the guilty. I guess time will tell as to whether the law as it exists, and those working within its confines, do achieve justice for Allison. If not, I think there will be an uprising.

              Perhaps some of the more learned posters will think I am out of line here with my thoughts, but I have toughened up surprisingly as a result of participating in this blog. I was a blog virgin and never had reason prior to this hideous situation regarding Allison to seek out this site.

              I think it is important to be brave and provide feedback and seek change where necessary. Allison has given life to three females and any positive and empowering progress for the sisterhood is something I suspect she would have supported. Currently and historically, we still have a long way to go. Please also accept that I wish for fairness for all victims irrespective of their sex.

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              • Little Fish, if the peasants are revolting, I’ll join the revolt (re the right to remain silent). I’ll have to do some reading up on it first but it does just seem wrong straight off the bat. . .to zip your lips in preference to speaking the truth. It can’t be that simple?

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    • Never enough in my view but better than nothing.

      Sooooooo

      Adrian Bayley has admitted murdering Jill Meagher
      Steven James has admitted murdering Sarah Cafferkey
      Gerald Baden-Clay has ……………….. so far been awfully silent, but for how much longer one has to wonder.

      Whatever strategy they are using in Victoria to speed up these admissions, can you please use it in Queensland also.

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      • Maybe because its his wife, the mother of his children, the beautiful intelligent articulate woman he really fell in love with, it will be the hardest admission of all.

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        • And if GBC admits to murder, what negligible chance of getting away with murder, resolving his financial woes, and returning to “Business as Usual”, will totally disappear, But the upside is just as an early guilty plea and signs of remorse often bring a reduction in sentencing, the opposite applies when a crim totally denies wrongdoing in the face of compelling evidence.

          I am hoping he gets 30 Years.

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            • I don’t, and never have, believed that GBC will admit to anything. ‘Guilty pleas’ and ‘signs of remorse’ are not going to happen from him. I think he really lives in another parallel universe Dan. And for these reasons, he would be his legal team’s worst nightmare, despite their great track record in the legal arena. GBC would not be taking legal advice, being ‘above it all’, instructing them what to do. If (and I think they do) the prosecution has enough circumstantial evidence to convince a jury of his guilt he will be pleading innocence until the day he is sentenced. And GBC will then be furious at his legal team’s incompetency. This is serious stuff, we are not dealing with a person and family who are your normal run of the mill citizens.

              Whitchettad, I see it differently, I don’t think GBC thinks or feels about Allison as ‘his wife and mother of his children’ but rather as an inconvenient person in his life to be used in whatever way suits him at the time.

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      • These murders are all so sad. And I think with both Adrian Bayley and Stephen James they had previous convictions for serious crimes, but had been let out and into the community only to repeat the pattern. It is awful and definitely not justice. If we don’t want to adopt the death penalty for repeat serious offences, then we have to carry the cost of locking them up for the rest of their natural lives. More innocent people being murdered is too heavy a price to pay for saving money on incarceration. Psycopaths can seemingly NOT be rehabilitated. It seems once they get onto the path of violence they just continue. Makes one wonder when reading about a life insurance policy GBC supposedly had on his eldest daughter….especially in the light of his dire financial status…..

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        • Yeah … it does make us wonder about life insurance policy GBC had on his eldest DTR … especially in light of his financial situation.

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              • WOW Ozmosis, this really is chilling in the light of what had happened to Allison. Did he anticipate needing more than about $960 000 ?? It would have nearly settled his debts, maybe he liked the idea of having more than the amount that he owed, so he had a bit spare for essentials such as luxury cars, setting up a new business, etc….the mind boggles…. But what a shocking idea. Incidentally Ozmosis, how much was the daughter’s life insurance for?

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                • RIP, I don’t think the insured amount was mentioned. Someone in here gave a likely reason for why she would be insured but I can’t remember who or what the reason was. The only insurance on kids that I would consider would be a funeral fund or that school accident scheme. Oh wait, I think the reason someone gave was that it could be cashed in and used for something important when the girl got older. I think trust funds are a better way to go about that, personally. Also, why just one daughter? I had a horrid thought that maybe there was intended to be a “murder-suicide”. Let’s hope I am totally off-base.

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                  • Yes the person said people can take out life insurance on their kids and then cash it in to buy the kid their first car years later. I have never heard of this use for life insurance, but considering GBC’s dire financial position, he could not afford to pay life insurance for a kid so she could by a car for herself a decade from now – that would not make any sense.

                    Considering his keenness to get Allison’s life insurance paid to him as a sole beneficiary, discovering that he has taken out life insurance on his eldest daughter seems very sinister indeed. Perhaps a second tragedy has been averted.

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                • The above content is retracted since it has transpired there was a bit of a misunderstanding – the daughter does not have life insurance!

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  10. I agree with all you guys about animal intelligence, horses, dogs, others. We make a monumental mistake as humans to assume because they communicate with a different type of ‘language’ than we do, they are dumb. I too am convinced they all understand a heck of a lot more about life and what goes on around them than what most of us give them credit for. All those animals that were distressed on 19/20 April knew full well one creature was injuring another – very badly.

    I think we also have an ability to ‘know’ thinks intuitively, only we do not always trust our gut, since this ‘knowledge’ can not be proven or quantified scientifically. I noticed several people on the blog and even in my workplace have expressed the same strong feeling I had when I first saw the GBC news on TV and video showing GBC and Sis’s interview – instinctively felt very strongly he has murdered her and OW looked very much as if she knew all about it. I guess time will tell if our gut feeling was correct…

    Re the ‘right to remain silent’ there has to be some sense in it or else it would not have existed to start with. I do not have time at present to launch into a research project on this topic. I’m sure it probably warrants spending time on. Maybe one of our legal eagles can explain the core issues to us amateurs in broad and simple terms. But it sure can be misused by crims, so perhaps it is time if not to scrap it, then to make amendments to it, in order to retain the useful bits but eradicate misuse.

    Thanks billxr6 for the info “12 to 15 manslaughter 25 to 35 for murder”. With the BC track record of seemingly lying actively or by omission at every opportunity for a year now, potentially costing the taxpayer millions more than it needed to have cost, I’ll say if proven guilty of murder the absolute max sentence should apply – to killer and any accomplices involved.

    Just something I thought about recently when a few of you guys mentioned the clothes that Allison was wearing, I wonder if the clothes that people saw GBC wear on 19 April were found in the dirty washing bin the next morning? That shirt would have been a mess and most certainly would have been blood stained, likely too the pants. I don’t think we have heard a peep about this yet, have we? Of course we do not know whether the final altercation would have broken out before or after Allison had changed, but nevertheless, I wonder if the clothes she wore to the hairdressers and to the in-laws that evening would have been in the dirty washing bin the next morning?

    Re the clothes I believe she had been dressed in after her murder, I agree the sizes and brands were a bit odd. I can still understand the pants if she bought a large size when she was pregnant and just kept wearing it with a drawstring pulled right in. But the pullover is a puzzle. One can not really buy a much larger size pullover than the size one actually is even for a reason such as pregnancy, because the sleeves will be ridiculously too long…..so this one is a puzzle.

    The only way I can see this possible is if it was a woolen pullover having belonged to someone much bigger (eg EBC) who may have washed it a machine by accident and it shrunk. In this case all including the sleeves will shrink proportionately. I once had such a pullover that I got from my mother-in-law, maybe Allison could have got this pullover in the same way. The dimensions of the pullover will be able to confirm if this was an item that could have fitted her at all or one that was just used (one shudders to think what for…) and left in place. If the latter is the case leaving it wrapped around her neck was likely a ‘mistake’ on the part of the killer – good if it helps prove his undoing.

    Fortunately the kids will likely know very well if all the items she was found in, were really hers that she wore on a regular basis.

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    • Wasn’t the washing being carried somewhere by Gerard in one of the pictures? If my partner were missing there is no way in hell I’d be doing any washing, or vacuuming, or painting, or hosing. I’d be barely eating or functioning. In the report she had something up around her neck area and possible trauma in a few spots if I read it right. Is there such a thing as a premeditated crime of passion?

      I dont like GBC’s chances of seeing daylight outside those walls for a very very long time. If I were his family i would be encouraging his to speak up the sooner the better. The sneaking around, lies and denial should be knocked out of him by then.

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      • 1) problem being, that if he speaks, the whole family is revealed.
        2) a previous post made me think about Toni’s boys. They too are innocent victims of this terrible situation. I wonder who is nurturing them…

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      • No washing that I heard of. He did pile up kids’ clothes and toys to be taken to his parent’s house, where he and the 3 kids stayed for a while. I do recall he had stuffed laundry baskets with their belongings to take to Skull manor.

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        • I’m hoping the policeman who had the presence of mind to go and look for evidence of bloodied tissues or the like from GBC’s alleged shaving accidents, also had the presence of mind to look what clothes were in the dirty washing bin, list & photograph them, to see if the ones really worn on 19/4 during the argument had been disposed of.

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          • Ripper tune (one of my Dad’s old sayings) RIP. VERY interesting information re the clothes basket and contents and attention to detail etc. As others have said, while apparently all the evidence is circumstantial, I think we might be in for some surprises; Old Danny Boy and his band of merry men are playing some cards close to their chest. I guess they are used to playing the legal game but it would give me the Tom Tits. I guess it is in the interest of fairness all around to keep everyone honest except of course for the dishonest bastards that it is impossible to keep honest.

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  11. Hi RIP .. Agree 110% about the gut feeling in the community about who Allisons murderer was… Anyone around with any kind of intuition had their receptors going haywire that night …
    You know it could be argued some of your best years as a family could be the years when the kids are a little older and can communicate with you with greater understanding while still being great fun and trusting of their parents…. What still twists my stomach is that family missing those years .. It is very small satisfaction seeing Gerb wasting some of the best years of his life in a cage when such a great experience was possible for this family if he wasn’t what he is…

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    • Agreed ICanCU, that family had every opportunity to be a happy ‘normal’ one.And it seems it was pretty much so and they may well have worked things out if it was not for TMcH appearing on the horizon. It seems to me she had a very destructive influence on this family unit, one that GBC just seemingly could not turn his back and walk away from.

      She left her long-time partner in a matter of 3 months or so from meeting GBC and since then had seemingly done her utmost since then to break up his marriage and get him away from Allison. I am not excusing what GBC has done, but she seems to have wielded an enormous influence over the failure of his marriage, and probably has a lot to do with the murderous outcome too – whether just in terms of motivation, possibly suggestion or just plain pressure to get his finances sorted and finally be with her. I think the extent of her influence via the likes of brainwashing, suggestion and possible participation should be carefully scrutinised. Since reading and hearing her evidence I suspect she has a lot to answer for, and may have played a much bigger role than I had previously thought….

      It is a terrible pity that he was too weak-minded to do the right thing – stick to scout’s honour and his marriage vows…..and a pity his family encouraged instead of discouraged this affair with TMcH. If not his life would have been on a very different trajectory and Allison would still be alive.

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      • Don’t be fooled though. If it wasn’t TMcH it would have been another one and another one and another one and i think it was in this case wasn’t it? That is just how these freaks role. They don’t ask for what they want, they just take it and any woman is fair game. These women mean nothing to them, it just satisfies their ego and narcissism. They even get some sort of sinister kick out of watching others suffer through their misdeeds. if they didn’t why would they keep doing it, keep lying, keep manipulating, keep decieving? Weak is an understatement for these types. As for TMcH she is a total fool and needs help. He was a drug to her and she did not want to admit it even through the other affairs. When people have to lie about what they really own they have lost it completely already. Money is the root of all evil. GBC wanted it all and he wanted it NOW. Sex, His Drug (money) and RocknRoll.

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        • Yes, the love of money is the root of all evil. He loved the wrong things, the wrong people. If indeed he is able to feel love at all.

          I hope TMcH is enjoying her Easter break with her children as Allison’s children recall their last Easter break with their own mother. As she hugs and kisses her boys I hope she spares a moment to think about the children whose father she so determinedly pursued, and needed, and had to have at all cost.

          A song comes to mind. . .Love the One You’re With – Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.
          “and if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with.”
          So careless and shallow.

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      • You are on the money RIP, I’d love to know how much the Dickies know about Allisons grief, she must have confided in her parents at her lowest points & her sadness with the fear of losing her husband to this devil incarnate. Allisons parents and sibling should be fantastic witnesses. Allison may have had too much pride to speak with a local friend in fear of gossip but I bet her parents picked up on her anxiety and asked for sure.

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        • Gut feeling about Allison confiding in her family… I don’t think so. Remembering that she was an independent woman who was caught up in a real-life nightmare, sometimes I think parents are the last people we confide in with respect to failing or failed relationships. I have thought a bit about why this is so and while many dynamics are at play, first and foremost i think it is because we don’t want to cause them unnecessary emotional pain.

          Just my opinion. I don’t think any of us marry with the thought that it will probably fail. It is a hard fact to come to terms with yourself and no matter how wonderful and supportive our folks might be, there still seems to be a need to protect them. Perhaps it is a natural succession process where the children become adults and the protector of the parents as they age.

          Of course, I could be completely off track as I don’t have psychic nor magical capabilities.

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          • Little Fish maybe different people do this differently, but I found I did exactly as you explained. I tried to spare my parents information about circumstances that would have caused them upset or worry.

            So if Allison followed our mold she might have shared snippets but only with very few people,she would have carried the brunt of the burden stoically by herself.

            The counselor may be the only person to whom she would have told a lot more, hence I hope she will under the circumstances be able to reveal what GBC caused her to have to endure.

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            • As weird as this may seem, there are people who, out of necessity, well it seems that way at a given time, live a double life. I think it takes great intestinal fortitude to maintain it long term….. Imagine an intelligent, articulate, happy woman who has had a happy, loving upbringing, enjoying life through study, travel, work. She meets a ‘different somehow’ man who woos her, entices her, promises her and she makes a commitment. She probably consciously realises that there is something not quite right fairly early on in her marriage but along come babies, her time is consumed doing the most important task ever encountered, and because she has no prior experience with behaviours emerging from her partner (generally they are on their best behaviour to woo their prey but slowly show their true colours), she is caught unawares or by surprise. She will try to ‘will’ all to be well and good. You know, she might be thinking this or that was a one off incident, people aren’t ‘like that’, ‘maybe I misunderstood’, etc etc all the while hoping to wake up each day to a new start and an absence of the odd behaviours of her spouse. Behaviours that are belittling towards her, controlling of her, gradually eroding her sense of self and confidence. The anger and aggression that continues is bewildering and she spirals into an internal atmosphere of confusion. She becomes ground down seeing the duplicity of her spouse – the public and private personas. She will be trying to be the best mother she can be, continue the duties of what might be expected as a wife and partner, maintain a smiling facade and present as normal. Go to school, functions, work being the good person that she is but underneath her self-esteem has been crushed and stamped on by a sociopathic, insecure and cruel weakling.

              Sorry I digress and get carried away with emotion but back to the double life… How does one articulate the degree of difficulty (evil nature) of a partner who is also the father of your children who you thought you knew but discover is far outside the normal loving person you desired and deserve, to another. You don’t want that partner to actually be who you are discovering them to be, and you don’t want to share that as it makes it even more real and besides there is still a degree of protectiveness of this partner because you loved them and want to protect them from criticism even though they dish it out.

              Maybe I haven’t described the dual faces as well as I would have liked. I think I am saying the facade that is maintained in public is a disguise for the crumbling real self.

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      • I feel a bit bad for saying this but in the post where you mentioned RIP that Allison’s family had every opportunity to have a normal and happy life, I really think that scenario would have been an impossibility while the man who is banged up in Arthur Gorrie was a piece of the chain.

        I suspect that the majority of Allison’s time in her marriage was both an inner an external turmoil. She was the honey caught in a poisonous web of deceipt, betrayal and falseness. I feel soooo sorry for her, not only because it resulted in her death, but for what she endured in life. A web of the kind she was unwittingly caught up in was almost beyond escape. It was a big package with many evil and powerful players. Powerful, I believe because they would have been of a calibre she had never encountered and therefore not skilled or equipped to deal with. A kind of trickery. One that took time for her to realise the full extent and depth of. By the time she possibly realised what she was up against, and it was they who were mad, weak and just plain wrong ( and not the other way around as they may have brain-washed her into thinking), the opportunity to escape was snatched away from her.

        Can you imagine what sort of nastiness she would have had to deal with if Allison had been the one to leave, to want full custody of her girls to keep them safe from that poisonous web….. Just more pain and suffering. Poor bugger, a victim of circumstance that no-one should ever question why she was still there. It was for the time being impossible to escape. So sad. Normality, whatever that actually is, as it comes in all varieties, was not something Allison would ever know again after becoming a member of that evil web.

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        • I thought maybe without the temptation that TMcH put in front of GBC, perhaps he may have been able to make better choices….but as whichetetad said then he would likely just have gone astray with someone else….. so you may well be right little fish, that ‘normality’ was not destined to be for this bloke….

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          • RIP Allison (April 1, 2013 at 12:19 am)
            Hello RIP, he did “go astray” with more than “someone” else. I’ve said it before, if I was any one of those women whop frolicked with the grub caterpillar I’d be off to be tested for STI’s / STD’s before anyone could say Baden-Clay!

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            • And thanking my lucky stars that I didn’t end up dead at the hands of the “family”. If the coroner had ruled Allison’s death a suicide then the clan would have realised how easy it was to receive insurance money. Who knows what TM’s fate might have been some time in the future.

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  12. The mandatory sentence for murder in Qld is life. The only variation is the parole eligibility. In real terms this means that someone must serve around 15 years minimum, apply for parole (which may be refused) and even if released they are on parole for life and subject to conditions. The time that must be served varies depending on whether there are aggravating factors.

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    • Thanks Sandiegg. Do you mean to say guys like Adrian Bayley and Stephen James commit these horrible repeat offences while out on parole? Looks to me serious offenders (definitely psycopathic ones) just should not ever be eligible for parole – life must be life. It’s awful but if they just don’t have a moral compass and have demonstrated a lack of respect for the life and freedom of others, then they must lose their own right to freedom – I do not see any alternative. Neither Jill Meagher or Sarah Cafferkey should have died. To me the fact that they did means the legal system (parole?) is not working and it should be changed so this never happens again.

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    • I don’t think it’s impossible. I had a dog that bloodied a sheep and she was banned from being near him for awhile and then closely supervised. She never hurt him again. Had another dog that one afternoon slaughtered all my chickens in their pen when I wasn’t home. Two years later, my chickens, would roam the yard and sit around her and everything. One of the problems is the pack mentatlity. When there is more than one dog, trouble really starts. The nicest dog will participate in killing when in a pack.

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        • RIP Allison, Very interesting indeed. SFA’s report speaks volumes. You mention rude.
          My thoughts are: With steely determination, OW has her own agenda, and doesn’t wish to be distracted from that. Not by mere supporters of Allison. Not by anybody. Not by the truth.
          Her interest is to see her brother acquitted by whatever means. Justice for Allison simply is not any part of the equation. To cast aspersions on the character of Allison, if that helps get GBC off on all counts, will do also. She will stop at nothing , it appears.

          Re-posting the relevant portion of SFA’s post.

          “A lady sitting next to me, who I assume is a friend of Allison’s said she would go and speak to GBC as well. The two ladies OW and this blonde lady stood near the accused’s seating area. The blonde lady exchanged a few words with OW who ignored her.”

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          • Hi guys, back from Sydney this afternoon. Actually with OW and the blonde lady in court, it was more than that. The blonde lady spoke to OW, who turned her head in the opposite direction. I agree with your take on this wholeheartedly QCL.

            OW is focused on her brother’s innocence at any cost and Allison’s demise does not come into the equation on any level. People who know OW, in court that day I was there, said as much ‘nothing will stop her’, ‘she has no shame’ etc. This to me is at the heart of the strangeness of the BC clan.

            I’m catching up on reading from the weekend, but I do agree with MM’s forensic astrology post that OW will in time become unstuck. Up until now she has been towing the family line, but conscience/guilt will in time get to her. There is after all a long time until this goes to trial and I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if OW has some form of melt-down before then.

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    • Sad for Allison submitted some extremely valuable and insightful posts here after being in Court 12 March 2013.
      SFA Please, I hope you don’t mind if I copy them here. They speak volumes. These posts speak way more than any newspaper reports IMO. And I applaud you for them.

      Sad for Allison 2013/03/12 at 6:26 PM
      You are so right Ozmosis, and OW caused a stir again today. She was waiting next to the accused’s glassed in area today, and when he was a little late in arriving went to chat to Mahoney. A lady sitting next to me, who I assume is a friend of Allison’s said she would go and speak to GBC as well. The two ladies OW and this blonde lady stood near the accused’s seating area. The blonde lady exchanged a few words with OW who ignored her. When GBC arrived OW bent down and said a few words to him, and this lady leaned in and said a few too. A police woman stepped forward and asked the blonde lady to remove herself, at which she asked why OW could speak to GBC and not her. None of us could hear what OW said to GBC, but the blonde lady said “I don’t love you, I hate you” fairly loudly and came back to sit at her seat next to me. I asked her if OW was giving evidence and she said “oh yes she is”. This caused further angst after lunch when OW again stood at the accused glassed in area to talk to him. She spoke to the police officer who shook her head.
      OW then called in Mahoney who had a lengthy chat with the police officer who again shook her head and GBC did not speak to OW. She doesn’t give up, but aroused emotions as we were sitting behind Kerry-Ann Walker’s parents. They asked “can we object” and I heard the comment “get her out”, “she will stop at nothing”. There were some tense moments, but all of this was when the Magistrate was not present.

      Sad for Alison on 2013/03/12 at 6:31 PM
      See my post above, I sat next to her today and got the impression she was a friend of Allison’s as she chatted constantly to Allison’s supporters in front of us including Kerry-Anne Walker’s parents. She was extremely angry and anti GBC, but seemed to be on Allison’s side.

      Sad for Allison 2013/03/12 at 6:34 PM
      My interpretation of how it happened was that OW could have said “I love you” to GBC and this woman’s reaction was “I don’t love you, I hate you.”
      There were comments during the day of Allison’s supporters saying sarcastically “should we blow him a kiss?” You have to be there to appreciate the mood and intensity of their dislike for GBC (they were in the row in front of us.) I’m not saying he’s guilty until he’s tried and hung, but they no doubt know a lot of the history building up to this event, in the way he treated Allison.

      Sad for Allison 2013/03/22 at 7:17 PM
      I sat very near the blonde lady on my one and only day in court Oz, the one who went up to GBC and said “I don’t love you, I hate you”. She was fuming
      When she sat down and I asked her if OW was a witness, and she said “Oh yes”
      So I too wonder about her being allowed to do interviews, and likewise her right to speak to GBC during the committal proceedings. My guess is, for the latter, the QPC minders in court allowed it as in support from next of kin. I know Allison’s supporters sitting in front of us commented loudly “it’s illegal” (OW speaking to GBC in court.) There’s no doubt there’s a steely determination about OW, and after all, she was raised by NBC and EBC who seem to have their own version of entitlement, reality and the world.

      Sad for Allison 2013/03/12 at 8:07 PM
      One of the best parts of my day today was talking to Constable Kieron Ash in one of the breaks after he had given his evidence and had answered Peter Davis’s questions. I simply said to him that I congratulated him for his radar going up when he first attended the BC house on the morning of 20th April.

      Sad for Allison 2013/03/13 at 8:30 PM
      Thanks MM. He is a humble man, and was genuinely appreciative. I did tell him that many members of the public (all you guys) acknowledged his intuition and thanked him.

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      • Great work on this SFA and thanks QCL for reposting, I missed these posts in the hustle and bustle of activity on here during the case. Great to see the pro Allison’s active at court.

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        • No worries, guys, it was a very interesting day indeed, especially seeing the dynamics between witnesses, the Magistrate the legal eagles. Danny Boyle kept a reasonably low profile, only cross-examining witnesses when Mahoney left questions hanging (over GBC being innocent of course.)

          There was a very large contingent of supporters for Allison in court, friends and family I assume. I’m a little puzzled though that I’ve read that Allison’s parents were in court during the committal (perhaps in the latter 3 of the 6 days?) Does anyone know if this was the case? I certainly hope not, for their sakes.

          Kerry-Anne Walker’s parents sat in front of us and she shares very similar looks to her mother. They participated very conscientiously in the proceedings, watching GBC from the angle they were sitting at in the front left hand side of the court, quietly uttering comments throughout, and spoke to the blonde lady referred to above. My distinct impression was that the blonde lady was a friend of Allison’s. She was very intense and constantly clenched her jaw sitting near me. KAW couldn’t attend in court as she was a witness. I have a feeling that posters may have confused KAW’s parents with Allison’s, but I may be wrong.

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          • I agree SfA.. There would have been mention in the press if they’d been around.

            The Dickies priorities lie with the girls and if they’re still being moved to a safe house for each hearing, their comings and goings would be very obviously escorted.

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            • I wasn’t aware of the safe houses MM. I would hope the girls are being provided with some semblance of a normal existence with their maternal grandparents through these horrific events.

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  13. Adrian Bayley just wouldn’t have happenned in Qld. He would likely have not been released and if he had been would have been under the Dangerous Prisoners Act and under a strict order and sex offender registration. He would have been sent back long before he killed Jill.
    Victoria does not have mandatory life sentences for murder but the upside to that is that the judge can sentence in real terms what the offender will do. In Qld it is life but life is hardly ever served actually in prison though it can be. Gerard could end up doing only 15 years actually in prison.
    It might seem light but in same cases it is appropriate. Some people convicted of murder actually have cases that resemble manslaughter more,e.g. fights that got out of control. And some cases of manslaughter are really murder. Sometimes people are sentenced with manslaughter when murder beyond a reasonable doubt is too difficult. The prosecution has more chance of a manslaughter conviction.

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    • It all sounds very complicated! It is good if Adrian Bailey would not have been allowed to roam the streets in QLD. Pity he was in Melbourne. 15 years seem far too light for a heartless murder such as Allison’s that not just robbed her of her life for no wrongdoing on her side, but also robbed 3 young girls of their mother. I know what I think is irrelevant, but max sentence without parole seems appropriate.

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      • RIP I agree and perhaps the judge will sentence him to a higher non-parole period but it is unlikely to be much more than that sorry to say. The only men I know of who have served more than that were multiple killings or aggravated, for example, also raped etc. There is also provision for crimes committed against certain classes of people, for example, the elderly, etc. Sometimes they commit further crimes and prison and are kept in. However, the good news is that being a life parolee would limit him in ways like employment (criminal record checks) and travel (cannot leave the state without permission, denied access to many countries). Being an infamous case, many people will always recognise him also. If he breaks the law no matter how slight he can be sent back at any time. He will have to report to a parole officer periodically for the rest of his life. If he is pulled over driving and they do a check they will find out that he is a parolee and a murderer.

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        • Thanks sandiegg, that just may cramp his narcissistic style a little. Not a bad thing, to my way of thinking. Being accountable, the public and future employees/money lenders etc knowing what he did, him no longer have a free rein to do as he pleases. The jail term couldn’t be long enough, but the ripple effect may just come back to bite him and hurt a little.

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  14. Regarding the clothes gbc wore . . .I hope I’m wrong but I believe there was ample opportunity for their disposal prior to the police arriving. What with all of the driving around ‘searching’ for Allison by gbc and Livvy. Who knows where those clothes are? Not necessarily in a random bin either, knowing they too would be searched?
    Recalling that gbc was so well presented in the morning (cufflinks and all), I believe whilst gbc may not have been thinking clearly that morning, there were two other heads there mopping up the scene in more ways than one.

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    • Yep. So easy to dispose of such stuff and they sure were left plenty of slack to do so.

      Happy Easter to y’all.

      A thought this morning was the thoughts of those little poppets of Allison’s. Easter Bunny time and the youngest is probably still a believer. I wonder with the custody arrangements whether it is stated that Mr and Mrs Dickie hold the girls close to their chests at these significant times or whether it is a gamble on the tri-weekly visits to the house of horrors x 2 – the dictators’ house and a correctional centre. What rights does a person, a father, have with respect to expecting to be able to see the orphaned children he created…biologically and by action, if you get my drift. He helped create these precious human beings but suspected of also creating the worst situation a child could ever find themselves helplessly in ie their mother killed in cold blood, and her killer himself, the children’s father. 1 + 1 = 2 and 2 + 3 = 5 and 5 – 1 = 4 and then 4 – 1 = 3.

      3 permanent scarred girls who will grow into women and possibly mothers. No child asks to be born and we don’t get to choose our parentage. Thank God they have beautiful, loving caring extended family around them. From what I can gather Allison’s family are salt of the earth, earth angels, and I know for a fact that their extended family is one to be envied for their goodness and connectedness.

      Remember instant and delayed gratification when you reach for those yummy choccies.

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      • Hello Little Fish, I worked with three children whose father was murdered by their mother. At the time of the murder the youngest child was three. The mother insisted that the children be taken to the gaol to see her every weekend, and so it was, every weekend at the entrance to the gaol the children were forced to watch the guards open each item they had wrapped for their mother, before being taken to a room to meet with their mother. She told her children the place they were visiting her was a ‘special hospital. Those children spent years never going to a park, a film, a friends weekend birthday party, never being able to tell their school friends of the “kids stuff” they had enjoyed on their weekends. The mother dictated the terms her children were forced to endure whilst she served her life sentence.

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          • Hello billxr6 – (March 31, 2013 at 12:33 pm) not sure for the basis / intent of your question & apologies in advance, however due to 1) primarily protect the privacy of the children (now adults) & 2) to a lesser degree, the mother, I’m not prepared to divulge personal information of this family.

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    • I agree there was ample time to dispose of all bloodied clothes, I just hope someone had the presence of mind to establish that they had been disposed of – that in itself is very incriminating if clothes worn by one or both parties involved in the altercation ‘coincidentally’ disappears off the face of the earth overnight, concurrent with Allison going ‘missing’…

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  15. Happy Easter to you all. Drive safely too.
    “There’s nothing better than a good friend, except a good friend with chocolate.” – Linda Grayson

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      • Hi Mountain Misst, I have a question for you, Do your Horoscopes predict any other parties involved in Allison’s Murder. and if they are to be arrested and charged ?.

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        • Yes Dan the time is getting closer for me to light the fire under the skull cauldron again. When we get a trial date I can then cast some charts and see what comes up for them all.
          In the meantime I doubt we shall see any action, but who knows what bunny might get pulled out of the hat. I sing Danny Boy every day in optimism…

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          • Dear MM
            I’m sure that will be fascinating.
            Even better would be some new arrests/charges in advance of the trial date.
            I am having great difficulty in getting my head around a life insurance policy on the eldest daughter.
            Would you be able to post the relevant mention here – I really believe the media may be interested in this.
            Thank you.

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            • Mine, and only mine, and without any inside knowledge, thoughts on the insurance on one daughter only: as Gerard hadn’t morphed into an adult, was still basically organized and controlled by his parents, perhaps Nige had something up his sleeve.
              The other alternative is one I don’t wish to dwell on because it is too horendous….. Has Gerard mistreated her in some way and afraid that knowledge might be divulged. I feel terrible even hinting at or suggesting anything untoward in the event that sometime in the future our ponderings may be viewed by those precious daughters, but the evil nature of some of those discussed here makes one expect no surprises with devious/deviant tendencies.

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            • Is there something I can do that you can’t GHS? If it’s to do with the family’s insurance policies, I don’t have access to anything that you don’t and insurance is far too complex for me to attempt to unravel.
              When I got the original info to do with GBC and Allison’s insurance policies I couldn’t write anything, because I didn’t understand it then.
              Insurance coys just seems to be another way of getting money out of you and they make the policies complicated so that they can weasel out of paying out when you claim.

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              • Sorry if I have been misunderstood MM – I was responding to a suggestion from another poster.
                He/she was assuring an enquirer (asking about fact versus fiction) that there was evidence of the life insurance policy on the eldest daughter.
                I just assumed that fact must have been part of the documents you have shared with us in recent times.
                If that is wrong, it begs the question: Who provided this site with that information and is it genuine?

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                  • Ok, I have gone into the court document that has the financial information. Someone did say in here that the daughter had a life insurance policy and it was stated in the financial document. http://astrologyincrime.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/accountant-report-by-kelly-beckett.pdf

                    I just went back and read the document and item 58 has a category called “Investments”. There are 3 sub-categories – Managed Funds, Whole of Life Policies, Share Portfolio. The daughter is listed as having shares under the Managed Funds category – Allison is the trustee. All 3 girls are mentioned in item 24/25 where the bank accounts are listed. Allison & GBC are trustees for each girl.

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                    • Thanks Ozmosis – I felt sure it must have come from MM.
                      Makes for sobering reading…
                      I’m thinking that all those who lent vast sums of money are now well and truly left high and dry – a big price to pay for befriending a gerbil.

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                    • Hi Ozmosis,

                      I had a quick look at the report you referenced but find these financial summaries bewilderingly complex (so many companies registered, none seemingly making a profit!), and I could not see a child named. I saw Allison’s 3 insurance policies listed for just under $1 million, and about 10 insurance policies for GBC worth $3miilion. WOW. How does one afford to pay such policies if you are not even making an income??? This is all beyond me.

                      You say the daughter has shares in a ‘managed fund’ – am I correct that this is not life insurance – ie the claim that life insurance was taken out for the eldest daughter was incorrect?

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                    • Yes, the information was incorrect, more than like inadvertently. As you say they are hard to understand. Look for item no. 58 and you will see the daughter’s name. Items 24 and 25 have the girls bank accounts listed.

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                  • And we wouldn’t expect you to, dear MM – your largesse has been warmly welcomed by all.
                    But please check to see if you have a bee in your Easter bonnet? (as opposed to a caterpillar)

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                    • Hahaha you’re a gem GHS and so gentle. Hugs back to you. I still don’t know tho… that’ll drive me nuts now.

                      May you all have much abundance today…

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  16. Yoshi, Rob,
    Before my request I’d like to acknowledge the super work you guys do putting this together – top notch, very much appreciated by many of us. Thank-you.
    Would it be possible please to configure this tool so that each time we clicked on an avatar it would display all posts that have been logged by that avatar?

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    • Excuse my stepping in here, AV: My blog has the same theme and template as Robbo’s and I know we don’t have that as an automatic option. It would be very nice though wouldn’t it.
      It would require some very skilful IT programming to insert into the “Twenty Eleven” theme. Hopefully Robbo or Yoshi have such a person in their ‘mate basket’.

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      • Hello MM, thank-you for the information & yes ‘twould be nice! Perhaps WordPress will incorporate it into the next upgrade. Otherwise, I’m with you, hoping Rob & or Yoshi have an IT wizz stuck in their back pocket, chomping at the bit for a new task!

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  17. quick Salute to all ….

    re the life insurance policy on the eldest daughter, it is referred to in the Forensic Accountants statement…which we wouldnt have without Mountain Missts generosity.

    Gerard was very careful to tell Toni all the dreadful things Allison did to him… checking up on his phones, emails, GPS, a very tight leash.. and I believe that Gerard told Toni this stuff because it fed their fantasy… I think Toni and Gerard often talked, and maybe talked about nothing else but Allison…. I suspect that when we ever get to see Old Tones 5th statement, it will lay the foundations for the Premeditation aspect of Allisons murder. .. Toni has had to throw Gerard under the bus to get some sort of immunity on a few charges.

    That is, Gerard and she discussed Allisons REMOVAL, in a sense , long before April 20th. It kept them going.. certainly it would have kept Tone on the boil..not that she needed any stoking, but she did need the fantasy more and more as time went on..

    There is a bit in her statement, re, .. when she asks him which he is going to do first, sell (??) the business, or get out of the marriage.. she wants to know if Allison will continue working there if he leaves the marriage first.. ( such a ridiculous prospect) and Gerard says, he will leave the marriage first… Allison had her ( Toni’s) job, her ( Toni’s ) chair, her ( Toni’s ) life, her bloke, her future, , Gerard seems to keep this stuff going with Toni… It has actually been their shared fantasy since 2008. it has a life of it’s own, this fantasy, and its reasonable to assume that Gerard had to do some fancy dancing to keep it going in the light of the reality, that he hadnt left Allison, he hadnt fired Allison, like he fired Toni, he hasnt moved in with her ( toni ) even though she has sorted out a plan for him to do that.. ( see the bruce overland emails) …

    In a wierd way, I think Old Tone still has this fantasy.. its a hard thing to dismiss…

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    • Marps, I’m thinking there was a lot of discussion about Allison by these two troglodytes. Allison was never far from Toni’s mind, I’m sure, as Allison HAD what Toni wanted. And it seemed Gerard was dragging his feet in leaving the marriage. I think Toni was desperate towards the end, knowing she was still required to skulk around in the dark, lying and scheming. I believe she was more agitated and jittery about Allison than Allison was about her.

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  18. Yoshi and all of the many, many decent folk in the legal profession….divert your attention as I spew forth on a minority of legal eagles who violate the “innocent until proved guilty” mantra…and we are witnessing a number of them in this case.

    Their mantra is “innocent until proved broke”…and the sooner the BC gravy train dries up the sooner we may see some good old fashioned sanity and accountability.

    American style chequebook law has arrived at any number of injustices…Mick Jackson and Juice Simpson for starters.

    Law should adopt more of the good practices of mediation where it is obligatory to hear the version of events from all parties involved. No hiding or keeping mum. Tell us your story…and you know to whom I am referring, don’t you?

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  19. Mountain Misst – you are to be thanked for purchasing court documents at your own expense and sharing those documents with us to be perused and discussed. I suppose you weren’t the author of any of those documents?! Thankyou also for sharing with us the phone records paid for by another site. You didn’t have to do any of this, so it is very much appreciated. No-one’s shooting the messenger here. . .
    I have done quite a bit of volunteering over the years, and it is always the same people putting their hands up to help, while the usual suspects sitting on their hands feel free to criticise. I have developed quite a thick skin with my life experiences and I’m sure you have too. Water off a duck’s back. ..stay calm and carry on ;-)

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      • Gee whiz I never thought of making up the statements, no they’re all genuine RB. Besides that’s not my style.

        I have a very large dose of justice (Jupiter) in my chart and so fairness is a motivator, to my detriment on many occasions. That would be obvious on my blog if not elsewhere. It is only when I am attacked unfairly, that I defend (again a Jupiter trait) then it’s look out and duck for cover… In psychology we call it the dove and the hawk.

        The court documents don’t cost a huge amount of money. They charge for the photocopying and the postage, that’s it. Just takes a phone call or an email telling them which docs you want, they come back with a quote and you give them your credit card details over the phone and the postie brings them to your door.

        Note tho – when I bought the flight centre material of just a few pages and compared with later purchases by others, the minimum cost is quite high.

        I had no idea that the committal hearing was going to be ‘all about the documents’ that I held and the many, many thousands of people who downloaded them from my site was quite a surprise.

        The courts would make money to pay for more than their tea and bikkies, if they had them available for download.

        The phone records were paid for by Makara herself not ‘another site’ RB. Makara is here on Aussie Crims as well as on web-sleuths. We are not the same person, each of us just choose to use the same alias on both sites. I guess we are both tall poppies. lol

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        • May I also just ask a question. As the posts are all over the shop like a dog’s breakfast, I haven’t referred directly back to Reality Bites post that has put a cat amongst the pigeons but I did read the sentence about someone writing the report, but can’t recall the context but ask whether things have been read out of context or misinterpreted perhaps?

          From memory over the months, I haven’t noticed any untoward posts from him or her,and while I had a second look and think about the writing of the reports, I thought perhaps it meant that some information had been transcribed, rather than saying they were a script that had been devised. I mean, after all, that would seem quite crazy. RB may have already clarified this, but I am thinking lets not get carried away with ourselves and our abilities. None of us is God, nor a witness to that dreadful night, and it would seem incredulous to believe that someone had such an imagination or audacity, to write some fiction to feed to us rubber-neckers.

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  20. Mountain Misst, I would like to publicly thank you for all you have done in this case. I feel indebted to you. I think we all here feel the same way.
    You know, I have been thinking a lot about the story you published on your site before Christmas. “Gerbil in the Cookie Jar”. For those with a delicate constitution, it is pretty raunchy.
    In the light of all we have recently learned, I am now thinking along the lines, not only have you captured the true natures of the stars, you were not exaggerating. On the contrary. Your researching of the subject material, has clearly been meticulous and accurate. Thank you.

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    • Tks QCL. I picked up your message elsewhere, before the the dragon lady chopped it. lol By experience I have learned that I can’t acknowledge any comments there.
      I work on other threads o/seas where I am welcomed (as I am here) and can’t afford to be timed-out by a person who is obviously fearful of the unknown. That’s her cross to bear not ours.
      That’s the best-est thing about this site of Robbo’s, we can put down our cross and celebrate life. Enjoy…

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      • As long as we keep our feet on the ground and accept astrology as a tool and not a challenge to our faith, then we can accept its wisdom as a gift from the heavens or God or whatever your persuasion.

        I’m just the scribbler and you guys keep bringing me the cups of tea to keep going. Thank you one and all.

        Astrology does not give all the answers by any means, otherwise we’d have Allison’s phone by now and I have picked up a number of cases and put them back down as the result is not clear-cut.

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        • Dear Mountain Misst – You make astrology breathe with your insights – I have always enjoyed reading ‘popular’ astrology (like Linda Goodman etc) and I know nothing of astrology but your insights seem to be so accurate and apt as well as funny! Thank you for that and also your generosity to the people who share on this blog! Blessings and Hugs to you.

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        • MM, I not believe for a second that it is only the charts you draw up that gives you such marvellous insight. I trully believe that you must be a highly intuitive analytical and sensitive human being. I have come to have a deep respect for your opinion. It is always ample food for thought.

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      • Mountain Misst, That saying about throwing out the baby with the bath water, came to mind when I saw that WS can’t discuss astrologers sites or rumours or anything that is outside mainstream media. Shame they couldn’t take your purchased Court documents when they were offered.
        PS Dragon person removed the most important part of my thank-you post!
        PPS In hindsight, and with what we are learning since, your “Gerbil in the cookie jar” story might even be a “watered down” version of the reality.

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  21. Well! Don’t some things just rip the fork out of your bloody nighty….
    I just wrote a heartfelt message on my fading iPhone, and due to my fading eyesight and one too many beverages last night, it disappeared.

    Because my memory is also fading, I can’t recall exactly what I was trying to say but it was along the lines of the FACT that I don’t give a fig about who, what, where or how things happen, my soul purpose in being here is fundamentally the same as I suspect others are, to see truth and fairness win out over lies and evil (can I create a word ‘evility’ or does it already exist) – to see justice carried out in honour of an innocent woman – Allison Baden-Clay (I wasn’t going to add her surname because it seems wrong to connect it to her lovely christian name ….. Ironic when you write ‘christian’ under these circumstances….. But it is those 2 words at the end of her name, that might just be the most important in seeing the truth of the lie), for her sake, her children’s sake, her family and friends and society, in the main. For humanity, so that we do not become disillusioned that the bad people of the world have an upper hand, to strengthen their hold on controlling and manipulating others for their own means, at whatever cost with whatever actions ‘they’ deem necessary.

    Every individual who comes to this site has an agenda, a motive, a reason, a purpose for doing so and each to their own. We can’t solve the problem here, we have no ‘real’ power or any that might get the bastards to talk or to say ‘guilty, throw them to the wolves’. However we have a voice, and collectively that could become a force, so to speak, if all else fails. The power of the people. Because if we sit back and watch events unfold, and if good does NOT triumph over evil, due to individuals more clever than the evil individuals who committed the crime, and who are able to manipulate the legal processes, then we must protest and not let such things go by without fighting it. (Sorry, but unfairness stirs great passion in me and mob mentality can be a cause for all to hold back and not offer assistance, or it can be utilised to move forward and create change.)

    It hasn’t cost me a penny (God, if only some of us were getting a penny for every letter written here, collectively we could afford to do great things for the betterment of society). I am certain that every blogger here, unless some of you are actually known to each other unbeknownst to the bigger picture, thinks about, questions, etc the role of each little avatar and their owners. However, who, what, when, how or why is ours not to question (unless of course they lose their way and forget the purpose of being here – a murder that occurred almost one year ago), as this a free site. No-one comes kicking and screaming, unless of course it is out of sheer frustration for the patience required, or anger at more bizarre revelations that are displayed/revealed in order to protect the killer/killers.

    Like any outrageous event or action, if there is no discussion nor conversation, it means we are all prepared to let things slide. It is important to keep the topic alive (terrible choice of word here), relevant, out in the open. Otherwise, it just provides more power to the guilty party. If there ain’t enough evidence, even if ‘circumstantial’ to prosecute this case, then I will eat my hat and feel very, very frightened for what might be possible. It is all our business, or business of us all. If it is a job for some, paid or unpaid, then it is still important. Look at the most important job of life, mothering, which receives no financial remuneration. If some bloggers devote their life to issues such as these, so bit it, there must be something driving them. Sites such as these cannot afford to have bullies, leaders (as in thinking they are in charge – a little bit of power can be dangerous, especially if individuals take the liberty of attempting to control when it is only in their imagination), egos. These are the things that create disharmony and start wars, or lead to innocent people being murdered.

    Whatever I can learn from this site or from any other means to help me understand the madness of human capacity that might drive someone to act so callously, without emotion or conscience, is learning. Learning to understand the world in order to become a better citizen myself and also to be more aware and conscious and hopefully have a small skerrick of capacity to help bring about change.

    I would hope that while there is no more information available for bloggers to chew over until the real deal begins, the real court proceedings, that they don’t start chewing on each other out of frustration and boredom.

    That, my friends, is my Sunday sermon complete. I hope we have stayed together through my waffle and finished at the same place, without you going to sleep, or changing channel, but then again, like all things we have a choice, unless of course, someone rips that away from us.

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  22. April Fool’s Day tomorrow… warning – don’t believe anything that’s written before noon…

    After all these months we’ve been together, I have just realised that I haven’t done a straight forward forensic astrology enquiry of the murder of Allison. I have been remiss and will make good asap.

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    • Can’t wait MM!

      The night has fallen very early over Wacol this evening – pitch black already, with the promise of very bad weather to be unleashed.

      A good sign for your research into the bloke who dwells there.

      May the heavens also wreak their rage in one specific area of Kenmore in the next few hours, in order to incorporate some of those players into your analysis.

      Like others, I await your contributions with absolute expectation and then wonderment.

      You have shared with us an amazing gift and an entreprenurial spirit that has given us so much information and fodder for consideration.

      Perhaps it is very black at your place too, so you will leave your studies to another day?

      Very damn eerie in the western suburbs of Brisbane at the moment…..

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      • Maybe it’s taken me all this time to pluck up the courage to actually make an enquiry. I actually don’t know what will come up.
        Let’s hope I don’t get struck dumb by the storms that are brewing your way… yeah right – MM keep quiet? I don’t think that is a possibility. lol Keep safe all you Brissie babes and abbesses.

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        • When the feral cat “Mr Independence” comes inside and lies between two shaking cattle dogs, you know you have what they now call “a weather event.”

          For some reason, I made the assumption you too were in Brisbane, MM.

          As for me, I live way too close to Gerbil’s current abode for my liking!

          Then again, if he chose to escape, and found himself in my backyard, I could exercise my rights to protect myself.

          But he would probably be so beguiling that I would agree to hand over all my property and assets to him as I swooned in his charismatic presence.

          And then I would find the carving knife.

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  23. Ha ha, I just got back from work (yes, worked on Easter Sunday, sigh) and of course what do I do for downtime but jump on this blog. MMisst, surely you don’t think I meant you actually WROTE any of those documents???? Perish the thought! Was just pointing out that you’re being unfairly hammered when all you did was PROVIDE the documents. Hence the ‘shooting the messenger’ comment. Sorry about the boo boo about ‘another site’, I knew it was Makara, just didn’t think she/he’d be happy to be mentioned on this site. Love your work, appreciate your efforts in contributing to this site. Not much of a waffler myself, tend to be a bit of a straight shooter and often end up with both feet in my mouth. It takes a village. . . .

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    • Wow! and thanks MM.

      That hard work of yours makes for amazing reading.

      I recall Yoshi explaining that the witnesses at the commital were chosen by the defence in order to buffer their case, and couldn’t understand why Toni Mc “absolutely HEWN” would be on their list.

      It makes more sense now – are they going to hang her out to dry?

      I’m not overly fond of the lass, but crikey! These gerbil lovers are ruthless in support of their territorial rights…

      Can’t wait to see what you reap when you’ve entered the male bastion!

      I’m sure it won’t be pretty.

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    • Poor Olivia will have quite some time to determine whether she takes future guidance from her father, or Her Father.

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  24. Does anybody know who Jody M is from his ie Gerbil’s phone records – I saw an analysis of his records on another site and he seems to have texted her constantly and called her. Did she work for him? Was she a client or another one of his women? He seemed to text her all hours of the day and night including several times on Good Friday last year – so surely not an employee or client?

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      • Thanks MM – you are so on the ball and kind about getting back to people xox I hope we are not too irritating sometimes Cheers!

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      • Interesting, I see GBC managed to uphold the pose quite well – he was awarded the following by Century 21 about a year ago if I got the dates right here:

        CENTURY 21 HOME LOANS TOP OFFICE AWARD
        CENTURY 21 Westside, Taringa

        CENTURY 21 HOME LOANS TOP PRINCIPAL / SALESPERSON AWARD
        Gerard Baden-Clay, CENTURY 21 Westside, Taringa

        Here he is at the awards night by the look of it – http://smartbook.century21.com.au/pav/12891#/page217007

        I am a bit puzzled if he was doing so badly and was not very productive himself, how can he be getting these awards???

        Why is a ‘home loans’ something Century 21 has to celebrate? Don’t most people take out home loans – with a bank – not having anything to do with the estate agent?? Or does Century 21 give out home loans as banks do, and GBC was good at diverting this business to them??

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        • I reckon I’d be checking the accuracy of his home loan records too is thats what he was. Interesting, could be a whole new lot of interesting stuff come to the attention of the powers that be yet. I just wonder if he used his interesting accountancy expertise to achieve such heady records.

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          • if thats true his sales were that good how would he have been in debt

            Wayne,

            Your rude and disrespectful post before this one has been sent to Trash. Going on your history, this is your last warning, or you will be banned.

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          • Yes, looks rather different from the picture I got looking at his tax returns! Leading a double life personally, emotionally and also financially??? It looks so stressful to live like this…..Honesty and simplicity so much more appealing!

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            • Clearly “business” is not one of your strong points, Wayne. Maybe “stirring the pot” is.

              You can make all the sales you like, but if your expenditure is greater, you need to borrow from someone to stay afloat. And that my goofy friend is exactly what happened…and more! When the sales dried up, the expenses didn’t…so the slippery slide became more precipitous.

              It’s business 101. Maybe you and Hyphen man should enlist!

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  25. MountainMissst, that was quite a read, I went back over it about 5 times.. .. I dont know much about your speciality there, but I do understand the conclusions, and how they open up windows of perspective… I was particularly impressed with the Old Tone stuff.

    well. Naturally.. Old Tone has become a bit of a fixation with me. What that says about me, I hesitate to dwell on.

    Authoritarian… so plain, so apt. the very word I have been searching for to lay out on Tone for so damn long.. Madame Lash just didnt cover Tone from the start for me……. it implied having authority, freely given.

    But if ever a woman longed to be an authority, if ever a woman longed to have authority, it was Tone.. and how wide off the mark did she sail.. her longing for it, her need for it, her belief in it, her actual playing out as if she actually HAD any has been pitiful , pitiful , pitiful. .

    In all her statements, her pathetic emails to Bruce, her testimony in court, she comes across as a women who has never been rightly recognised as one who has authority.. she tries to exert it, she imagines sometimes she has it, she even portrayed herself as the authority on Allison at the police station., she tries to give Gerard the benefit of her authorised advice, on anything, his business, his divorce, his child custody, his residence, his business, his choice of staff,his partners in business.. even as to whom should go to a wretched seminar.. hers is the voice of authority bypassed.. always heard, never obeyed.

    it would be funny it if wasnt so pitiful..

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    • Yes one wonders how long he would have put up with her telling him how to run every aspect of his life. Not long I think. She would trust him less than Allison did, since she knows exactly what deceit he is capable of, so would have become even more clingy if they were an official item.

      I wonder if he did not know this, hence he has stalled leaving Allison for years, just used her because initially she was good at selling property, perhaps later she was convenient and available whenever he needed comfort. Or did he really want to commit to her ‘unconditionally’ as she puts it, for life??? Somehow I’m not so sure…..

      It will be interesting if one could hear his take of their relationship and the role her incessant nagging about him having to get rid of beautiful Allison played in the events of 19/20 April last year…..

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  26. poor Jody M was ‘with Gerard ‘ at the house he was ‘tidying up’ when he had his silly accident with the lightglobe, the ratchet, and the fixture.. hence, the cut on his hand. that Constable Ash noticed.

    He didnt tell Jody, Jody didnt see it, but Gerard likes it to be known that Jody was there with him.

    clumsy days for Gerard.. on the same day, he gets bit by a caterpillar, cuts his hand, carves his own face up with a blunt razor and his wife goes missing.

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    • This makes matters worse not better for him….if the cut was such that it would have bled which I suspect it was, i.e. it was not just a superficial scratch, then it is very unlikely if she was there that she would not have known about it….sounds it is more likely a nail (or a tooth?) dug into his flesh by someone fighting for her life….

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    • Thank you RIP – I had forgotten just how unbelievably pathetic and disingenuous he was in that TV interview.

      With so much more now out in the open, it makes it all the more galling to watch his and Olivia’s pretence in front of the cameras.

      Mind you, when I went to the bottom of the page as you suggested, and read:

      “are you gerard baden-clay?”

      with the next option of:

      “Yes, and I want to take control of my profile”

      my fingers got really twitchy and I had to wait for my brain to stop me from possibly committing an online crime.

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    • Hi Thinker no, I did not recognise her, actually I thought she was more slightly built from other photos I have seen. I never knew her in life. But now that you mentioned it yes it does look like it can be her. If so she does look happy. Perhaps because she joined the co again and was thinking her hubby was seriously working on their relationship. meanwhile…. I was wondering if the person he has his arm around on the pic was not perhaps one of the other ladies he pursued – JC? Perhaps someone who knew her can confirm. Allison was likely totally unaware of others beside TMcH, so would have thought nothing of this pose at the time….Everyone looks so happy…so hopefully it’s just all innocent fun…..

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    • Dear TheThinker. I actually felt sad for Allison when I saw her in the pic. I hate to seem like I am disagreeing with you as you could very well be correct but I see her as being in the duplicate role…. ‘I should be happy’, ‘nobody really knows my life’, ‘I want to be happy’, ‘I am by nature a happy person and I am at this moment happy, and I can be happy’…. But I wake up from this to realise that my nightmare is actually my life and when I get out of this frock at home, I will become that person that I am not, because that person is forced upon me. Wow. How did Allison get to be at some of these functions. Perhaps GM kept an eye on how often he allowed an appearance by his wife, to, you know, keep up appearances. Maybe Nigel kept statistics and decided when and where ‘the wife’ needed to be displayed.

      Remember ‘Keeping up Appearances’ the old British show with Mrs Bucket (or Mrs Bouquet). Gerard could have his own show except the genre would be far more sinister. Oh, I forgot momentarily that he is incarcerated..

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  27. Good evening. I do go on I know about the emotional stuff but today something happened that made me stop and think. I stopped and thought about why it is that we all find the response of Allison’s husband and his family, after she was killed, odd or abnormal. Not normal. No shock. No bewilderment. No grieving. No disbelief. No nothing. No anger. No questions. No presence.

    At a normal house in a normal suburb this afternoon, some kids arrived home after a camping weekend, to the sight of their beloved small, 11 year old dog, who had been killed by one of their own, their much larger dog. Horrific sight, horrific thoughts. The dogs were home for just one hour on their own as Mum and Dad had gone out for a bit. There are 5 adult kids in that household. All have partners. Some of them, plus their partners and other friends and their partners found this awful sight. Their harmless loved ageing dog killed by it’s mate. The killer dog couldn’t escape his crime as he was bloodied and stood by guiltily waiting to be discovered. Very disturbing for all. A burial was held, candles burnt and much grieving experienced.

    As I picked up my daughter and she talked me through the terrible situation as we drove home, we both cried for the dog and his family. We also thought of our own animals, one of which is the same breed as the deceased dog, and our hearts hurt for them all who were in pain, because you can’t help but imagine if it were your own animals in that situation. I am not sure what the fate will be of the larger dog, which had been taken on by the family and much loved, to help out others who were unable to care for it as it needed space which it’s old owners did’t have but these, his new owners did.

    It struck me as odd that our hearts would bleed for all involved and I have no doubt that the big dog, the killer dog, would himself, be feeling intense guilt for his actions. He was transparent and being an animal, couldn’t conceal the evidence that he was in fact the animal that had taken the life of his ‘mate’. It made me think of recent posts of animals that had been ‘blooded’ and whether there was any hope of rehabilitation. While the family buried their special friend, my daughter stayed with the bigger dog as he had been tied up and kept barking. She felt it was better that the family not have to listen to his noise in the background as they respectfully buried their old dog. She was not happy with the dog she was keeping quiet during the burial, but his future is one that the family will have to decide upon.

    The family and friends who openly showed their dismay, disbelieve, trauma, sadness etc were normal. Their reactions were for the loss of the life of an animal but it makes it no less real. Their dog had been murdered by another who they fed, sheltered, and loved.

    Yes, Gerard and his family are abnormal. I am quite comfortable in saying that but I do not like being judgemental but in this case, they have opened themselves up to public scrutiny.

    BTW, MM, I enjoyed reading your readings, writings and interpretations from the outer world (I am sorry if I might not be using the appropriate terminology for your skills), I admired your confidence in your business, and in being able to confidently write and share same. As you would know from my previous scuttling away from ‘confident’ others, including yourself, I don’t possess your confidence, but envy it. It is an interesting field that you work within. I thought about my own psychic, who is a generational one, and the differences of focus. I find it a little scary, as in how one can be scrutinised from elements that transcend space and time. I hope that I always stay on the straight and narrow so that I never have to be viewed as transparent. Of course if I did commit a crime, a heinous one, then of course I would understand this might occur. Do you ever work on positive readings, or just the bad eggs of the world? That in itself leads me to more questions but I won’t ask. :-) as I might scuttle away. Hence the reason I didn’t take up your offer of a ‘date’ when you provided a ‘hotmail’ address. I don’t like conflict. Especially with unknowns, and especially those with unknown powers. :-). Little Fish is bubbling away, hoping that the enigma who is Mountain Mist has a sense of humour as well as psychic powers.

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    • Such a sad story Little Fish, I can certainly understand how upset you must be feeling. I do feel for the family but I also feel for the larger dog. For some reason animal instinct has caused him to do this, unlike GBC (who prided himself as a mover and a shaker) who has lied, plotted, connived and cheated and despite all evidence, albeit circumstantial is still in denial.

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      • The dog stayed at the scene with blood on himself…… It appears that GBC removed himself from the scene and along with him as much incriminating evidence as possible even so far as instructing his dad to remove the hose and vacuum right under the noses of the police. I might not have things precisely right but I know a person just like him and I know exactly how they react, in fact the person that I know and GBC were known to each other. I am convinced more than ever that the saying “The love of money is the root of all evil” is very real. Its not the money, its the love and pursuit of it that is the problem. Some people will do anything (and in this case even murder) to get it. It overwhelmed GBC and made him do things that we cannot conceive. It took him to places where he felt special about himself and he expected respect and admiration for it. It made him feel that society actually owed it to him for all the good deeds he considered he had done. Well the result of demanding respect and admiration by threats and intimidation is just what we have now. It can never be any different because “the love of money is the root of all evil”. I would go so far as to say that when and if GBC ever sees the outside of the walls of Wacol again he will turn to religion because that seems to be the natural progression for these people. It ends up being just an extension of the same thing over again, a cover, only the person they are kidding is themselves. His family can only wish it never happened but it did and he is the product of their influence so in some ways they must answer also. Wouldn’t it be nice if GBC just stood there, blood on his hands admitting he had screwed up big time? Huh, wishful thinking. Imagine the people that would be there for him just like your daughter did the bigger dog? GBCs only hope is to come clean and accept his families attention whatever that might be because that is a consequence of taking things too far. As for the rest of those affected well he has absolutely no control over what anyone thinks so there is nothing he can do about it but he is sure trying. I could almost guarantee that GBC will be trying his hardest to keep TMcH on his side because he needs just one person to pleasure himself how he pleases, to manipulate and control. I wonder if she is strong enough to walk away NOW and leave him clean cold and exposed? TMcH if you a reading this forum, be strong, do what you must do for the victims and your own children and don’t be a fool. That man has was and is using you. There are plenty more genuine folks out there who are much more worthy your attention.

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        • Bit out of whack here but it is intriguing how a person’s psyche works if they ‘gallantly’ or obediently take the rap for another with silence. Difficult to comprehend but then again for those of us not trained in psychiatry, how can we expect to.

          Again as I travelled over that bridge tonight, I felt the same concerns, with respect to the planned memorial walk. It is a dangerous stretch of road for pedestrians and unless there is an alternative off-road entry, I would caution those considering paying their respects to await confirmation that there might be some organized vehicular traffic control. Otherwise I am afraid, it would be single file, and then a risk. In the 30 odd years I have travelled that road, I have never ever, in my short legged life encountered any pedestrian traffic.

          If there is any positive to be gleaned or gained from this sad business, it is that we might learn from it to develop a greater awareness of the evil that exists amongst us.

          I must say, at this point, I am in awe of, and appreciate the words and input of the wise posters who come to this site. May the force and justice be with you, but more importantly, may those with the real power be empowered and well enough equipped to see justice carried out.

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          • I think it could be as someone suggested yesterday. The plan was to make the event look like suicide, GBC stuffed up because he was the weakest link. Best next thing to do would be to wait for the trial where they no doubt believe GBC will not be found guilty and then move on. A 2 year hiccup in their lives then freedom for all.

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            • Yea, probably consider it worth the wait to get their hands on Allison’s insurance money and continue business as usual….may that NEVER happen!

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  28. P.S. thanks for century 21 info posted earlier. I had a quick squizz and I wondered whether Gerard had registered for the Los Vegas conference last month, for he and one of his Lovers. Bummer Gerard! Your plan didn’t work and instead you are doing a long conference elsewhere. I wonder whether he has had to learn to do a bit of housework like cleaning the facilities after, excuse me for this, but your shit, shower and shave. Karma. Lets hope it keeps on working.

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  29. Att: Mr. David Shoebridge Office: Legislative Council County: New South Wales Party, The Greens, in relation to your opposition to the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013‏
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    To: [email protected]
    Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
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    Attention: Mr DAVID SHOEBRIDGE, dear Sir,
    with all due respect; in relation to your opposition to the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013, please make a long appointment with Mr. & Mrs Dickie, mother & father of Allison Dickie (Baden-Clay), then please make a long appointment with Meagher & McKeon families, explain your position & LISTEN – REALLY LISTEN – to their responses; once that meeting is concluded, please make the same appointments with the Spiers, Rimmer, Glennon families, upon completion of explaining your opposition to the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013 & LISTENING, REALLY LISTENING to their responses, respectfully book the same appointment with the families of Stevens, Fream, Russell, again explain your “unexplainable” opposition to the bill and LISTEN – REALLY LISTEN to their responses.
    There are MANY more families you will need to make appointments with, your diary will be overflowing for a minimum of 24 months as you take your “unexplainable” opposition to families whose wife, mother, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population.
    More important than your explanation and support in opposition of the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013 I absolutely encourage you to start, by LISTENING, ENGAGE BY LISTENING and leave each appointment having absolutely LISTENED to these people.
    Before I complete my submission to you, with all due respect to your personal privacy, I’d like to ask if you have a wife, mother, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population?
    Upon acknowledging the answer/s to that question, reverse your position with any or all of the families referred to in the first paragraph, or any other position the person in your role having made an appointment with you, the member of a family: whose wife, mother, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population, has or have been raped and murdered? Forever gone from your life.
    Then listen as Mr X, Office: Legislative Council, County: New South Wales, Party: The Greens, opposing the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013 and reflect carefully how you would feel if your wife, mother, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population had been raped, murdered, both, more?
    Are YOU aware that according to Australian Census data 2010 – Across the states and territories for 30 June 2010, New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and the Australian Capital Territory all had lower numbers of males than females? Tasmania had the lowest sex ratio, with 97.4 males per 100 females. Western Australia and the Northern Territory had an excess of males compared with females. The Northern Territory had the highest sex ratio with 107.6 males per 100 females.
    Mr DAVID SHOEBRIDGE, with all due respect, in relation to your opposition to the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013, are you aware the amendments are being proposed BECAUSE the previous Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Act 2006 does NOT work?
    There are families of wives, mothers, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population that can attest to that.
    Yours sincerely,
    AV
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    cc: Christine Anne Milne, Australian Senator and leader of the parliamentary caucus of the Australian Greens.
    Members of Legislative Council,

    SUBJECT:
    Att: Mr. David Shoebridge Office: Legislative Council County: New South Wales Party, The Greens, in relation to your opposition to the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013
    ——————————————–
    Attention: Mr DAVID SHOEBRIDGE, dear Sir,
    with all due respect; in relation to your opposition to the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013, please make a long appointment with the Meagher & McKeon families, explain your position & LISTEN – REALLY LISTEN – to their responses; once that meeting is concluded, please make the same appointments with the Spiers, Rimmer, Glennon families, upon completion of explaining your opposition to the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013 & LISTENING, REALLY LISTENING to their responses, respectfully book the same appointment with the families of Stevens, Fream, Russell, again explain your “unexplainable” opposition to the bill and LISTEN – REALLY LISTEN to their responses.
    There are MANY more families you will need to make appointments with, your diary will be overflowing for a minimum of 24months as you take your “unexplainable” opposition to families whose wife, mother, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population.
    More important than your explanation and support in opposition of the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013 I absolutely encourage you to start, by LISTENING, ENGAGE BY LISTENING and leave each appointment having absolutely LISTENED to these people.
    Before I complete my submission to you, with all due respect to your personal privacy, I’d like to ask if you have a wife, mother, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population?
    Upon acknowledging the answer/s to that question, reverse your position with any or all of the families referred to in the first paragraph, or any other position the person in your role having made an appointment with you, the member of a family: whose wife, mother, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population, has or have been raped and murdered? Forever gone from your life.
    Listen to Mr X, Office: Legislative Council, County: New South Wales, Party: The Greens, opposing the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013 and reflect carefully how you would feel if your wife, mother, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population had been raped, murdered, both, more?
    Are YOU aware that according to Australian Census data 2010 – Across the states and territories for 30 June 2010, New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and the Australian Capital Territory all had lower numbers of males than females? Tasmania had the lowest sex ratio, with 97.4 males per 100 females. Western Australia and the Northern Territory had an excess of males compared with females. The Northern Territory had the highest sex ratio with 107.6 males per 100 females.
    Mr DAVID SHOEBRIDGE, with all due respect, in relation to your opposition to the expansion of the Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Amendment Bill 2013, are you aware the amendments are being proposed BECAUSE the previous Crimes (Serious Sex Offenders) Act 2006 does NOT work?
    There are families of wives, mothers, grandmother/s, daughter/s, sister/s, niece/s, female cousin/s, female friend/s, female work associate/s, known female member/s of the Australian population that can attest to that.

    Yours sincerely,
    Name withheld by aussiecriminals editors

    cc: Christine Anne Milne, Australian Senator and leader of the parliamentary caucus of the Australian Greens.
    Members of Legislative Council,
    Members of Legislative Assembly.

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    • Brilliant request of the Greens. Everyone has rights except humans!

      Victims of crime….pfft! They (the wacky Greens) are too busy worrying about the two toed sloth and the Indian Green stick mantis.

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  30. Dear Mountain Misst,

    Thank you for this interesting read. I make no apology for saying I don’t understand the first thing about your work. But interestingly there are points that you have made, or conclusions you have drawn, which I too agree with 100%. My conclusions are drawn from no more than intuition, or “gut instinct” drawn from life’s experiences.

    In regards to TMcH, Tones: “This woman is at risk of being made a scapegoat for the murder, in order to deflect blame from the accused.” (I drew that conclusion at the March Court proceedings. GBC turned his head away from her. OW didn’t collude with her. She is also a prosecution witness.)

    “We can suggest that her ego is the trigger for this event.” (I drew that conclusion after reading the Court transcripts, including the content and nature of the telephone conversation with her lover 19th April where she put the screws into her lover and applied the pressure big time.)

    “She has an inflated sense of authority.” (I drew this conclusion by noting that this woman seems to feel she has more importance than the lawfully wedded wife, both in the workplace and in private. And “her” lover should obey her whims.)

    “This woman is highly driven by fantasy.” (Conclusion drawn as above)

    “Take note of where in the list of witnesses at the trial of her lover, she takes the stand.” (I noted at the Court proceedings in March the witnesses appeared in order of their relativity of importance, Don’t know if that was a coincidence or not.)

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    • Yes is certainly appears that TMcH has everything to lose and nothing to gain from colluding with this family. She should be keeping it that way otherwise there will be more children that will pay for this crime. As painful as it is she needs to come to the conclusion and accept that any association whatsoever is not a good thing for her future or her well being. She is just one of many and not so special to him after all.

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      • Yeah…agreed. TMcH used powerful, emotive imagery on GBC that afteroon; her shock/horror at discovering that Allison was due to attend same conference: “Oh…I feel sick” followed by a barage of questions about Allison contrasted with her own attendance at same conference, etc. Almost seems like she believed that her influence & control over GBC, and her rights were greater than that of the lawful wife.

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  31. Ooops, Mountain Misst, I should add that although I don’t understand the first thing about your work, I certainly can appreciate it, and thank you for it. It is certainly very interesting.

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    • Agreed, I don’t understand it either but I believe it has merit and should be respected. So thanks also MM, your insights are valuable. Chapter 2 will be more interesting for sure.

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  32. Hi Guys Just a quick update to those that may be thinking about paying respects to Allison at Kholo Creek in a couple of weeks.
    Phoned my local member [Bruce Flegg] and said that chatter on the internet indicated that some folks might visit the bridge on or about April 20 also that I has a bit concerned about the neck high grass and what might be living in it, [Last thing we need is somebody stepping on a Taipan] Bruce contacted main roads who gave me a call and said that the budget for verge mowing had been slashed [Sorry !!!] but the bridge was a special case and have said it will be cut closer to the date so thats good it along with the rest of the road needs it.
    A second call from the lady at main roads asked how many people would be visiting the bridge, I said I had no idea she went on to say that a permit is required for rallies and demo’s becouse they needed to organise traffic control etc and that no fee is charged but she would look into it.
    If anyone wants to discuss it further the direct line with this lady and sorry I can not remember her name is 07 3066 1309.

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    • Could a local please drop a note in the letterbox of the organiser that he needs to get a permit – his name is Brian Mason and he lives at 670 Mount Road, Anstead. The phone number of the lady would be useful as well 07 3066 1309.

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    • Thanks brian and i wil most certainly be there – please stay online and let us know of progress locally – I live at Camp Hill so it;s a bit of a hike so I hope you can have us park somewhere that you know of. Cheers!

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    • Just an aside here… you know that bone that can be broken if someone is strangled? The one that wasn’t broken on Allison? I keep thinking about pressure point killing, e.g. pressing on the carotid artery. I do sincerely believe that both men will go down for this. Even if NBC did the one final act that ended in Allison’s death there is no doubt that GBC was totally there, a total accessory.

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      • GBC was there because the caterpillars and razor said so, along with the bushes from the yard. Both of these men should be made to speak but what bothers me is the time that NBC has been left alone to hide anything connected. The whole charade is just incredible. What must those women be thinking?

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    • Oh MY GOD! Mountain Misst – I really think you’ve got it worked out astrologically! If you think it through GBC has seriously injured her – poor Allison, and Bwanna finished her off. OMG! Explains the calls their silence lack of statements and presence att the beginning and lack of presence later – him there in the morning early the cars etc etc it really makes sense that it happened like that! I don’t know why this has upset me even more than I was already upset by this but I feel sick now! I am getting this image of him throttling her to death in a cold cruel hunting way- he wasn’t adverse to killing beautiful wildlife – crying now! Held her down and throttled her. I can literally see the image of it! OMG! She may have been in a coma when he did it or unconscious – he that is Bwanna was the organiser of her demise after what was a terrible domestic! G was enraged by his life and circumstance but Nig coldly and calculatedly did what he thought needed to be done. Feel ill bout this – it makes so much sense in this context. Arggh!

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    • Oh MM….I feel decidedly unwell.

      But thank you again for your efforts.

      There have been no vocal supporters of Nigel (to my recollection), even when there were a paltry few prepared to put their hands up in defence of Gerbillious.

      Perhaps that, in itself, speaks volumes.

      Subsequent to your revelations today, several posters have mentioned “the arm across the shoulders” as being quite ominous.

      I don’t believe I have seen this photograph/image/video – can anyone help me out by providing it, please?

      Thanks once more MM – you’ve clearly been sitting uncomfortably on knowledge (even a hand grenade) for some time now.

      I echo others’ sentiments about your courage in sharing, and fervently hope that the Crown is on your wavelength – if not before, at least now.

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    • WOW MM!!!

      This is explosive stuff……right from the beginning I have always wondered if this BWANA, financial advisor, marriage enhancer, and ex big game hunter who adorns his home with skulls of the victims of this cruel passtime , could not perhaps have been the mastermind of this gruesome plan to balance his son’s (and his own) books…..

      I could imagine NBC suggesting it as the solution to all GBC’s problems (maybe stronger than suggestion – remember Baden-Powel’s scout law says the scout master MUST always be obeyed, irrespective of how unpleasant the task or one’s personal view!). I could imagine him disposing of all recent wills of Allison’s (life insurance is kept up to date in spite of dire financial situation but only a 15 year old will could be produced – how ridiculous!), talking to GBC on the phone (the face time call…hmmm I still wonder about that one…), assisting with the disposal and clean-up. But with GBC obviously lying and bearing such vivid battle scars from a fight to the death, it never occurred to me that he may have stuffed up the killing and may have needed assistance with that – ie someone else may have finally silenced Allison….an awful thought but definitely a possibility…..it could explain the 2 sets of screams heard….she might have only been unconscious and not dead and while they started to drag her out to the car she may have come to and GBC may not have dealt with that very well so BWANA could have stepped in and finished the job….either way how terribly cruel an act was this!!!!!!!!! Incredibly sad that such a loving, kind person was so little valued, treated like a pice of garbage – it is an outrage!!!!!!!!!

      Once she was found her insurance had to be applied for pronto, andthen they rather went on a holiday than arrange her funeral – left that to her family…no searching, grieving, not a word on how wonderful Allison was. Seemingly abnormal behaviour. Body language of BC snr at her funeral odd, especially NBC. Even on their Century 21 website Allison who was a woman of substance and had lots of valuable experience was barely mentioned and they waxed lyrical about how wonderful THEY were – all waffle and posturing – no substance….

      He/they who can lie and kill without emotion – robbed a loving, kind human being whom the world was a better place for having had, of her life…..and her 3 young girls of their loving mom forever. How cold and hard and dark must hearts be to do this?

      This callous and evil act of greed and self-gratification is crying out for this evil to be stood up against, for justice to be served…..

      There are persons who must KNOW the whole ugly truth. Please do not let this charade continue for another year – stand up and speak up so there can be an end to the cruel and evil deception and healing can begin.

      P.S. Can someone please post a link to the round the shoulder hug having been discussed?

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  33. I have another vision of Allison hoping that NBC would help protect her from her deranged husband. But instead of helping Allison, he helps his son.
    “Almost all evil deeds and intents are begun with the thought that they can be hidden by deceit.”.
    For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

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    • Dear QCL – great quote. I think MM’s forensic astrology reading makes perfect sense. Maybe Allison was so badly injured by a fight with GBC that she wouldn’t have survived very well- I can’y believe I am writing these words as they are so macarbe.

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      • Hi everyone :) Have to admit, when OW said “The truth will come out one day” in her tv interview, this is the first scenario that entered my head. The tone in which she said it seemed angry & knowing, rather than a philsophical ‘one day…sigh)’. I also think she didn’t intend on saying this – it spilled out when emotions were running high. Wonder what else she may spill under pressure? Just my take on it.

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          • It’s me Lilli :) Thought I was clever in creating whale avatar pic via wordpress… Spy Hop already taken, entered next best – but it’s now appearing as my posting name. Hopefully right this time… here goes…

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        • Well what is she waiting for I wonder – for more $thousands to be spent in court proving what she already knows? Rather that than her speak the truth against the person/s she knows killed Allison? Is it family loyalty at the cost of all else? The whole saga is just getting muddier and muddier, the more dirty washing gets aired. If she KNOWS her brother was not the one to finally kill Allison that night, she needs to come clean. If not she will be an accomplice when (not if!) the truth comes out. We all must live with the consequence of our choices, the Baden-Clays are no exception. There will be no preferential treatment when all the chips are down.

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          • I agree RIP and the short answer is yes, quite possibly to the first part of your post. If it is her father who killed Allison in those final moments, would this fact not put OW in an extremely awkward situation, despite her ‘religious’ beliefs. We’ve said all along that this is not your run-of-the-mill family. OW and NBC have military backgrounds, then there’s the Scouts honour stuff that you have mentioned ‘obey your master without question’ etc… OW may have meant it when she said ‘I believe my brother is an innocent man (well, innocent up to a point) and the truth will be revealed’ (or words to that effect).

            There’s no doubt that the BC family lives by a rule of fear, of their parents, of the repercussions if they step out of line. After all, OW has been as I’ve said before like a lamb to the slaughter, the only member of the BC clan to show up at all court appearances. Why is that? Where are the senior BC’s as all of this plays out? ‘Muddy’ is the word. I have a strong gut feeling that NBC is willing to let his son rot in jail if that’s the way it pans out, for NBC to live out his natural life in freedom. All the while dictating the action and telling his son that he’ll ‘sort it out’, he knows how these things work, the judicial system will never convict GBC blah blah blah…

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      • Been thinking about a matter… Firstly the heavens may have revealed what happened. Wow MM You never fail to amaze me!
        My first thoughts were how many astrologers input would it take to make the courts take notice especially if they all came up with the same things.

        The next thoughts were how many traffic cameras along the routes to Kholo bridge have live cameras?

        The next thoughts were:

        The heavens may yet reveal what happened. By more conventional means. And stick in court.
        I understand there are satellites which can “see” all the time 24 /7. You and I, the general public may see only that small amount that we are allowed to see. Google earth maps for example.
        Wonder if the Military, or Government bodies or anybody else has access to live imaging all the time?
        And what can be seen at night? I understand the Military has imaging so powerful that you may see the time on a person’s wrist watch at any time. Daytime at any rate.
        Surely Police can access this information?

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  34. “For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.”
    As I have said before, the most diligent outspoken of church goers will reveal WHY they are so soon enough. The ones who are truly loving, honest, sincere, believing don’t preach to anyone, they just go about their lives silently making a real difference!!! Hope the lot of them are reading all these blogs. This is all so terrifyingly sad and yet most knew right from the outset how this may pan out, who the suspects were. Lets see if it is all proven right.

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    • All very sad. GBC was in the thick of it though, he didn’t get scratched up for nothing. And OW wasn’t lying through her teeth at that one public interview for nothing either. He fell over… yeah right. I want to see that whole family go down. More than one person can go down for murder, not necessarily the person who did the final act that expired someone’s life.

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  35. With Nige having in the past been in the life insurance game I wonder if he has “form” with helping the unthinkable happen with subsequent sharing of the payout … Would be interesting to know the circumstances of his leaving the industry and if any other suspicions have occurred in his past … MM you are a force …

    Wayne have you ever written a sober blog note? No problems either way at least you are expressing your view….

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    • I’ve always had the feeling that dumb and dumber thought they could outsmart the law and that they were untouchable because they were Badens (with friends in high places..)

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      • Perhaps that’s the deal. Isn’t there a record of NBC asking someone ‘in high places’ whether they could help his son? Just where that was, eludes me now. If that’s the case, could the deal be that GBC does his time easy (with favours from someone owed to NBC) in solitary at AGCC, just has to last the year he’s already sat in remand, and wait another year or so until the trial, to protect his father.

        Then, in the twisted BC world, GBC is let off and after a period of time, NBC gets away with Allison’s murder. I have to wonder though, if the QPS were to go after NBC, what motive would they provide in court? To protect his son? The possibility always exists that NBC is prepared to let his son take the rap, and get home Scott free. Where EBC fits with all of this, who knows? A psychologist could have a field day with this family.

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        • Well it works .. Fleggie has never loaned me a cell phone or offered for me to spend a few weeks in his spare unit.. WTF … Councillor de Witt has never visited my place to personally offer assistance when I have lost family members. .. These highly regarded folks need to be held to account as well I suggest . … At least an admission of poor judgement in this instance??? Or are they still exerting influence to assist???

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        • Hi Sad for Allison, one other thing I have wondered about in the past is whether there was perhaps some anonymous tip-off which led QPS to send a canooist down the Kholo river to find Allison……???

          After all, she was deliberately positioned well UNDER the bridge and above the high water mark, so she would not be seen easily from above (by a search helicopoter for example – I realise this is not a place where pedestrians tend to walk), or be washed away into the Brisbane river. Her phone was used to keep the search in the Brookfield area for as long as possible, and she was carefully placed in this out of the way area so she would remain hidden for at least a week or more, probably to destroy COD and DNA evidence – clearly her fingernails would have had a LOT under them!

          But she also had to be found as soon as the above 2 criteria had been met, so that her life insurance could be applied for asap (and boy was this done eagerly – allegedly even before she was identified!) and the debts due end June be paid.

          So one wonders, was she really found ‘per chance’ or was there a tip-off that led to this place – info sent to someone somewhere anonymously, to ensure she would be found….????

          Anyone else wondered about this????

          I also wonder if GBC (and accomplice?) maybe googled for info re DNA evidence and how long it takes to get destroyed too in the months before Allison died? Ditto with COD – maybe to find out which methods are the least obvious after a week or so…? Grizzly I know, but this murder appears to have been planned, so some thought and research must have gone into it by one or more persons. Evil!

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          • I agree RIP. One of the puzzles of this murder for me has always been WHO was the canoeist who found Allison’s body. A tip off via the BC’s, yes. As you say, her body had to be found, in order to claim (post haste) the life insurance. But not too soon, before poor Allison’s body was sufficiently decomposed to hide evidence and cause of death.

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            • No RB we don’t know any detail, just a hunch….how would one ensure she gets found after a suitable time….tip-off seems possible…..will see how it plays out.

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          • This mysterious canoeist has been discussed here on more than one occasion, but the dialogue muffled, so to speak, and I recall my questions answered with a kind of
            ‘ don’t ask too many questions in this area’ and something along the line of ‘ we must wait as all this will be revealed’, so I will watch with interest, how this attempt at trying to discover the circumstances flows or gets drowned.

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            • Hi little fish, I have wondered about a tip-off right from the start. At the time reports were very vague as to the canoeist’s ID and the circumstances that led to him going down there. I too came to the conclusion that the prosecution was not keen for these details to be uncovered.

              I still don’t think we will find out until the trial, and maybe not even then…I suppose only what’s necessary will be divulged. I was just wondering if others thought as I did, or whether my imagination was a tad over-reactive :o

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  36. I replied to Thinker some distance up the blog, but not sure it’s going to be read there, so will repost here. Maybe someone else can help clarify/confirm:

    Hello Thinker (April 1, 11:37pm), if you flip the page at http://smartbook.century21.com.au/pav/12891#/page217007 to the next slide you will see it says it is the 2012 awards night, hence it must have been taken not long before Allison’s death!

    I just can not figure out if the person he is standing next to GBC could possibly be one of the other ladies mentioned to have been associated with him, maybe JC …. the hair looks quite similar, less make-up in this pic so not sure…??? ( http://mooloolaba.aw.foxqa.com.au/listingDisplay.aspx?ListingID=58870 )

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    • And i will say again also I hope the authorities are checking GBC accountancy skills with regards to the allocation of home loans too. Given his penchant for sneaking around, lying, cheating, and all those nice things he could have cooked the books in his favour also just to get the home loans through and his clients might be none the wiser. I am certain that GBC and NBC will now have to account for something very serious, not sure what it might be and I’m no psychic but I just feel it in my gut. Something like financial fraud, murder and a myriad of variations of these. Just my gut.

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    • Jackie Crane was in Sydney by then. When TM flew down to meet him at a previous conference, there was a dinner where the 3 were together. JC was standing by but she lost out to TM. GG had her claws well in by then.
      Jackie and GBC got together behind TM’s back on the gold coast in 2012.

      Note in the first link – Allison in the silver dress – there’s a whopping great bruise on her leg…

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      • WOW MM, you are right there is a massive bruise on Allison’s leg!!
        It makes one wonder about early rumours that GBC was known to be a domestic violence perpetrator. I that is true and this is how she got the awful bruise on her leg, it is absolutely terrible.

        I really hope that counselor will testify – it is crucial – someone who knows what was said and done behind closed doors must speak up for Allison, who can no longer do so for herself.

        I wonder if there was not a serious DV history on file at QPS – hence their swift response to a woman barely an hour late from returning from her morning walk….

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  37. You are right MM. Allison in the silver dress, looking stunning and gorgeous, appears to be sporting a whopping great bruise on her thigh.
    Consistent with DV. Hmmm, Perpetrators of DV are usually cunning enough to leave their marks where they are not seen by the general public.

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    • This photo was taken in Feb 2012..2 months before Allison was murdered. On another site this photo was enlarged and the bruising on her thigh/knee was quiet nasty and looked very fresh. I would have to wonder if the hair style Allison has in this photo is the hairstyle the hairdressers stuffed up as it looks very ginger, Allison was given a free hairstyle the afternoon of her death as the previous style the hairdresser stuffed up the colour. I also see that Allison looks like she has been through the wringer in this photo (bruises,messy hair)..that’s not how Allison normally wore her hair, Allison normally took care of herself and looked very beautiful. Also if you take notice Allison is poking her knee out..I believe she was letting people see what DV she was putting up with by showing her wounds. I have a beautiful photo of Allison taken 6 weeks before this photo, her hair was blonde and styled beautifully, however Allison wasn’t wearing her wedding or engagement ring in the photo I have and that really intrigues me as when her body was found she had her wedding and engagement rings on.

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      • Hi Justdreaming, I wonder if it was possible that the closer it got to the end of the financial year, the ‘meaner’ GBC got with Allison, in an attempt to push her ‘over the edge’ – so much easier if he could induce her to really commit suicide… So maybe abuse intensified together with those dreadful ‘vent & grill’ sessions.

        Would be very telling to know what the kids referred to as ‘daddy was mean to Mummy’, perhaps what they were conditioned to accept as ‘normal’ behaviour’ was all but…

        Unfortunately for GBC Allison was made of strong stuff, she may have needed Zoloft to cope with his shenanigans, but she loved her daughters and her family and would never have left them willingly. No she would have fought literally tooth and nail to the last breath she was allowed to take. It appears her feistiness (a word?) was underestimated, and thus not planned for sufficiently…..tripped GBC up somewhat, looking like he’d been in a small war the next morning…..

        Perhaps in those final months physical abuse crept into the equation or intensified ….hence the massive bruise….one wonders why she did not wear a dress that would cover this? Was it a cry for help? Did anyone take any notice, ask or investigate, or was this red flag ignored just as her screams were on the night of 19/20 April last year? Or was she in a genuine accident that caused this? Family and friends should know. Perhaps we will find out in time.
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        • Hi RIP, yes that dear Lady sure fought tooth and nail and I so hope all her fighting and scratching wasn’t in vain..the murderer needs to spend LIFE in prison for what has been done to Allison and her family. My gut feeling is that it was premeditated and was to look like suicide, however Allison didn’t let that happen..she screamed, scratched and fought for her life…

          There are many witnesses yet to be heard in Court…so hopefully we WILL hear more in time.

          My thoughts and prayers go out to her 3 little girls even more so as time is nearing 12 months since Allison lost her life x

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  38. I’ve probably posted once or twice at the most over the months, but am a fulltime lurker. I can’t seem to find any info on Ol’tone, & just wondered if anyone could point me in the right direction. I’d like to know, specifically – is her alibi for that 2012 night of the 19th April watertight? Do we even KNOW what it is?) & – did she actually go on holiday with the Baden Clay clan (Nigelaine etc) later in the year? When & where to? & – what is she doing now?

    IMO she’s one very strange woman…VERY strange.

    BTW your comments are always informative, and sometimes downright funny. Thankyou all

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  39. GBC’s lawyers would want to make sure he can pay up because the cost of his defence will no doubt be a very hefty sum. We are dealing with the machinations of an extremely evil deed and it appears possibly a long premeditated one at that. If the prosecution present every witness (i’m not sure what they are entitled to do or if they would) it could be a very long drawn out trial for GBC and all the while he’ll be sleeping in his bunker at Wacol wishing it all away. NBC will go to ground hoping it will all go away, pretending it just didn’t even happen. They are a curious mob.

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  40. Also strange was that Allison found out about their ongoing affair through the school tuck-shop.
    The adulterers blamed the messenger, not themselves.

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    • I hadn’t read Ian Lightbody’s piece before tonight, and I find it a bit bizarre (just my opinion). No disrespect to him as I am sure my view is out of focus to the message intended. Firstly, the wording ‘Scouts Qld is saddened by the news that the body found beneath Kholo Creek Crossing may be that of missing mother of 3, ABC. Scouting supports the community affected by the findings and will continue to support the Police Investigation.’ …. Wouldn’t the organisation be saddened and shocked by the news of any ‘body’ being found….. The whole thing about local advice indicating that ‘the body couldn’t possibly have come from our land’. But it will be ‘business as usual’ and the organisation have so kindly extended an ‘invitation’ to police etc etc.

      Very odd and fits with a superior attitude displayed by the mute family. Oh and by the way, let us not allow our other sacred site, ie Allawah Road, be sullied, or known by assoçiation with such goings on as a callous killing, even though the suspect carries the name of our fearłess creator and leader….. You know, it is totally so way more than 10 Kim’s away ‘not in close proximately’ (sic). Pardon me. Such goings on don’t belong anywhere near our territory. These things happen to other people, with whom we just don’t associate.

      I too recall seeing Nigel Clay listed in the hierarchy, along with the then Commissioner of Police. I thought at the time that it was very interesting indeed, and wondered how the Commissioner might have viewed events surrounding Allison’s death. He would no doubt have been aquainted with the Clay chap. I just didnt want to let my imagination run too loose. I do of course feel a little sorry for the retired Commissioner as I recall reading press reports that he had/has some trouble in his own camp with a wayward or unwell son who has crossed the line in the sand. Wouldn’t that be difficult to deal with when one has the unero número position of controlling the law enforcers who might have had to enforce the rules on the Commissioner’s own family. I could of course have misread the issues of the time. Very sad anyway for people in the public eye, and positions of authority to see dysfunction close to home.

      Isn’t it bizarre that a family acting so strangely have these connections in high places. Maybe ònce you reach a certain level in political circles, credentials, honesty etc are questioned or examined. You know, sort or once you are in, you are in. But then I think of Bruce Flegg and a few others so maybe there is a code.

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      • Some time recently I questioned whether the BC’s could use a different sim card in their phones to hide their activities but I’ve been told since that this is not possible anymore but it was possible some years ago. Now even phones can be tracked separate from the sims and I’m sure any forensics would be further advanced than my simpleton and faulty knowledge on this subject.

        One has to ask ………………………. Are the BC’s part of a group who believe in the succession from Government, tax avoidance or have a severe dislike of authority??????????? Who have possibly used sim cards to make contact to set up clandestine meetings to discuss such matters and more ……….. possibly even in the Toowoomba Brisbane Victoria regions (places where the BC’s were known to be and have “friends”).

        If not, why do they need to hide their activities and more importantly ‘share’ phones with other people? This is not normal or honest activity but no doubt they would have a well versed explanation for any such activity if they are caught.

        Not saying these people are involved just asking if they could be doing something like this. The powers that be should investigate all their close contacts for this sort of activity because nothing they do seems to be above board even he way they grieve a lost family member. Was Allison and her family just too honest for their liking?

        The reason I bring this up is because these people have affected so many peoples lives they should never again be able to operate without scrutiny or exposure. This now involves a murder so no stone should be left unturned.

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        • Hi Witchetad,

          I thought this was still a possibility with the older type phones – not I-phones or the like.

          I don’t know what other people do with their older model phones, but in our household there are a few still floating around, a bit dated in looks but quite functional. And if I remember one could easily swap around sim cards if one wanted to with them.

          What would have stopped people to buy ‘pay as you go’ sim cards for the likes of these phones? Could the likes of these not have been used without being traceable? I thought this type of communication between parties may have taken place, so it will be interesting if it really is not possible for some technical reason.

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  41. about that school tuckshop stuff, QCL,

    That was the story Gerard told Ol’e Tone……that is the source of that story… … Toni runs with it, she tells Ben Bassingthwaite, who doesnt believe that yarn for one moment.. he says, it was at some function in Brookfield that someone told Allison.. Phillip Broom doesnt swallow the tuckshop story either., so no reason at all for anyone else to take it on board…

    One of the most frustrating parts of the Interview at the home on the morning Allison went missing, Gerard calls the police, is the bit where Snr Sargeant Narelle Curtis asks Gerard this very question..except Sargeant Curtis makes an error by thinking the missing wifes name is Kate, not Allison.. ths is because Gerard is dealing with phone calls from and to Kate Rankin… Allisons companion for the seminar..

    *Curtis*…. ‘How did, um ,Kate take, this is a stupid questoin because I know how I would have taken it, but how did she know, how did she find out about the affair?, Did you tell her?’…………

    * Gerard* …..’ Yes, I did.’….. um.’ ( meaning , Gerard has indeed told Kate Rankin about the affair, but that is not what Sgt Curtis is actually asking, and isnt it odd that Gerard tells anyone about this ridiculous thing? )

    *Curtis*…. .. ‘and how did she take, she wouldnt have taken that well?’…..

    *Gerard* ……’Allison, you mean??? or Kate ?? ‘

    *Curtis*……….’ sorry, Allison, yeah’..

    *Gerard*………’um…. Allison, um, Allison found out from a ( indistinct) friend um, a school, becasue one of my ex business partners had someone and they told people ( indistinct) the school (indistinct)….

    Gerard veering very sharply away there from ‘ school tuckshop ladies’…..

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    • Yes Miss Marples. The problem appears to have been caused…… “because one of his ex business partners had someone and they told people…”
      Just wondering who is to blame here for this BIG problem…
      Was it Allison because she found out?
      Was it Allison because she believed what she had been told?

      Was it the ex business partner?

      Was it, could it, was the the problem possibly caused by …. Gerard and Toni having an adulterous relationship?

      This problem has been going on for thousands of years, and caused bloodshed, murder and mayhem, not to mention pain and grief to so many.
      The Ten Commandments addresses this problem. And for very good reason.
      Should a BC be exempt from the repercussions of such a thing?
      I do not see either school tuck shops or ex business partners who tell of adultery mentioned in the Ten Commandments.

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        • Every day this mature-aged woman woke up and MADE A CHOICE to have an intimate relationship with Allison’s husband. Every day. For years. What a class act, the pair of them.

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          • Exactly – if anything should have made her feel SICK it is her immoral behaviour – not that she will have to sit in the same conference room as someone’s lawful wedded wife!

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            • Well said RIP, you’ve read my mind. She felt sick for the wrong reason, and that speaks volumes for her character.

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          • both scum !!! and then he (GBC) had the hide to turn up at Church every Sunday so as to profess to be a good standing Christian in the Brookfield Community !!!

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            • Because everything was a lie. People like him do such an injustice to the decent folk who live honestly and openly. Just turning up to church doesn’t give you an automatic pass to decency.

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              • so true !!! and GBC had no pass to decency, love or respect !!!……He only had a pass for lust, adultery, greed and money and the love of himself !!!

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                • Just think … if it was not for a seemingly insatiable greed for money, ALL of this immense heartache could have been avoided by a common procedure called a divorce!!!!! Much less painful and would have cost a pittance compared to a defense lawyer. And 3 little girls would still have had their precious mommy and probably would have been able to live in more harmonious circumstances. If only one could wind back the hands of time….

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    • Love your posts[ Miss Marple] some of these plonkers know nothing about this case its been on my doorstep since day ONE and its almost a year since this sad thing happened.

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    • Wasn’t there a post from a local in very early days supporting dv rumours? Can’t recall whether I read here or over on WS site. A ‘fall down the stairs’ resulting in a leg injury or similar?? It was a specific injury to a limb (arm or leg) that was referred to by a person who either served or encountered Allison at local shop. Does anyone remember something along these lines?

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          • Hi moonlight, yes I recall the DV rumours, but as I don’t live in the area any longer, can’t confirm or deny these. It certainly looks like one almighty bruise on Allison’s upper leg in the C21 Awards night photo, though how she came to come by that is anyone’s guess. If there was a history that QPS were aware of, this would have raised a red flag on the morning Kieron Ash attended when GBC reported Allison missing (coupled with a few war marks on GBC’s person. ;)

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  42. Job description for Army Intelligence Officer:

    Job Details

    Australian Defence Force Academy, Royal Military College Duntroon

    The role of the Australian Intelligence Corps is to provide the intelligence support required by commanders and staffs at all levels of command. No successful operation can be planned or conducted until sufficient information has been obtained on an adversary and the prevailing conditions have been analysed by intelligence staff.

    There are three levels of intelligence: strategic, operational and tactical. Strategic intelligence is concerned with military and economic capabilities of foreign nations. Operational intelligence is concerned with the potential military operations in a theatre level conflict whilst tactical intelligence is concerned with producing intelligence on an adversaries’ organisation, capabilities, tactics and intentions and the geography of the battlefield.

    Members of the Aust Int Corps are employed in a number of Corps speciality areas including: Combat Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Imagery Analysis and Linguists. Combat Intelligence is primarily concerned with the production of tactical intelligence. Counter-intelligence is primarily concerned with the protection of Army’s personnel, information and equipment from foreign interference and from espionage, sabotage and subversion. Imagery analysis is concerned with the identification, interpretation and analysis of data collected from photographs and other sensors. Linguists are employed to translate foreign language documents and provide interpreter services to deployed forces.

    http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/army/jobs/intelligencecorpsofficer/

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      • Gulp. It appears I’ve been under estimating madam’s capabilities! VERY interesting. Murky pond is becoming crystal clear. Thanks for that!

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      • Hi RIP,

        Very interesting.

        OW using all she has learnt while growing up and avoiding trouble and protecting GBC from the parents, and what she learnt within her career, thus far being utilised to try and change the general public’s opinion.

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        • Yes, how fortuitous for the BC clan to have a member who is a trained intelligence officer to take on the role of PR officer and try and ‘show solidarity and support’ and control the nature and flow of information…or disinformation….It seems GBC was not trusted to stick to his script…

          This sort of tactic did not work very well on this blog or Websleuths by the sound of it…. I doubt it will sway the general public, whose ability to smell a rat can not be underestimated.

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      • I have to admit Livvy has me bamboozled. I can’t figure out where her head is at. I had originally thought she was naive, praying it was all a horrible mistake, her bro being innocent and she clueless to all the ‘shenanigans’ BUT her behaviour throughout is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. An earlier post queried who Livvy should be seeking guidance from. . .her father or her Father. Good point. I ask again – ‘How well is your soul, Livvy?”.

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        • My feeling is OW is headed for a melt-down of major proportions before this goes to trial. Family versus faith. No military intelligence training will equip her for what she is facing now.

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          • In light of the honesty or lies that has poured forth from the mouths of any BC member to date, do you really think that because you SAY that you are committed to the truth, means just that?
            To date we have seen diversion tactics employed by this lot.
            The diversion tactic in that little OW interview: “My husband and I have lived our lives, committed to the truth.”
            means IMO:
            “my husband is a Baptist pastor, a Minister of a Christian Church.”
            Translated: My husband and I are beyond questioning in any salacious suggestion. I am above reproach.

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        • Yes RB, it is difficult to know where the complicity may have started and stopped…we will likely only find out int he trial, unless someone finds the strength to come clean and tell what they know.

          There same 4 possibilities have seemingly remained under suspicion from the start – NBC, EBC, OW and TMcH…..I doubt any of them are ‘clueless’ , I suspect they all know what happened. But who was actively involved that fateful night and who was really clueless then, remains to be seen.

          They may think if they can keep GBC to the story that he slept like a baby that night, his bad luck with lone caterpillars, blunt razors and screwdrivers, and OW keeps going on about his innocence and Allison’s depression, that he will get off and so too any accomplice/s…..if that is the case I hope Danny B has a few surprises in store for them.

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    • Gee whiz and I thought an intelligence officer meant that she had some… intelligence, that is. Judging by OW’s recent performances scurrying into and out of court rooms and very amateurish media performances ‘intelligence’ has been sadly lacking.
      Perhaps cunning and intelligence can be interchanged. Not something that I am familiar with. Maybe a member of the body-corporate could enlighten me.

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      • Dear Mountain Misst,

        As we have observed over time, OW tried to be a good actress. I can imagine from observing and reading up on NBC and the family’s history, their children, (OW and GBC) attempted to keep themselves safe from the wraith of their father, with OW protecting GBC, in the context of how they create spin to cover what they arrogantly do, now.

        As it obvious to us all, this family have no shame, absolutely no shame, and don’t hesitate to “Stick it up” other people, as often as opportunity avails itself. (NBC pashing incident, the other incident, the NBC’s walking down to the classroom to upset the Dickies).

        NBC, who imported animal heads to Australia when his family immigrated, he, who killed and hung these beautiful animal heads, horribly, and “proudly” outside his house, calling himself a “Conservationist”. NBC needs to take a leaf out of a true Conservationist’s book and SAVE ANIMALS, not darn well kill them and hang them, and then use spin and propaganda to again, talk himself up, trying to have people ignore the actual FACTS as they are doing with having OW represent them, as they hide behind her skirts and her acting. OW’s new intelligence, name, “Walton: Intelligence” (as if saying “Bond: James Bond”).

        The grandfather, with the Scouts, as we know, he wasn’t allowed back into England due to his behaviour. The modern family, who hyphenated their name to try and build themselves up with spin, ignored the actual facts, the pedophiliac behaviour in their grandfather’s blood, the blood that runs in their veins, they ignored that their Scout movement relative, who wasn’t allowed back into the U.K., was a disgusting paedophile. This is shameful, not something to be boasting about. Spin movement, the NBC spin movement.

        Arrogant family.

        NBC, this is the description of a Conservationist – you are the opposite – really – the spin, spin, spin, of this family:

        con·ser·va·tion
        1. the act of conserving; prevention of injury, decay, waste, or loss; preservation: conservation of wildlife; conservation of human rights.

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        • I too find those skulls distasteful and out of place. Makes the place look evil. I wonder if they are from NBC’s own shooting victims. Not sure what the pleasure is in killing animals, it is not for me. Does he enjoy having power over the life or death of another living creature? And why does he identify so strongly with whatever it represents to him that he wants to communicate it to the world? Is it a symbolic sign of his BWANA status? It is a strong visual statement of some sort. Any psychoanalysts amongst us?

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      • Mountain Misst (April 4, 2013 at 7:19 am)
        Hello MM & all,
        Don’t forget, her (OW) there was a cloud over her “exit” from the ARMY.
        Cheers,
        AV

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    • queenslandcountrylady (April 3, 2013 at 8:58 pm)
      Hello QCL,
      ‘Actions speak louder than words’ & / or as in this case, ‘lack of actions…. etc’, & / or a combination of both; anything to protect their false reputations.
      Cheers,
      AV

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  43. What is it with the real estate sector that everytime someone so much as passes wind…. there’s an awards night to commemorate it??!! Seems absolutely fitting that the clan dived head first into it, being the peacocks they are. The average person goes off to work & welcomes a pat on the back at annual christmas party, performance review (or from themselves at tax time). Real estate sales results must be easier to fudge than the likes of Amway. No diamond jackets for this clan – mustard all the way!

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    • They probably all come from the MLM industry and have been indoctrinated that constant positiive reinforcement by the protected few will save them when people actually tell them to p off when they try to sell them something. Were the BCs part of Amway? Now I’m curious.

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      • Witchetad, I can tell you from the phone records of Elaine Baden-Clay, that she made a call to Avon Products in Sydney and for those who need to check – 18th April 5:13pm Seq#32 (02) 9936 7555

        Ding, dong ding-a-ling, Avon calling…..

        I might have given a certain ‘C-cat’ elsewhere the names to go with the numbers, but I’m building my own case behind the scenes. We will eventually have lots of conversations to share…

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        • Pyramid selling would be right up their alley you would think – rising to the top on the backs of others, attending conferences in whatever-coloured-jacket, dripping in Nazi-style pieces of flair. Laughed when I read your comment MM about EBC’s phone call to Avon. EBC…. an underworld figure in the cutthroat game of mailorder soaps & lippies lol. Oooooh

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  44. For the attention of Gerard, Nigel, Olivia, Toni and quite possibly both The Pasher and The Pastor:

    Some pertinent words penned by Kenny Rogers.

    (My abject apologies for not having been previously aware of his intimate acquaintance with the elite Baden-Clay family).

    “I’ve made my life out of reading people’s faces
    And knowin’ what their cards were by the way they held their eyes
    So if you don’t mind me sayin’,
    I can see you’re out of aces.

    “And the night got deathly quiet
    And his face lost all expression.
    If you’re gonna play the game, boy
    Ya gotta learn to play it right.

    “You gotta know when to hold ‘em.
    Know when to fold ‘em,
    Know when to walk away
    And know when to run.

    “You never count your money
    When you’re sittin’ at the table
    There’ll be time enough for countin’
    When the dealin’s done.

    “Now ev’ry gambler knows that
    The secret to survivin’
    Is knowin’ what to throw away
    And knowin’ what to keep.

    “Cause ev’ry hand’s a winner
    And ev’ry hand’s a loser
    And the best thing you can hope for
    Is to die in your sleep.”

    Amen.

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  45. An interesting scientific phenomena:
    Right here, right on this site; despite race, creed, colour, politics, religion or social status; most have come to the same conclusions about a single matter.
    We are as One.
    Is that scientifically possible? Politically or religiously possible? Has this ever happened before?

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    • He’s listed as an elected member in the 100th Annual Report 2008/9 Scout Association of Australia Qld Branch Inc. Can’t see anything more current than that at the moment.

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      • Yes thanks RB I saw that too this week, but I seem to recollect in the beginning when I first googled scouts and his name he was listed in some important function, something like scout master or something of the sort, hence my alarm when I saw in the original Baden-Powel scout laws that a ‘scout master’ is always to be obeyed no matter how distasteful the instruction…. But it is possible that my memory is slipping…..

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    • Hey RIP, Just for starters:
      quote:
      linkedin
      Nigel Baden-Clay
      Independent Real Estate Professional
      Experience
      Retired at Retired
      December 2009 – Present (3 years 5 months)
      Education
      Rhodesia
      1956 – 1960
      unquote

      More to come,
      Cheers,
      AV

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  46. What say we direct our attention to the renaming of The Hyphenated Ones while we await justice?
    I realise it’s not as good as killing innocents in the name of Big Game Hunting by protagonist Nigel No-Friends from Skull Manor, but it just might help us vent our spleen.
    As a start, may I suggest Brutal-Clan?

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  47. Re phone records – they seem to show that between about 4:30 pm and 7pm on 20 April 2012 GBC and NBC were (presumably together) south of Brisbane – logged onto several antennae including Yatala .
    One wonders, was this to visit the Dickies or to see Mahoney in Southport? Other explanation perhaps?

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    • I see Mahoney’s number is 0408 123 999. This number is phoned from GBC’s phone for several minutes at a time on 20/4/12 on several occasions – at about 2pm, 2:30pm, 3pm, 4:30pm, 5pm and again 5:30pm. Then starts up again the next morning…..WOW! Clearly had a lot to discuss. How so if he knew nothing and did nothing but sleep from 10pm on 19/4 till 6am on 20/4? What’s so much to discuss???? Interesting….

      So he contacted Mahoney within 8 ours of supposedly finding Allison ‘missing’….an innocent heartbroken husband would be out there walking with the search teams through bush land searching…not this bloke, he is very busy covering his b—. The kids had to go to school so he could organise all this ‘stuff’ looking after numero uno – not fretting over the safety of his wife – no, fretting about how her ‘disappearance’ can affect HIM. But then he did know where she was, and clearly had other ‘important’ matters to attend to……

      Interestingly Nigel phones Mahoney as well on 20/4 at 3:23pm, amidst GBC’s many calls, and then also again the next morning. Both these blokes seem to be in this together right from the get go.

      Did they get an appointment at the drop of a hat to go and see Mahoney that afternoon late? Or was the drive elsewhere? One wonders who/what could have been so important on this fateful day…..no doubt the phone tracking system will be able to reveal all. WOW, it must be so interesting to be a detective on this sort of case and work tweeze apart the webs of deceit that people spin! makes me want to change my career! :o

      Mahoney can’t be stupid. He must know the truth. Looks as if defense is like playing poker. A lot of posturing and bluffing. “Mr Baden Clay is vehemently denying any involvement and is seeing forward to his trial.” Ditto for the latter – so are we!

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      • Interesting how this all pans out. I seem to remember that initially GBC contacted a ‘solicitor’ and only engaged a criminal lawyer when Allison’s body was found. Does anyone remember that? It appears not. The web, as you describe, is so intricate. Is Mahoney a BC acquaintance, or is this purely a professional relationship? Who knows where NBC and GBC drove. You’d never get the truth out of them. GPS tracking, yes, that would be interesting. Did they take a scenic detour on their trip to Mahoney to dispose of a phone?

        Mahoney would not be stupid, no. Let’s not forget that having GBC as his client is a huge cash cow, the fees to date would be huge, the fees for the trial itself even more massive. It’s not going to be a brief sojourn in the Supreme Court by any stretch of the imagination. Where the funds are coming from, no-one knows, but perhaps time will tell. Nonetheless, it must be coming from somewhere. Or are the fees yet another favour, I’ll scratch your back kind of deal…

        Everything surmised so far about the BC family smacks of favours, boys’ clubs, connections, knowing the ‘right’ people. When a barrister takes on a client bluff and bluster is the name of the game and the territory they move in. It’s all about winning, the truth doesn’t come into it.

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        • Yes SfA, it seems for justice to prevail good men must work very hard.

          Witchetad and SfA I do not believe the phone was disposed of down south – it was safely hidden somewhere in the Brookfield area, to keep transmitting there for as long as the battery would hold out and keep the search for Allison in that area as long as possible.

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    • Just read that, perhaps its in the heavens that GBC might follow suit. Wishful thinking perhaps but anything is possible and maybe he will see the light.

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      • Somehow I can’t see GBC ever pleading Guilty, It is not in his nature, and would shame the Great Fabricated Baden Clay Name, and impplicate his Parents and Sister.

        Despite the obvious flaws in his story, GBC will stick to it til the end.

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    • No groans from me Lilli. Slayed and Played.
      Allison was slain for money, sex and God only knows what else goes through that BC head..
      Yes they played the Police, the general public, the searchers, like violins. It was like a game. Well that’s what it appeared like to me.
      Lies to the Police, innuendos the general public were just a stupid lot, and red herrings or anything to keep the searchers away from the right area.

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      • Ha ha QCL, you gave me an idea …they’re a bit like an orchestra. I see NBC as the ‘Meistro’ directing operations. OW is like the cymbal – sporadically making a lot of noise. TMcH moans like a bagpipe over needing to be in #1 position in GBC’s life. EBC is perhaps something like a triangle, just quietly ticking in the background. I’m not sure what GBC is…maybe a violin, serenading and pulling the ladies’ heartstrings….????

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    • An edit option and a post number would be fabulous. Just note the number where you left of and catch up from there. I find responses to posts way back that I’ve missed but I really am grateful to all who contribute to making it happen so accept whatever is possible.

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      • Witchetad (April 5, 2013 at 2:11 am) Hello Witchetad, thank-you for your comments, I concur with everything you say. I was posting last night & some of my posts determinedly went places they were not directed. In the end I gave up.
        Cheers,
        AV:

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  48. “Reality Bites
    on April 3, 2013 at 6:01 pm said:
    Particularly strange because Allison was only late back from a ‘walk’, no need for Gerb to be comforted so early in the piece? …..”

    Responding to this previous post because its got too long up there.

    Not forgetting that the children were told something about mummy going for a walk and falling down a hole (or words to that effect). The entire charade stinks, it was not very well planned at all by this pair if they conceived, believed and achieved it. I’m sure those investigating this case would have picked all this up a long time ago but such juicy morsels register more slowly with us laymen folk.

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  49. It’s going to take many more days to get the whole conversation together, however I can share with you that the body-corporate ‘call to arms’ was well before noon on 20th and OW was in the conversation. GBC’s first call was to Jacobson Mahony Lawyers 07 55030128 was at 12.29pm 25’43” then after talking to NBC at 1.11pm GBC rang Robyn Ratcliffe, solicitor in Toowoomba (remember that’s their old stomping grounds); at 2pm GBC rings Darren Mahony mobile 0408321999 and we go from there…

    This would indicate that the ‘body-corporate’ didn’t have personal contact with Mahony or they would have bypassed the office number straight up.

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    • Very interesting indeed MM!! GUILT jumps out at one like a jack-in-the-box!

      If GBC was really innocent and had truly just slept like a baby from 10pm on 19/4 till 6am on 20/4, to discover his beloved wife missing, he would have been out there besides himself LOOKING FOR HER all day, day after day – anything to FIND her – preferable alive!!!!!!!

      What does he and the rest of his family do? They get rid of the kids by sending them off to school after telling them their mom had fallen down a hole (the one under the bridge) and won’t be back. Then they get onto the score of informing the Police of Allison’s ‘disappearance’ (unfortunately omit to share with them the vital information about which hole she had fallen down and that they knew she was not coming back), wait for the Police to come and take a statement so they can start ‘searching’ for her, try and remove a few last minute pieces of evidence (eg vacuum cleaner and hose, anything they forgot to take them away the previous night), and then just after midday they get straight down to phoning lawyers…..

      One does not even have to know anything else about his case, this behaviour in itself is soooo incriminating!!!!!!!!!! What a horrible conspiracy!!

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  50. Seven deadly sins Proverbs 6:16-19
    1 A proud look,
    2 A lying tongue,
    3 Hands that shed innocent blood,
    4 A heart that devises wicked plans,
    5 Feet that are swift in running to evil,
    6 A false witness who speaks lies,
    7 And one who sows discord among brethren.

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    • Dear QCL

      May Pastor Ian and Pastoress Olivia be reflecting upon these words, and adjusting their Christian consciences accordingly.

      For there is no hope of the occupants of Skull Manor ever acknowledging or seeing the error of their ways.

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  51. Posted by RIP Allison on 4th April: [quote]Both these blokes seem to be in this together right from the get go[unquote]. Interesting observation. Agreed, It is a consistent theme. IMO.

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  52. Yes, the bristles and hackles rose on reading ‘change over at the school office as per agreement’ above. Please fill me in and try not to tell me that the bad house/bad family members actually do have access to the girls ? I can see from afar that this would just be another ‘tack to windward’ trying to add to the whole innocent journey to the end. That bwanna must never sleep at night constantly covering all the deluded angles in his mind.

    Yes MM – Parts 1 and 2 were rivetting reading. Thanks so much.
    When I read ‘arm on the shoulder’ from Const. Ash’s report, I immediately converted that to ‘ just tell them exactly what I told you to say son and nothing more’ whilst gently patting him.

    Noted also from a quick view of ‘phone records’ that the gerb ‘phoned elaine a lot, usually before a call to patriach. Maybe this was the rule to ‘phone her first to ascertain mood of bwanna.

    Ding dong !! Avon calling – never again – bugger off !!

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  53. AV, earlier you posted:”Don’t forget, her (OW) there was a cloud over her “exit” from the ARMY.”
    I must have missed this. Sounds interesting…can you pls elaborate? :o

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    • Hello RIP,
      Way back at the beginning, I recollect reading an article online that her “discharge” was not “regular” – so from my recollection it may have been “medical discharge” or another type of “exit” rather than “person choose to leave and join “regular workforce” or retired / departed to “start a family”, “changed careers”…. etc, etc. I do recollect the wording “raised a flag” (for me) at the time.
      I do recall thinking of the circumstances of GBC’s departure from Flight Centre & wondering if any of these “people” departed work environments without some sort of associated “issue.”
      I’ll get out my shovel & see if I can find the exact article. I would prefer to do this than say “I read xxxx discharge” as I cannot exactly remember. Whatever I find I will update via this site as soon as I find it…
      I do so wish I’d started and maintained a “scrap book” at the beginning of this devastating alleged murder.
      Cheers, AV

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        • Thanks QCL – I do appreciate you doing the digging for me.
          RIP – this is the information I referred to & our wonderful QCL has found the facts. Isn’t she a gem?!
          Cheers,
          AV

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          • And:
            Invalided out.
            “To send somebody away or home for good, especially from the armed forces, because of long-term illness or severe injury. • was invalided out of the army”.

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            • Very interesting indeed….thanks AV & QCL! OW does not look like an ‘invalid’ to me….what sort of illnesses will qualify one to be ‘invalided out’ of the army??

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            • Does being ‘invalided out’ of the army mean she will get some sort of ‘invalid’ pension for the rest of her life….?

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              • Hello RIP Allison (April 7, 2013 at 10:59 pm) – was one of the questions I had on my list and why I felt the exit from companies by these “people” may always have something asociated to “benefit them (ref Clay exit from Flight Centre). I ahve a submission in for documents that may shed a more illuminating light. Will post as soon as the docs come through.
                Cheers,
                AV

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                • Furthermore she (OW) is now listed as Olivia Walton – Independent Internet Professional. Well we know from her documented public displays she is anything but independent. As for the rest (IP) who would “really” know? There is SO much baden-clay misinformation purporting to (according to them) be the “truth.”

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          • RIP, rip, wood chip, turn ‘em into paper…
            Canoeist, and your imagination – Quite frankly, dear Watson, I don’t think our imaginations are equipped to conceive of such evil deeds as those inflicted upon the fair lady, Allison. Therefore, I say fertilize your imagination and see what you can produce as nothing will be of surprise nor out of bounds with respect to the capacity of the killer/killers. Dear Olivia, the truth which desperately needs to be revealed, is desired by all. Is there a truth sirum (sp) available?

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  54. Clarification of the name change for the BC’s.

    NBC changed his name back to Baden-Powell that was his mother’, Betty’s maiden name of (only) Clay, as we know.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Clay

    Betty (1917–2004), who married Gervas Charles Robert Clay in 1936 and had a daughter: Gillian, and three sons: Robin, Nigel and Crispin.

    Betty’s siblings:

    Arthur Robert Peter (Peter), later 2nd Baron Baden-Powell (1913–1962). He married Carine Crause-Boardman in 1936, and had three children: Robert Crause, later 3rd Baron Baden-Powell; David Michael (Michael), current heir to the titles, and Wendy.

    Heather Grace (1915–1986), who married John King and had two children: Michael, who died in the sinking of SS Heraklion, and Timothy;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baden-Powell,_1st_Baron_Baden-Powell

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    • Is it not amazing that Betty herself never felt a need to use her Baden-Powell maiden name herself in order to ‘be someone’ (she just used Clay), but NBC did – he must not have managed to earn enough respect or whatever he was after on his own merit.Sad.

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  55. Here we go, proof of why GBC has so many contacts. We did suspect Freemasonry being the link and contact, early in the piece:

    David Michael Baden-Powell (born 11 December 1940) (NBC’s nephew through his late brother Arthur Robert Peter (Peter), later 2nd Baron Baden-Powell (1913–1962)) is the heir presumptive to the Barony of Baden-Powell and the Baronetcy of Bentley. As the grandson of Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell, the founder of Scouting, Baden-Powell is also an active member of the movement.

    Freemasonry

    David Michael Baden-Powell (nephew) was Master of the Baden-Powell Freemason lodge (no 488, Victoria), the first to be named after his grandfather, in 1930, who donated the Volume of Sacred Law in 1931. The lodge was founded by Scouters and has close links to Scouting. He remains an active member.[2][10][11]

    In June 2007, within the Centenary year of Scouting, Baden-Powell addressed Freemasons and Scouts, and non-Masonic Scouters, at meetings of Pioneer Lodge in the County of Derbyshire and Walesby Forest Lodge in the County of Nottinghamshire (both in United Grand Lodge of England, and also both lodge members of the Kindred Lodges Association).[12]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baden-Powell

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    • If they counted on their Free mason or other ‘connections’ to get away with murder, I sincerely hope Danny B will make absolutely sure this does not happen. NO ONE should be above the law, least of all people with no morals and integrity, who think committing murder is OK for convenience and financial gain. Awful.

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        • WOW Ambidextrous…..I must have grown up under a rock – I had no idea what ‘Job’s daughters’ were! Well I guess if both families have links with masons, then the playing field is leveled…???

          This is quite interesting to me, because I don’t know what the free masons stand for but this sounds like there are religious undertones. Yet one person I knew many years ago who definitely did belong to the free masons, was an atheist….so I can’t quite reconcile these factors in my mind….

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  56. “Interesting” history of Baden-Powell:

    Personal beliefs

    Tim Jeal, who wrote the biography Baden-Powell, argued that Baden-Powell’s distrust of communism led to his implicit support, through naïveté, of fascism. In 1939 Baden-Powell noted in his diary: “Lay up all day. Read Mein Kampf. A wonderful book, with good ideas on education, health, propaganda, organisation etc. – and ideals which Hitler does not practise himself.”[7]:550 Baden-Powell admired Benito Mussolini early in the Italian fascist leader’s career.

    Some very early Scouting “Thanks” badges had a swastika symbol on them.[45] According to biographer Michael Rosenthal, Baden-Powell used the swastika because he was a Nazi sympathiser. Jeal, however, argues that Baden-Powell was ignorant of the symbol’s growing association with Nazism and that he used the symbol for its centuries-old meaning of “good luck” in India. Also, Baden-Powell was named by the Nazis in “The Black Book of people to be arrested during the conquest of Great Britain. Scouting was regarded as a dangerous spy organisation by the Nazis.[46] Finally, when Nazi use of the swastika became well-known, the Scouts stopped using it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baden-Powell,_1st_Baron_Baden-Powell

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  57. Baden-Powell was keen on amateur theatricals, from Charterhouse public school where among other roles he played female operatic roles. In the army he made a speciality of female roles and would often make his own dresses. His stage speciality was what he called his skirt dance.

    Sexuality

    Early discussion of Baden-Powell’s sexuality focused on his relationship with his close friend Kenneth McLaren.[48]:217–218[49]:48 Tim Jeal’s later biography discusses the relationship and finds that there is no conclusive evidence that this friendship was physical.[7]:82 Jeal then examines Baden-Powell’s views on women, his appreciation of the male form, his military relationships, and his marriage, concluding that Baden-Powell might have been a repressed homosexual.[7]:103 Jeal’s conclusion is shared by some biographers and disputed by others, but is not yet examined in any detail by other scholars.[50

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baden-Powell,_1st_Baron_Baden-Powell

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    • I am a bit slow and I am sure you all came to this conclusion many moons ago, but it has just dawned on me that back in the Good Lord’s day, sorry, I mean the Bad Lord’s day (Bad-Pow-Pow), pedaphilia would not have been exposed/recognized as we know it today and how devious must Lord Bad-Pow-Pow have been to build a society for same right under the nose of society, who may have been none the wiser, except for the poor bastards who became victims and brainwashed into secrecy, not to reveal and go through life ‘business as usual’…. AND THEN FOR THE BAD LORD TO BE EXALTED AND WASHED WITH ACCOLADES TO CARRY THROUGH HISTORY.

      Perhaps this has given me a new perspective on the organization. I have always been on alert where there is segregation of the sexes….. It is interesting to note where most sexual abuse takes place within institutions where segregation of the sexes occurs.

      Again, these are just the opinions of a very little fish in a very large ocean.

      Have a mighty fine day all ye wonderful folk who come to this meeting place, at your convenience, to check in and in a sense, pay your respects to a deceased mother, who unfortunately got caught in the web if deviancy that seems not to have diminished or become extinct from this blood-line of evil folk.

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  58. This article certainly isn’t written without emotion. We don’t know of the validity, of course:

    After the murder-rape, Queen Victoria refused to allow Baden-Powell back into Britain.

    http://www.greghallett.com/pdf/Stalins%20British%20Training,%20Web,%20low%20res,%2017.7.08/STALIN'S%20BRITISH%20TRAINING-%20C4-%20Elevated%20Paedophiles.pdf

    Baden-Powell (22 Feb. 1857–8 Jan. 1941) joined the army in 1876 (21). Despite doing badly at school he came second in the army exams, bypassed the officer training, soon became an Honorary Colonel in India and eventually became a Major-General at 43. In 1896, Baden-Powell was returning from the Ashanti expedition on West Africa’s Gold Coast (later Ghana) with the Ashanti Star (1895–96) under his belt. He located two 16-year-old Irish soldiers,
    accused them of cowardice, tied their hands behind their backs, told everyone he was going to interrogate them, cleared the carriage, sodomised the two bound 16-year-old Irish soldiers, then shot them both in the back of the head, dead. Robert Baden-Powell was 39.

    At first Robert Baden-Powell was awarded the Matabele Campaign Medal (1896–97) but was then banished from England. He clawed his way back into society, was promoted to the highest-ranking secular position in England, then elevated to Sir in 1909, Baronet in 1922, Baron in 1929 and then Lord the same year.

    Robert Baden-Powell was a flamboyantly gay sodomising double murderer and persona
    non grata in England until Queen Victoria died in 1901.

    Baden-Powell was exiled from 1896 to 1903 (in South Africa and India with Kitchener) and returned to England as the Inspector General of Cavalry. He received 16 medals (although he rarely fought), started the Boy Scouts in 1908, was knighted in 1909, started Girl Guides in 1910 (with his sister Agnes) and was then asked to retire from the army by King Edward VII.

    Baden-Powell (55) then married the psychiatrically challenged Olave St Claire Soames (23) in 1912. He then became the commerically influential Master of the Mercer’s Company in 1913 (which now gifts £38 million annually), started Wolf Cubs in 1916, the Scoutmaster
    course in 1919, acclaimed himself as Chief Scout (for boys) in 1920 and was elevated with five titles, becoming Knight Commander of the Bath (1909), Knight Commander of the Victorian Order (1909), Baronet Baden-Powell (1921), Lord Baden- Powell of Gilwell (1929) and 1st Baron Baden-Powell (1929).

    There was an investigation into Baden- Powell’s double murder-rape and this
    was reported back to Queen Victoria and Kitchener (1850–1916). Luckily for Baden-
    Powell, Kitchener, seven years his senior, was also a murderous paedophile, so
    Kitchener put the necessary cover in place for Baden-Powell’s future.

    Continues:

    http://www.greghallett.com/pdf/Stalins%20British%20Training,%20Web,%20low%20res,%2017.7.08/STALIN'S%20BRITISH%20TRAINING-%20C4-%20Elevated%20Paedophiles.pdf

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    • Hello Moonlight

      Thank you for all this information, disturbing as it is.

      Clearly, the author had an agenda heavy with vengeance.

      So that should be taken well into account.

      However, there are some startling similarities (once you sift through the emotion of the report) with the modus operandi of The Man Who Wanted The Hyphenated Name.

      Most chilling, in fact.

      Oh, by the way Wayne, why don’t you become a good Samaritan and take some treats over to the residents at Arthur Gorrie?

      I’m pretty sure your largesse would be warmly welcomed.

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  59. I’ve copied and pasted what you previously said below, here, Little Fish, so poignant and in my opinion, directly on the mark. Thank you so much for pointing these facts out.

    I would like to add that paedophilia is becoming increasingly known for what it is, and where it is, and after all these decades, it is about time, and frightening, really, that it has been swept under the carpet, and continues to be so as people are frightened of their own lives being ruined as there are so many people in high places involved.

    In fact, this site was being attacked at one stage.

    One thing I didn’t like about Scouts, from what I was advised by a reliable child involved, is that it wasn’t wholesome, not at all, it was a free for all party when they went away. The children weren’t going away in the context the parents sent their children, with they being led by example by leaders who were there to do so, what did occur was that in some cases, the leaders partnered up, leaving the children to go wild.

    Little Fish quoted: I hadn’t read Ian Lightbody’s piece before tonight, and I find it a bit bizarre (just my opinion). No disrespect to him as I am sure my view is out of focus to the message intended. Firstly, the wording ‘Scouts Qld is saddened by the news that the body found beneath Kholo Creek Crossing may be that of missing mother of 3, ABC. Scouting supports the community affected by the findings and will continue to support the Police Investigation.’ …. Wouldn’t the organisation be saddened and shocked by the news of any ‘body’ being found….. The whole thing about local advice indicating that ‘the body couldn’t possibly have come from our land’. But it will be ‘business as usual’ and the organisation have so kindly extended an ‘invitation’ to police etc etc.

    Very odd and fits with a superior attitude displayed by the mute family. Oh and by the way, let us not allow our other sacred site, ie Allawah Road, be sullied, or known by assoçiation with such goings on as a callous killing, even though the suspect carries the name of our fearłess creator and leader….. You know, it is totally so way more than 10 Kim’s away ‘not in close proximately’ (sic). Pardon me. Such goings on don’t belong anywhere near our territory. These things happen to other people, with whom we just don’t associate.

    I too recall seeing Nigel Clay listed in the hierarchy, along with the then Commissioner of Police. I thought at the time that it was very interesting indeed, and wondered how the Commissioner might have viewed events surrounding Allison’s death. He would no doubt have been aquainted with the Clay chap. I just didnt want to let my imagination run too loose. I do of course feel a little sorry for the retired Commissioner as I recall reading press reports that he had/has some trouble in his own camp with a wayward or unwell son who has crossed the line in the sand. Wouldn’t that be difficult to deal with when one has the unero número position of controlling the law enforcers who might have had to enforce the rules on the Commissioner’s own family. I could of course have misread the issues of the time. Very sad anyway for people in the public eye, and positions of authority to see dysfunction close to home.

    Isn’t it bizarre that a family acting so strangely have these connections in high places. Maybe ònce you reach a certain level in political circles, credentials, honesty etc are questioned or examined. You know, sort or once you are in, you are in. But then I think of Bruce Flegg and a few others so maybe there is a code. Unquote.

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    • PLEASE NOTE IN MY COMMENTS BELOW (from a previous post), there is a small typo which makes a BIG DIFFERENCE TO CONTEXT:
      4th last word ‘are’, needs to be substituted with AREN’T!!!!!

      Lets hope in this very sad, callous bizarre situation surrounding Allison’s death, NO small errors are made in prosecuting that could lead to a BIG mistake ie justice not being done.

      ‘Isn’t it bizarre that a family acting so strangely have these connections in high places. Maybe ònce you reach a certain level in political circles, credentials, honesty etc *are* questioned or examined.’

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  60. Thankyou Moonlight for the Baden Powell histories. Interesting. Before or after this BC murder investigation is over, I would like to see the entire Baden Powell story investigated, and revised, and history rewritten. So many people worldwide apparently duped by a criminal who successfully circumvented the Law. Then made himself a hero.

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    • Dear Queenslandcountrylady,

      Good morning, and yes, it is very sad how people, with connections, can get away with what they get away with.

      This is why sites such as these, that cannot be controlled, are so necessary. We have such good people here, too.

      Hugs and you are welcome.

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    • Yes thanks very much Moonlight for the info, and QCL I agree with you – time is right for TRUTH to be known – both in terms of Allison’s murder and this family history.

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    • RB That list of famous scouts is quite interesting. Not all, but some of these “famous” scouts have a fair bit to answer for in my opinion.
      Your can leave Bear Grylls and a (very) few others out of that remark.

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  61. I am relieved Gerbs contacts in high places are taking so long to start supporting his vigorous campaign to clear his name. After 10 months in the pen he might just be starting to wonder when his distinguished influential buddies are going to become motivated … If dead eyed sis is the only one prepared to speak in his defence then the wonder may soon turn to a new realisation …. I got caught murdering my wife and I am going to cop my just deserts….

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    • Is he perhaps getting preferential treatment in prison…??? Is he kept away from other prisoners in a way different from the usual? Is he getting the same food etc? (he looked rather very well fed in court recently…)

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      • Yes maybe so RIP, but 10 months with no conquests .. (Well no female conquests) … To feed his ego .. No one to cheer him on … Comrades who wish to mess up his pretty face … No one to impress or who is impressed by a hyphenated name and pretentions of being a business tycoon… Unable to send the coffee back if its cold… Unable to contact anyone freely , go anywhere freely, make choices freely … Gerb will be feeling it … Nige? Yep still enjoying the good life but a bit of a smell about him in the elite social circles . The images of Gerb reminded me of one of our fat cats … Lazes around all day licking itself and snoozing but runs like mad when the biscuits come out and pushes in to get the biggest share and nicest bowl to eat from … Gerb may be well suited to prison life ….

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  62. After seeing 3 examples of Gerb vigorously defending his murder charge .. 2 failed bail applications and a committal which is proceeding to trial one could be forgiven in thinking the phrase “vigorously defending the murder charge” could be replaced with “humorously defending the murder charge” ….

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    • I was about to write Good Evening to y’all but realised it has to be Good Morning!

      I wonder whether Gerard’s brother will be called to appear during the court case as I recall his name mentioned somewhere with respect to a Skype call…. Something about needing to speak with him urgently etc. I wish I was a fly on the wall.

      I don’t need to be convinced anymore about people being born bad or without a conscience… I recently heard about a murder which took place 5 years ago (from a sibling of the murdered man), which I didn’t recall/wasn’t aware of or simply found it too shocking at the time and shied away from knowing the details.
      After seeing the pain the sibling felt, I did a search and was horrified to read of the actions of the murderer and his defilement of the corpse etc. It is/was repulsive and I wondered how the family of the murdered man coped with the revelations.
      What I find most strange is that there was a 3rd person in the house at the time of the murder who the court was told ‘was not involved in the murder’. The victim was stabbed 41 times……..??????? :-((((((((
      The 3rd person wasn’t involved, and yet, he went in to see the killer jump on the body and continue to stab the victim with a machete. They stayed in the house that night and drove away the next day, in the victim’s car, to buy heroine….
      WTF….. It is incomprehensible.

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    • He was in good spirits at the committal. No doubt he was enjoying his first day out in almost a year but also happy that his expensive legal team was going to smash the prosecution evidence to bits. Not to mention all the positive build-up OW was giving him. Doesn’t matter who did the final act, he was right there in the thick of it and in the post-murder cover-up. Daddy should have been in there right next to him. Maybe if he is found guilty and sentenced, daddy might man up and confess.

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    • Yea slinking away from everyone’s gaze as far away from view as possible in a plastic box….clear example of someone with a vigorous defense!

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  63. Oh Lordy, Lordy QCL

    What magic you have uncovered here by delving into the sacrosanct world of the Baden-Powells..Clays, Bwanas etc

    In the Land of the Hyphenated, we have reference to:

    Edward (James) born 5.2.68 (player in a rock band that supported Prince at Wembley in ’93)

    Matthew (Toby) born 7.1.69 described as “a new age traveller”

    Then there is the reference to three kiddies being adopted by what I think is supposed to be their uncle (Kairo born 3/3/89, Umi born 22/6/90 and Wazoo born 11/1/94)

    So there are at least some family members who perhaps run away in order to avoid entrenched military conduct by dubious parents.

    Doesn’t Gerbil have a brother who has made himself very scarce in stark comparison to Sister Olivia’s flirtation with her 15 minutes (and growing) of fame?

    It seems to me that the information you have shared (thank you) points to a family where some play “the game,” and the others run a million miles….

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    • Perhaps relations between Adam and his brother aren’t too good. The fact that the parents paid GBC’s loan back to the brother indicate that the brother may have been asking for the loan to be repaid. His absence over the past year is another clue.

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  64. Hi Mountain Misst, looking forward to your interpretation of the telephone conversations that were had on 20/4/2012 at/near ground zero! This sounds particularly interesting :” the ‘call to arms’ was well before noon on 20th and OW was in the conversation.”

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    • Hi RIP – been called away. I’ll get back to the body-corporate conversation. It continues to bubble in the cauldron.

      Freemasonry is not a religion – sort of a spin off from the guild system – started in the 16th century as a secret society but that is just part of the elitist game. We can’t compare what they did then with our lives today or it all seems ridiculous. All very tied up with the founding fathers of the American constitution, the dollar bill and money… Christians and Jews make up most of the membership, with the exclusion of Roman Catholics usually. It’s the usual religious divide.

      The Roman catholic church sees it as a threat to their authority and so much of the conspiracy theory has come from them. You can read up on it at wiki – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_Freemasonry_within_Christianity

      Freemasonry in the modern world – at least in our corner – goes hand-in-glove with sending your kids to private schools – a sort of hand up to a successful future – elitism. But then so is lions or rotary or scouts or guides…

      Have researched a number of belief systems in my academic life, so am privy to some of their workings. I’m not a person who is interested in the drama of conspiracy theories, so I haven’t bought into the conversation here. I am not critical of those who do, I just have different interests.

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      • Yes, one can’t make a generalisation about:
        ‘Freemasonry in the modern world – at least in our corner – goes hand-in-glove with sending your kids to private schools – a sort of hand up to a successful future – elitism’….. as quoted by MM.
        Personally, I can attest to that not being the case in my corner but then again, I am just an Arthur Dunger and not all of the secret handshakers are cut from the same mould. I have first hand experience and evidence of same. :-)
        Oh, and really in this day and age, I wouldn’t consider a private education as elitism. Just saying.

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  65. Test – sorry guys I just want to send a test post – my previous one which I thought I posted at the end of the blog ended up higher up, above the posts re the aussie entertainer saga.

    Yoshi if this one does the same and does not sit below Caro’s post “Agree. Great little ditties, cheerful and simple.” then there’s something not quite right about the order of postings…??? is it possible to fix this? Maybe delete the entertainer related posts if they have something to do with it…???

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    • Not sure where our posts are ending up right now. Gremlins in the engine room.
      Bria1967 Do you have an update on the walk 20th April?
      Brilliant concept in my opinion.
      PS Don’t be offended by different personalities here. As mentioned a couple of days ago, posters here are probably from all sides of politics, religion and social status, but we are united in one matter: Justice for Allison Baden Clay.

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      • By Golly Gosh, these posts are all over the shop like a dog’s breakfast!

        I am writing to respond to a comment made by Dear Queensland Country Lady, regarding the purpose of this eclectic group meeting here, and that it is justice for Allison Baden-Clay nee Dickie. Now if this comment was to post directly beneath DQCL’s comment, I could have just typed ‘HEAR, HEAR’ and it would have made sense however as it could end up at the back of the black stump, I have given my little lead in explanation……..

        I had to google ‘Hear Hear’ to check whether it should have actually been ‘Here Here’ or ‘Hear Hear’, but decided on ‘Hear Hear’, he he.

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      • Bria1967 – I concur with QCL, you and your posts are valuable and welcome.
        The walk 20th April 2013 is a super idea. Wish I was in that location to participate.
        Stay with us.

        Cheers,
        AV

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        • And somehow my post ended up under Dear Little Fish, Little Fish (April 8, 2013 at 7:50 pm)……. go figure….?
          But given that it has, “here, here” Little Fish!
          Cheers,
          AV

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    • bri1967 what is happening with the candelight meet for Allison on the morning of the 20th April? If 14k walk is too much, then what about a candelight meet at Kholo Bridge? Just an alternative suggestion for consideration. Could you plea