Special Treatment involved for an Accused Killer: GBC enlists Defense Team allegedly using family contacts on Grants Committee – Part 11


Dear Allison
Dear Allison – Imagine how her children feel.

Should Gerard Baden-Clay, accused wife killer, be given special treatment?

Gerard Baden Clay allegedly has family working for Legal Aid Qld, according to searches in ThePeerage.com which links families.  Gerard Baden-Clay, through a relative who allegedly works for the Grants Committee of Legal Aid, has enlisted one of Brisbane’s most high-profile criminal defense teams to represent him at his upcoming murder trial.

http://thepeerage.com/p6368.htm

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http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/publications/Reports/annual-report/annual-report-archives/2009-10/Documents/LAQ-annual-report-2009-10-part-4.pdf (Please refer to Grants’ Committee – page 20).

Grants staff members Amy McClelland, Leanne Lester,
Brett Newsome, Erin Ames, Rachael Broadhurst, John Cuthbert,
Aditya Reddy, Kirsty Poljak, Daniel Coates, Emma Bennet,
and Alex Baden-Powell.

GBC will be represented by solicitor Peter Shields and barrister Michael Byrne QC as he fights the murder charge in the Supreme Court.

Peter Shields michael byrne cropped

Mr Shields                                        Michael Byrne QC

Mr Shields, a former police officer, is one of few accredited criminal specialist solicitors in Queensland.

Did Gerard Baden-Clay’s lawyers discontinue to represent Baden-Clay to enable family contacts, through Legal Aid’s Grant System, giving Gerard Baden-Clay, an accused wife killer, free representation, while using our Tax Dollars?

Should GBC be receiving special treatment?

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(Source:  http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/publications/Reports/annual-report/annual-report-archives/annual-report-2010-11/our-systems-and-processes/PublishingImages/grants_2010_mHR_fmt.png)

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347 thoughts on “Special Treatment involved for an Accused Killer: GBC enlists Defense Team allegedly using family contacts on Grants Committee – Part 11”

  1. Post from Just Dreaming:

    I’m back on the subject of Alex(ander) Peter B-P, I am writing this to try and help us all as to weather Alex B-P photographed with Lara is the same Alex in the BC’s Peerage. I don’t wish to upset anyone with what I have researched, however we all want to know the truth.
    As one of our lovely ‘bloggers ‘gave us a link regarding B-P de Aquino and I did read it with an open mind ,however I was a little bamboozled as Roberto B-P de Aquino photos on the net seemed to show him as….shall I say….a little dark in colour. Something didn’t seem to add up to me as the Alex photographed with Lara looked very white in colour so I decided to do a bit more research.

    Roberto B-P de Aquino had two sons, both born in Paris and as quoted on here by our lovely ‘blogger’ is no relation at all to the B-C’s and as quoted Roberto did adopt the name of B-P out of respect for the chief scout and then dropped the ‘de Aquino’ at the end of his name. I seem to think Roberto’s real surname was just plain ole ‘de Aquino’…that’s just my personal opinion. However Alex is no relation to the Brazilian Roberto B-P.

    I did some research on Alex(ander) Peter B-P….there is only ONE Alex / Alexander B-P in the whole of Australia and that is the Alex from ‘the B-C Peerage. Alex lives in Brisbane and came from Vic, Alex studied Árt’( painting?? music?? ) at Melbourne uni. Lara also came from Vic….a little bit to coincidental to me that they both came from Vic so I did further research.

    Alex P B-P’s family live in Vic except for Alex Peter who is married to Lara Allie B-P and both live at the same address. I don’t wish to disclose their address, so I will just say they live in a lovely location of Brisbane. Alex Peter B-P is the same Alex who was photographed with Lara Allie B-P ( they are husband and wife and live at the same address ) and is also the same Alex photographed with Legal Aid.

    Anyone who has done their family history will know that there are sites open to the public which if you know someones name you can then find their address. I myself don’t agree with this certain site being open to the public, however it is totally legal and out there. Another site for anyone doing their family tree is ‘Ryersons Index’ that shows if a person you are looking for is deceased.

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    1. So, there is only one Alex/Alexander Peter Baden-Powell living in Australia and he is the same one listed in the Peerage record. He is married to Lara and lives in Brisbane. Thank you JD for that clarification.

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  2. Sorry, I’m not real good at putting it all into words..it sounds a little mumble..jumble LOL

    The point I am trying to make is that it is Alex PETER B-P who lives at the same address and is married to Lara ALLIE B-P….

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      1. I like that word ‘Hon’ 🙂

        Thank you to the little earth angels who keep this site going with new threads to avoid a tangled mess, and I am appreciative of the information shared about the A B-P.

        It would seem from information provided, that our government officials are not unlike the Baden-Clay family, in taking a superior and condescending attitude towards PLU’s (people like us ie society in general). Very scary to think when the two are combined, they really do believe they are a law unto themselves. Me thinks this has to be rectified.

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    1. Thank you for that very good clarification, JD.
      I believe this Alex (ander) Peter B-P is Brisbane based, originally from Melbourne, Victoria, where his brother and father still live.
      I believe his father David, was born 1940 in Sinoia, Rhodesia, and emigrated 1965.
      Alex (ander) Peter B-P was born in Melbourne 25 Jun 1973.

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      1. Yes QCL, he has his 40th Birthday this time next week 🙂
        It showed on the ‘Powell’ family tree ( written by Robin Clay) that Alex studied Arts at Melbourne. Looking at Alex”s fb page, I would think that the Arts he studied may be music as he has many bands listed. MOO

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  3. Hmmm, a family member being on the grants committee appears to smack of conflict of interest.
    Is it a done deal that unlike is the case with the general public, taxpayer funding of GBC’s chosen defense team has actually been approved by this grants committee that includes family member Alexander BP? Are the BC’s a law unto themselves? Why is it not all over the press, so people can be aware of what’s going on and voice discontent with such a decision if they wish? Surely it is noteworthy to the public if their tax is going to fund such a defense…??

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    1. RIP, there’s a lot of sites etc where the information isn’t available for commercial use…commercial use meaning you can’t use the information to gain money, so that would mean the Media can’t publish certain things from certain sites without permission as they would be gaining money from their newspapers. That’s my understanding of it…

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      1. Me too. Also, I think the shenanigans of politics has become par for the course, and hasn’t taken a great priority BUT combine the Two, and it should be. Where does one start, as an individual, to stand up and be counted against it? Is it like knocking down the Great Wall?

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  4. I think it’s a big thank you to the ‘blogger’ who originally put us onto Alex working for Legal Aid ( can’t remember who it was as it was back a few pages )….after all it is ÓUR’ money….yes the tax payers money funding the expensive Legal team for GBC…this money could be used for schools, hospitals and many other good causes !!!!

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    1. Googled a few name combos… a Spy Hop fluke (pardon the whale pun). I’m still waiting to hear though if Alex B-P is still employed by Legal Aid and was hoping the Courier Mail may have probed this since (or if word traveled, the man himself might drop by). My main concern is throwing this guy’s name out there and for all I know he may have been employed as a temp for 3mths & moved on….. or not!!

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      1. Hi Spy Hop, I was thinking the same thing, he may not work there anymore…..there’s no linkedin profile on him, I have to wonder whether it was deleted from the net as I noticed he doesn’t have a profile pic on his fb anymore…there was a pic on his fb when GBC’s fb was still active. Maybe trying to hide his ID…..

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  5. [PDF]
    Descendants of William Polle or Powle

    (Link doesn’t work properly)
    The title is
    Descendants of William Polle or Powle. Compiled by Harold Daw. Sep. 2009
    This is a PDF document.

    Robert’s brother, Alexander Peter, if David Robert is deceased. 26 ii. DAVID MICHAEL BADEN-POWELL, b. December 11, 1940, Rhodesia, m. JOAN PHILLIPS …

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  6. I am trying to add a link, but it doesn’t appear to work properly. Perhaps a copy and paste into your search might help.
    If you can read all the above PDF document, it is noticeable that on the death of certain people, their descendants, or one descendant may be entitled inherit a title.
    Is this the reason why GBC and Co must be innocent at all costs?
    How many other BP or BC family members would be affected by a “guilty of murder” charge?

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    1. Limited knowledge, but Nigel missed out on the title HON. preceeding his name, yet his first cousin has HON preceeding his name. Got to do with rules of male lineage methinks.Nige’s mum was the descendant and she was female. It was her brother who inherited the HON.

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  7. Famous British Paedophiles – Baden-Powell – Glgarden.org

    http://www.glgarden.org/ocg/archive1/baden.html‎

    Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell of Gilwell ….

    ‘a sort of Pete – (h’m that’s odd; there is no feminine for Peter) a sort of girl Peter Pan, the boy who couldn’t grow up’

    This Robert Stephenson Smythe Baden-Powell appears to be the family “dud.”
    But by methods foul or fair, he appears to elbowed his way into fame and history.

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    1. QCL, I seem to think the BC’s may have had a lot of links removed from the net. When the links from the searches that were done through asics etc were done and put on AC …a few weeks later when you pressed on the link it would say it has been removed.

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    2. Limited again, but historically being awarded a ‘Baron’ nighthood or title could be for deeds foul or fair which gave benefit to Royalty or the Kingdom. IMO corruption was rife then as was ‘political influence’. Elbowing your way into the ranks of Nobility bestowed certain benefits to one and one’s descendants – historically that is.

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  8. “Hon (David) Michael Baden-Powell, heir presumptive to the Barony of Baden-Powell”
    There would a fair bit at stake IMO.
    (Should a guilty verdict occur)

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  9. Robert Stephenson Smith POWELL born 30th April 1902 legally changed his surname by adding BADEN…it was changed by ‘royal license’
    His father ‘s name was …Christian name: BADEN …surname: POWELL
    What is it with this family that they all want BADEN in their name 🙂

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    1. Yes, a LOT of sir name changes in this family. Odd. Does one get better mileage by adding an ounce of respectability belonging to others?
      Coat tails; Now why is that word hanging off my mind right now?

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        1. IMHO we have a Justice system. It has done its job so far. GBC has been committed toTrial for the murder of ABC. Faintly noble ancestry will have little to do with what happened on 19th April 2012 IMHO. He will be tried on the evidence admitted to the Court. Our Justice system will continue to do its job.

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          1. One can only but hope!

            Last night I saw a snippet of a statement read by a victim’s mother, whose son’s was life was tragically cut short by another, on his first night out in the city (Sydney), at the age of 18. His killer:
            ‘Kieran Loveridge, 19, had been charged with murder but pleaded guilty to the lesser charge on Tuesday.

            He did not express emotion and only said “Yes ma’am” to Magistrate Harriet Grahame when asked to confirm his plea in Central Local Court in Sydney.

            In exchange, the NSW Department of Public Prosecutions withdrew the more serious charge of murder as part of a plea deal.

            Loveridge will also be given a significant discount to his sentence for pleading before a costly trial.

            With time already spent in custody, he is expected to serve a fraction of the time he would if convicted of murder.

            Family members including his mother, father and sister sat in the gallery and clutched each others’ arms during Tuesday’s brief proceedings.

            Outside the courthouse, Mr Kelly’s mother took aim at the proceedings.

            “We’re here today for our son Thomas, who cannot speak for himself and will never speak again,” Kathy Kelly said in a prepared statement to reporters.

            “Although we are here to represent him, we have had no rights or say at all in the procedures that have brought us here, or in the decision that has been made here today.”

            She also said although they chose to turn off their son’s life support two days after the incident, his life had ended when he was assaulted.

            “That decision was made for us on July 7 at 10.07 pm when our beautiful, defenceless son Thomas was king hit with such force and violent intent,” she said.

            “When his head hit the pavement, the very essence of what made him Thomas was gone then and there.”

            Ms Kelly also took aim at people who commit violent acts with total disregard for the consequences.

            She said this behaviour will continue and violent offenders will “remorselessly reoffend over and over again”.

            “We will never forget our darling Thomas,” she said.

            Personally, I wish that I had your committed faith Caro. I am still of the opinion that the ‘law’ and the ‘justice system’ is detached from the real issues at hand.

            One has to question the value of ‘justice’. Power?

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          2. I think so too Caro…been reading all this noble stuff…and I’m thinking they were perhaps not that honourable…wasn’t it…(cripes, only going from vague memory here guys), but wasn’t the scout founder booted out of Britain by queen Vic? could be wrong…I think all they have to lose is their own delusion of self importance… I’m trusting in our justice system on this one.

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  10. Don’t pounce on me folks, but I’m actually starting to ponder whether GBC gaining access to top silk under Legal Aid may be a blessing in disguise (ducks for cover). At least we can ‘assume’ all i’s will be dotted & t’s crossed… he (GBC) can’t come back later on and challenge some obscure legal loophole that a lesser experienced lawyer bungled his defense… yada yada yada. The expression “Do it once and do it right the first time around” has me thinking. It may be going to cost us tax payers an arm & leg, but imagine the cost of re-trialling (is that a word?) and it dragging on for years. Just thoughts…

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    1. Spy Hop, In my heart I really do hope that Alex doesn’t work for LA anymore. I think it is really sad if he has been dragged into this horrible mess..him and his wife seem like a nice couple..I was reading a comment his wife wrote on A’s brothers fb and she seems like a lovely caring lady.

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    2. Please don’t feel that way, Spy Hop 😀

      I think we now have a lovely group here. In this context, I was reflecting how things were on the group last year, we called a spade a spade at the time while being attacked, those people would have been GBC friends or similar people as he.

      Wave! lol

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    3. I don’t have the same confidence Spy Hop, however I would like to! I am just wondering why you feel things will be more secure whilst done under a government department?
      They seem to have made more than a mighty cock-up of things of late.

      I really do wish that I had the same faith as some of you and hope that all predictions become reality.

      Poor Mr and Mrs Dickie and their family. A never-ending pain will be in their hearts.

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    4. Spy Hop, my apologies for not responding earlier to your post re being pounced upon… not in the mating sense of course… :-). I understand your speaking with trepidation and it is sad that one has to feel that way, on a site where we are all (majority anyway) here for the same reason. It is free, voluntary, and anonymous without a hierarchy.

      It is interesting because I have toughened up over the course of sharing this blog with you all. So I should take the opportunity to thank those who have provided opportunities to assist in my personal growth :-). Unless I am deluded or a mushroom, we are all on the same footing:-).

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  11. Obviously I’ve a lot of catching up to do, but will say this, based on the header at the top of this page: Freemasons, politicians, family members with legal aid connections, media turning a blind eye and anyone else involved in granting special privileges to GBC on MY tax dollar (and yours) better beware

    From the beginning I suspected strings would be pulled by descendants of Guild of Mercers members (which morphed into the reviled Freemasonry of today). I was roundly kicked for suggesting it. Yet now, down the track, we’re compelled to consider suggestions of ‘inner circle’ mendacity

    Can-Do better make sure all his T’s are crossed and I’s dotted. Similarly all the other vermin posing as our elected representatives who live on our dollar. And particularly the Great North Road gang who seem to believe they’re still living in White Man God territory

    A hyphenated surname ! What a disgusting joke. An appropriated hyphenated surname exceeds joke and stretches the world ‘ridiculous’ to its limits. Who the feck do these slimeballs believe themselves to be ! Colonial Britain was disgraced by these scum, yet they still live in a fantasy world which is deserving of Greg Hallet’s description of ‘ psychiatrically challenged’

    Be on notice, all you mental Freemasons with your little-boys’ covens and your foul secrets and activities. Be on damn notice. You’re reviled worldwide. You’ve been implicated in orchestrated paedophilia, murder, theft, lies and destruction of all that’s decent in this world. You are already on thin ice. The word about you has been out for years and internet has exposed you beyond saving

    Be on notice also the Great White God fraternity of the Great North Road. Get into the here and now while you still can. You have nowhere to run. It’s over for you. We in Australia have never had to suffer under your disgusting rule and we don’t intend to begin. Get yourselves a cave and seal yourselves into it. Venture into our world and you will be destroyed utterly

    And be warned ANY Australian politician who believes he can — whilst living and eating from OUR dollar — subvert the course of justice

    You old guys (or younger guys with outdated beliefs) better get updated and fast. Internet will tear your vile little world to shreds and see you cast before the courts for corruption and treason

    Go on. Try to grease the wheels for GBC and see what happens to you. Go on. Fecking try ! Try it, on the eve of a federal election. See what your boys’ club antics will do to you and to your party. Go on. Try it. And get ready to live on Centrelink payments for the rest of your worthless lives. Because you don’t have brains. You don’t even have cunning. All you have is an idiotic belief that your little boys’ club can achieve miracles against hundreds of committed online sleuths who have the power to farking DESTROY you !

    As to all and any family members of the GBC clan who imagines they can slide beneath the radar —————- how you feeling NOW, huh ? You’re running to hide your identity already. Well there will be NOWHERE to run when you’re exposed to the public which pays you

    So wake up and quit. And same goes for any QC or barrister who imagines they can still play the dirty little boys’ club games. Quit while you can and offer full disclosure. Or you’ll lose everything you have or ever hope to have

    Dirty little boys. Dirty little boys. Go wash your fecking hands !

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    1. … WOW! Refreshing. Thank you. … and all the little girls who have adopted the ways of the ‘dirty little boys club mentality’ to get ahead in ‘the boys club’ world … be warned.

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    2. Hi Burleigh Beach,

      I’d hate you to feel left bad about anything. I’d like to say that a lot of us, me included, have mentioned “Old Boys’ Clubs” and Freemasons from the beginning, and I don’t recall anyone ever being upset about it. It is a given that this would be the case.

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  12. Was browsing online the other night involving paedophiles in UK and Europe and their links, etc. Came across a link to another site so clicked in. Astounding site filled the screen. An Aussie site, no less. Never heard of it. Suffice to say, I spent the next hour or so reading the posts. Two posters captured my attention in particular: one named TerraAustralis and another ID of ‘Jim’ I think (also ‘Jim’ emerged as female). Seem to be well-informed, both of them

    Here’s the page which was linked from the site I was on initially: http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/business/media-2/jill-meagher-and-alan-jones/

    By scrolling down, you’ll find TerraAustralis’ comment of 2 October 2012 at 8.52 a.m, in which the poster mentions a ‘Toorak Predator’ who was stalking the 5 year old daughter of a ‘senior Labor politician’ — who in later posts by the same ID is revealed to be Kim Beasley:

    Quote: ‘ …. the judge said to him, in effect;

    “WELL, YOU’RE OUR BOY!” – and the judge then ordered the police to supply the predator with the new address of one of his five year old targets (who had been placed in hiding because of the predator’s stalking). ‘ End Quote

    The same ID, ‘TerraAustralis’ claims to have been a whistle-blower before being driven out of Australia via a concerted campaign of threat and violence including poisoning and gun-shots. The ID in question has a lot to reveal/expose, including what he claims was a stich-up of the WA solicitor tried for his wife’s murder (this topic has been discussed here in the past). Caution finally prompted ‘TerraAustralis’ to say he would have to ‘turn off the tap’ of information on the site because his computer was under attack. Takes a bit of scrolling back and forth to find his comments on the site, but what he and ‘Jim’ reveal is horrifying. We knew it, but we didn’t appreciate the extent of corruption, murder and worse emanating from judges, politicians, police, etc. in this country. And most of them are members of that grubby little boys’ club, Freemasonry

    Can-Do is discussed, also, and non too flatteringly

    Personally, I do not believe the five thousand donation to Can-Do’s campaign is what earned GBC and his miserable mob such loving care by the system we own and fund. No, I believe it’s membership of the grubby boys’ club in which he believes he can put faith regardless of evidence brought against him. And let’s remember the Qld chief of police and his ‘not enough resources’ etc. claims re: investigation into GBC early in the case. Revealed as BS by the courageous head of forensics who went public to say resources were NOT strained

    Anyone here who has any family members who are members of the Freemasons should cease taking pride in it and take a damn good look at what those freaks get up to beneath the shield of sausage sizzles

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    1. Geez, it reads like a Robert Ludlum conspiracy thriller.
      ‘Unbelievable, yet believable.”
      How can average Joe compete with the murky world of the powerful and corrupt?
      We should be expressing our outrage at EVERY murder, every rape, every abduction. . . no matter who they are.

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  13. I have only just found recent comments here since the thread was changed, so am contributing late. (Told you I was hopeless with technology!)

    Re both the Legal Aid nepotism issue and the Flegg/Baden-Clay phone in question.

    Some posters have queried whether we should have been more proactive, and have rightly commented on a lack of response from the State Government and the media.

    I just wanted to let you know that I (as QCL will testify) rather foolishly identified myself by posting questions on Campbell Newman’s facebook page (should I mention my naivety with technology again?)

    Alison Sandy at The Courier has also been approached by phone, The Courier Mail via email, and Steve Austin at ABC Radio 612 regarding both of these perplexing (and very disturbing situations).

    The media silence is deafening.

    I hear this afternoon that the Attorney-General (one J. Bjelke-Blieje – sorry that was naughty) has forbidden anyone in Government to talk about the phone lent to GBC or its recordings.

    I have the utmost respect for both journos named here, and can only imagine that their apparent absence from the debate is related to very stern legal advice from their respective employers.

    But I have absolutely no doubt that “the truth will out” and that the grubby facts surrounding both conundrums will be bigger than Ben Hur.

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    1. Are they putting the info re his new legal team out there to see what the public’s reaction may be, hoping no one will notice the irregularities taking place and the special privileges bestowed on GBC, not to mention where they want our taxpayer $$’s to go? Do they think/hope we’re all dumb?
      I hope you are right GHS that this deafening silence surrounding truth suppression and special privileges for some will come to an end soon, and the players involved in these games’s true colours will be revealed.

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      1. Yes, RIP, if their silence is deafening then somebody needs to keep on shouting. Should we be bombarding certain people with emails? Follow GHS’ lead? Power of the people, like the thousands who marched for Jill.
        Mind you, tapping my phone, hacking my computer, poisoning my family and chasing me out of the country wouldn’t be much fun. Too scary.

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    2. Interesting that you have gained that information re Bjoke Bjoke and his forbidding anyone in Government to talk about the phone etc. Re this order – WHY, WHY, WHY??? But anyway, it is further evidence that there is such a huge wall of mistrust that sits between those in power and the public, which can only continue to grow and fester.

      I think it funny that because his master has spoken, it can be assumed that all will obey. What a joke, really. The Baden-Clay family ultimately is still calling the shots and the ripples on the pond continue to spread. It is actually very scary, as opposed to funny.

      The Federal Government is in no better state, and therefore of no help, the Governor-General is the mother-in-law of the most upwardly mobile bloke in parliament (and a possible future PM, who was one of the faceless men who orchestrated the upheaval which resulted in Kath and Kim’s Julia Gillard taking the top seat at the table), and swore in Slippery Slipper, and they almost got away with that grave error in awarding him the 3rd most senior position in the country, so I guess the next best option, is her Majesty (as was suggested by another poster earlier)! Of course, I say this in jest but really, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place and both would be difficult to bust. I reckon just a dose of honesty all round might be of benefit.

      I must also add that I am not for or against any particular party, but just look for fairness and honesty.

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    1. Dear RB,
      Robbo helped me do mine some time ago, sorry I’m of no help. If I could remember how he did it ,I would help be pleased to help you.

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          1. TODAY’S CONTEMPLATION

            Life is an opportunity, benefit from it.
            Life is beauty, admire it.
            Life is a dream, realize it.
            Life is a challenge, meet it.
            Life is a duty, complete it.
            Life is a game, play it.
            Life is a promise, fulfill it.
            Life is sorrow, overcome it.
            Life is a song, sing it.
            Life is a struggle, accept it.
            Life is a tragedy, confront it.
            Life is an adventure, dare it.
            Life is luck, make it.
            Life is too precious, do not destroy it.
            Life is life, fight for it.
            — Mother Teresa

            I think from the evidence left on GBC, she fought for her life. Poor darling.

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  14. Hi Burleigh Beach. You’re not going to believe this: Been thinking of you all day (again) on farm type duties and thinking…”I wish that Burleigh Beach would stick around a bit more. Her posts are so…so… well, thought provoking, enlightening, gutsy, and brilliant.”
    Well blow me down, that mental telepathy stuff must have worked after all!
    So glad you got the “message!”
    Talk about setting a cat among the pigeons! And yes; your new posts are all of the above.
    Interesting poster that Terra Australis person.
    I tried googling for some information on the WA judge in question, and got some totally irrelevant story about a Jerry Sandusky paedophile dude. From US I think. (Doesn’t matter, he was a trusted leader of children. The sort of person a lot of young boys would look up to, want to emulate, want to admire, all this in their most impressionable, most vulnerable years.)

    Couldn’t help thinking of my late father’s warning over 30 years ago. “Watch out for those Scouts leaders, there’s a lot of paedophiles among them.”
    A line from Wikipedia:
    “Sandusky had a strategy to cull vulnerable boys (whom he would first approach when they were 8–12 years-old) through the Second Mile organization, targeting his potential victims at will (boys tended to be from homes without a father present); at which point Sandusky employed classic child grooming strategies (offering trips to football games, gifts — leading to incremental touching). This form of manipulation is generally the modus operandi of pedophiles as a ploy to build trust while invading personal boundaries — all part of instilling confusion, leading up to and part of the sexual abuse…………………”

    There was a line that stood out in regards to the sentence of the Jerry Sandusky paedophile:
    This from the Judge:
    “Sandusky was a particularly dangerous breed of child molester because he masked his manipulation and abuse of children behind a respectable facade. “It is the remarkable ability to conceal that makes these crimes so heinous.”

    I couldn’t help but think of GBC.

    GBC is a particularly dangerous breed of murderer because he masked his manipulation and abuse of his wife behind a respectable façade. It is the remarkable ability to conceal that makes this crime so heinous.

    I also couldn’t help think back to a post of yours ages ago where you cited two separate laws for Scouts. One for the façade and one for the “How it is supposed to look for the boys.”

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  15. BB’s posts last night set me off a-googling and I stumbled on this piece of “News”.
    Probably off topic here, but is THIS the stuff that concerns our judges barristers and supposedly Law people in this country?
    Ummm, these are the people who make the big decisions on crooks and criminals …..right?
    Who let people like Adrian Bailey out on the street, knowing what he is about.
    Who stand against people like Terra Australis, and in effect boot him out of his own country.
    Well unless he is a fairy story teller or something. The stuff of which Terra Australis speaks should be front page headline News.
    These are our upstanding and educated members of society who ……..(sorry, words fail me.)

    How and why barrister David Stokes became Heather Stokes | Life …
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/…heather…/story-fni0dpw6-1226666418066

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    1. I love you QCL. Don’t blush! Well, of course you can, it is a free country and I think seeing emotion and vulnerability in others increases my admiration for them.

      I will read the link, but haven’t as yet.

      I spent a couple of hours in a car this morning with one of my children who lived abroad. Our conversation somehow moved to Allison and they asked where things were at. I tried to give a brief overview (not easy given the complexities and myriad unhealthy connections and revelations. He asked whether the media was all over it re the political component?

      I ask, should we be doing more to move the lines in the sand?

      Really,

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      1. Thank you LF. That is really nice!
        Interesting that your children appear to have a more decent, more open, more honorable and more realistic view of this situation than the BC family and possibly the Law.
        Not too certain about the Law at the moment if it’s governed like a dirty little boy’s club.
        I watched in utter disbelief as the Azaria Chamberlain saga unfolded.
        (To this day I am unable to fathom why it took a very expensive week to determine the mathematics of a dingo’s jaws and a baby’s head. I mean; why not request evidence from past episodes of same thing. And how in blue blazes would an English Judge understand the first thing about an Australian native dog or it’s habits??? Royal Corgis they are not.)
        The Judge should be culpable for every dingo attack after that time.
        I learned only recently that Adrian Bailey has a history of the exact vile type of violence that killed Jill M. WHY was this killer on the streets?
        The Judge should be made culpable.
        I could go on but if that Terra Australis poster is truthful in his posts, then it is time for a major shake up of our Law System.

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        1. I agree with all you say QCL. I don’t think I can be slain for expressing my personal views which I have alluded to here, with respect to my faith in the legal system. Sad, but time and experience have helped form them.

          I am not rigid in my views, thoughts and opinions though, and always open to new information and willing to alter or change my opinions.

          Can anyone educate me and help me to understand how professionals develop cold detachment from victims, their family, future potential victims etc when making powerful decisions. Is it a kind of brain-washing and blind faith in ‘the system’, along with an OFF button to switch off that powerful thing called E M P A T H Y, which allows terribly bad decisions be made, which ultimately have disastrous consequences? Do people become ‘not real’, names simply being a combination of letters on paper or computer screen without a human-being attached?

          And another thing I would really like help with, is an, at times, blind acceptance of things which aren’t ‘right’ or ‘fair’. Is it that we really are powerless? Is it that my view of justice differs from another and therefore I must accept that which is signed and sealed in concrete and generationally incorporated and accepted.

          Sometimes I think it would be a wonderful thing to see a rebellion of goodness with power as strong as the bad, corrupt and unconscionable working to create change.

          Observing the families of victims struggling with ‘justice’ as decided and dictated by our legal system this week is evidence that something, somewhere is terribly wrong. The evidence provided by those devastated agyer the loss of a family member who has been killed/murdered, is not circumstantial. It is raw and real, and therefore can’t be argued with or against, debated by expert witnesses to prove that what they are feeling is not possible, wrong, or enough to get them off, or reduce their grieving sentence.

          Sorry, got a bit carried away there but trying to say something about real people, real feelings, and injustice that can’t be walked away from.

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          1. Dear LF,
            1. Please stop apologising – you have as much right as any other person on this planet to express your views.
            2. It’s not only professionals that have the cold detachment, I think it is born into some people, those people are then attracted to activities that allow them to utilise the behaviours that make the rest of us cringe.
            3.I believe the net is a great leveller and gives the innocent a voice that is carried beyond our back fences.
            It is a powerful tool and can be used for bad as well as for good – my preference is to accept we’ve been given a gift to be used to speak up and make a difference.
            4. My omission is, in over a year, I’ve never acknowledged your sensitive and valuable contributions, I am sorry for that and seek to correct it now. As I write this I have a loyal & trusty friend at my feet, snoring contentedly, she brings a smile to my face, as many of your posts have done.
            Cheers, AV

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              1. 🙂
                Dear little fish, blush away, I always welcome your posts, am conscious of your depth of feeling and desire to see wrong righted.

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                1. Thank you AV…. I have often asked ‘Is it a psychiatric condition to be overly-sensitive?’, as I am often accused of that personality disorder…. hence my reaction to what I perceive, at times, others taking the liberty of adopting a ‘bossy’ position on a free, equal footing and anonymous blog. Overly-sensitive…. But toughening up… And love feeling the love from like-minded souls. X

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    1. Hi Admin, I have just one problem. I haven’t seen where GBC was granted Legal Aid. We don’t know at what point he hired the new legals. He could have hired them first (on the quiet) then enquired about Legal Aid. I think this is the reason all the journos are not saying anything. I even contacted Hinch and no reply. I am more than happy to sign a petition and share it if I am shown that he is actually getting Legal Aid.

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      1. Wait Admin. Hold it. The journo’s are all quiet for some reason. This is unusual.
        Does anyone have a suitable explanations for the silence of the journos on this issue?

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        1. Yep, great Idea!…though I too think we need to confirm if he has been granted legal Aid and how and why etc….
          Could it be that the media are laying low on this due to the risk of having a negative impact on the case?? As in trial by media blah blah….? Is that a possibility?

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          1. Does it matter? Just say we cannot confirm, that does not stop us asking the question(s). It’s better to ask, to be a voice for the voiceless, Allison cannot defend herself. A murderer(s) made sure of that. What’s that expression: Evil happens when good men & women do nothing.

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      2. Dear Ozmosis,

        Do you feel the same as I do? I feel a bit cranky that Hinch has not replied to you.

        I thought he might just be genuine.

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        1. I think maybe no one is answering because there is a risk of libel. All the news has said is that GBC “may” have applied for legal aid and LA are saying they can’t comment about whether a person applies or not or is granted or not. Unfortunately GBC has as much right as anyone else to seek legal aid but I would be mighty pissed if legal aid grants him a private legal team at our expense.

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          1. Thank you Ozmosis. I agree with you completely.

            I must say up front, that I don’t know how the system works; however, what worries me is if there isn’t a response from the general public in a reasonable amount of time, then, there is perhaps the chance that nothing can be done and GBC will happily choose, with allegedly his family contacts, which lawyer he wants for free.

            However, of course, we can’t go off without knowing the facts, which would be worse than anything.

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            1. Here are some current petitions going at change.org I sign petitions frequently there, I get sent emails about some new petitions every so often. I think they are great to go through and I feel a petition should start with the word “prevent”. Example – “Prevent Gerard Baden-Clay receiving private legal representation through Legal Aid QLD”. When the desired number of signatories have been received then forward it the Attorney General’s Dept in QLD. Just a suggestion…. There is an option to share with Facebook after one signs.

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            2. Repeating this as my internet cut out just as I posted it. Forgive me if it doubles up:
              Here are some current petitions going at change.org I sign petitions frequently there, I get sent emails about some new petitions every so often. I think they are great to go through and I feel a petition should start with the word “prevent”. Example – “Prevent Gerard Baden-Clay receiving private legal representation through Legal Aid QLD”. When the desired number of signatories have been received then forward it the Attorney General’s Dept in QLD. Just a suggestion…. There is an option to share with Facebook after one signs.

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      1. Whilst I think the petition has merit…sorry, I’m not signing yet. More proof is required lest we run off like an ill informed lynch mob!

        If the petition was in two parts…the first of which is a petition for the powers to be to confirm or deny the true position of the LA…THEN I’m definitely happy to sign this.

        If, as many suspect, that a swifty has been pulled by the hyphen family…and there is adequate substantive proof, I will readily sign with a fingernail dipped in tar.

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        1. Thanks, The Shadow, you suggested:

          “If the petition was in two parts…the first of which is a petition for the powers to be to confirm or deny the true position of the LA…THEN I’m definitely happy to sign this.”

          I think the above is a very good suggestion – what do we all think?

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          1. I agree, I am one of those who would need to see proof that GBC has actually been granted Legal Aid first. The petition as it stands anyone who wrote it and signs it is open to charges of libel.

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  16. It is a brilliant idea

    We should all email the link to everyone in our address books requesting that they sign the petition, and request their address book contacts to do the same

    Can the site be given a counter to show the current number of signatories ?

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    1. Hi Dan,

      Thank you.

      The site will say when we reach a pre-determined number. I have placed 200 as the number.

      Your idea is fantastic too!

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      1. Sounds good, Admin, but I’m wary about identifying myself and having my knees capped. And as others have pointed out we don’t know the facts at this stage..

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    2. Ooops and then all will be identified somewhere. Sounds like a bloody war-zone not knowing who is enemy or friend!.

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      1. Another thought, if he really has zero $$, which may well be the case with him owing a $million I suppose it is likely he will need to apply for LA.(not sure about the possibility of any being stashed away somewhere or how his ex legal team had been paid???),

        What bothers me is that whereas the general public has no say in who LA assigns to defend them, he supposedly gets to choose an expensive option…..however as Ozmosis points out, we really don’t know if it is definitely the truth. Maybe even the journos don’t have access to this info to confirm or refute the rumour…???

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        1. He’s probably only getting to choose because they saw the $ he has locked in those insurance payouts. There is hope of being paid at least…. and I bet they will charge every penny of it.

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          1. I do not see that GBC can make any plans or promises relating to the insurance pay-outs, since unless he is found to be innocent of any involvement and cover-up of Allison’s murder, which appears highly unlikely, he should not get his hands on a cent of it.

            I hope it will go to Allison’s girls. It seems morally and ethically wrong for ANY of it to be used to defend or support her potential killer in any way.

            So it seems no one, not even LA, should even think about doing anything with Allison’s life insurance money, until after GBC’s trial.

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            1. Yes RIP, I totally agree! ….and i’m quietly confident that there’s a lot of eyes and ears out there ensuring nothing dodgy goes down here….

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              1. God help us if GBC’s growth of underground supporters-through-mutual-and-dodgy-pursuits extends anywhere near those making the big decisions….. Good to hear an apology for mistakes made interstate by the law enforcement with respect to the church/men of the cloth/pedaphiles etc. While an apology changes nothing, the admission of guilt from those who have failed is some small recompense.

                Please, I already know that we have all these wonderful government departments, officials, legal systems in place, in whom we must have ‘faith’ and ‘trust’. Oh, wouldn’t it be loverly, loverly, loverly (and if I could cut and paste some musical notes in here, I would do so…).

                Oh, and just as an aside, if there is a slim chance that any members of the Dickie family read any of these posts, I apologize for any connotations indicating evil deeds of all involved with the Freemasonry…. I know of your goodness and other members, who are salt of the earth, honest, law-abiding citizens who would not touch with a 10
                foot pole anything that might cause harm to others or in someway manipulate them for their own gains.

                Bad apples can be found in many carts in many varieties and areas. That is what is bothersome…. and dear-oh-me, maybe even here !

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                1. Little Fish…the one thing I trust ….is , if this was the works of a dodgy lot of folk…it would have been covered up a lot better. This is the one thing that gives me hope….. It’s far tooo messy, tooo many loose ends…according to me anyways. In saying that, (I’m a lot in saying that lately… :/ ) seriously though, Just think it would have been dealt with differently….not saying though, there could be a damage control in place with a cover up afterwards for sure …….

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  17. My objection isn’t particularly that GBC is getting L Aid. My objection is that he is getting the best legals in L Aid….for example a QC will cost the tax payer lots of $$$$$….he should only be entitled to a normal solicitor in my opinion…one that doesn’t cost the tax payer so much money. My question is…does he still have a relative still working in L Aid that can pull a few strings so that GBC gets…’nothing but the best’ !!!

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    1. I agree JD,

      GBC shouldn’t be choosing who he wants to choose.

      Conflict of interest with family being on the board who grants situations such as these.

      Was that “taster” about GBC choosing who defends him placed in the media to see if there was an outcry? My answer: Of course!

      There is an outcry but no-one is doing anything so GBC gets away with it.

      That is what I am worried about.

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      1. Feeling guilty myself. I’d like to add my voice to the roar, just don’t want to put my name out there. Is there any other way?

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        1. The Shadow has come up with a good idea for a first run for us to try, do you think?

          I think it wonderful, for our little community or family here, to work out what is best, together.

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        2. In view of the apparent fact that we are none too sure about what percentage of the new high-profile (and therefore extremely expensive) legal team is being funded by taxpayers, it is my humble view to proceed with caution.

          They may have offered to do it ‘pro bono’ for the media attention they will receive (as either men of righteous intent, or media tarts with an eye on their potential future clients – you choose).

          But we have every right to ask certain questions:

          Are taxpayers forking out more than the usual Legal Aid fees to defend GBC with his choice of the best legal guns around town (now that his others have been shot down)?

          If not, then we need to cop it on the chin, as he has the same rights as everyone else.

          If so, who has approved the additional expenditure to give him what he wants – Legal Aid itself, or the funding bodies of Legal Aid (which are presumably the State and/or Federal Governments)?

          Can we be assured that IF Alex Baden-Powell is ALLEGEDLY on the grants committee and IF he is related or in anyway associated with the Hyphenated ones (as facebook followers have ALLEGED), did he preclude himself from deliberations due to a POTENTIAL vested interest?

          To my way of thinking, these are legitimate questions to be asked, and the answers should not be hard to deliver if all is above board.

          My own endeavours to get the media questioning, if not talking, have fallen upon deaf ears – there may well be a good reason for that, but I can’t fathom why they haven’t even just put the mumblings of “public protestation” out there.

          And then, of course, there is the very murky issue of the Flegg tapes happening to be on the mobile phone lent to Gerbil after Allison’s disappearance.

          My suggestion would be to voice your queries and concerns direct to specific journos.

          I’m pretty sure they are on the case, but a little extra prompting couldn’t hurt.

          Posters will know who I have already contacted – if I could make a few extra suggestions for someone other than me to follow up: Madonna King at Qld Newspapers, or even Hedley Thomas at The Australian.

          Just a thought, as I have learned over too many years that “the squeaky wheel gets the oil.”

          That’s just trying to get debate and hopefully answers in the public domain – letters to Legal Aid, the Premier, Attorney-General and local Members wouldn’t go astray either.

          And if couched in correct terms, you might even manage to get a Letter to the Editor published (but I doubt it if their own reporters are remaining mute).

          Why don’t we all give it a shot in our own comfort zone?

          ..

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          1. You could always use an alias GBH, as you appear a brave and fearless warrior.

            Please advise how you get on.

            I wonder how those who are intimately connected to Allison feel about recent revelations? Are they battle weary? Goodness gracious, the poor buggers have this continual and slow torture forced upon them… I hope that they are able, in someway, to disconnect from the evil that seems to build.

            It really must be a nightmare for them without an end in sight. Sleep might be a blessing to give a reprieve from their pain.

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  18. Hi Admin,
    Your petition is a great idea but exposing our true identities could be a bit of an issue. A lot of weirdo troll this site…….like Nigel and his kooky son in law. I’m so thankful Nige’s peadophile grandpa is dead and his wife murdering son has found true love with Mr.Big out at ACCC.
    What a dreadful family!!

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    1. Hi again KatiKutloose 😀

      I didn’t say before, that I agree with you completely, with being careful to not expose our identities.

      How do you know that NBC etc. trolls here?

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      1. I think social media helped identify the alleged Boston Marathon bombers. Unfortunately they also identified an innocent person which is one of the downsides.
        I remember when the Port Arthur massacre happened, and Martin Bryant had the yellow Volvo with the roof racks. Just like mine. Oh, the sideways glances I received.

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      1. If you live in fantasy land, your surroundings can be whatever you make them.

        Anybody who has the capacity to shut out reality, which might include knowledge of murder, by oneself or others, will survive anywhere, I suspect…. Business as usual, which may not be different to any other time….plotting, scheming, deviousness, transferring blame etc etc etc etc etc etc.

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        1. Perhaps this is true on an internal level LF, but I would imagine his fellow lodgers could make life a bit of a stark reality for him that would be difficult to ignore.

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  19. Some thoughts about depression… Get someone who loves you to hold you tight . Tell you everything’s gonna be alright love cures everything

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    1. I am really happy that you can view the world as such Mandolin….problem for me is the broad interpretation of love…. And by whom, which is an obstacle to my having faith that love cures all.

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      1. hmmm…Little Fish, I think I get what you’re saying. It is great to have caring supportive people around you…and if not, then? It is difficult at times…and the broad interpretation of love to me is trusting that love does exist…and more importantly within ourselves. If we give up that trust in ourselves we fall victim to that which is happening around us ….such as horrific murders. No, taking another’s life is certainly not love to me….but I trust, love endures……I only have to look at the Dickies and believe this. I guess what I am trying to say is; no matter what happens around us we need to hold on to the love….for if not, hate festers and we lose faith in all mankind…..and the world snowballs in that direction 😦 It’s challenging to live that….yet if we don’t then does it not show some kind of hypocrisy? I dunno….I have a choice to trust….and I do……although very challenging at times :/ xo

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        1. Hi Millie. I hear ye.

          Not sure that what I was trying to say was conveyed. I don’t a problem in the concept at all… Just that those oft 3 spoken words of ‘I love you’ can be spilled without conviction….

          I have experience with and of unconditional love, interpretted by me in my environment and relationships. I have also seen different hues of the concept played out.

          I find it sad to see a partner smacked around, physically/emotionally/verbally who then can be lured back by those 3 words… And then whammo, it repeats itself etc.

          I was probably thinking layers, when writing. It is not a simple concept.

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          1. Yeah Little fish…went way out on another tangent….
            I see what you are saying there, and people who crave love, feel low self worth, depression etc…do fall victim to this manipulation….in saying this….there are many who are not depressed and just want to hold their family together xo. This is a much bigger picture isn’t it? An intelligent beautiful women so in love and devoted to her husband and three beautiful daughters….her family….to withstand such mental and quite possibly physical abuse…. Hopefully, the sharing of QCL and many other’s information on ‘ being aware of living with narcissistic and sociopath partners have made many aware of such abuse and be aware of people who are capable of such……

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            1. Ta. I was speaking broadly, and my much earlier comment was not in any way cynical, judgemental or questioning of the beautiful situation related by another poster. Their comment just got me onto a subject I am passionate about and was thinking globally rather than taking the piss out of any person or their thoughts.

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  20. Well I am lucky to have supportive loving people around me … And am sorry that others don’t . Love exists . Not a broad interpretation at all . It is or it isn’t .in my opinion only .
    Love and peace and kindness to all

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    1. So true, Mandolin, if you have love and support you can get through anything. I’m so glad for you that you have it, and that you can embrace how blessed you are by it. Love, peace and kindness to you.

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    2. Hi Mandolin, love sure does exist. I am in the most wonderful loving marriage anyone could ever wish for. We love each other , our children, our Grandchildren, friends and family with all our hearts and we love the fact that we are still alive and well.

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    3. “Well I am lucky to have supportive loving people around me ” Mandolin
      You are indeed very, very lucky, Mandolin. If you don’t have the support and love, caring and concern that you get from family and friends, you don’t have much at all. Love is just so important. . . .love each other or perish!
      Sending you a hug on this chilly morning 🙂

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  21. Hey Admin,
    Been flat out at work BUT, Nigey, Epaind, GBC, Ditsy Daughter and the kooky son in law are such egotists that there’s no way they wouldn’t be following this site!, as the Queensland Police would have been.
    We’ve been on the money since Allison was murdered (except for Nigey being seen at the roundabout).

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  22. I just spotted this: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/queensland/defence-costs-jump-15m-as-lawyers-take-advantage-of-legal-aid/story-fnii5v6w-1226669625782

    So getting LA is a done deal by the looks of it. Does the sentence “Accused wife killer Gerard Baden-Clay has won Legal Aid funding for his case and will hire a private solicitor and a barrister to try the matter. It is likely his case will be expensive” mean he is not being given a solicitor by LA as is the case with the rest of the population, but is able to choose expensive private solicitors to represent him, funded by us taxpayers? If so one can’t help but wonder about the involvement of an alleged family member on the grants committee…??? What makes this one person so special that his case justifies all this special expenditure?

    Yoshi if you are out there please give us your perspective on this issue.

    The emotional cost of Allison’s murder to her children, family and friends is beyond measure.

    I would rather like to know what the taxpayer $ cost has been so far – including the massive 10 day search for a ‘missing’ Allison, the legal costs so far, the QPS and prosecution costs, incarceration of GBC (under what appears to be special conditions, judging by his weight gain), etc. If this man is guilty and has forced all these costs upon the taxpaying citizens of this country first by manipulating the system with his ‘right to remain silent’ and now by getting LA to cover his expensive solicitors, it will be awful. What’s next – him getting off with murder?

    He should have the same rights as everyone else and be given the same benefits as Joe Blow. Why the special treatment? What power does the BC family have to arrange this? It smacks of corruption and deals behind closed doors. It does not seem fair. Allison was murdered in the most awful way, 3 little girls robbed of their beloved mother. This awful deed was not perpetrated by a visiting space man. It was perpetrated by someone close to Allison, someone she trusted, who loaded her bleeding body in her car and dumped her not over but under the Kholo bridge, where she would not be found for some time but also would stay safely to be found when it suited this person’s purposes. Horrible!

    I think we all feel pretty convinced we know who this person is (with possible accomplices). It was clear as he sported a range of very telling injuries from a life and death struggle with Allison and his behaviour from day 1 has been very telling. It is very difficult to grasp how/why he should be afforded such special treatment and privileges, which would not be the case if his name was Joe Blow. The more funds go to the BC case, the less money there will be on the pot for the many Joe Blows who need assistance.

    I think we need a lot more transparency around this issue. We need to know who facilitates all this special support and decides on behalf of the taxpayers to commit this massive expense to this one alleged murderer’s defense – and WHY????

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    1. Hi RIP Allison, I totally agree with all that you have said. My Husband and I, like many others have worked hard all our life and I think it ‘STINKS’ that our taxes are going to help this horrible creep that calls him self a man walk free !!!!!!

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    2. RIP Allison … timely reminder us of the details. Your last sentence:
      [Quote] “We need to know who facilitates all this special support and decides on behalf of the taxpayers to commit this massive expense to this one alleged murderer’s defense – and WHY????”[Unquote].
      WHO exactly? Level of Government? Their political influence? WHO HAS DECIDED TO USE TAXPAYER’S MONEY? in this way? … to defend this alleged murderer’s expensive and extraordinary defense?
      We need to demand more transparency on this matter. It is taxpayer’s money.
      These systems of government and our elected representatives are charged with a duty to make decisiions on our behalf. SO WHO HAS DECIDED TO GIVE THIS ALLEGED MURDERER A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF TAXPAYER’S FUNDS? Where is the accountability for this decison?
      In the bigger scheme, the governing of this country, our election rights have also been eroded. Look at the Gillard/Rudd fiasco. We elected a Prime Minister of this country, but our elected representative was ‘cut-down’ & replaced from within the Party. This is a serious erosion of our election rights.
      If we don’t demand transparency and become complacent, we are facilitating this type of corrruption. IMO this demand for transparency is best put through a public political office such as the Attorney General for example and be a public call. ‘Evil prospers when good men/women do nothing’.

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      1. Yes. Yes and yes to all of the above and RIP’s post. Thank God for those of you who are able to articulate so well, what others might be thinking.

        Thank you and have a great day.

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        1. I think The thing we do need to do is ask these questions and we can do……re GHS’s Post….I know you won’t mind me reposting this GHS…. WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION….we have that right 🙂 I’m sure…

          gerbilhuntingseason
          on June 23, 2013 at 7:10 pm said:
          In view of the apparent fact that we are none too sure about what percentage of the new high-profile (and therefore extremely expensive) legal team is being funded by taxpayers, it is my humble view to proceed with caution.

          They may have offered to do it ‘pro bono’ for the media attention they will receive (as either men of righteous intent, or media tarts with an eye on their potential future clients – you choose).

          But we have every right to ask certain questions:

          Are taxpayers forking out more than the usual Legal Aid fees to defend GBC with his choice of the best legal guns around town (now that his others have been shot down)?

          If not, then we need to cop it on the chin, as he has the same rights as everyone else.

          If so, who has approved the additional expenditure to give him what he wants – Legal Aid itself, or the funding bodies of Legal Aid (which are presumably the State and/or Federal Governments)?

          Can we be assured that IF Alex Baden-Powell is ALLEGEDLY on the grants committee and IF he is related or in anyway associated with the Hyphenated ones (as facebook followers have ALLEGED), did he preclude himself from deliberations due to a POTENTIAL vested interest?

          To my way of thinking, these are legitimate questions to be asked, and the answers should not be hard to deliver if all is above board.

          My own endeavours to get the media questioning, if not talking, have fallen upon deaf ears – there may well be a good reason for that, but I can’t fathom why they haven’t even just put the mumblings of “public protestation” out there.

          And then, of course, there is the very murky issue of the Flegg tapes happening to be on the mobile phone lent to Gerbil after Allison’s disappearance.

          My suggestion would be to voice your queries and concerns direct to specific journos.

          I’m pretty sure they are on the case, but a little extra prompting couldn’t hurt.

          Posters will know who I have already contacted – if I could make a few extra suggestions for someone other than me to follow up: Madonna King at Qld Newspapers, or even Hedley Thomas at The Australian.

          Just a thought, as I have learned over too many years that “the squeaky wheel gets the oil.”

          That’s just trying to get debate and hopefully answers in the public domain – letters to Legal Aid, the Premier, Attorney-General and local Members wouldn’t go astray either.

          And if couched in correct terms, you might even manage to get a Letter to the Editor published (but I doubt it if their own reporters are remaining mute).

          Why don’t we all give it a shot in our own comfort zone?

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  23. In the first instance, may I say thank you RIP Alison for popping your head up, especially with the link to the CM article.

    It seems just plain madness all around really…. Now if it is a government organization, how is it that Campbell Newman suggest he has no governance of same….It reads that the service isn’t working to the protocols set out and if the budget is blowing out so badly, why have there been no cut-backs there, as in many other areas.

    RIP, it seems again that the victim and their family continue to be on the losing end and that their turmoil gets forgotten very quickly by some.

    I really think it is time for the ordinary person to make some noise about this. Tomorrow is a new day and I am going to have a look at how I, as a Joe Blow, can express my disgust at the shambolic running of such an irganisation, Legal Aid, can line the pockets of those in the legal fraternity, who it would appear blatantly disregard the rules and regulations at our expense!!! It is criminal really….and it is they who are defending criminals.

    Just what lengths are the B-C’s capable of going to? Combine that with the corruption, lies and dishonesty played out and represented by the ‘government’ itself, with which there appears to be ties and I think we are in trouble.

    Thanks again RIP, as I wondered whether posters had gone to sleep on the job or into hibernation.

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  24. Thank you RIP for your very good post.
    Another thought has been niggling away at my head.
    There are three young people (possibly one too young) who could make or break his “Innocent” plea.
    Their words are in fact Pivotal in regards to the outcome of this case. Including where they DID spend the night of the 19th April. (Not where they have been instructed to SAY they were; for fear of death.)
    I wonder if G or any member of the BC family have been trying to gain access to these witnesses.
    Considering all we have learned about his modus operandi, it would not surprise me to learn he has been trying from AGCC to message them. Or Brainwash them, tamper with their minds, intimidate them or De-brief them to his requirements.
    “THIS IS HOW IT WAS. YOU WILL BELIEVE THIS. YOU WILL SAY THIS. YOU WILL NOT DEPART FROM THESE LINES. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU.”

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    1. I seem to think when those dear little souls reach a mature age, they might just happen to come forward with what they know if they were at home that night. It’s all just like a nightmare….I sure hope there is Justice served to that horrible ‘willy wonker caterpillar wanker’…. !!!!!

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  25. How old does a child have to be to give evidence in court . Not that I wish this on anyone . I think in Victoria it’s 12 years old

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  26. Again….I will refer to the power of love here…….Alison was the most significant in the children’s lives. Their heart is so broken at this point in time…..the turmoil of losing their one true mother’s love….and now their only grasp of a parent exists with their father. But we need to trust in the Dickie’s love of these girls….we need to trust they know right from wrong from their mother’s genuine love…..they are with the next closest to their mum 🙂 It is extremely difficult for them at this point in time…..and if the road goes that they want to protect their dad…..one day, they will see….I think they see already, must be so difficult to accept though. I truly believe the scare tactics won’t work on them.

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  27. I would like to address a certain matter……. ‘Tis this:
    To paint the scene:

    Your wife has gone missing, possibly there may be foul play surrounding her disappearance.

    You look in the mirror and notice you have bloody great scratch marks all over your face.
    (You have already called the police as that’s what one is supposed to do when a wife goes missing.)
    You suddenly realize the scratch marks could appear incriminating to yourself.
    So you say to yourself:
    “Better get someone to make a written statement to the effect the marks were caused by …… Umm…. Shaving.”
    “A Doctor maybe? All righty! A female doctor, who will do as I bid.
    Females can be manipulated by my obvious charm and name. I can CONTROL females, the weaker sex and all.
    Better make it urgent. Get it over quick. Just be sure to walk out with that all important paperwork that cannot be disputed if push comes to shove. Everything all under control. That’s all that matters.
    Yes, make that Doctor appointment ASAP. Priorities, keep those proprieties in order. (Gee whiz! Even the cops have asked about them, the marks, I mean. Funny thing, I never even noticed before. Amazing what adrenaline does)”

    Oh, what was that scene again? Wife or something missing? Nearly forgot that bit.

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    1. Happy wet Sunday to y’all.

      QCL, I always get a bit excited when I see a post come through from you…as I know your words are always interesting, wise, thought-provoking but most importantly, kind and filled with humility, compassion and good intent.

      Some life events are very levelling and from my own experiences of life and death situations, or situations which necessitate the stripping away of certain personal attributes that would be detrimental to the survival of all, it is in the aftermath, and when people are able to resume being their real-selves, that our true colours are displayed. I find this aspect of human nature most interesting…you know you can operate with someone in a crisis out of necessity, but once the pressure valve is released, and you see less than admirable qualities existing, you know you don’t want to stay connected. However, after traumatic events, there are some people with whom you will always be close to because they continue to be the safe, reliable, comforting, non-controlling individuals you knew through the tough times. QCL, I think you are the latter… Predictable with not an ounce of meanness, or desire to control or be controlling. More QCL’s = Less conflict and wars.

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      1. That is a lovely post LF. Not sure about being without rankle though, when I think about the bloke (can’t call him a man) who saw fit to see a Doc about his face, in preference to looking for his missing wife.
        What I mean to say is this: Supposing his Gillette razor suddenly went ballistic and did the job as he says it did, what sort of wuss would go scurrying off for treatment of same, when the fate of his wife hangs in the balance?

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        1. Ah QCL, I did wiggle my tail and scoot off on an aimless direction with my message. I, of course, understand that you do get the rankles, or have the rankles, and more with respect to one GBC. I wasn’t discounting or undervaluing nor depreciating that, just that you shoot in all the right directions, so to speak.

          I have come to terms a little with the whole Legal Aid thing in the last couple of days. At the end of the day, thieves will always find ways to rob, murderers to kill, connivers to extrapolate ‘extras’ out of systems, etc etc. There will always be someone, somewhere, taking advantage of others, tax payer dollars wasted, bad things happening to good people. It would seem from what I have read or heard, that the Baden-Clay family are masters of manipulation, and therefore one shouldn’t be surprised to learn of any strategies, tactics or services they can wangle to wriggle out of trouble they have placed themselves in.

          I haven’t come to terms though with the fact that the longer the conspiracy of silence continues, and desperate people are reaching for desperate measures to avoid facing the consequences of their actions, that the Dickie family will be further hurt. Money can’t buy love nor happiness. The pain, anguish, grief, shock, sadness, revulsion Allison’s family and friends must feel would be immeasurable. I can’t get my head around the fact that it seems like the innocents have to prove their innocence, even from the grave. If someone dies of natural causes or even through accident, those close family and friends still suffer but hopefully with time, can reconcile their grief in some way and hold fond memories etc. However, in this case, I feel that every move that is made to ensure that Allison’s killer remains free/not convicted/etc, would surely be more torturous for her family on an on-going basis. A sad and unavoidable nightmare they have been forced to endure.

          How easy would it be for one person to release their burden and come clean about what happened on that fateful day last year? Not so easy, I suspect, for the types of individuals who have maintained silence for this length of time and proves even more strongly for me, that Allison was indeed living a life of entrapment, and of such evil magnitude, that it would have been a living hell for her and a web not easy to extricate herself and the girls from.

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          1. Hi Little Fish. It’s always good to hear from your perspective. Me…. well I’m sort of stuck over the scratch marks, and having to get them seen to and all. Like when he did the car crash into the pylon thing and was interviewed on the telly.
            I for one was hanging out for words something like “My darling wife has been missing….. and I’ve been beside myself with worry. I can’t function properly, and I …I …can’t think straight let alone drive straight, Oh my wife. That’s all I can think about”
            But nooooo……………nothing about the missing wife ….nothing about his fears for her safety.
            Just this:
            “I’m a little bit hurt but I’m OK.”
            What I mean to say …..What the …..!!!
            Another thing what I mean to say, next thing these masters of manipulation will be expecting the Australian taxpayers to be paying for their legal defence. Without batting an eye.

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  28. Back to painting the scene:
    Your wife has gone missing. and it is early morning.
    You decide to:
    (a) Have a shave, shower and any other morning ablution. Including go though your emails.
    (b) Have a look around?
    (c) Call her parents and have a bit of a yarn about the matter at hand. Their daughter specifically.
    (d) Call her best friend and discuss the situation AND the missing wife. Any clues as to her whereabouts?
    (e) Speak with her children, without trying to alarm them too much.
    (f) Consider your options. Starting with showing concern.
    (g) Start looking for the “lost” wife. Include calling out loudly, “Yoo hoo? Where are you?”
    (h) Make a Doctor appointment for your stupid wussy facial gouges. Oh dearie me, they might get infected.

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  29. Painting the scene some more:
    Your wife has gone missing. It is early morning.
    You don’t necessarily suspect foul play, but the QPS DO. (for some inexplicable reason)
    You do not go out looking for her nor do you help those who are out looking for her.
    The QPS (for some inexplicable reason) do not appear to be looking for a LIVE missing person. They appear to be looking for a something other. Why?
    Never mind, perhaps the children could play a better part in the charade. After all, children can pull at the heart strings better in reality.

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  30. Re: politics, I’ve no party loyalties. However, in light of this and that, am looking forward to seeing Can Do toppled when he seeks re-election. In fact, it will influence my federal vote

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    1. Hi BB. Regarding party loyalties. I rather feel that what Labor (for instance) might have stood for 60 or so years ago, is totally different from what it stands for today. Same with the word itself Labor. Means nothing.
      Same goes for any other political party.
      What appears to count these days: is what Spin attracts most votes. Because spin has become all that is important. Not principles, not what’s good for the general populace.
      My parents did not tell us who to vote for, or even what each party stood for. (I was terribly disappointed about this, at the time.)
      They explained then that every thing; Politics included is subject to change. That the name of the political Party does not equate to particular beliefs. Therefore to advise children which way to go was inappropriate.
      They indicated that honesty, integrity, loyalty, ethics was more important than any Political Party or it’s name.
      On another matter, I would like to see our current state leader give a public proclamation that no favours whatsoever would be given to an accused wife killer currently in AGCC awaiting Her Majesty’s pleasure.

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  31. Oscar Pistorius is in training again as reported by the media

    Never have I seen the wheels of corruption move as swiftly as occurred in the days and weeks after Reva’s slaughter

    Can’t remember the title of the movie, but forever engraved on my memory is Paul Newman saying that, like cream, excreta rises to the top

    We rarely witness justice. Sometimes the knowledge that mud sticks is as much as we’re allowed

    Mud sticks. Sometimes, having a memorable name becomes a curse instead of a blessing

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    1. ;( Her parents would be really feeling it today. The older girls too. This is murder is something that shouldn’t have happened. I am still very angry.

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      1. IMO … they’d all be feeling it today. It’s mummy’s birthday today … and … she is ‘not here’.
        “I miss you so much mummy” … “I love you so much mummy” … are thoughts for today. So sad for Allison’s three little girls, her parents, her siblings and her friends, colleagues, neighbours and local community.

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  32. 45 is when you just start to grow into yourself.
    How dare you steal away this woman’s life? How dare you steal her away from her children? from her parents? Her friends?
    May you rot in hell.
    Anger.

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    1. Yes Tishy so very sad that she is no longer here for the many who loved her dearly and appreciated her charm and kindness. A reminder for us all to live life to the full, because it is very fragile and can change in an instant. Smell the flowers…..o)

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  33. Reading about the Wu murder in Melbourne sends shudders down your spine. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/brotherinlaws-brain-cut-out-amid-250k-debt-20130703-2pb36.html

    It really just proves that “The love of money IS the root of ALL evil”

    Terrible, just absolutely terrible and the fact that so much money was owed to people just like GBC begs the question, at what point do you stop and say I am not entitled to ask anyone for their money to pay for MY bills or MY lifestyle.

    Oh thats right, you have to have a conscious to realise that in the first place………….

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    1. Money, money, money. Well Witchetad, this was not the bedtime reading I was hoping for!
      Saw this painted on a hippy van yesterday, driven by a young, shaggy-haired blonde. . .”If you make money your God, it will plague you like the Devil”.
      We place so much importance on the wrong things, don’t we?

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  34. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/claims-qld-police-give-jobs-to-lawyers/story-fn3dxiwe-1226674422620

    Claims Qld police give jobs to lawyers
    From: AAP July 04, 2013 4:40PM

    SOME Queensland police are directing alleged offenders to certain criminal lawyers to persuade them to enter guilty pleas, Queensland Council of Civil Liberties says.

    Last year a new regulation was introduced which bans officers from directing people they’ve arrested to lawyers.

    Terry O’Gorman says there is anecdotal evidence that the practice is still happening.

    “It has been a concern among criminal defence lawyers for some time that there is a scheme going on where police friendly lawyers are having referrals made to them by police. And there is a concern that the police expect the plea of guilty and expect not to be criticised in court,” he told AAP.

    Queensland police declined to comment.

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    1. Yeah Spy Hop … an interesting article, not sure of implications for this specific case. We note the use of the term ‘anecdotal’ meaning when you use personal experience or an isolated example instead of sound argument or compelling evidence. Definition: Types of anecdotal evidence include claiming non-factual information based on the experiences of a few people, stories that would seem to contradict factual information, and word of mouth recommendations. [http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-anecdotal-evidence.htm]. Anecdotal evidence cannot be used to logically conclude something IMO.
      The Committal Hearing established that there were sufficient grounds for the alleged murderer to go to Trial.

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  35. From my own experience I would like to help the understanding of my friends on this site and possibly how and the reasons why GBC murdered Allison. I was happily married to a hardworking loving husband, family business, two children, beautiful home and it seemed the perfect family. After 10 years I should have noticed the subtle changes but the trust I had towards my husband had me blindsided. The more he was achieving the later the nights were becoming, he was working harder than ever but the money was becoming scarce. His late nights became a day or two but with the reassuring calls to tell me he loved me, he hated being away, this was the last business trip and couldn’t wait to be home with me and the children. His persona changed to an angry violent man within a matter of weeks. I started to question WTF!
    In hindsight now there was the other woman in the background wanting what I had. She started pestering him for my lifestyle and even told him she would be a better mother than I was to our children & she would happily take my place. She didn’t know me.
    On one occasion I could not rationalise with him, we were calm, he looked at me walked over to me and held a pillow over my face, I remember taking a couple of gasps and then blackness. What woke me was him standing there quietly saying my name, he had a strange look on his face, almost a calm excitement. Not yelling or anything, just watching me die.
    I now know I was in the way of their happiness.
    Now consider, if there was a divorce, I could have got the majority of the home, half the business, the super and and kept lifestyle until the children were 18.
    If I were to die BINGO! Like her winning the lottery!
    Unfortunately for them I WOKE UP, scared the crap out of him and me, the next day I got myself a top lawyer and took the house & the lifestyle. His affair only lasted 1 month after that incident, poor bugger wanted me back and was in a terrible fragile state.
    I was the lucky one that gasped a lung full of air…..this is why I’m here for Allison because that sweet little girl did not wake.
    I strongly believe this scenario I experienced was a road Allison travelled. I feel for her, I think of her and I’m so so very angry FOR her.

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    1. My posts turn up at strange places too Oz!
      My last post wasn’t about me. It was the lies and the fantasy when greed and lust overtakes reality. Gaol or repercussions are not in one’s mind. It’s obvious to me and it stands out like dogs b*lls that TM knows a lot more or must know the truth. SLEEPLESS NIGHTS TM? I hope the fantasies you and G played out re run over and over and over in your head like the horror movie you helped create.
      The longing looks she gave to him in the courtroom shows me she suffers no guilt. The evil little sucker!

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      1. “GRIEVING friends and crime scene “stickybeaks” have helped prompt the State Government to create a parking area at the bridge where Allison Baden-Clay’s body was found.

        The Kholo Creek bridge at Anstead has become an important area for family and friends to pay tribute and is a magnet for strangers who have followed the high-profile murder case.”

        To dear Everyone, Please Forgive me if I am becoming over cynical, but why do I get the impression, that “crime scene stickybeaks” has derogatory connotations?
        Are those stickybeaks a bloody nuisance? Are those stickybeaks the reason for additional spending?
        It’s not the memorial or works that is insulting. : That sounds wonderful, and looks wonderful.
        And the whole idea is wonderful. But those headlines… How about grieving friends and mourners ….
        Grieving friends and normal people ….

        And here’s some more headlines:
        Grieving friends and crime Stickybeaks discover a tangled web of lies, deceit and cover-ups…
        Grieving friends and Crime Stickybeaks try and unravel a sticky web of lies, deceit, cover-ups in their search for answers.
        Grieving friends and Crime Stickybeaks discover the web may extend from the accused to high levels of Government.
        Grieving friends and Crime Stickybeaks probe for answers. Many matters have been unearthed through that probing.
        Grieving friends and Crime Stickybeaks continue to probe and uncover….
        Grieving friends and Crime Stickybeaks are dumbfounded at events that emerge continually.
        Grieving friends and Crime Stickybeaks are angered at the level and degree of inconsistencies and possible corruption of Justice in this case.
        Grieving friends and Crime Stickybeaks claim they are being stonewalled.

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        1. I hear ya sister. Continue to go forth and use honesty and truth as your weapon.

          It was with unusual feelings, I read the Honourable Bruce Flegg’s words and ‘sticky-beak’ rang alarm bells. As did his fumbling, mumbling and mix of words. How ironic that it was he, who has many different angles if involvement in this situation…. Does he have a conscience? I am just wondering…..does he feel sick to the pit of his stomach for a variety of reasons?

          We drove over the bridge last night but noticed prior to it, the reduced speed limit… I questioned the change and my daughter pointed out the obvious:-) God bless her cotton sox, and how fortunate are she and I to be able to enjoy life together….always thinking of what poor Allison has been deprived of with her gorgeous children, and a future with her that they will never know and experience.

          Breaks your heart but really makes me angry to think that some bastard/s know the facts and won’t reveal. They should get it off their chests and suffer the consequences and let Allison’s large base of family and friends grieve rather than having to fight for justice.

          Does anyone know where the enquiry into the deceitful ‘swearing under oath’ botched CMC findings regarding Bruce Flegg/Campbell Newman/bribes etc is at?

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        2. Yeah … IMO this demonstrates that Mr. Flegg and the media lack sufficient empathy by their choice of degrogatory terms such as: ‘sticky beaks’ and ‘rubber necks’. IMO they fail to grasp that members of the local community and wider Australian community are outraged by this murder; three dependant little children remain ‘motherless’ for the rest of their lives at the hands of Allison’s murderer. Her parents, siblings, friends, colleagues and local community are grieving.
          To Mr. Flegg and the media, as constituents and citizens, we encourage concerned community interest in our Justice system. Community interest in this case belies a greater human concern for justice to be done; it shows healthy community values are alive and well.

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          1. Derogatory terminology. Derogatory behavior. Derogatory suggestions regarding suicide. Derogatory remarks by the accused (or whoever is pretending to be the accused on FB) regarding the character of the victim.
            Isn’t that the very stuff the accused tried to use to discredit the victim? The matter was supposed to simply fade away, with the help of a few derogatory remarks. No, not just fade away, but ensure the accused walked away a free man, an innocent man, and a man with a big wad of money.
            As Caro has pointed out, I believe the Community is made of sterner stuff. Better and healthier stuff. The stuff that has galvanized a Community into action and words and concern for Justice.

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            1. Yep QCL – Flegg what an ugly man you are inside & out. Your choice of words speaks volumes of your attitude. I would expect the term “sticky-beaking” to appear in a flood story. Where’s the compassion you mongrel?! You too just want “things to be normal, business as usual?” Any particular reason why you chose to give a direct response to the media, instead of an appropriately worded statement via your media & communications people?? Shouldn’t this man be up to his eyeballs in corruption matters?

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              1. What should make headlines, IMO
                OK Not just now.
                The accused, a high profile Brookfield businessman……
                (Take two, that is inappropriate, false and may be regarded slanderous )
                The accused, a high profile Brookfield person who wore business clothes including cuff links, and whose motto appeared to be “Your money in my Pocket” called himself a business man.
                It appears that people believed him.
                The accused projected himself an Accountant, although no record has been found showing that he finished the Accountancy course.
                The accused appears to be an exalted Con Artist with a flair for extortion. A glorified Confidence person.
                It appears he has managed to screw his business partners well and truly. Sexual innuendos not intended, but may be applicable.
                To date, the number of people the accused has manage to seduce, entice, or extort has not been revealed.
                The accused appears to be a serial adulterer. Though he managed to hide each affair from the next and cause each victim to imagine she was “the one.”
                The accused appeared to cry on camera when he said he was “a little bit hurt” following an accident, but he failed to cry, or show any emotion when asked about his wife.
                At the time of his emotional TV interview, he even dipped his head ever so slightly; but when the search was on for his wife and at her funeral, his head remained upright with a stern countenance, and with a phone apparently glued to his face. Co-incidentally the phone happened to be covering some nasty scratch marks on his face at the same time.

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                1. Cufflinks originated in France in the 1600’s. They were the leader in fashion to their folly as per The Revolution. I thought the English didn’t get along with the French, back in the day.

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                  1. More News Headlines:
                    Normal regular caring people have found their voices, albeit online.
                    (Gee whiz Admin, can you possibly put that word Normal in bold print.)
                    Australia has recently discovered that there is a hitherto unnoticed HUGE army of people who are NORMAL. They appear caring, empathetic, vibrant, contributing, philanthropic, and REAL.
                    They work for a living, they pay taxes, and they love and take pride Australia. They strive to leave this world a better place. They find Injustice despicable.
                    Until now many of these people had never thought their one little voice to be worth anything much in the overall scheme of things. But suddenly: They SPEAK! They have learned the power of the Internet and …wait there’s more:
                    There’s a site: No, two sites, AC and WS : that allow people to speak anonymously, their minds and add their thoughts, insights and conclusions. This is real brainstorming. This is from REAL people, some with real experiences of the very issues that lie at the very heart of this matter.
                    Many of these people never ever thought their one voice counted a jot.
                    But that ONE VOICE turned out to be many voices. And they speak as ONE VOICE. “Truth, Honesty, Integrity, Justice, and Transparency” they cry.

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              2. Furthermore, how is Flegg able to identify between ‘grieving family & friends’ and ‘crime-stickybeaks’…. of course (slaps forehead)… he reads about it on this & WS site. Please drop by often Flegg – would hate for you to miss any of these posts!

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              3. I think a flood story or bush fire with loss of life where the local community is involved is not stickybeaking. People may watch it on the news but the local community helps. I think stickybeaking reminds of a nosy gossipy neighbour. He was a neighbour in this tragic event.

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                1. Sorry Sunset, just clarifying what I meant – in my mind I was thinking of coverage in local rag about increased street traffic when minor flooding occurred here locally (just roads affected, not homes or people). We took our son for a drive around Bne flood areas after it had subsided & appropriate to do so to help us understand the scale & impact of it. His daddy was part of the Rocklea mud army (The word he used to describe the BMW’s that rolled by causing waves & stirring snakes wasn’t anywhere near polite as ‘sticky-beaks’ lol). Either way, being a Mrs Jessop or Esme Watson was more my line of thought 🙂

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                  1. Posts starting to appear out of whack again. I am replying here in the small reply box at the end of Spy Hop’s post instead of the Big Reply Box at the bottom of the page.

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                    1. Interesting article. Partially answers my vexatious question: What causes a beautiful intelligent successful girl to marry a dropkick, drongo …..
                      Funny thing, all these years I was looking at the question from the girl’s perspective. Never thought to look at it from HIS perspective! Derrr…

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                    2. Yes, good article QCL with lots of relevance to Allison’s story. Some men are attracted to successful women, only to knock them down. The woman wants peace at home, so puts up with the insults and down-putting. These guys seem expert at getting their way, plotting and cunning, but their biggest fear is the woman will leave them. They always have to have the last say – well maybe Allison DID have the last say, leaving a trail of scratch marks all over GBC. I’ve often wondered if it was a decision by Allison to leave the ‘dropkick’, that resulted in her death that night. Apart from the money that is.

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                    3. I have been thinking about the female in the link above. She was even so considerate to require the job be clean and quick. How thoughtful.
                      (Hi Dan, ICanCU, JJE and all the boys here!)
                      And at one stage she even appeared to almost shed a tear lest her darling husband be hurt. Rehearsal perhaps for the “soon to be” grieving widow.
                      Back to matters at hand right here:
                      Couldn’t help thinking about he who was just “a little bit hurt, but OK now” along with his side kick, who at the recent Court appearance managed to secure an interview, during which she remembered to say with emotion “I loved Allison…etc.. blah…and blah”
                      Again, consider the sweet looking thing in the video link above, her pretty smile, almost seductive, her straight forwardness, and her dark black heart.

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                    4. Yes. Never judge a book by its cover, nor a facade. That is why life can be complicated….if only we had physic radars in our gene pools.

                      It is scary indeed to think of the multitude of physchological issues/personality disorders that exist and the percentage of human beings with same. The really evil capacities which only reveal themselves under threat, when challenged, or if an individual can’t control their environment and those around them can be deadly. They may lay dormant for a very long time but when they appear, the venom that strikes showing their true colours can end in disaster.

                      Some current research I am doing talks about the first 2 years of a child’s life being the most important contribution to their development socially, emotionally and intellectually. I was aware that the first 5 years were assumed crucial, but when it is narrowed down to the first 2, it shows the importance of such a short period of time. The main factor in this 2 years, according to what I have read, is the connectedness and availability of the child’s mother. Remembering also that the male child receives only the X chromosome from the mother, the dominant indicator of their developing intelligence.

                      It is interesting to know also that we can’t just consider the nurture/nature debate with respect to a child’s outcome but also ecology.

                      Thankfully Allison’s 3 girls had her full connectedness for those early years of their life, and now appear to be in the most loving, caring and nurturing environment that could be asked for, so may they grow stronger and the not-so positive influences in their lives (as in human beings) will fade away. However, the death of their beautiful mother, at the ends of their father will no doubt cast a shadow over them always.

                      As a sticky-beaker, I can only will them strength and wish them health and happiness.

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                    5. OMG! She is only 20. Goes to show there are both male and female psychopaths. Classic example she only cries for herself and wants one more week with him for herself – she has no regard for his life whatsoever; to her it does not matter if he is killed – he’s only useful for the $400,000 insurance payout that she want to get. God help us. What are we doing as a society to raise such detatched beings who see others as disposable and their death as a means for financial gain?

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                    6. This sounds deliciously like something MM would love to get her teeth into, QCL. All the ingredients I need are available – shall make a feast of it over the weekend, thanks.

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                    7. I would like to address that vexatious matter from my own point of view.
                      Apologies if this is boring to some, but I have so appreciated the contributions from others regarding this matter, and to date not thrown my own hat into the ring!
                      I was fortunate that my Father was a very good man. He was a good provider for his family. He was one who could be relied on. He was strong and brave and fearless. I knew that no harm would come to us if our Father was about. He was strict and taught us great respect. Our upbringing was clean. The home situation was humble. The rules of honesty integrity justice and sound morals were upheld. Not preached, simply lived. It was Father who supplied all things good; food shelter and clothing. Together with a love and interest for the Australian bush. An education at boarding school was provided even though “things were tough.” (I bet both parents went without in order to achieve this goal. Providing a sound education on which the child could build.)
                      My Father worked hard for a living and was independent.
                      I suppose I revered my Father to a degree. Certainly, I was proud of him and his achievements.
                      I suppose I thought that all males were like my Father.
                      I was very naïve.
                      And I hadn’t seen or known any males who were any different.
                      And therein lies a problem.
                      This coincidently, is where I feel great empathy for the beautiful lady Allison Dickie.

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                    8. Oh QCL that is exactly why these girls make such good victims.
                      They just expect those men who profess to love them, to treat them the same as their darling Dads. And for the first little while, they might. But after a while, they can’t hide their True Selves. By this time, they have also worn you down so much that you think you are in fact as useless as they say. They have managed to distance you or alienate you from your friends and family, who would otherwise provide you support and rational perspective.
                      And because these lovely girls have no experience with dark hearts and minds, they believe, they don’t suspect, and they try and try and try, and they HOPE..because it’s the right, and honourable Thing To Do.
                      After all. Til death do us part…

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                    9. Yes, yes, yes, and yes, to every single point you raise Tishy. And yes, I believe it can be as simple as that.

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                    10. Yeah … IMO it was also his ability to deceive and project what she and her parents wanted to see – so that he could secure ‘Miss Brisbane’ as his own ‘trophy’. Hypothetically she brought her internalised ‘map’ of significant male relationships to the mix, and he brought his internalised ‘map’ of significant female relationships to the mix… and therein lies the complexities and conflicts within the relationship mix. After a while, trophies get put on the shelf. There seems to have been a significant mis-match which resisted ‘adjustment’ and emphasised the ‘differences’ over time. What were goals for one became ‘anti-goals’ for the other, etc.Divorce can be a healthy solution in such a scenario which allows growth. All in my opinion only.

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                    11. Caro, I believe that the “Trophy wife” was highly significant to the Narcissist husband later the Malignant Narcissist. All IMO.
                      “The narcissist with a trophy wife goes around praising her beauty. If she’s smart, he praises her brains. He’s aggrandizing himself by association with her. And at the expense of everyone not good enough to win a trophy wife like his. He’ll likewise aggrandize himself by association with some important person he knows, praising that person everywhere he goes to name-drop.”

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                    12. 20 Traits of Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder – Aimoo
                      forum2.aimoo.com › … › THE NARCISSIST

                      1. THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR is skillfully deceptive and very convincing. Avoids accountability by diverting topics, dodging questions, and making up new lies, bluffs or threats when questioned. His memory is self serving as he denies past statements. Constant chaos and diverting from reality is their chosen environment.
                      Defense Strategy: Verify his words. Do not reveal anything about yourself – he’ll use it against you. Head for the door when things don’t add up. Don’t ask him questions – you’ll only be inviting more lies.

                      2. THE CONTRACT BREAKER agrees to anything then turns around and does the opposite. Marriage, Legal, Custody agreements, normal social/personal protocol are meaningless. This con artist will accuse you of being the contract breaker. Enjoys orchestrating legal action and playing the role of the ‘poor me’ victim.
                      Defense Strategy: Expect him to disregard any agreement. Have Plan B in place. Protect yourself financially and emotionally.

                      3. THE HIGH ROLLER Successfully plows and backstabs his way to the top. His family a disposable prop in his success facade. Is charismatic, eloquent and intelligent in his field, but often fakes abilities and credentials. Needs to have iron-fisted control, relying on his manipulation skills. Will ruthlessly support, exploit or target others in pursuit of his ever-changing agenda. Mercilessly abuses the power of his position. Uses treachery or terrorism to rule or govern. Potential problem or failure situations are delegated to others. A vindictive bully in the office with no social or personal conscience. Often suspicious and paranoid. Others may support him to further their own Mephistophelian objectives, but this wheeler-dealer leaves them holding the bag. Disappears quickly when consequences loom.
                      Defense Strategy: Keep your references and resume up to date. Don’t get involved in anything illegal. Document thoroughly to protect yourself. Thwarting them may backlash with a cascade of retaliation. Be on the lookout and spot them running for office and vote them out. Educate yourself about corporate bullies

                      4. THE SEXUAL NARCISSIST is often hypersexual (male or female). Pornography, masturbation, incest are reported by his targets. Anything, anyone, young, old, male/female, are there for his gratification. This predator takes what is available. Can have a preference for ‘sado-maso’ sexuality. Often easily bored, he demands increasingly deviant stimulation. However, another behaviour exists, the one who withholds sex or emotional support.
                      Defense Strategy: Expect this type to try to degrade you. Get away from him. Expect him to tell lies about your sexuality to evade exposure of his own.

                      5. THE BLAME-GAME NARCISSIST never accepts responsibility. Blames others for his failures and circumstances. A master at projection.
                      Defense Strategy: Learn about projection. Don’t take the bait when he blames you. He made the mess, let him clean it up.

                      6. THE VIOLENT NARCISSIST is a wife-Beater, Murderer, Serial Killer, Stalker, Terrorist. Has a ‘chip-on-his-shoulder’ attitude. He lashes out and destroys or uses others (particularly women and children) as scapegoats for his aggression or revenge. He has poor impulse control. Fearless and guiltless, he shows bad judgement. He anticipates betrayal, humiliation or punishment, imagines rejection and will reject first to ‘get it over with’. He will harass and push to make you pay attention to him and get a reaction. He will try to make you look out of control. Can become dangerous and unpredictable. Has no remorse or regard for the rights of others.
                      Defense Strategy: Don’t antagonize or tip your hand you’re leaving. Ask for help from the police and shelters.

                      7. THE CONTROLLER/MANIPULATOR pits people against each other. Keeps his allies and targets separated. Is verbally skillful at twisting words and actions. Is charismatic and usually gets his way. Often undermines our support network and discourages us from seeing our family and friends. Money is often his objective. Other people’s money is even better. He is ruthless, demanding and cruel. This control-freak bully wants you pregnant, isolated and financially dependent on him. Appears pitiful, confused and in need of help. We rush in to help him with our finances, assets, and talents. We may be used as his proxy interacting with others on his behalf as he sets us up to take the fall or enjoys the performance he is directing.
                      Defense Strategy: Know the ‘nature of the beast’. Facing his failure and consequences will be his best lesson. Be suspicious of his motives, and avoid involvement. Don’t bail him out.

                      8. THE SUBSTANCE ABUSER Alcohol, drugs, you name it, this N does it. We see his over-indulgence in food, exercise or sex and his need for instant gratification. Will want you to do likewise.
                      Defense Strategy: Don’t sink to his level. Say No.

                      9. OUR “SOUL MATE” is cunning and knows who to select and who to avoid. He will come on strong, sweep us off our feet. He seems to have the same values, interests, goals, philosophies, tastes, habits. He admires our intellect, ambition, honesty and sincerity. He wants to marry us quickly. He fakes integrity, appears helpful, comforting, generous in his ‘idealization’ of us phase. It never lasts. Eventually Jekyll turns into Hyde. His discarded victims suffer emotional and financial devastation. He will very much enjoy the double-dipping attention he gets by cheating. We end the relationship and salvage what we can, or we are discarded quickly as he attaches to a “new perfect soul mate”. He is an opportunistic parasite. Our “Knight in Shining Armor” has become our nightmare. Our healing is lengthy.
                      Defense Strategy: Seek therapy. Learn about this disorder. Know the red flags of their behaviour, and “If he seems too good to be true…” Hide the hurt you feel. Never let him see it. Be watchful for the internet predator.

                      10. THE QUIET NARCISSIST is socially withdrawn, often dirty, unkempt. Odd thinking is observed. Used as a disguise to appear pitiful to obtain whatever he can.

                      11. THE SADIST is now the fully-unmasked malignant narcissist. His objective is watching us dangle as he inflicts emotional, financial, physical and verbal cruelty. His enjoyment is all too obvious. He’ll be back for more. His pleasure is in getting away with taking other people’s assets. His target: women, children, the elderly, anyone vulnerabie.
                      Defense Strategy: Accept the Jekyll/Hyde reality. Make a “No Contact’ rule. Avoid him altogether. End any avenue of vulnerability. Don’t allow thoughts of his past ‘good guy’ image to lessen the reality of his disorder.

                      12. THE RAGER flies off the handle for little or no provocation. Has a severely disproportionate overreaction. Childish tantrums. His rage can be intimidating. He wants control, attention and compliance. In our hurt and confusion we struggle to make things right. Any reaction is his payoff. He seeks both good or bad attention. Even our fear, crying, yelling, screaming, name calling, hatred are his objectives. If he can get attention by cruelty he will do so.
                      Defense Strategy: Manage your responses. Be fully independent. Don’t take the bait of his verbal abuse. Expect emotional hurt. Volence is possible.

                      13. THE BRAINWASHER is very charismatic. He is able to manipulate others to obtain status, control, compliance, money, attention. Often found in religion and politics. He masterfully targets the naive, vulnerable, uneducated or mentally weak.
                      Defense Strategy. Learn about brainwashing techniques. Listen to your gut instinct. Avoid them.

                      14. THE RISK-TAKING THRILL-SEEKER never learns from his past follies and bad judgment. Poor impulse control is a hallmark.
                      Defense Strategy: Don’t get involved. Use your own good judgement. Say No.

                      15. THE PARANOID NARCISSIST is suspicious of everything usually for no reason. Terrified of exposure and may be dangerous if threatened. Suddenly ends relationships if he anticipates exposure or abandonment.
                      Defense Strategy: Give him no reason to be suspicious of you. Let some things slide. Protect yourself if you anticipate violence.

                      16. THE IMAGE MAKER will flaunt his ‘toys’, his children, his wife, his credentials and accomplishments. Admiration, attention, even glances from others, our envy or our fear are his objective. He is never satisfied. We see his arrogance and haughty strut as he demands center stage. He will alter his mask at will to appear pitiful, inept, solicitous, concerned, or haughty and superior. Appears the the perfect father, husband, friend – to those outside his home.
                      Defense Strategy: Ignore his childlike behaviours. Know his payoff is getting attention, deceiving or abusing others. Provide him with ‘supply’ to avert problems.

                      17. THE EMOTIONAL VACUUM is the cruellest blow of all. We learn his lack of empathy. He has deceived us by his cunning ability to mimic human emotions. We are left numbed by the realization. It is incomprehensible and painful. We now remember times we saw his cold vacant eyes and when he showed odd reactions. Those closest to him become objectified and expendable.
                      Defense Strategy: Face the reality. They can deceive trained professionals.

                      18. THE SAINTLY NARCISSIST proclaims high moral standing. Accuses others of immorality. “Hang ’em high” he says about the murderer on the 6:00 news. This hypocrite lies, cheats, schemes, corrupts, abuses, deceives, controls, manipulates and torments while portraying himself of high morals.
                      Defense Strategy: Learn the red flags of behaviour. Be suspicious of people claiming high morals. Can be spotted at a church near you.

                      19. THE CALLING-CARD NARCISSIST forewarns his targets. Early in the relationship he may ‘slip up’ revealing his nature saying “You need to protect yourself around me” or “Watch out, you never know what I’m up to.” We laugh along with him and misinterpret his words. Years later, coping with the devastation left behind, his victims recall the chilling warning.
                      Defense Strategy: Know the red flags and be suspicious of the intentions of others.

                      20. THE PENITENT NARCISSIST says “I’ve behaved horribly, I’ll change, I love you, I’ll go for therapy.” Appears to ‘come clean’ admitting past abuse and asking forgiveness. Claims we are at fault and need to change too. The sincerity of his words and actions appear convincing. We learn his words are verbal hooks. He knows our vulnerabilities and what buttons to push. We question our judgement about his disorder. We can disregard “Fool me once…” We hope for change and minimize past abuse. With a successful retargeting attempt, this N will enjoy his second reign of terror even more if we allow him back in our lives.
                      Defense Strategy: Expect this. Self-impose a “No Contact” rule. Focus on the reality of his disorder. Journal past abusive behavior to remind yourself.

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                    13. Recognize anybody familiar?
                      And we wonder why so many people have been duped?
                      Including people in high places…….?
                      Including lawyers…….?
                      Including trained professionals….?
                      Including business partners…..?
                      Including partners…. both lawfully wedded…. and others?

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                    14. Yes, I just read this article, very interesting indeed CS. The author states that his controlling behaviour sign of a weak character and low self-esteem.

                      Among other things, he says psychologists are reluctant to ‘take narcissists on’ as people with NPD always believe they know better, and are hopeless with marriage guidance counselling for that reason (poor Allison.)

                      It’s chilling that he states they cannot be trusted and to ‘watch out’ if you don’t adore them! They use people for their own self-gratification and self-worth and his advice is resoundingly, if you meet someone with NPD run away from them! Apparently most people with the disorder are extremely self-unaware, and the author has vowed never to enter another relationship and destroy another partner. It also explains why they would have few few/no friends as they use people and move on when they no longer need them.

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                    15. SFA, thought I’d add this as well because it is relevant to the case

                      The Narcissistic Parent
                      Narcissists make deplorably bad parents. They are too focused on themselves to find children anything but an annoyance or a way to increase admiration and power. Many narcissists become parents either by accident or for some ill-thought out self-serving purpose.

                      Narcissists have two faces — the one they wear in public, and the one they wear at home. Only those close to the narcissist have any idea there is more than one face. And the narcissist’s children know best of all, because children – those who have the least power – are the ones the narcissist allows him or herself to be the least guarded around. A frequent frustration of children of narcissists is that everyone else thinks their mother or father is the most wonderful person ever, while at home their children suffer in silence with their parent’s tantrums, disinterest and put-downs — this is clearly NOT the most wonderful person if you truly know them — not even close.

                      Narcissistic parents view and treat their children only as extensions or reflections of themselves. They see their children the way an advertiser sees a sign by the side of the road – as something to put their name on and use to build themselves up, or as something someone else is responsible for that they can ignore if they aren’t interested.

                      Some narcissistic parents are controlling and engulf their children. Others simply ignore their children and wish they would go away. However, all narcissistic parents fail to treat their children as authentic individuals who have their own unique characteristics and needs. Narcissists treat their children as mere blank screens for projecting their own internal “movies” onto.

                      There are narcissistic parents who deny their children’s existence by insisting their children be and do what THEY want, and there are those who deny their children’s existence by simply ignoring their children altogether. (Many narcissistic parents do both alternately, depending on which circumstances serve them best.)

                      Because narcissists’ families are centered around the whims and wishes of a truly self-centered parent, they are highly dysfunctional and do not allow children to question the parent or express their needs. Most narcissists treat their children badly in a few key ways — emotional abuse, excessive parental control and parental neglect are all typical of narcissistic parents.

                      Narcissists cannot see their actual children and do not accept their needs. The narcissistic father who looks at his son and sees not an active, athletic little boy who is brilliantly gifted in sports and outdoor activities who needs more playtime, but an inanimate lump of clay he will shape into a doctor to brag about is just one of many examples of narcissistic parenting. (The reverse is often true as well; whatever the parent values takes priority.) The narcissistic mother who criticizes and hides behind a veneer of martyrdom when her child needs her support is another common manifestation of a narcissistic parent.

                      Narcissists typically treat their children as if they’re not good enough, and yet when the child does do well, the parent will either ignore and deny the event or take all the credit for it. (A common exception to the general rule of being treated as inferior is the treatment of the family “golden child”, whom the narcissistic parent will treat as exceptional, superior and entitled.)

                      It’s not uncommon for narcissists to be somewhat more agreeable as parents when their children are younger and easier to control. Many children of narcissistic parents report that their parents weren’t as emotionally abusive when the children were young preschoolers – or were pre-adolescents. Some narcissists pay plenty of attention to small children, who make excellent captive audiences that narcissists find fun to impress and manipulate, only to completely turn away from (or turn against) those same children in later years. However, some narcissists dislike all children on the whole and have no interest in them at any age. To these narcissists, all children are viewed as nothing but an annoyance.

                      Narcissists don’t like to be questioned and don’t want to deal with children who can stand up for themselves. It’s common for some narcissistic parents to become more abusive toward their children when the children reach the age of reason (about 7 years old) or when the children enter into puberty, which many of these parents find very psychologically threatening.

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                    16. Thank you Captain for posting the extremely relevant articles.
                      I have been given a sudden jolt by it.
                      Jocelyn Frost Statement: “G had a very bad temper with his children. I remember on a couple of different times that he had told me that he had belted them.”
                      Philip Broom’s statement: “As family they use field signals. Field signals are sign gestures that G uses with his children. G told me that he touches the girls on the leg and that means its adult talking time and they were not to interrupt. There are good kids and there are quiet kids and there are obedient servient type kids which is what G’s girls are like. The girls are abnormally quiet.”
                      Regarding how G got into this situation (referring to personal life and affairs) and G said something like “It’s a bit like being a baby shaker: You don’t think you’re a baby shaker until you’re caught shaking a baby.”
                      (Note: Servient is spelled serviant in the written statement.)

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                    17. Philip Broom Statement:
                      G’s relationship is very unique. His mother is very protective of G. They are a family where what you see isn’t what you get.
                      The family is very much about legacy.
                      I was told that when they came to Australia they came with a surname of CLAY and had it changed to B-C.
                      His father N is a great a guy but I think there is a very manipulative side to him……”

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                    18. Just going over those Court Documents again and picked up a revelation.
                      After Philip Broom returned to Australia He received a phone call from N looking for some signs. He made a comment like I hope this is the end of the shenanigans. ……..
                      “I was led to believe that he had borrowed money against a property he and Allison had on the Gold Coast in order to pay his parents back.”

                      Is this the reason the property was sold?
                      To pay his parents back?
                      Did N orchestrate this sale? And all the shenanigans associated with it? ASIC changes being one. Somehow removing Allison’s name from ownership of property being another….
                      I do wish Yoshi would drop by sometimes…. Would love to hear his take on the legality or otherwise of that sale.

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                    19. All too many nasty actions, which can’t be forgotten…one almost feels like making up some large public signs, listing all the evil deeds to refresh the memories of those who would prefer for it all to vanish into nothingness. Doesn’t work that way for normal, civilized, law-abiding citizens.

                      Maybe there has been some interbreeding along the way, which has kind of screwed up the physiology and cognitive capacities of those involved and who are devoid of a conscience.

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                    20. Neil Cameron (computer analyst) Statement:
                      Item 91: From the Apple MacBook Pro Laptop
                      File creation date 19 April .2012
                      A self taken photo “IMG_0415. JPG”
                      The subject? A photo taken from the waist up. The picture appears to a self taken photo.
                      The date 19/04/2012 at 9.29am.
                      The time 9:29am: IF that time is UTC or GMT, then AEST is 7:29pm (Add 10 hours)
                      At either time, why is the subject requiring he take a self portrait from the waist up?
                      I am writing this partly in relation the Narcissist issue which is being addressed here today, and partly due to wondering if the subject has any “caterpillar” scratch marks at that time.
                      The subject is referred to as a male person. There is no other description of the photo.
                      Why take a photo of self from the waist up?

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                    21. UTC “Coordinated Universal Time” or “Under The Counter Time”
                      GMT Greenwich Mean Time
                      AEST Australian Eastern Standard Time (No daylight saving applicable) Queensland.
                      (Add 10 hours to UTC or GMT to calculate AEST.)

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                    22. Hi QCL, I remember that statement too, I posted a link at the time to narcissistic parents. I knew early on(as did many others) that he presented as a narcissist. The only thing for certain is that the yelling would have stopped for the kids once they were in the Dickie’s custody. The beauty of silence and peace has a major impact on people leaving this sort of environment, they appreciate the little things in life. However very few leave that environment at the expense of their mother’s life.

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                    23. Aye Captain. It is a terrible tragedy that it cost the life of their mother to remove them from that situation.
                      I was a bit surprised that your first post today re the Narcissist of the News article indicated that the narcissist actually admitted his station. He does not appear to be hiding anything or trying to deny anything. Is he just an “honest” narcissist?
                      Do all narcissists have the ability to see themselves in their true light?

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                    24. Hi QCL, there is no such thing as an honest narcissist, they simply don’t exist, they are evil. It’s hard to guage from just a newspaper article but I would guess that just being in the paper is feeding his ego. QCL’s itemized list is very accurate, particularly to those here that have experienced narcissists. Just to repost something I said in the early days and that is we are all narcissists in some way in our late teens and early 20’s, we have grand illusions and dreams of becoming someone we idolize, the vast majority of us have these dreams reshaped by reality, the narcissists don’t. My favourite saying in personal life is “reality is everyone’s best friend” – there is a reason for that.

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                    25. Maybe I have a problem with ‘trust’ but when I read the article by a supposed (anonymous) narcissist, I thought that it was perhaps a clever person outlining how a real narcissist might reflect and rationalise their life, mistakes and pain inflicted on others, if they hadn’t been genetically produced as one.

                      Very difficult to comprehend that a narcissist would have such insight into themselves, life, love, relationships etc and be able to articulate it as painted in the article in question. Just my opinion. Maybe the ‘self-acknowledged narcissist’ had been through the process of a brain transplant, or it was put out there to highlight, spell out, bring to the notice of those who have lived with a narcissist that they haven’t gone mad, are a ‘good’ person, as opposed to being a loser, dumb, overweight, worthless or useless, and driven to question their sanity etc as a result of living in the same environment as a person so unhealthy who has cast their evil spell, on a daily basis. Hard for a civilised, intelligent and kind person to get their head around that, especially if they have had no prior experience of such behaviour and therefore not ‘forewarned and forearmed.

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                    26. Donggg….donnggggg…….donnngggg

                      My ears ring from the constant shouting, the spirited defences from the treetops by multiple friends, co-workers, acquaintances…not

                      The bell tolls for thee, GBC

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                    27. Evening Tishy, little fish seems to be a little slow tonight and maybe something has been lost in translation or your post appeared as a response to mine, when it was in fact a random thought….

                      I am neither suffering from paranoid schizophrenia nor delusional but wondered if you might expand upon how my post led to your thought process, if indeed it did.

                      Smiles sent your way.

                      By the way, how does the system of deciding court dates work and is it just a limbo thing until some wigged, needing to be bowed-to-individual, or a public-servant dictate same. Just curious. Does every day that passes allow the prosecution more time to explore or assist the defense to concoct. A little bit recockulous and must be very difficult for the family of victims….the waiting, waiting, waiting, extending their agony.

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                    28. Evening Little Fish – good to hear about your mental health and smiling demeanour tonight.

                      What does “recockulous” mean? Sounds like a great word, and I may also “be a little slow tonight,” but would love to add it to my repertoire once I understand its definition. Please share!

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                    29. And another response goes astray, let’s try again
                      Recockulus is the most AWESOME word
                      In my autocorrect it came up as rectus kilos lol

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                    30. Yep Tishy – and in the Aussie vernacular, I think you’ll find that “rectus kilos” equates to “shitting bricks.”

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                    31. LOL GHS, your mind was clearly in the same gutter as mine, maybe a few kilos of said bricks…Little Fishy if seaweed icounts as a Vegetable then L’il Tishy would be needing a glass or three of Cardonnay to wash it down for sure haha
                      Maybe I have tinnitus from hearing GBC’s bell tolling….

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                    32. Hi SFA. Yes we are all here! But the posts are appearing of whack again. Maybe too many for this thread. For your post to appear at the last, you have to post at the small reply box belonging to the last post, instead of the big reply box. Yes, that is not how it normally works.

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                    33. Had to test the days360 function in spreadshead at work, 395 days behind bars for the Gerb today or 395 days on the run for the caterpillar facing assault charges – hopefully the caterpillar won’t get a cramp.

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                    34. I hope that savage caterpillar with needle sharp teeth is still attached to his very small genitals. AND STILL BITING, STINGING & SCRATCHING.

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                    35. You know what? I reckon it is unfair to lump a poor old catapillar in the same camp as a suspected cold-blooded killer… He drew an innocent, unsuspecting thing into a delusional
                      world, like he did himan beings. Also, I think of those words ‘just when the catapillar thought its life was over, it turned into….?. The ending lies in the hands of the prosecution, the defense, the truth, justice and ‘the law’ as we are currently exposed to and expected to adhere to.

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                    36. @ Captain Struggles

                      Thanks for your post about narcissistic parents. It’s the best description I’ve ever seen. So much so, I’ve saved it

                      It’s true in every word

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                    37. Trapped? If he cared about money he would have stolen more of it; maybe even killed a couple of people to get their money. No. If he cared about his freedom he could have abandoned his family and fled the country. No. If he felt guilty about what he had done he could have found Jesus or simply killed himself. No. The thing he cared about more than anything else was his identity, and the ones who reflected that identity back to him were his family. They had to go.

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                    38. Ha Little Fishy, rest assured you are certainly not paranoid or delusional, my very random thought has for some weird-ass reason appeared as a response to your incisive and so very accurate summary.
                      Just thinking about the legion of long-term dear friends, the lack of voices clamouring ‘oh, no, you have it all wrong, he is no narcissist!! he is a Wonderful Person, kind, truthful, respectful. It is impossible that he would commit a crime so heinous!!’

                      One voice, crying in the Wilderness, that of the Crackpot Sister.
                      Does that count, I wonder?

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                    39. Little fish might be enjoying nibbling on the seaweed as you Tishy, hopefully.

                      Killing 2 birds with the one stone… And in answer to another poster regarding a word in my vocabulary…. ‘Recockulous’ is a bit like Kath and Kim’s ‘Cardonay’ and ‘pack of chunts’, or being effluent as opposed to affluent… Rather than redic-ulous, we have re-cock-ulous…. Just a bit of fun really in a not-so-fun situation.

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    2. Tib2 that is an extraordinarily sad and scary situation to have found yourself in! Thank goodness you survived, escaped and prospered.

      Did he loose his murderous nerve and fled or did you flee immediately. I wondered the difference between survival in your case, and death for Allison… Did the man involved in your situation discover his conscience or where you able to call police?

      I am very happy to know you are safe and well.

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  36. I don’t know why but I’m having strange feelings tonight. I can’t get Allison out of my mind. I feel the BC’s have been up to something dire. Some news soon Maybe? I’m not normally like this……..
    We know Jill Meagher threatened to call the police so he murdered her. Did Allison do the same? I didn’t. I stayed calm, pretended it didn’t happen but by the next morning I had my plans in action for a safe life with my children.
    Hopefully helpful or is this OT? WS would have deleted these posts for sure.

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    1. A terrifying experience; so glad you were the lucky one and you have shared your experience here to help shine a light on possibilities to consider in Allison’s case. IMO a few lessons can be learned about signs and how to read a situation; how to stay calm, but plan your exit quietly. Some hypothesise that Allison may have woken up, hence the terrified screams in the night – only to be finished off down near Rafting Ground Road area.

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  37. Dear Tibby, Thank you for sharing your story with us. I can’t begin to imagine how terrible for you.
    Your story sounds awfully like Allison’s with GBC and TM on the sideline. The difference being you survived to tell your tale.
    You spelled out some interesting signs and symptoms with your story.
    The first was the subtle changes. Then the fact you were the last to suspect anything serious or even sinister. Oh the benefit of hindsight!
    The fact you believed his reassuring words of “love”. Wife is generally the last person to know.
    The scenario you painted re divorce or death, and the cost factors involved were frightful.
    Hint, there usually is another woman involved when a man starts this sort of behavior.
    Not the trying to kill you behavior, just the subtle changes. The trying to kill you stuff might have been the machinations of the other woman. Unless he was of a devious crooked mentality himself.
    Lots of love, and hugs and warm wishes to you Tibby.

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    1. “It is inappropriate to comment on any case before the court in such a public forum. AG Team”
      Gulp! Who is running this show?
      Crikey! Anybody who posts there breaches their own privacy, and yet he is more considerate for the accused. To date the accused has managed to accomplish quite a bit from behind bars, including ASIC changes and selling property, and messaging his children. Business as usual indeed.
      Funny thing the accused in my opinion demonstrates complete lack of empathy together with a polished ability to fob people off at his discretion. Now why am I thinking about that when I look at Jarrod Bleijie’s profile and replies regarding this matter?

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      1. Hi QCL,

        I agree with you, well said.

        Notice they sign off as “AG Team”.

        It would be great if he spent less time networking and took care of real matters.

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      2. Dear QCL – spot on!!

        Which is exactly why I continue to urge all to raise this with individual members of the media fraternity. But this will be my last plea in that regard, as I seem to be ‘flogging a dead horse’ with this suggestion.

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        1. No GHS. You are definitely not “flogging a dead horse.”
          Some horses just take some extra preparation. Flog on!

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            1. Good on you Ozmosis – but those wheels turn VERRRRRY slowly….

              The journos may be a better bet.

              There’s no doubt in my mind that there is a decent story to be had – I would have hoped that the likes of those previously mentioned (i.e. more ‘investigative’ than ‘shock jock’) may have made it their business to investigate.

              But if it has to be ‘tabloid TV’ to have the questions aired, then so be it.

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          1. Well said, dear QCL.

            People need to click into things.

            GBH, thank you sooooooooooo much for the contact names.

            Here they are:

            —————————————————

            Alison Sandy
            Police and courts editor
            Phone: 07 3666 6204
            Email: sandya@qnp.newsltd.com.au
            Twitter: alisonsandy

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            Steve Austin

            http://www.abc.net.au/profiles/content/s1857207.htm?site=brisbane
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            Madonna King

            mk@madonnaking.com.au; @madonnamking on Twitter

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            Hedley Thomas:

            Email: thomash@theaustralian.com.au

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            1. You are a champion Admin!

              But not Steven Scott – he is busily ensconced with Kevin at the moment.

              I meant Steve Austin (mornings on 612 ABC Brisbane) – he is no fool, and the politicians in Qld are well aware of the influence he can wield in providing the listening public with both his views, and the answers (or lack thereof) from the likes of JB (I think the AG is a frequent interviewee in Steve Austin’s time slot)

              Thank you again Admin – we may just make some progress after all.

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        2. Oi! GBS… Didn’t anticipate you being a quitter from the profile I have deduced from your word story along this journey. Could you please clarify whether that bloody disobedient dead horse you are tired of flogging is the actual media itself, or fellow bloggers you perceive as displaying apathy? Just asking…

          “One of the most common causes of failure is the habit of quitting when one is overtaken by temporary defeat.” ~ Napoleon Hill

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      3. This seems to be a political deflection IMO. Constitutents are asking for transparency about expensive & extraordinary Legal Aid funding for elite legal representation to one alleged murderer in the state of QLD. Constitutents are not asking for the AG to comment on the case before the Courts.

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          1. Err… sorry. It’s just Spyhop (callmespyhop is my wordpress account name as Spyhop was already taken – forgot to click ‘name change’ option before posting)

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        1. Precisely Caro!

          And let’s not mince words – ‘constituents’ is just a fancier way of saying ‘taxpayers.’

          Until someone can say otherwise, we hapless ordinary law-abiding citizens would appear to be the suckers who are going to have to pay for top brass legal representation.

          Not something to which your ‘common or garden’ resident of Arthur Gorrie has access on the public teat.

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        2. Thanks, Caro, that was pointed out to Jarrod’s friend backing him up – of course it wasn’t addressed by Jarrod and “AG Team”.

          Perhaps you may like to comment on the site?

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          1. This “inappropriate to comment on matters before the court” is proving quite convenient for pollies isn’t it? Until the AG declares otherwise, I’m going to assume that he is indeed either a relative or associate of GBC’s. Speak up Jarrod if we have this wrong.

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  38. It’s highly probable the accessories are/have already shifted their money/assets so they qualify for legal aid too.

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    1. Aye Captain, I reckon the Cheeseman would be doing some creative accounting. (I wonder what really lies behind the smiling Facebook profile pics of Mr & Mrs Cheese eh??). If the qualifying assessment is anything like the ones that allow a hotel entrepreneur to pay $10/wk child support or a husband & wife doctor team who’s children receive Austudy (just plucking a couple of examples I know of)…. then yes, us taxpayers may as well bend over for that one too! (Sorry for being rude)

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  39. Hello folks

    Yet again my computer skills have failed me.

    I am hoping to forward to you a letter I have sent to a bloke who appears to be a “newbie” reporter insofar as The Courier Mail’s coverage is concerned.

    He has written about the erection of a memorial to Allison at Kholo Creek.

    This is my letter to him this evening. Feel free to join me in encouraging his interest in delving further.

    Dear David

    I write to you about a matter regarding this case.

    My pleas to other journos have fallen upon deaf ears.

    Perhaps you may take up the cudgels in – at the very least – reporting consternation amongst the populace?

    Gerard Baden-Clay lost his team of top barristers/lawyers a few weeks back – either they gave up on him, or he sacked them.

    Then came an application for Legal Aid representation – and lo and behold, he’s managed to snare himself another team of highly prized (and bloody expensive) legal counsel.

    We common folk would like to ask some questions.

    Did Legal Aid (via its Government sponsored existence) agree to allow Gerard Baden-Clay the counsel of his choice (surely not an option open to most applicants seeking taxpayer funded representation?)

    Does the Legal Aid grants committee which determines these matters still have as one of its members Alex Baden-Powell – he appears on their web page – or did he absent himself from the vote?

    If it is Baden-Clay’s contention that he will subsidise Legal Aid’s investment in top priced lawyers via the proceeds of his deceased wife’s insurance policies and/or the property on the Gold Coast that he successfully sold from his cell in Arthur Gorrie, and he is found guilty, will we law-abiding and comparatively boring folk need to pick up the tab?

    There are many people who accept the relevance of Legal Aid representation (even though we pay for it). But the latest round of “prancing Silks” does my head in, particularly if I’m paying for it.

    The Attorney-General, Jarrod Bjelke (sorry, Bleije) won’t respond to these legitimate questions, hiding behind that tired old cliche of “matters before the court cannot be discussed.”

    Bullshit. (sorry) But the expenditure of our money is open to rigorous questioning – no matter who the recipient may be (innocent or guilty will be determined down the track).

    I write to you in the fervent hope that you may be the dogged reporter prepared to ask some very pertinent questions.

    Yours sincerely

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    1. Good letter GHS (except for the reference to Bjelke.)
      Bleijie couldn’t hold a candle to Sir J Bjelke P.

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  40. I googled Flegg after reading the article and notice he’s been caught out taking covert recordings yet he still considers himself to have the capacity and integrity to judge people to be stickybeaks.

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      1. Hi QCL – he’s a failure in sticky-beaking – at least sticky beaks don’t hide – he’s an invisible beak as far as covert recordings go although from what I read about him he seems to be a multi beak in affairs that feather his own nest(pardon the bird theme)

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  41. stickybeak
    verb – to stick your nose into other people’s affairs
    noun Australian Slang.
    a busybody; meddler.
    Noun
    1. an inquisitive person
    Verb
    2. ( intr ) to pry

    A tragic loss of a person in the community is all of our business.

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  42. From the Courier Mail.

    “It’s presented a safety hazard for some time. Main Roads have been to see me a couple of times about it,” Dr Flegg said.

    “They’ve been leaving flowers and just stickybeaking and there’s been family and friends.

    I think if you leave flowers and stay to contemplate Allison, it’s not stickybeaking into anyone’s business. At least he didn’t say loitering, which may be an offense.

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  43. Flegg, you are truly a wanker. If only because you are so dumb, you have completely underestimated how many people your witless rudeness has insulted. And many of them in your electorate. Opened mouth and flapped lips without thinking as usual lol, don’t aspire to anything greater than the middle t which you’ve worked your way up…..

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    1. Well said, Tishy.

      This Flegg has obviously placed himself above his constituents in his electorate, calling everyone “Sticky Beaks”, “Doctor Flegg” it must be great from your lofty heights looking down on everyone!

      You know what a small community your electorate of Moggill, is. That we really, are a country town, with our clubs and community spirit.

      I read you were a GP.

      Where is your compassion, your integrity, your humanness?

      Signed,
      “Sticky Beak”

      Oh wait – when we cross the bridge, we think of Allison’s darling little girls, her family, parents and siblings, her friends, her acquaintances. We look at the flowers that are always there, left lovingly for her. We feel how eerie that bridge is as we cross it, and sometimes, yes, we even shed a tear.

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      1. I re-read the CM article and was again perplexed/concerned/disturbed by the words that are quoted as spilling from the lips of Dr Bruce Flegg.

        The dispassionate spiel delivered by him was as if he were referring to a thing, an object, completely detached from the tragedy of Allison Dickie’s hideous murder. The suspected killer, a man with whom he was intimate (as indicated by visiting the family of the suspected murderer while the victim was dead – her body heartlessly left to the elements under that bridge, alone and discarded like a piece of rubbish; the loan of an Apple IPhone; and the offer of lodgings and a safe haven while no doubt under police suspicion) might have been at the forefront of his mind.

        Are they not meant to be the more intelligent of the species? Doctors, I mean. He really seemed to be stumbling…I think I counted 4 ‘there’s’ in one sentence, no sense of compassion, or inkling of his connectedness, nor any empathy for Allison’s family, friends and non-intimate ‘sticky-beaks’, who might just have a sense of justice, disgust and repulsion following the demise of a fellow human-being, a mother no less, whose death can’t be swept away with the tide and forgotten.

        I think he is in a spot of bother personally and professionally. I guess what goes around, comes around. If one has done nothing wrong, nor has anything to hide, one shouldn’t have anything to fear.

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  44. well Mr F ‘STICKY BEAKS’ ay !!!!
    To be a sticky beak can be a really good thing, sticky beaks can save lives !!! sticky beaks care !!!
    It’s a shame Mr F that late one Thursday night on 19th April when you heard screams you didn’t show more compassion and care for your community to go outside and investigate where those screams were coming from. Maybe if you had of given 5 minutes of your precious time to be a ‘STICKY BEAK’ you may have saved a life !!!! yes, the life of a beautiful mother !!!
    ‘STICKY BEAKS’ ay !!!
    Mr F, do you see a beautiful yellow cross with sunflowers at Kholo Creek ???
    Do you see it Mr F ??? The cross and sunflowers were placed there by a loving , caring group from WS !!!
    Do you see the flowers at Kholo Creek Mr F ???
    Do you see them Mr F ???
    Many of those flowers were placed there by another loving, caring group from AC !!!
    Well Mr F, if that’s what ‘sticky beaks do, then I will put my hand up and say ” YES, I AM A STICKY BEAK ” because I show compassion and I care about life and I care about those that are left behind when a person is murdered !!!! and I care about ‘JUSTICE’ !!!!!!!
    Do you care Mr F ???
    Maybe Mr F you could take the time to be a ‘STICKY BEAK’ and have a stick beak into L Aid and investigate as to why the accused is getting the ‘ROYAL TREATMENT’ !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. Hi Stickybeak, (I feel a bit rude calling you that!)
      That is one brilliant post you have there. And you hit so many important points, all factual, salient, and poignant. And yes, he might have saved a life that night if only he had moved from his comfort zone.
      Please keep writing.

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  45. Narcissists treat their children as mere blank screens for projecting their own internal “movies” onto. – There is no better evidence of this than the photos from the funeral.

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    1. Hi Captain. That is one of the most insightful posts I have read in a long time. You will be unaware of their broad magnitude for me…. You know how one picture can paint a thousand words, the little light in your small post has illuminated the sky for me.
      Many thanks and have a rip-snorter of a day.

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    2. “Narcissists treat their children as mere blank screens for projecting their own internal “movies” onto. – There is no better evidence of this than the photos from the funeral”…..

      Hey Cap-A-Tain…. It was these few words to which I was referring in my last post cos I hadn’t seen your longer more explanatory post about narcissistic parents.

      Aye aye.

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  46. Yes, and Allison’s children who have been raised by a narcissist, have experienced his controlling and anger (as did Allison.) Good flagging there QCL bringing up points from Broom’s testimony, which highlight this and the resulting behaviour from the girls. A rule of fear. What daddy might do or say, or do to mummy. I think as time goes on, particularly with the elder daughter, if/when GBC walks free, he will have some baggage to deal with there. She will remember the past, whereas the younger two may remember less due to their age. The only thing good about the current situation for the three girls is, for the time being their narcissistic father is out of their lives, and they are experiencing peace. Long may it last, and let’s hope and pray no Baden-Clay gets custody of them. Having said that we have heard that he is still attempting to contact and control his daughters from AGCC.

    As for the article we read earlier today, there were comments about it that it was ‘fraudulent’ – whether the article was true or not, it certainly gave a clear insight into the mind and workings of a narcissist. I agree with you Captain, it does seem surprising that someone with NPD would become so self-aware, but it matters not. The message we are receiving loud and clear is that which QCL has brought into focus many times here on this site. How to recognise someone with these traits, how they operate and manipulate and if you recognise any of these attributes, run for the hills (and certainly do not have children with them.) I think towards the end of her life, Allison finally came to the realisation of what she was dealing with.

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    1. Hi SFA. All here! But the posts are appearing of whack again. Maybe too many for this thread. For your post to appear at the last, you have to post at the small reply box belonging to the last post, instead of the big reply box. Yes, that is not how it normally works.

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  47. Suffering from a hiatus but good to see things haven’t slowed down here.
    I am wondering if the delay in setting a DATE for GBC’s case is because of the election or is it as a result of the massive backlog in the system in QLD? Why sooooooo long?

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    1. Daniel Morcombe’s alleged murderer’s trial date has just been announced. Will be approximately 2 years after the arrest. Seems to be about the norm here in QLD. I don’t expect GBC’s trial will be anytime soon.

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  48. I can’t get into the new thread. Sorry for posting here.

    Has anyone mentioned or understood why there was a Centrelink payment of more than $20 000 paid to GBC? It was a lump sum payment.

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    1. Lordy, Lordy… It is going to be a long wait till GBC’s trial. It is a shame the wheels move ever so slowly.

      Each time I drive over that fateful bridge at night, I think ‘I wish there could be lighting of some kind to brighten the darkness’. It is such a horrible place at night – the nothingness that holds so much badness. At least in daylight, the yellow flowers, and now the monument, show support, love and sadness for Allison. Whereas, darkness takes that away.

      I wonder if there are flowers that glow in the dark?

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  49. Dear aussiecriminal,: writers, I am so bloody angry, and amazed this highly connected, with friends in high places, shifty and cunning wife murderer,: GERALD BADEN CLAY has sold a GOLD COAST property and is running, his trial from inside the jail, with his a complex ,tax payers legal Aid,QC Legal team supporting his every step, along the way, with legal challenges, from his private office computer, come legal defence team, and all run from his prison cell, or should that be private office, at this ARTHUR GORRIE CORRECTIONAL CENTRE………………………………….What a sick joke to his victim., the deceased wife…!
    Perhaps it would be better, if he can be rehabilitated and transferred down to Victoria,s corrupt system. And he could use his influence, to run the jail down here, south of the boarder, in Mexico !…… And share a cell with: JUILiAN KNIGHT ,as this vex- litigant is not allowed to have a computer in his cell, or even get discounted cigarette privileges and cannot prepare for his legal preparation and early release…………Meanwhile, : ADRIAN EARNEST BAYLEY, and: PETER NORRIS DUPAS, legal aid teams are trying to get appeals against their sentences, but while locked up, are sexually lonely in their solitary confinement cells, and need some prostitutes, and easy victims, to rape, sodomise and mutilate. in the current overcrowded Vic Gov H.M.BARWON:ACASIA UNIT, and have :MATTHEW JOHNSON,is looking for new penfriends to meet on his computer, and will befriend and let him join the Barwon prison, ACASIA boys, Prisoners Of War Gang, since he resigned and sacked: CARL WILLIAMS with extreme predjudious, after a falling out, and lovers tiff, he refused and wouldn’t play hide the sausage, in his cell. after he slipped and fell off the exercise bike, and it kept hitting him to his head, and he suffered a heart attack, and no one saw a thing?, as The Premier Carl, fat boy, is now out of: matt Johnson bang gang, or gang bang, the this GERALD Baden clay could be the new Acacia Units Prisoners Of War secretary and treasurer. And he could ride the exercise bike with him. And discuss sentence appeals with Dupas and Bayley, and asked: PAUL DENYER to be his new wife, inside.
    Next they be giving this: GERALD BADEN CLAY,a key to the city and a key to let himself in and out of jail to attend meetings with his high profile friends, and do business as usual.!………………..

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