When will Gerard Baden-Clay’s Case go to Trial?


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475 thoughts on “When will Gerard Baden-Clay’s Case go to Trial?

  1. My sense of smell is not just about Narcissists, but about Liars also. Not that I always get the bit about Liars 100% right always. (Heh heh! No fool like an old fool. This old fool is always hoping on the brighter side. Maybe this one is different. Might be legitimate, just no-one else can see it.)
    But there’s a saying: Give ’em enough rope and they’ll hang them selves. These 18 months or so have been difficult (in wanting to see Justice served);
    But having said that, So very much more has come out in the cold hard light of day.
    This POI has a history. Not just bad business but personal adulterous affairs to boot.
    This POI has a Motive, Means and Opportunity.
    This POI appears to show NO concern for his deceased wife.
    Not even in looking for her!
    This POI does appear to show concern regarding his wife’s Large Insurance Policy in the face of his very big debt.
    This POI doesn’t appear in the slightest, interested in finding in his wife’s murderer. (Or even his wife when she was missing.)
    Err. Umm….. What was the important matter here: Finding the wife’s murderer:
    Or trying to prove that she had suicided?

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    • Just an observation but I thought that I pretty much kept up to date with posts on this site, however, sometimes I wonder whether I am missing stuff because comments seem a bit disjointed, or ‘clicky’ like as if there are conversations taking place separate to what I am seeing so wonder whether I am in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      Maybe it is a touch of old-timers, menopause, hormones, or a comprehension deficit on my behalf.

      I hope there are many clever people working very hard in the interim and that once the trial starts, we can feel relieved or confident or reassured that every individual tasked with finding justice have done their job obsessively and without leaving any stone unturned.

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      • You are all right Little Fishy! It does get a bit disjointed sometimes. Good to keep the site brewing with the thoughts (even if dis-jointed) of wonderful people who desire justice. And who add their own bits and pieces of thinkings, opinions, reasonings, ideas.

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  2. I am posting a tweet made 30 April 2012.
    In the knowledge of what we have learned over 18 months or so;
    Does anybody notice a glaring Anomaly with this tweet?

    David [email protected]
    My prayer goes out 4 Nigel & Elaine Baden-Clay, Gerard & girls, Adam & Olivia – have know them 20 years #allisonbadenclay

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  3. PS Some google investigations into this David Schirmer are V-E-R-Y interesting. GBC’s teacher/ mentor/role model?
    The Current Affair David Schirmer exposed interviews are also
    I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G!

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      • schirmer exposed on national television 1 of 6 on Vimeo
        ► 10:52► 10:52
        vimeo.com/4325210
        Apr 25, 2009

        This is totally unbelievable! Even uses the words “Business as usual”
        It’s “Don’t get caught” that’s important.
        “Your Money in My Pocket” might be a more appropriate business name.
        Con Artists from the same school.
        The same thumbing the nose at ASIC
        The same hiding behind a Christian Church.

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      • Thanks Spy Hop. It’s amazing what a bit of anger (over unrepentance, blatant selfishness, apparent narcissism, apparent life of lies, and greed) causes ordinary people to unearth, in order to set the record straight. It is not right that BAD people come out smiling , whilst their partners (dead or ruined) are completely unable to speak in their own self defence.

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  4. More from David Schirmer Exposed
    What is the Secret? Pretend you’ve already achieved it. Then offer to sell the Secret to others.
    Calls himself a financial guru etc ad nauseam.

    Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

    1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements).
    2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
    3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
    4. Requires excessive admiration.
    5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.
    6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.
    7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
    8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
    9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes .

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  5. Another random thought…..
    It is to do with Divorces say early to half way through last century. A character assassination was pretty much required to facilitate a Divorce.
    Some people, even today think this is necessary, the truth being irrelevant.

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  6. Sort of off topic, but sort of on topic. Some time ago I mentioned a lady who was living on $10 a fortnight. Thanks to her Narcissist husband, (Not a malignant Narcissist, just a half wit who thought he was above the Law dim wit twit) Same lady used to look at roadside weeds sort of ….differently…
    Heh heh, there’s spinach and then there’s spinach.
    Some words sort of floating around in my head today as I visualized this David Schirmer bloke, Financial Guru (‘cos he said he was), friend of Baden Clay, financial whiz etc.
    OK. He says he visualized the end result, the money, the Secret, the success etc.
    Back to starving lady sustaining her children alone: Her visuals were on food. She maintained a strong focus on ethics, morality, work, honesty, and God.
    Those fancy highfalutin words or seminars did NOT put put food on the table or clothing on her children.
    Same lady finds the words of this David Schirmer character as vile and obnoxious as those of GBC.
    Liars cheats and extreme low lives. Fraudsters, Con Artists, Tricksters. Your money in my pocket mentality. Even if that person (the one being swindled) is literally starving.
    Would like to see these animals actually work for a living.

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  7. These shyster creeps and their mates, never seem to fall down on hard times, only their victims. I would like to put them all on a big bonfire, with all there greedy capitalist gained money and tie a sky rocket to their backside, and watch them and their money go up in ashes and a big firecracker bang, on guy faulks, bonfire night. Trick orTreat.

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  8. Aussie Criminal Readers, the latest court trial evidence is on nine msn, web site,01/11/2013: channel nine news, of the surveillance camera evidence, and the torn up paper with a message on it and a witness to seeing: Simon Gittany who is charged with alleged murder of throwing his Canadian ballerina girlfriend over a balcony, and his defence lawyer is saying it was suicide.

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    • How very convenient for a murderer to say a victim committed suicide when he wants to be seen as innocent. The victim can’t speak ….. or can she?
      Shades of GBC.
      Let’s hope the Court System is not that gullible.

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  9. Thanks to all those who read about the Simon Gittany murder trial in Syndey and commented on my post.

    The more I read about it, I am stunned by the parallels of SG and GBC. It is bizarre in the extreme. Seems like most people agreed with me that he is some type of chronic narcissist. The man has it stamped over his facial expressions – and then you learn about his actions during the relationship, on the day of the death and post-death and you realise this man is an extreme case, perhaps more so than GBC. I discovered that SG broke one of Lisa’s fingers in a domestic dispute last year – although it wasn’t reported to police (obviously under extreme pressure from SG). Witnesses have testified that he was ”extremely controlling” towards Ms Harnum, rarely allowing her to leave the apartment alone and telling her, ”I’m timing you.” His control freak-style behaviour makes GBC look like the parish priest.

    And of course, his defence team is dragging the victim through the mud. His lawyer has described Ms Harnum “as a distressed, possibly disturbed young woman, suffering from bulimia who had just been dumped by Mr Gittany, whom she was planning to marry”. Yes, of course…. being dumped by the stud Simon Gittany is reason enough to go out and kill yourself… He is the victim here…. not her, that selfish, bulimic, mentally disturbed, little wanna-be ballerina… It’s all about Simon….

    Here is the latest report on court proceedings:

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/video-reveals-the-moments-before-lisa-harnum-died-and-what-simon-gittany-did-next-20131101-2wq4h.html

    It has a photograph of her purse lying on the street, tossed of the balcony like a piece of garbage, after he threw her off in a similar manner…

    Look at the mans actions in the videos from the corridors, the elevator and the lobby. He has all the expressions of someone who blames everyone else for his own predicament.. like he is somehow being inconvenienced… it’s not his fault, it’s that little tarts’ fault for not going along with the grand plan… one trait that GBC and SG share is the “Business-As-Usual” mentality, that events like these are insignificant speed bumps to be driven over before we get back out on the road, champagne and Life in the Fast Lane…

    Comments welcome….

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    • Hi all :) I recently stayed at a Hyde Park apartment in Elizabeth St that offered a clear view of the adjacent building in question. How this piece of poo thought he’d be unseen is beyond me – there are so many highrise buildings with an uninterrupted view facing that building. I’m thinking there would nearly have to be more strong witnesses to come… I’m not the only balcony smoker surely! Chilling to see where this beautiful young woman lost her life. Revolting to see a new woman puckering up to the beast responsible!

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  10. Let hope that the jury don’t believe the crap this Wanna Be Mucho Man Gittanys defence lawyer are tying to sell at his trial. And the only in a hurry action this bully, alleged murderer gets is the careful pacing from his jail cell to the exercise yard, walking backwards away from the real tough bully mucho men behind bars, where he cant run away from and cant hide from. And gets to know what its like to be a powerless victim, by someone tougher and muscly than him. And the pretty boy, better not bend over for the soap, and watch his bum, while standing with his back to the exercise yard walls. Or may be he might have to consider suicide, by jumping or falling off the prison top tier fence or balcony. Karma is waiting.

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  11. Hi JJE, Your last post has been playing in my mind a bit. I watched the videos closely and saw a Show-man. A no conscience man. A “man” trying to prepare to turn from angry attitude to …. (think quick, think hard) … grief stricken.
    Need to show the right appearance for the public. Oops, momentarily forgot about the cameras in the lift.
    GBC tactics employed including “his defence team dragging the victim through the mud” and showing NO sympathy/empathy for the victim. Ever.

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  12. Spy Hop – yes, Simon Gittany got bail in this matter. His family stumped up $600,000….

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-accused-of-throwing-ballet–dancer-off-15th-floor-balcony-gets-bail-20120119-1q7iy.html

    Here is a disgusting display of narcissism from Gittany – kissing his new brainless girlfriend outside the court for the cameras to see while she fondles his face…. They media identifies her as Rachelle Louise. This was 4 days ago…

    http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-news/gittany-kisses-girlfriend-outside-court-4880386.html

    Here’s a report about Gittany threatening the counsellor of his girlfriend with physical violence 2 days before his girlfriend died..

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ill-fing-harm-you-accused-murderer-allegedy-threatened-fiances-counsellor-20131023-2w0we.html

    And here are today’s developments. Neighbours testified that they heard piercing screams saying “Please help. Help me. God help me” before silence.

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    • Yeah … so … the safety and well being of the counsellor was in jeopardy from this alleged murderer as well.
      Hypothetically – an enraged ‘control freak’ setting the trap: if it was confirmed that Lisa ‘plotted’ with the counsellor to leave him,- confirmed by the return of her belongings to the Consierge – then he would experience an ‘implosion’ so overwhelming (i.e. rage) that he would ‘act out’ on her to regain ‘ultimate control’.

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      • Precisely, Caro. And there you have it all in a nutshell. Together with the Means, Motive and Opportunity. Very well put. IMO.

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  13. I’m scratching my head wondering what the hell is going on? Firstly,the counsellor in the Gittany case gave evidence, why can’t Allison’s? Can you imagine the neighbour having to live with the knowledge of not getting to the door in time OR if she did would have she been found dead too?
    We all live in this BS democratic society with the freedom of speech, equality, walk safely freely (supposedly). Well guess what, it’s all BS. It’s none of that and it’s getting worse. Tell Jill Maher she should have been safe to walk home or tell Allison she had every right to stand up for her rights within her marriage & OMG this Gittany case?? Where do these pricks get their training? Video games? Dear old dad? BUT NOW THEY’RE EVERYWHERE. Did I sleep through the transition of Australia becoming a Muslim country where women have no rights? I kind of understand someone like Allison staying for the children…..but a single girl to be so scared not to leave her home because she’s being timed & watched. Was Gittany’s very public proposal because she dare not humiliate him in public-was that a test?
    I’m really saddened by this society, what has happened to our beautiful Australia. Sometimes I can blame others escaping their countries & bring their hatreds here. But look! These evil mongrels who are praying on women are ‘our boys’

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    • er … just a thought … there are many decent men & boys who can love and be loved. Equally, there are women & girls with control/attachment problems as well. What this case may highlight is personal pathology within a ‘relationship’ which escalated to alleged murder.
      Two points of view: One: The onus is upon our Justice system to ensure that life itself is valued and that nobody has the right to end the life of another.
      Two: How do we teach women & men that ‘control freak’ behaviour signals an unhealthy relationship? How do we teach them to ‘leave’ before they become ‘trapped’.. before the relationship transistions to predator and prey? …
      just a few thoughts this morning.

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  14. I’m scratching my head wondering what the hell is going on? Firstly,the counsellor in the Gittany case gave evidence, why can’t Allison’s? Can you imagine the neighbour having to live with the knowledge of not getting to the door in time OR if she did would have she been found dead too?
    We all live in this BS democratic society with the freedom of speech, equality, walk safely freely (supposedly). Well guess what, it’s all BS. It’s none of that and it’s getting worse. Tell Jill Maher she should have been safe to walk home or tell Allison she had every right to stand up for her rights within her marriage & OMG this Gittany case?? Where do these pricks get their training? Video games? Dear old dad? BUT NOW THEY’RE EVERYWHERE. Did I sleep through the transition of Australia becoming a Muslim country where women have no rights? I kind of kind of understand someone like Allison staying for the children…..but a single girl to be so scared not to leave her home because she’s being timed & watched. Was Gittany’s very public proposal because she dare not humiliate him in public-was that a test? My bloody oath it was!
    I’m really saddened by this society, what has happened to our beautiful Australia overnight. Sometimes I can blame others escaping their countries & bring their hatreds here. But look! These evil mongrels who are praying on women are ‘our boys’.
    HELP ME RHONDA.

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  15. To the Readers following the Simon Gittany Murder trial. On Thursday 08/11/2013, Today Tonight, Channel 7. Are showing an investigation on the lead up to her murder, how and why Simon Gittany ,mentally and physically abused his fiancée , and then after finally throwing her of the balcony, still pleads not guilty and his defence is still trying to make it look like his victim committed suicide. They are also showing CCTV footage of Simon Gittany just after it is alleged he threw her from the high rise apartment. It may also be put on-line to watch. I hope this creep is found guilty! Looks like a job for the Law and Order- Special Victims Unit, to prove this mongrel guilty in the Supreme Court. Australian Criminal Justice, Law and Order will most likely give his heinous crime a plea bargained light prison sentence.

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    • I saw footage of the scum bag in the lift. If she had fallen I would have expected to see him crying, maybe screaming, punching buttons to get the door open faster. Instead i saw the body language of someone saying, what the f&^% have I done, how stupid am I. How come Today Tonight can do this before the verdict? Is it because it is a judge only trial?

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      • Agree totally. The behaviour in the lift was NOT in shock or anguish or horror over witnessing his beloved jump over the balcony. It was about I, MY and ME.
        Regarding the man handling (strangle hold) moments before, the fragile petite ballerina lady had absolutely NO hope of escaping from the strong man hold in which she was trapped. She appeared to be dragged from within camera view to outside camera range, repeatedly, quite unable to defend herself in the slightest.

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  16. JJE has posed a dilemma. Why is a good looking young woman hanging out with such a person?
    These thoughts are relating to the kissing and touching etc for public consumption.
    Either she is a brain dead floozy, or something else.
    (I was going to give a sermon about exterior female beauty versus a female of substance.)
    Then I got to thinking; nothing seems to add up. Why is it so?
    I could be right off track, but she doesn’t look like an air head.
    I DID think her behaviour reeked of insecurity. Given the circumstances, why all the touchy stuff.
    Is she being PAID to portray him as capable of a “normal” loving relationship?
    Is she behaving as ORDERED by a Narcissist?
    All this appears so Brazen-Clay-ish. On with the show…

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    • Hi QCL, While I agree that the new GF may not look like an airhead, I suspect she must be. What good looking girl in their right mind woulld get into a relationship with someone who is on bail awaiting trial on charges of having murdered his previous fiancee.

      Any girl with half a brain would simply say thanks but no thanks upon being asked out.

      Why would anyone in their right mind want to put themselves through the public scrutiny that a murder trial of your boyfriend would bring upon you.

      The girl has to be a simpleton.

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  17. She better not romance and dine out with him near a balcony, his charm seems to make ladies want to go and commit suicide and go ahead and jump , straight out of a Van Halen song. She must be desperate for a man, and she must to know he is charged with murder. The scenario that she may be a front of good appearance to Simon Gittany,trial could be right. But if she knows anything of his control freak nature and previous form, she is putting herself at great risk of being his next victim.?…Prisoner: Peter Dupas the multiple serial murderer and mutilating rapist was a near fatal attraction to a professional woman councillor when he was serving a 11 year prison sentence for one of his rapes, in 1990. And she even fell in love with him and they married in prison. Not long after, he was released from prison on parole, he started stalking, raping again and finally mutilating and murdering many women. But he strangely he never hurt his new wife. But after he was again arrested for the murder rapes, she decided to break off her ties with him.
    In prison some of the most notorious heinous murderers and rapists have attracted women to them, even though some of them are serving life or very long prison sentences. Even Ted Bundy, the famous U.S. Serial murderer and rapist was married in prison, before he was years later executed for his notorious crimes. It appears some women are attracted to these criminals. It must be some form of Stockholm Syndrome, were the female feels empathy to killers. A bit like Mickey and Mallory, in the movie, Natural Born Killers…… Perhaps Simon Gittany, has met his perfect match. A girlfriend who has the same mentality and control freak make up as him.?.She would have to be a Narcissist like him to be able to so fresh with him in public view, i.e kissing and touching him. How bizarre ?………………………………………………………………………………………………..

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    • Thanks for this info Steve … interesting about Dupas and Bundy. So these women were attracted to the killer’s ‘play’ while they were trapped behind bars! Was it some reverse role like ” I’m the only one in his life”? Was it that they felt important as they had the killer’s undivided attention? Their reason for having the killer’s undivided attention and the killer’s deeply hidden reason for keeping the woman’s undivided attention were different – but formed a relationship attraction in the eyes of the outside world.
      All the time they could have unwitingly been feeding the killer’s twisted need, parading before them, like taunting the Lion trapped in its cage.
      Like Lions (natural predators) both subsequently went on to kill many other women.(their prey).

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  18. Cheers Caro, you are right on the mark. These narcissist natured, murderers ,rapist and serial killers, seem to share one pattern in their modus operandi, and that is their many relationships with people, both male and female relationships are unknowingly to these people that feel close empathy or trust them. Have in fact been filling the killers twisted needs parading before them.
    Also it is interesting to observe that these narcissist type killers, before they have been caught, are extremely violent, dominating and often dangerous if cornered. I have used Ted Theodore Bundy, and Peter Norris Dupas and Adrian Earnest Edwards/ Bayley as the worst case narcissist rapist murderers. And if any of theses men had not been caught commiting their crimes. They wold have definitely continued to commit more rapes and more murders. That’s what makes them tick, the power of torture, domination and the taking of human life with no remorse for what they think is justifiable behaviour in there twisted minds. And they try to convince any body when their finally caught and locked up that the are in fact the victim.
    I recommend any Aussie Criminal readers interested in criminals with narcissist traits. To watch on Youtube : Ted Bundy Interview (1977) Recopilation……… Serial killer Ted Bundy: Final interview 1989- only hours before his execution……….. Ted Bundy angry in court….. Ted Bundy Death Row Tapes. …………………….. These up close and personally historic interviews with one of Americas worst Serial killer, give a good insight to the intelligent and cunning mindset of the typical narcissist and very dangerous character of these type of criminals that go on to murder, with no fear, before they are caught. This Simon Gittany character shows these traits, when he is on CCTV footage after having throw his victim over the balcony and hurried away from the scene of his crime into the lift. All he is thinking about is his self preservation and getting away with murder. A very dangerous individual before he was caught. And Just like Ted Bundy and Peter Dupas and in the beginning with Adrian Bayley. and the GBC case n the courts. They all pleaded Not Guilty. And all showed no empathy or remorse for there victims only crocodile remorse for a hopeful reduced prison sentence while they are caged and trapped behind bars. If they had not been caught, they would still be predators. The Judiciary Justice Departments and Parole Boards and modern rehabilitation Correctional centre prisons must not be fooled by the danger of these types of predatory manipulating cunning criminals. They always will re-offend in the most stone cold killing of ways………………..Mr Cruel is also a classic example of this type of predator, as his modus operandi and lack of remorse shows. He has appeared to have gotten away with all his heinous brutal crimes, and has been smart enough to had no one witness his crimes or leav any forensic evidence behind at his crime scenes.. Ted Bundy for so long was not unlike Mr Cruel, he blended in well in his community, but could never stop or control his urge to be a sexual predator and rape and kill so many victims, long before he was ever caught… I ALSO PUT Adrian Bayley in the same category of dangerous sex offender as Ted Bundy….Before they were caught and sentenced for murder and rape. No one would look twice at them in the street….. Bayley was a fitness fanatic at gymnasiums and a ladies man at nightclubs in the city. .And who ever is the predator Mr Cruel or Mr Cool as he was first know as. He is living amonst us, totally underneath the radar. And this is what is so scary. The Law seems powerless to be able to catch him, afte all this time…

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  19. Gittany told the court he forced Lisa back inside the apartment because he wanted to talk about their relationship and was making her a hot drink when she “ran towards the balcony”.

    “The 40-year-old demonstrated in court his four-point description of how he tried to reach out and save Lisa before she “just disappeared, let go” and plummeted to her death.”

    What a load of cods-wallop!
    Three problems with this crock of rubbish.
    1. A witness saw what looked like a black object/luggage being dumped from that balcony. Turns out that the “luggage” was in fact Lisa Harnum’s body, dead or alive at that time.
    2. Only seconds before, video images show the poor girl in a stranglehold with the accused, being dragged helplessly to and fro.
    3. To make a cup of coffee, would require that he release her, get to the kitchen, get a jug, fill with water, get some coffee and a cup. etc (There’s about two minutes. Not counting any take a deep breath and calm down time.)

    And he expects to be believed!

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        • October 21, 2013

          “Another witness walking near The Hyde apartment block on Liverpool Street told police he saw a shirtless man holding what appeared to be black luggage horizontally over the balcony before it fell over.

          “Of course, it was not a piece of luggage, it was Ms Harnum wearing black clothing,” Crown prosecutor Mark Tedeschi QC said at Monday’s opening of the murder trial.”

          Read more: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/…ied-on-partner

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            • When he looked up he saw a man with no shirt carrying what appeared to be ‘black luggage’.

              He added: ‘It was being held horizontally in the man’s arms. His arms were outstretched with the object lying across.

              ‘I saw the man unload the object off the balcony and in what I described as a fluid motion, turned and went straight back into the apartment. I didn’t really follow the item.’ ”

              Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…#ixzz2idtYBxJZ

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              • Eye witness JR said, – “”It was being held horizontally in the man’s arms. His arms were outstretched with the object lying across,”.
                Question: Is it possible that Lisa was unconscious when she was dropped over that balcony? Who would just lay there horizontally? If conscious and fearful of being dropped, wouldn’t you be fighting/struggling/pleading/grabbing/grasping for your life?

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      • What we think should be a fair sentence is not what the outcome always is. Maybe because there are no witnesses of the murder then maybe the judge might think a rap across the knuckles will suffice. There was a witness who saw a man throwing ‘luggage’ of the balcony and surveillance cameras catching a scuffle but what about Gerald? Gittany is out of gaol, Gerald is in. Other than some scratches REALLY what have we got? I can’t wait until June because I believe there is one hell of a reason Gerald IS in the lockup. Bring it on.

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  20. Hmmm, that Caterpillar Club notion may not be too far off track.
    I watched a TV documentary only last week about a cross-dresser bloke in US who murdered his wife. (His female counterpart was Chloe, I think, but I can’t remember his name, except that he was very wealthy. A money buys everything type man; including his “innocence”.)
    I couldn’t help but notice a Pattern. A definite pattern of events.
    A nearly identical pattern to that which is being revealed right here, both with Gittany and Brazen Clay.

    Here is the Patten.

    1. The Person Of Interest (POI) is a male Narcissist who becomes increasingly more controlling with the female victim’s life and Behaviour. Her clothing, her looks, her friends, her family, everything is criticized, and belittled.
    2. Eventually the female partner “wakes up”, decides to remove herself from this toxic environment and relationship.
    3. The Male partner becomes very angry about this preposterous suggestion from the weaker (in his opinion) person. How dare she!
    4. The Male partner murders the female partner. Who despite being beautiful, petite, and successful, lacks masculine physical strength.
    5. The Male person shows no emotion, sorrow or nothing about the victim’s horrible demise. No words in her praise. All a void.
    6. The Male partner considers him self as a matter of importance.
    7. The Suicide Line is proffered by the offender. His Lawyers are instructed to proffer same with embellishments as proof.
    8. “Evidence” submitted to strengthen the Suicide Line. Depression, (evidenced by empty Zoloft packets), Bulimia, Mental instability etc you name it. Anything will do.
    9. A strange light dawns on POI possibly cornered about here, but not to worry. Have more cards up sleeve, Heh heh, business as usual!
    10. A complete character assassination of the victim becomes an obsession. And she can’t speak in her own defense, can she?
    11. No holds barred. Fabrications, anything to denigrate her moral integrity. Denigrate her character, her everything. (Her denigration equals his righteousness, correct?)
    12. About this time, some episodes of BIZARRE Behaviour occur, possibly designed to de-rail any normal person’s thinking.

    In the US case, he undressed to reveal his wearing ladies sexy under garments. Then saying “OK I killed her, but she deserved it.”
    In GBC;s case, bizarre episodes too numerous to mention, including a twisted sister’s media briefing during an important Court session.
    Gittany claiming innocence even in the face of having been seen throwing her off the balcony. Oops, not “throwing: technically speaking. But did he drop her, chuck her, toss her, push her, cause her to plummet to the ground? Those were altogether different questions in his mind.

    Some other common themes to this Pattern (blueprint)…
    All seem to be serial philanderers.
    All have no problems with telling blatant lies.
    And all appear to have no conscience.

    A Pattern indeed. Common threads in my opinion.

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    • Very good summary QCL, and as you say the threads of the pattern are very similar. You have it in a nutshell, the delusion, lack of emotion, bizarre behaviour… I’m very reassured to hear Gittany is behind bars like his comrade Gerard.

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    • Hi judgejuryexecutioner,

      When I deleted the spam folder, I think I saw a post from you, as it was swept away.

      Could you please repost? Apologies if this is so.

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  21. LIFE IS WORTH MORE
    What price on a lifetime of human experiences snuffed out by an act of unprovoked violence?
    What price on a young man being viciously robbed of a chance to enjoy having a family, to fulfil all his professional ambitions, to achieve financial security and just savour the joy of a long, fulfilled and happy life?
    A Justice in the N.S.W. Supreme Court, seemingly believes all this is only worth a sentence
    of four years for a brutal thug who took the life of 18 year- old Thomas Kelly with a king hit.
    I Read this in the public your say, 50/50 comments of the Herald Sun .
    I think the worst sentence is handed down to the victims of a victim of crime by the weak injustice handed out by a justice judge who thinks more about the violent murdering thugs criminals rights to rehabilitation and a short prison sentence, than the death sentence the perpetrator has dealt out cowardly to his victim. Where is the deterrence anymore on public violence and any sort of home or domestic violence?….Carried out by bully rage fuelled offenders, and handed out a get out of jail early and free card by his sentencing judge.. The sentences don’t need to toughen up. Its the judges who need to be more tough on these odium violent thugs………………………..

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    • Yeah… and many agree with you:
      “the worst sentence is handed down to the victims of a victim of crime by the weak injustice handed out by a justice judge…”:

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  22. It is interesting to note in the pictures of Gittany and his GF arriving or leaving court, he is seen holding her hand in a most perculiar way. Rather than having their hands interlocked by their sides with their palms facing themselves as most people would do when holding hands, he instead holds his elbow at a rightangle, thrusting their hands forward and raised as to ensure that their handholding is noticed, but the interesting part is that his palm faces down, and her palm faces up, as if it is a sign of him dominating, similar to the effect of a person who aims to show their superiority by turning their palm down while shaking shaking the hand of someone they meet., I have had several people do such over my 60 years on this earth, and simply respond by returning the shake to a vertical palm shake with a strong and swift flick of my wrist, and no-one concerned ever tried such again.

    It appears that like GBC, Simon Gittany had lost his influence over his long suffering partner, and the relationship had reached rock bottom, but rather than accept such and move on, the narcissistic self assigned right for them to have absolute control over their partner appears to entitle them to assert their dominance and show them one last time who is boss.

    I have a question that Steve the Ex Pentridge Commandant may be best placed to answer.
    What happens to a Narcissist in Prison, how are they treated by Prison Authorities and other inmates. Do they continue to go about daily life with
    an exaggerated sense of entitlement, or does the tougher than previously encountered characters that they now find themselves among dent their ego somewhat ?

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  23. Hi Dan, Very Astute observations!
    Although I picked it up as “uncomfortable”, I was unable to translate it!
    So, I consulted Mr Google, regarding body language. Because I believe you have hit upon something important, something intangible, something hard to define.
    (Signal): “Palm(s) down
    (Part of Body): Hands
    (Possible meaning): authority, strength, dominance
    (Detailed explanation) Where the lower arm moves across the body with palm down this is generally defiance or firm disagreement.
    (There is much more to be said regarding Palm up hand holding, and Body Language)

    Of course this is only the palms down person.
    The palm up person, today, is the luckiest girl on this planet. Hope those tears were tears of gratitude!
    Hope palm up person or a member of her family can take a peek here and see that people are real people are thankful that she still has her live body intact. A miracle in itself. Girl Friend, you don’t know how lucky you are!
    Message to Girl Friend, and any other female caught up in a relationship with one like this:
    Even if you were a Saint, or the most Holy female on Earth, or the most beautiful, or the most pure, or talented, or the sister of Jesus Christ Himself;
    Nothing, (I mean NOTHING) would be able to save you from the likes of a Malignant Narcissist.

    Rest in Peace Lisa Harnum, along with Allison Baden Clay.
    May your earthly deaths be not in vain.

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  24. In prison Dan for both Officers and Prisoners, I experienced, were narcissist in nature.
    It was survival of the fittest , in a jungle of powerplay and power trips and endemic violence, ruled by corruption and drug dealing and trafficking. If a narcissist prisoner was on the good side of a corrupt narcissist prison officer, he got looked after with protection and privileges . But sometime prisoner powerplay inter feared and a prisoner on the top of the food chain, sometimes become a victim of his own powerplay and corrupt protection by bent screws, and sometimes was stabbed to death or badly beaten up and raped by the prisoners who he or his gang had doublecrossed. Drugs and corruption controlled prisons when I was a Prison Officer. I cannot say what it is like now, I haven’t been a Prison Officer for 25 years. But some thing in prisons will never change. All I know about nowadays in prisons, are that they are seriously overcrowded and violent horrible places to now be. That why so many prisoners get out and commit worst crimes, because their got nothing to lose, and prison life is all they know, and feel safe in. That’s why there are so many gangs today. Prison is the breeding ground for OMG bikies and all ethnic and mixed races gang activity. And even controls gang and crime happening on our streets. Its a university of crime. Where violence rule above all else. Rape and plunder of our innocent society, fuelled by drugs and violence.
    Maximum Security Prison is a very hostile and often dangerously violent place to be. And an inmates survival depends on who he aligns him self with, what connections he has from the outside criminal world and who walks the exercise yard with and trafficks drugs with. Its called WHOS WHO IN THE ZOO! Even for honest non corrupt prison officers, it is best to turn the other eye to prison power play. There is a very high turn over of Prison Officers. Some burn out on stress. Some like my self were and are still haunted and victims Post Trumatic Stress Depression. and bullying by Narcissist Senior Officers and from being a whistleblower to corruption and drug trafficking and violence, and being assaulted, on several occasions and off duty. Some I worked with committed suicide from post traumatic stress depression and one of my friends was murdered off by a parolee and his gang after getting out of prison.. And some of the High Ranking Prison Officers who were bullies and narcissist in nature, were promoted to the highest ranks in the Prison System…………………. The bigger bastards they were, the more power the system give them. And as far as I know, nothing has changed. The Crims and the narcissists still run the zoo.

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    • Thanks Steve,

      Sounds like Baden Clay and Gittany are in for some interesting experiences. They will need to learn to tread very gently as they find their place in the pecking order among the crims. I do not see either of them emerging at the top of the chain.

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      • Thanks for your in-depth reply Steve. I’m really sorry to hear about your post traumatic stress depression, what you’ve seen and experienced must play on your mind and would be hard to erase. I hope you are getting some help with it, if there is any out there.

        The power and drugs and violence occurring in prisons, must make it hard to believe sometimes how different human beings can be, if you can call their behaviour human in some cases. It’s hard to get your head around. And as you say prisons are a training ground for criminals and gang mentality just to survive the system in there.

        Like you Dan, I immediately thought of Gerard BC and wondered how is faring. Not well, I should imagine. I’m interested to know, Steve, if he is in protective custody (which we don’t know for a fact) would survival be any ‘easier’ in the prison system? Surely by sheer numbers, protected prisoners can’t be protected all the time and must interact with other inmates at times? Gerard BC has been inside for 17 months or so by now. I do also wonder whether some of daddy’s friends are pulling strings to help him along his journey inside, so to speak. Perhaps that’s not possible to protect an inmate from others, but with the corruption you speak of Steve I suppose it might be. I’m sure his ego must be somewhat dented nonetheless.

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  25. Cheers, Dan and Allison, thanks for understanding my letters. I am now seeking PTSD counselling for my depression, anxiety and flashback nightmares which never go away, and anti depressant medication. My dark experiences and the assaults I received from a bashing and kicking to the head from a gang of several violent offenders, really left a traumatic physical and mental scar on my mental health. But I am seeking psychological help from a good doctor, and am trying not to let the post traumatic stress disorder ruin my state of mind. This is why I appear very angry often in my letters. As I know what it is like to be a victim of crime, and to be let down by the criminal justice system. The 12 men that bashed me were never charged, because the only witnesses to the assault, new I was a former Prison Officer, and told the police they did not know the men that bashed me, and that I deserved a beating because I was a dog and a police informer who once locked up their mates who were once in Pentridge Prison. It is more than twenty years since I was a serving Prison Officer, but the criminals and ex prisoners never forget you, Especially as I was serving my duty of service in a Maximum Security Prison. Its now something I will have to be careful of for the rest of my life. And I am forever carefully watching over my shoulder, because ex prisoners and their gang mates now released from prison and free again in the outside world, will continue to cross my path, when I am on a night out in the city or if I ever go to a pub or public place. Criminals nowadays if they recognize me in the street, will just walk up to me and king hit me , out of retaliation , and to make a name for them selves in front of their mates, just becaue I was a screw dog maggot rat. Criminals have no fear or respect anymore for Prison Officers or Police , on duty or off duty anymore. That why it takes so many police officers today to calm down and stop a fight in a group of young men. Because they have no respect for the blue uniform, and are now keen to fight with and bash police in public in a gang mentality. They don’t fear the consequences of being charged and going back to prison anymore. And with so many young men or punks now under the influence of hard drugs and a endless supply of alcohol and party drugs like ice and estacy, and crystal meth, they are prepared to kill or cause serious brain damage to any victim who crosses their coward paths in the name of entertainment. One only has to look every night or weekend in the nightclub scene, to see all the fights that take place. And a heavy police presence does not seem to make any difference. They carry on as usual, drinking, fighting and consuming excess powerful alcohol and dealing ,selling and using a endless supply of illegal drugs, which they are able to easily obtain in there circle of friends, in the nightlife world of sin and corruption.
    As far as Gerald. b. c and Simon Gittanys prison time. They will probably be safer in prison,than out on the streets. Just like Adrian Earnest Edwards/Bayley and Peter Norris and Paul Denyer and Juilian Knight, they can request to be placed in the highest security prison protection units, where they can be placed if they so chose in 24 hour lock down isolation and special Prison Officers making sure they are protected, and no harm comes to them. Juilian Knight has been under strict protection for most of his 28 year sentence, and no harm has ever come to him yet. The same with the now dead Derek Percy. He was in strict lock down isolation protection for 44 years. And no harm never come to him. Only his dying of lung cancer from years of heavy smoking in prison. And Adrian Ernest Edwards/ Bayley seems to be coping alright under his strict regime of the highest prison protection in Victorias most secure prison.
    And look at all the deviant child sex offenders and pedophiles , they have a special protection prison built just to protect them now, and keep them separate from main stream prisoners and even the public, as they have a special village built for them in Ararat, Victoria. The place is called ” Corrella,” or as the public call it, ”The Village of the Dammed.”Rock Spiders jail.
    Its just a pity the legal system doesn’t offer such safety and protection to the community and all victims of crime by these scumbag criminals they let back loose on our streets to terrorise us all, and create more endless victims…………………………………………………………………………………..

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    • Steve, thanks for your posts. You speak the ugly truth, that the rest of us don’t get to see or deal with the ‘bad’ part of human males. To deal with this badness on mass would be ‘ugly’ and experienced as cumulative distress over time for most human beings. To experience these ugly features in peers would add to the distress. Some prison officers may have their ‘bad’ side activated in that environment and be hard to distinguish from the prisoners themselves.
      Your comments provide much insight into the prison system. Thank you.

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    • Hi again Steven,

      Thanks for the in depth insight into both the prison system and your own experiences.

      Like Sad for Allison, and I am sure all other followers of this blog, I too wish you the very best in your endeavors to put your resulting traumas behind you.

      You are among some very caring friends here who really value your insights and contribution.

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  26. Cheers all you kind and understanding readers, thanks very much people. My writing on the Aussie Criminals pages, is therapy for me, because I was once a very dedicated Prison Officer. And early in my service, I did receive two bravery commendation for my bravery in preventing two planed and attempted major prison escapes by several of Australias most notorious and dangerous prisoners. Peter Dupas, was one of them involved in a escape attempt in the middle of the night over the prison wall, back in 1991. And a tunnel and hideout in bushland near the outside prison wall, had survival supplies, drugs and alcohol and tools and weapons hid in and around the prison grounds, for a planed mass prison break out. there were also prison made knives and shotgun and live bullet rounds that I found buried during my security searches. Many of the contraband items that I found, before prisoners got their hands on them. For this I received death threats from the king pin prisoners controlling the drug flow in and out of the prison, and with the help of corrupt Prison Officers, who hated my guts, because I made them look bad. Many of the Prison Officers were just plain lazy and complacent and turned a blind eye to the drug trafficking and corruption behind the walls. Now 25 years later, and very bitter at my treatment by a then corrupt system, its just helps me with my post traumatic condition and bad memories, that keep flashing back to me when ever I hear about how bad the Prison system is today in the news. What really affects me most, is that more than 25years ago, I was ostracized, cast out, condemned , blacklisted, bullied , threatened, assaulted and singled out by a very bent corrupt penal administration , that let the prison drug flow happen, to keep the prisoners calm, and also make some corrupt Prison Officers rich from bringing in drugs, syringes and contraband for the prisoners to use and deal among themselves. Because I simply was a whistleblower, or a dog in prison slang, and tried to expose drug trafficking instead of turning a blind eye on drug use and trafficking in Victorian Prisons, and would not turn a blind eye to the corrupt drug trade run inside and outside of H.M.Prison Service. Back then Prisoners Jason Moran, The Mafia, Dennis Fat Cat Smith and the Head Comanchero OMG Bikers and heroin traffickers Jay and Amad Malkoun Brothers, Victor Pierce and Peter Allen were the some of the many drug barons. During the Melbourne Gangland days of the 1990,s to 2004. Just an example of how much corrupt money and drugs are controlling prison powerplay. When Notorious famous Drug Dealer Prisoner Peter Allen, brother of Dennis Allen was controlling the drug flow, a stretch limousine arrived at the prison main gate to pick him up, when he was released on parole, after finishing one of his many prison sentences. It was not long after Prisoner Tony Mokbel and Carl Williams filled the void and took over the prison, inside drug trafficking rings. And I am as sure as night becomes day, that Many High Profile Prisoners like Hells Angels OMG Christopher Wayne Hudson, his gang and many 1% Outlaw Motor CYCLE gangs are still keeping the prison drug supplies flowing. The Victorian prison service to this very day has never forgive me for my speaking out and breaking the prison code of silence. I have on several occasions tried to re apply to be a Prison Officer again, because, as I said I was good at the job, of covert and undercover surveillance and drug and prisoner crime detection. and exposing the drugs and escapes in jail. But the governments justice department of corrections is very unforgiving. And has barred me for life from ever going back to a job that I once gave my all too and was good at. To sum up, looking at the Victorian Prisons today in the present climate, nothing has changed inside jail. Drugs and prison drug trafficking is still happening big time. Any ex prisoners will confirm and admit, that drugs can be obtained in prison as easy as they can in the outside world. There is just so much dirty money that can be made from the drug trade. Its all about supply and demand , both in prisons and out. And greed and violence makes sure it will continue this way. The Honest Police and customs and Prison Officers are trying to fight a losing battle, trying to slow down the now immense globally run drug trade. I should of become a nightclub operator and a professional drug dealer from what I learnt in the corrupt world of drug free prison………………………………Cheers all Readers and writers,. .and thanks again for your support in valuing my warts and all ,experiences of exposing the rotten corrupt prison world of drugs and power play as it still is today.

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    • Steven, I love reading your posts as I was oblivious to the hell inside the prison walls. I am concerned for your welfare because of the information, time frame & names you are putting out there. These types sound relentless and please consider your safety. Please, please.

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      • I’m really pleased that being here is therapeutic for you Steve and can appreciate how these memories haunt you and you’d need to get them off your chest. Congratulations on your bravery awards, it sounds like your integrity wasn’t a good fit with the environment you were working in to say the least.

        It says a lot about the culture among prison wardens and authorities that you were treated the way you were and prohibited from returning there. Perhaps it was for your own safety as well, when you think back on it. It’s interesting to surmise how much it has changed, or not, since you worked in the system.

        Like others here you provide an intriguing insight into what it’s really like inside a prison, which most of us have no knowledge about, thank you for sharing it with us. Like Tibby I’m concerned for you, stay safe.

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  27. Thanks Tibby and Allison, why I now speaking out after 25 year from being in the coal face of Victorian Prisons and exposing the names of the prisons past and future movers and shakers of the underbelly underworld and high profile dangerous criminals of the worst kind that have been or are still in the present held in maximum security prisons. Im no stranger to the authorities and criminals as a person who sticks his neck out to expose the truth, of whos, who in the zoo. That is blowing the cover off the secrecy of who is controlling who and what in the untouchable world of drug trafficking and the heinous crimes of protected sex offenders and pedophilles and the cold blooded rapists and murders. They all know who I are, and what I stand for. And they also know that I am not afraid to stand up against them, on or off witness protection or in court against them and be a dog. The criminal world and prisoners in all prisons hate a dog, or a snitch, the filth or police informer. And Both sides, despise and they all hate lagging whistleblowers, who expose their code of silence. In the prison and criminal world, the only person who is lower than a rock spider or sex offender is a lagger or dog police informer. So I guess thats how the system has now branded me, so I cant go any lower. And I have now got nothing to lose, I lost my career as a Prison Officer, I have lost many jobs, ever since, and I have had my future financial security and independence forever destroyed, I have lost friends, who turned their backs on me. And I have to survive on centrelink welfare to survive. An worst of all I they have all won and silenced me, and took my pride, and moral, this is why I have PTSD, and mental heath problems now. But I can still use my memory and write about these bastards that tried to get rid of me, in one way or another, from there corrupt world. So I am still, alive and kicking, and are going to go out fighting against these crims, and take them with me to hell. !. While they may have trampled and kicked me to the ground and to the head. They will never silence me. Only dead men cannot talk, And I will try and dodge their bullets. They may have weakened me but they also hardened my bullet proof armour . My biggest admirer is Donald Mackay and his Wife who against all odds, unsuccessfully tried to expose the Griffith Mafia in the 1970,s and failed ultimately with his life in his crusade, to right the wrongs of the many in organised crime. He didn’t ever totally fail, because he really rattled their corrupt cage .protected by infested political and bent police and organised powerful corruption connections !…………. But the reason the mafia, organised crime, and corrupt vested interests in the illegal drug trade, and untouchable ethnic gangs and the criminal movers and shakers of the 1% Outlaw bikie motor cycle gangs, OMGS, have ruled over the drug flow and violent control of the streets, the corruption in and out of prisons in Australia and globally, is because most innocent people are scarred to get involved and report their activities, because of deadly retaliation and violence, and criminal damage they dish out to their victims They hold the utmost fear; control and extortion over anybody and everybody who tries to rock their boat. Or rattle their cages, or slow down their criminal activities……That is the very reason the present Outlaw Motor Cycle gangs, are firearms, guns and pistols and ammunition trafficking and manufacture, globally and brutally bashing, murdering, extorting, debit collecting, controlling the legal security industries and crowd control, bouncers and night club district door security, drug trafficking, prostitution, illegal sex rings, expensive vehicle theft and re-birthing warehouses, drug labs and hydroponic marijuana growing houses. They are controlling the trade unions powerplay and contruction industries in one way or another, much like the old BLF,Builders Labourers Union, and like the notorious Painters and Dockers Waterside, Wharfies Union, Many of their members are 1% OMG members or prospects and have numerous criminal convictions and have served jail time for violence and felony offences… And they are steed fast at infiltrating legitimate businesses for money laundering, hiding the proceeds of crime and buying up real estate, and industrial warehousing for club houses and other illegal or laundering purposes. They controlling professional break and enters, stealing property to order gangs and ram raiding on banks, ATM machines and any where they can get quick buck or access to cash in a hurry, or for any valuable merchandise to pawn off for cash to their contacts in the underworld. They are stealing and running illegal scrap metal operations to get quick cash. Removal of valuable copper wire and valuable metals from public property, railways etc, and on selling it. And they are doing drive by robberies, stolen vehicle ram raids on premises and armed hold up,s and robberies and professionally stealing from chemical factories to make party drugs for organised trafficking on the streets and nightclubs… And their best fear tactics to their competition and enemies, is doing tit for tat, drive by shootings and bombings and using intimidation tactics on their own rival gangs and anyone who steps on their toes. They are very dangerously a crime inc, run military crack unit, terrorising the streets. And they make sure their wearing of intimidating colours, and face coverings and hoodies they wear to hide their identification and their approved style of OMG club tattoos, deter people from witnessing their illegal actions. And Their high powered very expensive custom chopper Harley Davidson motor cycles and high performance expensive motor cars, Are the success of their legitimate and illegal activities……………..So;.you all in corrupt crime inc, may know who and where I are, but I also know who youse all are, too! And I am shaking your trees. COP IT SWEET…………………….

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    • I think with the insight and knowledge you have, you could turn it into a positive and become a private investigator and that way you would have an outlet but keep your information private, for your own security.

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    • I’m hoping Steve & your other information is fictitious. If it is real please change it ASAP & have it deleted from the web. Nothing like this is worth your safety and your life. I love reading your posts but we don’t want you at any risk. Especially you, please please be anonymous!!

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  28. Its not fictitious, its really real, that’s why the Gangland underworld, and the Mafia and 1% Outlaw Motor cycle bikie gang enforces, have grow to the size that they are. They all settle there drug distribution and racketeering problems and firearms trafficking competition with tit for tat , drive by shootings, terrorist attacks, contract murder hits and internal power play gang violence in public. Showing all and sundry witnesses and onlookers that their methodology of uncontrollable violence and threats and intimidating fear tactics, show that they mean business and scare, threaten and make the average person in the street, see and hear nothing and turn the other way. They also do not ever break their unwritten laws and maintain their code of silence, no matter what the outcome are of their criminal charges if they are ever caught by the honest law enforcers. And mostly will never co-operate with the police in their criminal investigations. They are a untouchable and un-written law and enforcer of their laws within themselves and catch and kill their own, or any one that gets in the way of their legal appearance of corrupt and criminal interests and often use good lawyers and connections to protect their shady but legal business appearances. And they are always ready and prepared to do a long time in prison, where they are often able to associate, and continue building their empires with their other OMG bikie brothers in arms in prison. OMGS and The criminal Mafia, team up and control, with the best payed for legal protection, all that goes on in and out of all the prisons. That’s how they easily control with fearful retribution powers to extort, blackmail and use untold violence, and large quanities of untraceable dirty and laundered money, from the proceeds of crime to buy and corrupt the corruptible and easily maintain the peace in their gangs and the silence of any associations in a truce and paid up, bought out way, with drug running and other contraband in and outside of prison. They use their fear tactics and reputations to stop anyone brave enough to stand up against them. The very reason the OMGS and the drug trade have thrived and grown in Australia to the enormous size they have, is because they are pretty much unstoppable in their built up wealth from illegal drug trafficking, importation and illegal firearms importing and trafficking. Its all about supply and demand for their illegal products. They are global importers of their gods and services. Just look at any large biker rally of Hells Angles, Comancheros and Banditos or Rebels and Finks, Black Urlans, Coffin Cheaters, Satins Solders, Nomads, and numerous other smaller 1% affiliated OMGS, that along with their fortified clubhouse and unexplainable wealth, have in the past, before the criminal anti association laws started to be enforced by the police, to expose their real purpose of doing business to grow their power and size. They must all hold very good jobs in these hard times, because their lifestyle is not showing any signs of slowing down. Just look at the nice expensive bikes and high performance cars they drive around. They live beyond their means of any normal hard working Australian. And they are now largely building their OMG memberships from released notorious criminal from Australian Prisons and have a very large ethnic following. And don’t mind at all using violence and intimidation in public to show they mean business, with there aggressive , mucho image and reckless retribution and criminal activities in the general public venues and public gathering places, like shopping malls and even airports. They all claim to be just motor cycle enthusiast , but , That is just a convenient cover, for their real purposes. Otherwise they would not call them selves 1% er,s. Genuine Motor Cycle Clubs, no not ever carry on like the OMGS Bikers do!…………I don’t care I am at risk by these untouchables. These criminal organised crime networks are ruining this once great and innocent country. And flooding it with drugs and drug related violent horrible crimes on the daily increase, in every town in Australia. There reach is every where because of the growing need by some for the drug ice, speed, ghb, estacy, crystal meth, designer drugs, crack cocaine, heroin, cocaine, marijuana, and many more new kinds of party drugs being manufactured in back yard and highly organised drug manufacturing labs. And also being smuggled and imported from foreign overseas countries. You don’t now have to go to Columbia or Mexico for your nearest drug cartel or drug barons, There already running their clandestine and wholesale illegal drug manufacturing and trafficking activities at our back doors. We all have to stop them immediately in their tracks, before its already to late. There already got a hold on many of our young people, who will be the next generation to drug trafficking and criminals terrorising innocent people in their cities , towns and homes. I cannot ever recall so much daily brutal, horrible violence and murder , rape and vicious home invasions, armed robberies with violence, car jackings, unprovoked bashings, king hits, cowardly assaults and drug related crimes, criminal running around in daylight and dark in covered up hoodies to disquise their appearances and responsible for riotous violent , anti social behavior, hoon reckless driving, doing burn outs, speeding in fast cars, drug fuelled behaviour by out of control angry drug and alcohol intoxicated hoodlems and thugs, disturbing our safety and peace. And where do the all get their illegal drugs from….??? The OMGS, The drug cartals operating secretly under our very noses, showing no signs of slowing down in their high growth demand trafficking to other drug trafficking networks and endless customers, of the nightlife in any city and town. Because why good men and woman do nothing. Then these untouchables empires continue to grow. These organised criminal gangs might have the right to remain silent. But now as a former Prison Officer, I don’t. Any many of them already know me from when I was in Pentridge Prison and they already know what I stand for and hate me. Death threats and violence are nothing new to me. I hold my head high, with no fear. And they all know that. And they all know that they will not silence a former whistleblower.

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    • You are more valuable alive than dead. If you were posting your info anonymously it would be just as informative to the world.
      It’s your right but remember it is the World Wide Web.
      So would GBC be getting ‘harder’ being in prison or would he be protected from rubbing shoulders with the great unwashed? What do prisoners think of wife killers? Do they care?

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  29. Many prisoners are in for domestic homicide, wife and partner bashing or domestic violence. Child sex offending, rape, bashing, torture and even murder, like convicted bully and infant child basher and murder Prisoner: Paul Aiton, now released and free. And there are a large number of prisoners sentenced for violent rape. Clay wont have much to worry about, because they are a protected species like pedophiles and child sex offenders behind bars. He will be with his kind of company, if he requests to be held in Protective custody or the sexual offenders or rapist protection unit. Dangerous Rapists or Violent men who have abused their victims like women and children and baby bashers, do what they do as a act of power, domination or fear and control over their victims. They don’t see themselves as criminals. They do not see that they have done any wrong. This is the reason the commit homosexual acts on other prisoners in prison. There male prisoner victim, or bitch as they call them, are their prison way of fulfilling their sexual needs, by partaking in what they see as a normal relationship in jail. They enjoy anal sex, oral sex, sick methods of pornography fornication, gang homosexual rape and other means which are to gross to write about here. When I was a Prison Officer, 25 years ago, all prisoners whether they were on protection or not. Had endless available access to twisted Homosexual acts and all types of x-rated pornography magazines and nightly screening videos , cabled to their televisions in their cells. And I am talking about the most well known violent serial sex offenders and rapists and murderers. The Authorities in charge of the prison, allowed it, because it kept the prisoners happy and allowed them to fulfil their fantasies, and attempt to reduce prisoners raping other prisoners in their cells, during their let out of their cells time out, in the prison wings and tiers. Also while the prisoners were watching un-censored porn videos in their cells at night time lock-up, they were less likely to cause the nightshift Prison Officers trouble and less likely to plan a breakout or escape, from their cells. Jail is a no win and dangerous environment. If the Prison Officers on their watch, banned or removed pornography or video access to prisoners in their cells. They increased sexual tension and helped fuel the gang rape violence in the prison. Also it made dangerous rapist prisoners very difficult to handle, if they have no sexual relief when locked up for long periods of time. There were dangerous incidents of female Prison Officers being overpowered and dragged into prisoners cells, where they were raped by desperate inmates. Violent rapist are very scary to look after behind bars. When access to prison pornography was banned in all Victorian prisons, it did not slow down prisoners raping each other. So I don’t know what was the best measures to take. TO ban or not to ban porn in jail. It s a no win situation, managing dangerous sex offenders. And the law says they all have rights. So they cannot be locked away in solitary confinement or the hole, because they are very sexually active. Rapist also thrive on their power over their victims, and will use gross violence if they need to , and make their victim submit or get hurt, by forced rape or stabbed and bashed by a prison made weapon or shiv or shank, or strangulation, which they have also used in the same way on their victims of rape, before they were caught or when they were again released out of prison, in the community. Adrian Earnest Edwards/ Bayley and Peter Norris Dupas and Paul Denyer are examples of these types of prisoners that I am talking about. Nothing ever changes in the sick and twisted environment of prisons. Deviouts come and go. Let out of jail on parole, then back again for a worst crime. They can be given Sex Offenders councilling and rehabilitation in prison. But many of them will always be predators, no matter how they are handled behind bars. Just look at Prisoner: Derek Earnest Percy, sick and twisted to the very end after being locked up in the most secure unit of protective custody for 44 years. And he never confessed or told the police where he hid his many child murder victims. Even on his death bed……………………….
    Gerald Baden Clay and Simon Gittany will be in good safe company!…..NOT LIKE THEIR VICTIMS!!!….THEY WILL HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO PROTECTION AND ISOLATION FROM OTHER PREDATORS.BEHINDS BARS…………………………………………………….
    We the community are not afforded the same protection from early released parolee inmates.

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  30. What really both haunts and angers me, for all these years now, since I left the Prison Service, in 1994. Is that the passionate mercy for criminals, by a bleeding heart legal system. Always has and still does, even in 2013, continue handing out light sentences, way below the sentencing acts maximum sentence. And along with parole and early release. E.g Adrian Earnest Bayley with a dangerous and violent, rapist criminal record and numerous stints in gaol, still only get 15 years out of a maximum of 25 years, which a judge has the power to sentence him for rape, if he or her so choses!.. And these judges of criminal justice are case after case with there compassion for criminal rights, keep getting fooled by these cunning, manipulating and often intelligent scheming jail wise inmates, Peter Norris Dupas, Steven James Hunter, Adrian Earnest Bayley, Paul Denyer, Juilian Knight, Ivan Milat an the worst of the worst, are all prison institutionalised serial vexatious litigants and appellants of the courts, to this very day, while they are behind bars. And likes of so many more of their kind of predators inside Australian gaols, who get masters degrees become professors like Prisoner: Craig Minogue who done the Russell Street Victoria Police terrorist bombing in 1986. He is soon due out of jail, after doing his 28 years. And like so many prisoners has been educated and become a jail house lawyer, with other Victorian Prisoners who have educated them selves as lawyers. This lets them construct and prepare themselves and help other prisoners , locked up with them ,with their endless appeals, and ransoms and demanding of their human rights to the prison correctional system, by very cunningly showing the appearances of being smart and of a model prisoner of good behaviour in prison, with the exception of Steven James Hunter, who was already serving time for a brutal murder of a young women in 1986, and was an escapee and drug trafficker and a gang enforcer. He was sentenced to serve only17 years for that brutal crime. And was to have his sentence reduced by appeal, and given early release. He went on to re-offend with more brutal violence, and drug trafficking crimes. Served more time in prison and again and again granted parole and let free . The courts and the judges, as always with their leniency to hardened criminals, keep getting fooled by these evil men, that appear to have been reformed and rehabilitated. I knew all those years ago, from 1989, that these, scary creepy scumbags were all deviouts, dangerous and were beyond redemption. And so did the police. The most horrible violence, sexual rape and the tortures, the mutilations and disposal of there next victims bodies is beyond the darklands of human compassion and sane behavioural empathy. Because they were all deemed safe to release, time and time again, and unsupervised and given so many changes at freedom, even though, any Prison Officers, myself included, and the police and these prisoners case workers and behavioural science psychologists and prison psychiatric professionals who had worked with these inmates, for many years , while they re-offended in and out of gaol. The system kept giving them all, another chance. And the innocent community and all their new victims, payed the ultimate price, the senseless loss of theirs lives by brutal monsters, that were let out of their cages, and to continue their blood lust frenzy on who ever prey they so chose to stalk, hunt and kill, like a wild beast. What could, and should of been preventable by these predatory serial psychopaths was not considered or looked into thoroughly by the parole boards and courts justice system, with their balance of the scales of justice towards the prisoners rights and social justice and human rights, the legal system works by. And against the welfare and safety of victims at these beasts hands. And this is the end result of that failure. If only the system had been harsher and tougher, against these types of recidivist criminals and made sure they instead made sure they were securely locked them away in maximum high security gaol for the term of their natural lives and never to be released, and or even sentenced to capital punishment and given the death penalty…….And Criminals rights today, are still above the closure to their victims. Nothing changes. Its all about the protection and human rights and forgiveness of the guilty criminals.

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  31. Little Fish, I’m not quite sure about that! Although I sympathize with Former greatly. Even wish I could ease his suffering somehow; However, it is because of his experiences, that people like you and I, can have something of an insight into what REALLY goes on in Prisons.
    Another very serious matter has become evident by Former’s posts; is the utter stupidity of the Law which allows these people out into mainstream society.
    The talk about remorse or redemption or whatever any bleeding heart wants to call it; appears nothing but a sick joke.
    The notion of confidentiality which allows paedaphiles, murderers, rapists, criminals, bad people to live in mainstream society, so that the crook has all the protection, and the you and I type people are kept in the dark about them; That is WRONG in my opinion.
    To Former, I thank you graciously, and hope you will keep on posting frequently. You are a light in dark places, that most mainstream people never enter.
    I hope that you feel among friends here. Friends, (though gob-smacked at times) would be more than happy to assist you along life’s journey. I have been desperately thinking of ways I can set your mind on other matters. Like right here where I come from, my lightest moments are when I witness “Happy Hour” amongst the cattle. Somewhere between say 4.00pm and 5.30pm, all little baby calves dance and prance and go darting about, they skip and jump and almost do somersaults. Why? Simply because they can! Ha ha ! Apparently foals also have happy hour too! And I bet others here have stories about sheer abandonment, sheer joy, sheer exultation! The pure simplicity of Joie de Vie!
    Just enjoy the joy, the fun, the innocence for what it is!
    Your time in hell was not in vain, dear Steve, Former. (Whose new anonymous name I have been playing with.)

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    • I agree with everything you say, dear Queensland Country Lady.

      Steve, I call you “Former” as would QCL, as we are protective of you and only wish you happiness.

      You are brave, and if you ever want anything changed from your writings, please let me know.

      Former, if you want any contact, please contact in Feedback.

      We understand, and am so sorry for your disgusting and lousy treatment, when it should have been the opposite.

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  32. Thanks Admin and queenslandcountrlady, and all other writers. thankyou for understanding my experiences as a Prison Officer…….. As I was a old school screw, who served my tour of duty, and had to learn to soon became very hardened from the military discipline and strict regimental control of draconian convict style managment , on both Screws and Crims, as it was back then, and have to deal with the ever threat of violence, bashings and stabbings , prison rapes and riots, escapes, fires etc, from also tough hardened inmates, in the hard yards of the notorious H.M.Pentridge Prison, High Security Wings, of ”H”.Division, ”B”.Division, ”A”.Division, ”D”.Divisions, which were one of the last and oldest surviving, gaol lock up,s in the 150 year old bluestone convict era places of Hard Labour for criminals locked up in Victoria in the 1980,s and early 1990,s still surviving, and operational ,as a old Victorian era Maximum Security Gaol. And one of the last of them left in Australia that had not yet been closed down and replaced by the new rehabilitation modern correctional services style of humane containment prisons…………Former Prison Officers or Screws, Boss or Dogs as we were called from my time in the institutions, are not scared or frightened, or hide by the fact, that criminals who we once locked up and hated, are now free or dead on the outside after being released from gaol. Everyone who was a jailbird , knows your name. They all knew our names in gaol and hated us back in gaol, and I have no fear of them. OMGS, The Mafia gangsters and Drug Dealers and Armed Robbers, We both Knew we are worlds apart, and keep on the different side of the yellow line. And keep out of each others way, and that includes out of gaol also. I was known as Mr Dennis, by the most High Profile notorious and dangerous crims in Australian jails. Many of them are named on the Aussie criminals lists. And I sure they have read my posts. And they all know that I used to write then up in gaol. So its nothing new to them. They know were they stand with me. I used always to get told to watch my back and they would knock me, or kill me, bash me , rape me , you name it. But crims are like that, they tried to intimidate, and use standover tactics. It never worked on me though. I always stood toe to toe with them, even when I was outnumbered by many of them during my last bashing they inflicted on me. I Have wrote in my other letters, that I was twice bashed, when off duty. … I still stand tall towards them, they would have to kill me to silence me, because my training has taught me to survive and protect my self from these scumbags………. I am and was very proud of the service that I once provided to the Prison Service in Victoria. And even though it has over the last 25 years, cause me to suffer PTSD, And bitterness, at the way I was later removed from the service, due to my whistleblowing on drugs and systematic corruption. I til have no regrets that I served, and I have two bravery letters of commendation, from which to remember that back then I did make a small contribution and a difference to protecting and serving the community from our worst, evil criminals. I am proud to use my real name. Its the violent criminals and corrupt hierarchy that should run and hide and fear my honesty and openness to expose organised corrupt criminal rackets that they have had the code of silence and control over for so many years. I was not afraid to risk my life, any stop them from breaking out of prison. And I will never be afraid of them out of Gaol…………………….Gaol teaches you how to survive any situation. And I will never run or ever hide from these modern, bad arse gangsters , doing drive by shootings, bashing their enemies, trafficking firearms and designer drugs…….There is a short film on Youtube. Called Former Screws of Boggo Road. It shows that we Former Screws are not afraid to speak out, and we had a lot of dash and we look back with pride and honour on during our tour of duty and our service time in the old Prison Service………………….Cheers Everyone………………………….

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  33. Prisoner Steven James Hunter and his appeals lawyer, think he has too long a prison sentence. And his long sentence will give him no chance or hope to rehabilitate himself, and he will be of old age in his eighties and still be in prison, with no chance at all of freedom.to look forward too!……………………………………………
    Who the hell cares.!….. Prisoner:
    Steven Hunter your two innocent young victims, by your own brutal hands will never ever, now get a chance to live to old age at all, because you brutally and violently murdered them in cold blood, with no remorse or mercy and you cannot ever take that back you violent killer grub. And by you! and by you alone! you heartlessly took their lives forever and stopped to young innocent victims from ever getting the chance at a happy and fulfilling life., and destroyed their parents lives also………………You Murdered and burnt in a car your first victim in 1986.to dispose of her,, and in 2012,.Cold Blooded bashed and murdered and..Chopped up your latest victim young Sarah and disposed of her like trash in a wheelie bin.
    You Hunter should be thrown in the Maximum Security Trash can and composted into blood and bone, after having been hung from the gallows pole.. But that wont ever happen in Australia, so Release should never ever be given the option for you. Die in prison. with your mate Adrian Earnest Bayley. The Judge should of give you both 1000 years!…To make sure you die in gaol!……………………………..

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    • Full credit to you Steven for stepping in and doing what you could. Too many people don’t want to get involved and turn a blind eye to such events.

      Your response may have saved the young women’s life.

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  34. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/date-set-for-murder-trial-for-gerard-badenclay/story-fnihsrf2-1226723365598

    Just a reminder about the GBC’s trial for the alleged murder of ABC:
    1. Justice Glenn Martin listed the trial to begin on June 9, 2014
    2. A pre-trial recording of evidence is listed on February 24, 2014;
    3. A pre-trial hearing is listed on February 3 and 4, 2014;
    4. The trial will be heard before Supreme Court Justice John Byrne.
    5. Awaiting a decision re the admissibility of the counselling sessions.

    Cheers.

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  35. White Ribbon Day: Suzanne Northey shares her story of domestic violence. | http://bit.ly/1aRo7Gm #whiteribbonday #saynotoviolence

    TODAY is White Ribbon Day, Australia’s only national, male-led primary prevention campaign, which seeks to raise awareness about violence against women.

    In Australia alone, at least one woman is killed every week by a current or former partner.
    Suzanne Northey is a survivor.

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    • I was invited to a White Ribbon event but was confused. The men that are needing the support of other men will never go and my presence would add numbers but not support. It needs better PR and privacy. PR to push the message out to main stream media. A guy just like you who is a local ‘hero’ struggled with this. Privacy, in so much as men needing help need a hero and privacy.

      I think some keep it quiet in their lives by saying the wife needs a psychiatrist and counsellor to better understand me and my needs. He needs to go out when he wants to and not be challenged by his whereabouts and the staff he and his family employs. His job supports the whole family. Don’t challenge my investors (parents), late nights, business trips to Hamilton Island. He will say I work for you and the kids.

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    • Suzanne Northey is very brave and her story shows how it can happen to any woman (or man, I guess.) She so graphically describes the shock during the attack until she came to her senses thinking of her children. As it is White Ribbon Day today there are lots of articles in the media. I read one in the Courier Mail this morning where it was noted that the most dangerous time for someone in a domestic violence situation is when they try to leave the controlling partner. I always wonder if this is what happened to Allison BC, if she told GBC that night that she was leaving him and that’s when she met her awful demise. I feel pretty sure it was.

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      • Yeah, Sad for Allison … well, it’s alleged he needed the insurance money, so how was he gonna achieve it? He needed a trigger didn’t he? … just hypothesizin.

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        • Hypothesising … there was a fixed date by which the ‘deed’ needed to be done before the husband’s time to claim an insurance payout expired’ he must have been mindful of that alleging that financial gain was a motive? ABC announcing plans for divorce may have provided the trigger he needed that night? However it seems premeditation may be an element in this case?

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  36. https://twitter.com/amydale_tele/sta…33560298659841

    Simon Gittany to learn fate on Wednesday when Justice Lucy McCallum delivers verdict on whether he is guilty or not guilty of murder

    Here is another GBC
    The parallels with these two are astounding.
    Both reckon they are innocent. And will fight tooth and nail to prove this.
    Both show no remorse or emotion over their deceased partner.
    To be seen publicly beside a beautiful woman is the all important.
    Gittany’s reasoning:
    “A man is a real man when he has a beautiful woman beside him,”
    Gittany said before proposing to Harnum.
    Both have a history of violence.
    Both liars

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    • My Guess is that Gittany will be found guilty and be given a custodial sentence, based on the fact that the Judge revoked his bail.

      I suspect he will appeal the conviction, and seek bail as well.

      He would only get approval for an appeal if they can find some flaw in the Judges procedure, but I doubt he would get bail unless they find some major error in process.

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  37. For the most blatent waste of taxpayers money, check out on Youtube: Pentridge J.Division Demolision, 30 October 2013… What a crime this is. This modern part of H.M. Pentridge Prison was only built in the 1970,s. It was a Maximum Security Unit for long term prisoners serving life or very long terms of imprisonment. Some of its most notorious inmates were Juilian Hoddle Street Knight, Raymond Mr Stinky serial murderer Edmonds, Ted School Kidnapper Eastwood, James Frederick Bazley, Clive & Anthony Stone Brothers Brutal murderers, Paul Steven Haig serial murderer, and Steven James Hunter, for his first murder……. I was a state of the art, modern conditions, well run high security unit. All the cells had self contained showers and computers and televisions to make the long term crims more comfortable, not like the other harsh conditions of Pentridge. Before Pentridge was closed in 1997, it had a very large swimming pool and gym body building equipment in front of it and its own exercise yard. Everything in this prison unit was modern for the times. It would have cost the liberal government in power then, millions of dollars to build, also at around the same time in 1975, the liberal government spent around $ 9 million dollars
    building the then new K.Division or Jika Jika, Super Maximum High Security unit. It was demolished in 2002, Why are the Governments of both powers, closing down well designed modern prison blocks like this and wilfully destroying such still fully functional well built buildings
    The prison system in Australia and Victoria has for decades, as well as still today, had massive problems with prisons being overcrowded, including all the police custody cells, with the ever increase in crime and violent criminals needing to be safely locked away from the community.
    Yet they knock down or close a prison, only to keep building more modern luxury prisons, at great cost of millions and millions of dollars to the governments and taxpayers. Why cant they just keep using the existing prisons that have already been built. What a gross waste of what was a fully functioning and secure security prison building. Its all so wrong the government waste!…………..

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    • Steve; J division was built prior to 1968 it started as 2 dormortries. Mid 1968 they started on another wing on the left of it.it was the YOGS. the screw who surrended his rifle to Ronald Ryan committed suicide there on his watch later.in the 70’s they converted it to single cells for long sentences for some hard core crims to give them a attitude change.they had privilages there not anywhere else in pentridge if they stuffed up they were out back to B division where it wasn.t so cosy. it served it’s purpose from radicals to behaving themselves.i was in there 1968 for 3mnths for the serious crime of vagrancy at 19yrs old.yea it was a crime in those days to be broke and down on your luck.i got arrested in Nth Melbourne walking from factory to factory applying for a job. BULL-SHIT isn’t it. anyway that’s how I know. a bit before ur time there. it was a bad proposal to put yogs in dorms it was a breeding ground for trouble. cheers

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  38. GITTANY FOUND GUILTY OF MURDER !

    What else could the Judge find given the evidence submitted.

    As good as this news is, it does not bring Lisa back.

    There are no pretty young women to hold his hand where he is going.

    Let us hope the Rachel accepts the verdict, and moves on with her life, as she could have been next.

    May he rot in hell.

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    • ditto …Simon Gittany found GUILTY of the murder of Lisa Cecilia Harnum. Justice was done, the judgement was thorough IMO. Much of SG’s evidence was found to be insincere and shallow, made up from borrowed details and “unconvincing” in the opinion of the Judge. WOW! Gotcha!

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  39. Judge only trial. She left no stone unturned. Meticulously thorough. Wow, I think GBC might think twice before requesting Judge only. Sensational.
    His sidekicks provided some theatrics at the end. Bits of attention seeking from the Actor, who apparently is just that. Consummate Actor. (Needs a bit polish)
    His mother swooned and an ambulance was called, which she then declined.
    Detracted for a time from the victim’s family, all the way from Canada.
    Lisa Harnum’s mother, Joan remained dignified, gracious, though clearly deeply anguished. Her courage shone through like a beacon through dark places.
    She offered words of love, support and wisdom to help others avoid such a terrible situation.
    She expressed heartfelt gratitude to all who helped with Justice.

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    • Great Summary QCL,,
      Anyone in a situation such as Lisa Was needs to walk away and go to the nearest Police Station or Women’s Shelter at the earliest opportunity.

      There is no need to concern themselves with collecting their personal possessions, nothing matters except their own safety and well being.

      If anyone feels their life is at risk, go and go now. our charities and Police are very capable of providing the protection necessary.

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  40. There is an amazing transcript entitled Justice Lucy McCallum’s verdict in full. 501 paragraphs.

    Well worth reading. The Judge was meticulous and professional!
    Not good for a guilty bloke trying to claim innocence, trying to act above the Law.

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  41. Dan, well said, I find that the Victoria police are being more proactive now to reported Domestic assaults and their response times to a incident is now being taken more serious, and with a quicker response time, than has been the case in the past. They are becoming more respondent, professional and understanding towards the victim, when they act on a report of Domestic Violence being reported on a emergency 000 call. Having just the other day having witnessed an aggressive violent assault on a young lady, who lived near by me, in a block of public housing units. I immediately observed and reported to them, a woman needs urgent help, from a possible domestic crime. When I heard this women screaming out, while the offender was bashing her. By the time I got to her unit, the male offender ran off quickly to his car, and sped of down the road. Less than a minute later, 4 male, Police Officers and two divisional vans arrived at the scene, with their full tactical equipment and firearms ready to make an arrest. I felt so bloody powerless that I hadn’t got to the women quicker, but now days you hesitate, because of the risk to your own life by a crazy violent offender. I was only in thongs an was unable to run after the speeding vehicle, to get a look at his number plate. But lucky the police just arrived at the crime scene after The Offender had just got away by a matter of seconds speeding in his powerful vehicle, driving recklessly down the road. But the police were able to put out a APB, to another police unit and other police were to later catch him, as his vehicle and the offender were well known to the local police. And the assaulted lady was able to give police, his vehicle registration number, and his name to the police. Hopeful this quick action by the police tracking him down and arresting him and locking him up. Saved what could have been another brutal murder, or at the very least another victim with life long physical and mental injuries. I first saw this violent male low life drive into the victims driveway only two minutes before he started to bash her up. The problem with going to the aid or help of a victim being assaulted by a aggressive violent male, is that the witnesses can also become a target of the aggressors anger. So it can be a potentially dangerous situation to approach and help the powerless victim, at the very risk of becoming a victim as well. Also no one can be sure what alcohol influence or illegal drugs the offender is pumped up on. And or what dangerous police record the offender has or if they have been in jail, or have if the have their mates with them, its all a unknown quantity, and can make people very hesitant to help out, even though the defenceless lady was yelling out blood curling screams… This is why I now know that the other neighbours and other public housing residents in the block of units next to the assault victim, did not want to go to her help or get involved, and were to afraid to leave their units, because they were too scarred of the offender, or what violence he was capable of and they all stayed inside their units, and saw nothing. And would not talk to the police… Also the victim could not escape or walk away from the perpetrator, only scream out loud, because, he took her by surprise and overpowered her in her own home. Domestic Violence victims are at the danger and mercy of this type of dangerous overpowering offender and are unable to defend them selves, and there is little chance of getting any outside help, because it is a silent home invasion. And a lot of times, the victim being assaulted, can not be heard by any other people or neighbours nearby .
    And that is why a lot of Domestic Violence, goes unreported, or the offender gets away with it.
    The Gerald Baden Clay and Simon Gittany murder cases, most likely started out as Domestic Violence, by these two , and also with Adrian Earnest Bayley he was violent to his partners and his victims of all his rapes and eventually went on to stalk his poor innocent victim Jill Meagher as seen on all the CCTV footage. This is testament to their violent, overpowering natures, and the fact that they still see themselves as normal men and not guilty of their crimes, and harshly done by in their sentencing by the courts. The same with young Sarahs murderer, Prisoner Steven James Hunter, he thinks he has been sentenced to harshly, and will be to old when he eventually gets out of prison. Its time for the sentencing and appeals judges to Stand Up and ignore these dangerous list of growing violent men, and set an example to them all, that they need to be locked up in jail for life or a very, very long time, and suffer a isolated, hard life in the overcrowding prison………….. After all their victims, will never ever get another chance at life, because these lifetakers showed them no mercy.!……………………………………………………………..
    And I Agree with you Bill, these modern crims don’t know what being locked up in the old J.Division Young Offenders Dorms or YOGS and the Old C.Division vagrancy, paupers cell blocks and E.Division Dormortries in the late 1960,s and early 1970,s….. They were indeed hard times, and breeding grounds for up and coming crims. And places of gang rape at night time after lock up. That was one of the reasons for shutting down Pentridge, to do away with the Dorms. But the new modern Prisons are starting to now double bunk their single cells, because of the now crisis in police lock ups and the prisons all now getting overcrowed, because of the increasing crime today out there in the wild streets. Cheers Bill, I like your interesting history of H.M.Pentridge in the Ronald Ryan Days.before J.Division was built in 1968. It was very tough in Pentridge back then, with the old hard basher Screws. Did you know Peter Walker, Ronald Ryan and Bill O,Mearly, also did you ever meet the Chief Screw in charge of H.Division, named The Black Prince, with his Senior Screw, Marchall. Just like to hear what your opinion of them was. I did work with some of them before they retired. They hated crims.
    I Think some of these young up starts and tough thugs in Barwon Prison, running the show, need a bit of the harsh treatment that was once dished out on old Bill O,Mearly,The man they couldn’t break in the 1950,s and 1960,s, by The Black Prince and his bash house team of hardened Screws, in the then new built ”H”.Division Punishment Block for Hard Labour. I never met poor old Bill, but I know his time in the old Hell Division was very brutal. He was the last man sentenced in Victoria to corporal punishment with the Cat”,o”, nine Tails . And he was staved, and beaten daily, and forced to crush bigs into littles, breaking rocks in the labour yards, and throwing them through the small traps, with the armed screw,” yelling on the cross,” from the above H.Division Tower. How prison times have changed since the 1960,s Bill. When the crims had no rights and were treated less than human. That was prison with hard labour.! CHEERS MATE, Glad you survived those hard times in The OLD J.Dorms. Pentridge stir. Please Bill write more about your recollections of your time in the old H.M.Pentridge, before all this history is lost forever. Do you remember the doco filmed in Pentridge in 1974, there was a lot, shown on the old J.Division, YOGS, Dorms and the Prison Officers who ran it, under Governor George Crim. I have ben trying to get a copy of this film for years. But I THINK THE ABC, destroyed the original copy, when they used to just tape over old film footage in the 1970,s. I once had a copy on video, but I accidently taped over it. It would be good to get a copy of it from someone a put it up on youtube. for all to see some of our lost penal history……

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      • that’s a holiday resort to what pentridge was..if u asked to make a telephone call in there back in the 60’s they would have asked what drugs are u on boy cause ur tripping.

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      • I’m a bit gobsmacked at the menu?? Envious in fact! Morning coffee to boot. Should have to buy it through vending machines. Oh the cutbacks many of us in here would love the power to make in some of these places…. I’d relish the opportunity to conduct cost saving audits!! I hope the media will stop mentioning Gittany’s girlfriend – would be sickening to see her ‘career’ benefit in any way.

        On Baden-Clay, I do wish for the trial to be over sooner rather than later for poor Allison’s family, to finally see some justice handed down. On the plus side (if there can be one in this situation?), I am pleased the mental anguish of life hanging in the balance goes on for GBC. The not knowing. Alone with his thoughts in a cage. What if… Tick… tick… tick…. Or has he convinced himself that there will only be a good outcome of walking free? (In line with his deranged logic)

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        • Good to see you pop up again Pie Shop

          It was Gittany’s reputation as a self obsessed, deceitful, manipulating narcissist that was the main factor in him being found guilty. There is far more evidence of Self Obsession, Deceit, Manipulation and Narcissism in GBC’s case, so I do not see how any barrister could possibly mount a case that could get GBC off. I just wish he was headed to the Gallows rather than life in prison.

          I often wonder if and when we will see some further charges laid for being an accessory to or after the fact of murder as it is patently obvious that there were others involved given his team of helpers the morning after.

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          • Yeah, Gittany, ya murdering swine! Of course your rellies believed you … cause you had ‘male dominance’ in a patriarchal family…. the special son who could do no wrong. eh?… went home, sat on the couch and cried in front of them …telling em “baby, baby, baby, what were you thinking?”…gettin’ their attention, their sympathy … upsetting em’ … What a manipulating swine!

            Your rellies only believed you ’cause thats what YOU told ’em. YOU made them believe that Lisa committed suicide! They supported your story in Court!

            Just as well we have Judges who know how to analyse influence upon families and friends. Well, your’e a convicted murderer now.

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  42. Cheers Caro: Maybe there is a divine intervention and a higher power up there, looking over this case, that has made things right and give a sign to the Judge, to not believe Simon Gittanys pack of lies, that he and his defence lawyer tried to sell to the court, that is his victim fiancée Lisa Harnam committed suicide and jump to her death.
    Simon Gittanys pack of lies, may now see he gets what he now deserves. His own in-justice served on him in jail and now be dominated to and bullied and stood over.by a group of desperate, violent, dangerous mean tattooed solid built inmates, looking for a new bitch, in the weight training gym or another, new fish male hore, for their long lonely nights, double bunked up close and personal in the cell blocks. Or if he doesn’t like the idea of being their jail bitch, he always has the option to run and jump or fall of the top cell block tier, railing and fly like a bird. This is Gittany,s Karma the violent controlling bully, murderer !.. He better get some tin under pants made up for him in the prison metal workshop. HA HA., And wear his white ribbon on his green issue prison uniform…….Liar Liar pants on fire–These boots are made for walking and that’s what they will do- One these days these boots are going to walk all over you, Prisoner Simon Gittany..!…..Will he enjoy his time in Stir..!…………………………….

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  43. Hi all :) Off topic, but just finished reading bestseller ‘In Sheep’s Clothing – Understanding & Dealing with Manipulative People’ (George Simon Jr). What a great book…. have had that many light bulbs going off in my head, I could be used in a Christmas display. Will be buying a copy to hand to my son when he’s ready for it.

    Is that snow falling on the page or am I getting a migraine?

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  44. Yeah lock Simon Gittany up to suffer isolation and high security conditions with John Travers and the Murphy Brothers, those evil scumbags lowlife murderers and torturing rapists of nurse Anita Cobby. And live in hell with these outcasts, who hopefully will never be released, except in a cardboard coffin. Gittany suffer you mongrel. It would be still better though if he could be locked up in the old H.M. Pentridge ”H”.Division of the old H.M. Long Bay Katingal Gaol. Maybe while he is on suicide watch, he could cut off his finger like Ivan Milat………I hope the maggot gets his right whack in jail. Cant live on protective custody for ever, for 16 hours lockup and exercise , pacing in a small high security cage……….”Prisoner ‘ Gittany step up, and move to the Officer, stop! Remove your prison issue uniform, hand it to the searching Prison Officer to search for contraband. Now bend over and touch you toes, spread your cheeks wide open, hold, step up, now lift your scrotum, squat and hold, step up, now open your mouth, put out your tongue, lift your top and bottom lips, remove your dentures, if you have them, place them on the table. Now raise you arms , wiggle your fingers, put your fingers through your hair. Now lift up your feet, one at a time and wiggle your toes. Now get dressed in this white prison issue suit, turn around and let the officers zip it up and lock it. Turn around, now Gittany move on and hand your indentification pass and movement pass to the officer”.!!!……………………………………..Another day in the jail, and on his contact visit to his new girlfriend. Ha Ha.! Will he get angry with her.?……………………………………………………………….

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  45. Readers, check out, ABC, news.com. Exposing Murderer” Simon Gittanys, ”convictions and violent dark past of drugs , theft and violent assault dating back to 1991. One of his early assaults was on a store keeper who was the father of one of his girlfriends, who owned a store in a shopping centre in Sydney, where Gittany started a violent altercation over shopstealing and returned, later with 12 other male thugs and held this defenceless victim store owner, and bashed him with violent blows to the victim, all while his thug mates with excessive force, retrained the victim so he could not defend himself from Gittanys brutal punches. And much more on this scumbags violent record. He should of been in jail years ago…………………

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  46. Hey my last post went missing ?

    I saw Nigleaine and the BWANA mobile at the ABC memorial at Kholo brige on Mt Crosby Road just before luchtime Monday !!!

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    • Yes, JJE, I posted to let you know, I saw it disappear as I was cleaning out. I am so sorry :(

      We have had another report, too, privately (thank you :D )

      The other report said that Nigel appeared to be pacing a distance out while Elaine appeared to be keeping watch.

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      • Very interesting observations.

        My question is how might Nigel possibly have known what points were relevant to pace out, unless of course he had been there and had known exactly what occurred on the night concerned.

        Elaine’s presence while he was pacing the distance suggests she is privy to Nigel’s current activities.

        I wonder if they are listed as witnesses and are trying to corroborate some story.

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        • Any mention from the observers whether old Tone was holding the dumbend of the tape measure whilst old bwana was stepping out the distance ? You can bet that she will be riding to their instructions also. Maybe bad Mumma has taken over calling the shots now – anything to get the wonder boy off thus freeing up the funds for their retirement. One nasty family here – hope they all have problems sleeping !

          Bad Mumma would be more than looking on as I feel that she may be caling the shots now

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          • No – I don’t drink. I just had all sorts of problems posting with 2 steps forward then 4 steps back then disappearing off the page altogether.
            Hope you get my drift ?

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      • Hi JJE,

        As you can see, anything long goes straight to another folder. WordPress has always done this, so sorry for the hassle.

        Please, make sure you have a copy and let me know if you don’t see it appear.

        We have 200 spam to 1 post at present.

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            • Thanks for reposting JJE, amazing. As you say, two that refused to be interviewed. Remember these lines also: Olivia Walton said. ”My family and I miss her and we grieve for her on a daily basis.” Ms Walton believes her brother is innocent. ”We implore the police to investigate every avenue so there’s no miscarriage of justice in this case,” she said. It’s a pity she didn’t implore Nigel, Elaine and herself to talk to the police given her passion to investigate every avenue.

              The house of cards will fall – we just have to be patient.

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                • Hi Dan, No way has this thread ended. Simmering away very nicely and healthily thank-you.
                  In the light of the Lisa Harnum/ Simon Gittarney matter, (thanks JJE for drawing attention here): it is my opinion that given a good Judge, educated, astute and aware; both Simon Gittarney and Brazen Clay are Done (like a dog’s dinner), Discovered, Found out and Fried. (Unless there is corruption within the Justice System)
                  Both of these cases share eerie similarities, including the complete lack of remorse or sorrow over the demise of the departed partner.
                  Also including the theatrics and antics of the close associates and/ or relatives.
                  “Nooooo! You’ve got it wrong! He is innocent!”
                  BTW Are those cameras properly focussed? A cigarette lighter please. A LIGHTER!! (spoken emphatically, sophisticatedly, theatrically, poised and pointed….) …..forget the dreadful details of the case in question!!!…????
                  And also, don’t want to waste a good photo-shoot opportunity. (OW) (Did I make a …. good impression?)
                  Not long to wait now for Justice for Allison Baden Clay.
                  And on a REAL note, I would like convey to all contributors here Best Wishes for Christmas 2013 and the New Year 2014.

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                  • Thanks QCL. I agree with our sentiments re the similarities between GBC and Gittany. The only differences are that Gittany acted on impulse and alone, whereas GBC actions were premeditated, and involved the co-operation of others.

                    There is much more real evidence to rely upon in the GBC Trial, so I cannot see any way of him being acquitted.

                    I do wonder if charges are pending for the relatives, but the Qld Police are deferring laying them until after GBC’s Trial for fear of prejudicing the outcome of his trial.

                    Happy Christmas and New year to all Bloggers here.

                    I wonder if the residents of AGCC get some Chritmas Pudding with White Sauce on Christmas day, I hope not, stale bread and salty water would be more fitting.

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  47. OK Hello troops,
    I saw Nigel and Elaine at the ABC memorial at Kholo bridge on Monday as I was driving along Mt Crosby Rd through Ugly Gully inbound.

    Elaine is a much bigger woman than she looks in pictures in the media. She is huge. Maybe it was her atrocious choice of wide-waist pants, that gave her the look of someone manning a stall at a carnival. She stood astride the memorial facing the road, starring blankly into the woods opposite, with the immovable posture of an Easter Island ‘Moai’ statue, of which she resembled. Her back was to the memorial, and she was standing in a position very visible to passers, which I found bizzare (when mourning at a memorial, don’t you stand facing it?) Flanking her nearby was the enforcer, Nigel, who looked the dapper part in his bright white Panama hat, sunnies, polo shirt, slacks and cheap running shoes… appearing to walk back and forth between the memorial stone and the cross with sunflowers (which is closer to the creek), he looked like an aged and tacky version of the Tailor of Panama, pondering his next move on the chessboard.. The ridiculous Panama hat he was wearing indicates their ongoing predisposition for lionizing the colonial narrative, of which they are so clearly proud and draw their heritage from…

    The silver Holden statesman was parked, it’s personalised number-plates announcing to all passing lowly Aussie-plebs just who is the boss of the Western suburbs.
    I have seen the BWANA mobile in the driveway at 16 Durness St, but this is first time I noticed the statesman has little Australian flag-themed stickers covering the rear-view mirrors… What an Aussie patriot Nige is…

    I actually drove past them, did a u-turn in Wirrabara street, made a second pass, u-turned again in Bunya St and made a 3rd pass, by which time, public display of mourning over, the BCs were re-entering their vehicle and proceeding Kenmore bound, clearly above the 70km/h speed limit.

    It all struck me as a public display – for the public, to be seen by the public.. a lame, ongoing attempt to drum up support for their family – which extended no such support to the Dickies. I was beside myself that they would visit the scene of their sons ‘alleged’ crimes in this public fashion, with local feeling still very much raw.. Tact and discretion obviously don’t come naturally to the Baden-Clay clan. We have all learnt that! The other passing motorists and myself just slowed down as we passed, giving them a good, long, cold, slow, hard icy-glare… And that’s just what they deserve…

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    • Thanks very much for your post JJE! Where tact & discretion are concerned I’m surprised they weren’t making out on the car bonnet…. using Allison’s memorial as their new lovers’ lane. Thanks for your amusing description of Ma B-C. Lowered my level of rage to about a 9. Sickening bastards. I don’t know if I could be as discrete or dignified as you JJE. The temptation to wind down the window & share a few sentiments would’ve been all too hard to resist. Appreciate having your eyes on the ground :)

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    • Hi Country Lady..
      It was a surreal moment. A glorious sunny QLD day with clear blue skies, birds chirping.. And the Baden-Clays, on display for all motorists on Mt Crosby Rd to view, standing there like royalty, almost like a monarch on display to it’s passing subjects… the large frame of Elaine had the aura of an empress, of which we were privileged to view. And that’s what bugs me about what I saw: the visual impression left was of their importance, not ABC’s – it was about them being seen ‘mourning’ there. Nigel’s Panama hat isn’t a typical ‘old mans felt hat’ that you would typically see in the back window of a beat-up FC Holden parked outside the local bowls club-RSL. His was fine straw with a black wrap-around… the hat was bright white and almost blinding… And it is typical of the Baden-Clays – who are essentially upper-lower-middle class ‘battlers’ but aspire to be recognised as much more, and carry on punching above their weight with the absurd upper-class charade (i.e. the hunting lodge skulls on their suburban fibro 3 bedder, the name change upon moving to OZ, the numberplate that reeks of imperial, racial arrogance), and who don’t realize that class-based systems of Victorian/Edwardian 19th century England don’t apply in the 21st century Australia, which they clearly view through their warped colonial, Rhodesian mentality.

      And after seeing them at Kholo, I think back to Detective Roddick’s affidavit during the first bail hearing when it was confirmed that the Baden-Clay parents had refused interview requests from police. I can feel my blood temperature starting to rise…

      I’m looking forward to the day I see Nigel driving the statesman with the trailer attached. That’ll be worth following…

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  48. Former Adelaide man Robert Arthur Meade jailed for killing ex-wife Sally | The Advertiser

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/former-adelaide-man-robert-arthur-meade-jailed-for-killing-exwife-sally/story-fni6uo1m-1226780654818

    “A jury found Meade, 52, guilty of murder after a five-week trial. It was a circumstantial case, as there were no witnesses to the crime and no scientific evidence linking Meade to the scene.”

    Circumstantial
    No witnesses
    No scientific evidence

    Surely this bodes well

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  49. Developments on the BC case in court this morning. Mr Business-As-Usual was in court today, represented by the very capable Mr Shields. The counsellor has been ordered to appear as a witness. Although not mentioned in the relevant CM or BT articles, it has been said previously that BC’s legal team were not opposing the counsellor giving evidence… I wonder if that is the case now… (keep in mind his legal team has changed). A glance at the ruling and reporting indicates this is still the case. And previously the counsellor – through her barrister – has argued that the sessions were ‘confidential’… Thankfully this judge has sensibly ruled otherwise

    Reveal all, I say… Reveal all and let everyone see for themselves…

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/badenclay-counsellor-can-give-evidence-20131219-2zmld.html

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