Gerard Baden-Clay Trial-Day 3


The Allison Baden-Clay Murder

All previous threads and history including trial can be found clicking on link below https://aussiecriminals.com.au/category/gerard-baden-clay/

List of Trial Witnesses as they appear here

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12 Jun 2014 – 11:11 AM  UPDATED 12 Jun 2014 – 6:52 PM
A woman’s cry and screams were heard coming from the Baden-Clay’s house the night Brisbane mother Allison Baden-Clay vanished, a court has heard.

A woman’s cry rang out in the Baden-Clays’ suburban Brisbane street the night Allison Baden-Clay vanished, a court has heard.

Neighbours have told the murder trial of Gerard Baden-Clay they heard a yell or screams coming from the direction of the couple’s house on the night of April 19, 2012.

Baden-Clay, a former real estate agent, reported his 43-year-old wife missing from their Brookfield home in Brisbane’s west the next morning.

He is standing trial in the Brisbane Supreme Court charged with her murder.

“I can’t describe it as a scream, it was more of a startled, cut-short exclamation,” said Kim Tzvetkoff, who lived across the road from the couple.

His wife Julie said she heard “a sharp yell out, like an urgent yell out”.

“I believe it came from the area of the Baden’s house,” she told the court.

Several streets away, Fiona White said she heard two high-pitched screams, like “someone falling off a cliff”, about the date of the woman’s disappearance.

Another local woman told the court she heard an argument, a scream, a “loud thud” and the screech of car tyres that night.

Under cross examination she agreed she didn’t tell police when they doorknocked her house 10 days later, and didn’t report it until May 30.

And a man who lived 500 metres from the bridge above where Allison Baden-Clay’s body was found said he heard two heavy thuds “like a sandbag” being thrown on the ground, then a car door shutting that night.

Meanwhile, Gerard Baden-Clay’s father told the trial that although he was very close to his son, Gerard and Allison had been a “private” couple.

Nigel Baden-Clay’s first statement in the witness box was to correct the prosecutor’s pronunciation of his son’s given name.

Mr Baden-Clay told the court he found out about Allison’s depression well after she married his son, and that sometimes when he visited them the house would be in semi-darkness, with Allison lying on the couch.

He said his son phoned him on the morning of April 20, 2012.

“Gerard said to me, dad, I don’t want to alarm you but have you seen Allison?” he said.

“She hasn’t come back from her walk yet and I’m a bit worried about it.”

According to Mr Baden-Clay, his son sounded “anxious but trying to be calm” and the older man went straight over to mind the children while his son looked for his wife.

Allison Baden-Clay’s body was found 10 days later on a creek bank in nearby Anstead.

Baden-Clay, 43, has pleaded not guilty to murder.

He again shed tears during Thursday’s proceedings when a distressing video recording of his youngest daughter being interviewed by police the day her mother went missing was played to the jury.

Baden-Clay cried in the dock on Wednesday when similar recordings of his two other daughters were shown.

The trial continues.

 

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Author: Robbo

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284 thoughts on “Gerard Baden-Clay Trial-Day 3”

  1. Day Three – Thanks Robbo and all here for your contributions – because of work – it is easier to sit and read each day (as this new format is delivered) at the end of the day – thanks!

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  2. Trial days are Monday to Thursday (NOT on Fridays)
    There are only about 30 odd seats free for the public in Court #11. The rest is reserved/ taken up by family of both sides and their immediate support teams. Allison’s parents, Nigel Baden-Clay and Olivia Walton are not present as they are potential witnesses. EBC attends with her support team as she is not listed as a witness. (Probably bolstered after the Pistorius trial I should imagine).

    Public gallery is behind the accused so no clear view of him. Overflow is in Court #17 upstairs.

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    1. Wow, thanks MM, that is sideline eye stuff.If I could get a cheap flight up I will go for at least one day,Just to see this poor excuse of a husband and father once.Is there a first in best dressed setup? (minus reserved seating for family etc) Thanks Rob

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      1. Yep – need to be a burly, pushy, anti-crimefighter whom is prepared to use elbows to get in… You don’t get a good look at him unless he turns around looking for support from mummy dearest, but al least you’re in the room and can imagine smelling the fear…

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        1. That’s me MM, I’m not flying from Melbourne to miss out on a peek during this trial! haha I think as the trial gets into “the cowards” movements and actions, interest will rise for those seats

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  3. I think he has smothered her with a pillow whilst she is sitting on the couch watching tv. This is how she has managed to scratch his face fighting for her dear life. IMO only!

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  4. oh forgot to mention his “early morning” googling before calling the police reporting her missing. Very incriminating! what a scumbag, hope he does not get away with this and goes to jail for life! I just don’t understand how his family especially sister believes he is innocent. IMO

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        1. Didn’t he say he googled it to explain to his mother what they meant? EBC doesn’t strike me as an uneducated person.

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  5. Sparky, Snowy and Bruce… The Captiva, the Prado and the Statesman… lol this gets more comical by the day…

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  6. These questions about what the kids took when sick in the interviews and how they didn’t hear anything and so on.

    He bloody doped them up with dimitab and kids panadol etc I reckon, knocked them out as to enable him to do his dirty work. More premeditation!!!

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    1. WOULDN’T surprise me either… was the dirty work done in the house (living room or another room) or did the scumbag lure her outside and clobber her? Neighbours heard stuff, they are yet to testify.

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      1. I think whatever happened, happened outside of the house. Combined with the neighbours reporting of screams etc, and the plant material found on the body. I really don’t think he would’ve taken the risk of being disturbed by the kids in doing it inside.

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        1. Easier to clean up as well. Just a simple hose down. Wasn’t Nigel observed by the police the next morning loading the a hose and vacuum cleaner into the boot of his Statesman or “Bruce”… They actually told him to stop, if I recall the record of interview correctly, and he explained it as stuff he needed to clean some rental properties… Think about it – wife missing, morning panic setting in, assumably the BC’s have converged to help “search” for ABC, police arrived – and Bwana decides to load up the boot…. what odd behaviour when somone is “missing”..

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          1. Yep NBC was told to stop removing hose and vacuum cleaner on the morning of Alison’s disappearance. I’m looking for award to hearing senior police officer Hammonds testimony she was the one who stopped NBC and called it a murder investigation that morning. I’m pretty sure they have the content of that vacuum cleaner

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      1. Women’s finger nails are usually longer and most women file them in to a curve. A razor produces nicks straight cuts and a red rash or dots if you have sensitive skin. the fact that he grew a beard right after doesn’t help support his BS. But minds like his he does expect people to believe him because after all he is such a nice guy….

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  7. The “Big Game Hunter”, professed “Environmentalist” and self-declared “Marriage Enhancement Facilitator”, AKA Nigel, has his grandchildren address him as “Bwana”… my god, the BC side of the family doesn’t cease to amaze…

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      1. Kat- me too! And having your grandchildren call you that? He is demented. NBC is capable of anything. Who knows what unspeakable deeds he has done in his life prior to this.

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  8. We are 20 crown witnesses in, lunch 3rd day.

    Certainly slow and steady, foundation stuff. I expect after lunch we will hear from more residents from the vital locations (maybe 5 to 10 more witnesses just from the 1st important 24 hours).

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  9. “Beyond reasonable doubt” eh?

    So what else could the jury conclude on just these key facts:

    All six botanical species found in the hair were from tree matter at the home. Only three species at the site where body was discovered.
    And blood matter and a hair sample in the boot of a car!

    Case for suicide? Durh!

    Means and motive!

    GBC…the smoking gun is getting closer to you. If not you, then who?

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  10. I’d love to be able to question Bwana…surely some astute questions would set him up for perjury?

    Bwana, did you at any stage suspect or question your son over his possible direct involvement in the disappearance of his wife?
    Were you awake, and outside of your family home on the night of the disappearance?
    Were you aware of the life insurance policy and did you read its contents within three months prior to the deceased going missing?
    Did you discuss any of its contents with others?

    Aha yes, I’m sure others will think up some savvy questions to put to the great man.

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    1. Absolutely, months of rehersals and getting the story straight turns to crap when one climbs up into the box to give evidence. Even with your counsel holding your hand…

      That is even before you get cross examined and turn to jelly

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    2. Hi Shadow, if today’s Bwana testimony is anything to go by, you’d either get a porky story or “not that I recall”…

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  11. the medication questions to the kids are interesting, wonder what that is about. also the question about whether their dad has any allergies….

    ??? thoughts?

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    1. Hi pinkshoes and everyone else, I think medication questions directed to children was about determining if anything was given to them to keep them asleep during the violence that ensued that night. Don’t about the allergy question about GBC. Guess it will start to make more sense as the trial progresses.

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      1. Yeah, sounds like it Halifax fp. Then again, medication could have still been given to them without their knowledge – like crushed up and mixed into their mince, ice-cream or drink. [The dosages for ages are listed on the back of these packs].

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        1. Phenergan is usually in liquid form for kids. Adults tend to want tablets. It would be interesting to know whether it was liquid or tablet.

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    2. Maybe testing the supposed allergic reaction he claimed form caterpillars….or maybe they found empty antihistamine packets the next morning, many of them known to cause drowsiness and put people to sleep. Could be good for kids that you want to sleep soundly…hmmm…

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    1. I think name mis-pronounciations are the least of GBC’s worries. And this, from a man who refused police interviews when his daughter-in-law was “missing”. What snide arrogance…

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  12. i just saw tweets from a reported in the courtroom. one says NBC says he went in pyjamas, next tweet says he says he got dressed then went. i guess when your lying you can’t remember your story??

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  13. The Big Game Hunter also slipped up when talking about the cars.

    NBC “said he drove home in his daughter Olivia Walton’s car but became unclear when it came to the chronology on whether he had walked to the Brookfield State School to pick it up”.

    With so much car-related activity, nocturnal and diurnal, and so many cars, some with nicknames like ‘Snowy’ and ‘Sparky’ and the upper-crust-sounding ‘Bruce’, and some assumably without; I would forget a few things too… jeez, GBC’s lawyers will be spending a few sessions with the Boss this weekend, that’s for sure.

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    1. Yes JJE!! Not to mention having a plethora of false identities in your phone to be used for different secret alliances….imagine the sheer volume of passwords and lies one has to keep track of! No wonder the house of cards came tumbling down…not possible to keep up this level of lies and deceit indefinitely.

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  14. Nigel “said he could not remember if he went inside the Baden-Clay house on the morning of April 19, 2012”.

    Hmmm… are you serious Nigel ?

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    1. Yea, he seems to suffer form short-term memory loss every so often when it suits him.

      I had an instant ‘gut feel’ firstly about GBS’s guilt when I saw his TV interview with lip-biting sis, and soon after about the other family members’ involvement after observing their behaviour. I have a particularly negative feeling about Bwana. I will not be shocked to discover this self proclaimed financial guru assisted or even masterminded the plan to save his family name from the stigma of bankruptcy. I do not buy his testimony at all. As for “Nigel said that Gerard asked him to vacuum and water the garden of the house he was selling” – what utter nonsense!!!!!! He was trying to dispose of incriminating evidence.

      As for “Prosecutor: “Did you have any further contact with him (GBC) that night?” Nigel: “Not that I recall” Terrible short term memory the old man has. Don’t buy it.

      Painting a picture of depressed Allison lying in a dark house on the couch….I feel a suicide theory coming up which is clearly balony as Judge Judy would say…they are groping at straws.

      “Prosecutor asks whether there was any discussion about calling Allison’s parents that morning. Nigel said he doesn’t recall.” Again, his short term memory fails him….a family member goes missing, foul play is suspected…and he does not recall if her parents were even informed?? This not important??? Obviously he had more important things on his mind, like vacuuming and hosing down some house …yea right! And getting sonny boy a hot shot lawyer to ensure Allison’s life is conveniently converted into $$. Grrrr!!!

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      1. If this was premeditated then a good way of communicating without phone records would be to have verbally planned it and given the nod at the family bbq. Something like, NBC sneaks out at midnight to assist with disposal and first phone call he gets is next morning. If Allison was subdued at hairdresser perhaps GBC told her about TM being at the meeting before she left the house. Remember the person who said they saw an agitated GBC outsidde a shopping centre that night? Wonder how that will pan out.

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        1. Legal Aid. There was a big to do about it a while back. I complained to Jarod Blieje, palmed off as usual. So we the tax-payers of QLD are paying for the expensive legal team trying to keep the despicable GBC out of jail. Sucks, doesn’t it. I know people on pensions who didn’t qualify for legal aid because the income cut-off was even lower than their pension.

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          1. Hi Osmosis- I’m wondering if son Adam’s move to Canada has something to do with how this trial plays out. Adam and Nicole have portrayed themselves as Aussie royalty since arriving. Something tells me the BC clan always have a back-up plan. Probably Bwana’s family motto.

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            1. Anything is possible moonraker, with that family. I think Bwana orchestrated everything that happened, at least after her death. I truly believe he is arrogant enough to have believed that all this would have blown over, just another depressed and missing housewife. He should have realised that his son is a very weak individual and not to be relied upon to follow through with lies and deception. GBC put police on high alert from the very first moment they arrived at his house.

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  15. “If you cant dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit” A shame this family manages to do neither on what I’m reading in court…Looking forward to Monday

    NO COURT FRIDAY adjourned until Monday 16th June 2014 at 10am

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  16. I’ll be surprised if Ger-red lasts the distance too though as I said before……..he’ll be focusing on the loot.
    I’m trying to look at this case objectively so that I can get an idea of what the jury may be seeing, as difficult as it is. I guess the key factor for me today was the children’s toys being donated to charity which were going to be ‘collected by the RSPCA’…..sitting near the garage. The children seemed to not notice they were in the back of the car.

    I am imagining the questions regarding GBC having any allergies may connect to him saying, from memory, he had an allergic reaction to a caterpillar bite. Please correct me if I’m wrong, it’s been a while.

    I would be confused a little by the evidence given of screams, even though consistent somewhat, I’m thinking it was a little all over the shop unfortunately. Hoping that the sounds heard nearby the Kholo bridge may have some bearing though. Hopefully further witnesses may be able to add to the consistency of timing of screams and dates.

    Hmmm, I’m thinking the story of mummy may have twisted her ankle is odd. I can recall from back in the day….again correct me if so……GBC thought that his wife may have sat for a while on a bench reflecting, or something like that? Wouldn’t he say that, rather than worry the children that she may be hurt? Just my way of thinking I guess.

    Day off tomorrow……me thinks it’s giving him too much time to regather 😦 But that’s how it rolls.

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    1. I agree Millie, the jumping around in time frame stated by different witnesses would make me disregard that evidence if I was a juror. That being said, the defense would be hard pressed selling me on those cuts/scratches being from a razor!

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      1. Thing is though, all those screams, muffled screams, thuds sounding like bags of chaff and/or bags of cement —————– all happened the night Allison ‘went missing’. Far as I’m aware, non of the witnesses implied such noises were common in that area. Couldn’t have been common or defence would have highlighted that in the minds of jurors. So what we have are ordinary citizens of the area either taking the initiative to tell police of the sounds, or informing police of the sounds during the police door-knocks

        If I were a juror hearing numerous people claim they heard disturbing noises in that same area between the hours of such and such on the very night a woman went missing — then I as a juror would be pretty convinced something disturbing was going on at or around the BC house during those vital hours

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        1. And it probably doesn’t matter much what time everyone thought they heard noises, the relevant thing is that they actually did hear noises.

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    2. Hi Millie, I too recall the story about the allergic reaction to caterpillars early in the peace.

      In reading Robbo’s fantastic summary of today’s events I was really emotionally affected by hearing the content of the girls answers. If I were GBC guilty or not I would be a blubbering mess (just sayin). And I don’t see him so upset.

      Regarding your comments about worrying children, correct me if I’m wrong but I remember Olivia making a statement saying that the girls were told that mummy has probably fallen down a mineshaft and wouldn’t be coming back. This is not in the girls testimony but I seriously recall reading this from a reliable source like one of the police statements…. Who’s says that?

      Who also assumes their partner is missing and contacts the police after their partner isn’t where they are suppose to be within an hour. I’ve always thought that GBC response to Alison not being at home by 7 am was the reaction of someone who knew she was gone rather than someone who needed to be alarmed and making calls to family and friends lots of calls, keeping kids at home engaged with loving friends and family not sending them to school worried
      dIckhead !

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      1. Hi Halifax, I am hoping the comments made by Ger-red about the children falling down a hole and not coming back may come out when Livvy hits the stand, hopefully!

        I totally agree with you, the timing is not right. I think Ger-red called his father around 6.40am. To call your father and be concerned about your wife being a bit late back from a walk doesn’t gel. I am sure I can remember something about him mentioning to police officers he checked either a bus stop or bench or something because Allison would sometimes sit and reflect on things or he thought she may have done something similar………so why be concerned so soon if this is the case???? I will have to look for this again to confirm.

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        1. Yeah, what was he hoping to prove, that he was the devoted, loving husband who cared that she a little late home? He was the one who blurted out he had been seeing someone else so that makes his concern look even more doubtful. Yep, guilty as charged that man.

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  17. There are a few things reported differently especially about the kids bed time and Allison’s hairdressers appt. which says she left the hairdressers at 6.30-7 and in a statement about the kids bed time, it says they were put to bed at the same time, yet they say Allison tucked them in at this time. The salon to the house is at least a 15-20 min drive..

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    1. Yes the reconstruction of Alison’s last day report on the first day of the trial wasn’t sound; a hairdressers appointment at 400 pm with long hair , dinner with a friend , home to tuck children to bed by 630! Nope I couldn’t manage that time frame.

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  18. Yes Millie, I too am confused by the witness accounts. I wonder if the thud sound was the sound of him tossing Allison’s body into the creek and she hit something before falling further causing the second thud? That too is a tad confusing as to where the sound came from. Was it Kholo or their house? I also thought he may have run her down, but her injuries are minimal. Who knows?

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    1. I have a difficulty believing they were able to hear as much as they thought they did whilst in the house and sleeping. The one account which always clues to someone or something roaming about is all the dogs in the neighbourhood barking at the same time but just one dog? Hmm.. not sure on that story.. That actually happened to us the other night. We knew someone was out in the middle of the night as every dog who stays outdoors during the night was barking at the same time.

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    2. Prosecution will hopefully clear a lot of this up during later questioning and evidence, but if the alleged killer and someone else pulled up near the approach of the bridge and tossed the victim down the bank, that would be one thud. If the body slid further on wet grass and fell over the two metre drop to the mud, that would be another thud. Then the sound of two car doors slamming?

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  19. Thanks for these VERY informative posts Robbo..far more info from the daily media Briefs. I reackon Bwana is telling or NOT telling GREAT BIG FAT PORKYS..he and Ger-ard will be as thin=ck as thieves..i reckon G would be discussing EVERYTHING with him.

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  20. Guilty. What a piece of work this emotionally retarded, morally bankrupt family are. I stress – family. They’re all involved in some way. It’s a classic “blood’s thicker than water” clan culture. Mongrels.

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  21. Why did nigel say he didnt speak to his son or daughter in law, whdn Gerard was supposed to have dropped the sausages round thst day? Or am I misunerstsnding lol

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  22. maybe he did run her down? didn’t he had a car accident in the days following? perhaps that was an attempt to “dent” or damage the car where it was already damaged…

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  23. Hi, I live in the same area that Allison lived, not that far away from her home. I’ve heard a disturbing story that the body was put down a well – a well that was known to the BC’s – I’ve been told it exists on the Tyamolum Scout camp grounds, not far from where she was eventually found. If that’s true… we had a lot of rain on the days leading up to Allison’s body being found, so perhaps the raised water level had lifted the body out of the well and down the stream – much to the surprise of the killer, I’d say. I think Gerard looked unusually confident in the initial days after Allison disappearance… and then he slowly moved himself away from media scrutiny. I for one prayed every day for Allison to ‘show us where you are’… so I was relieved someone had finally found her. One thing is for sure, Allison did NOT kill herself. Absolutely not. Another thing that’s for sure, is the killer never wanted or expected her body ever to be found. I think her body came to rest there under the bridge, it was a miracle she was found.

    Thanks Robbo for a great site and for covering this tragic case. I do hope justice prevails.

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    1. That’s interesting MsMolly. The only question I have with that scenario is though, why would the 2 cars have congregated around the bridge ? Is the well near the bridge ?

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      1. Yes Claudette – ‘I’m told’ the well is not too far from a road called Wirrabara Road – a quiet cul-de-sac. Funny thing is, it’s the same road that a witness has claimed he heard voices on, the night Allison went missing.

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    2. MsMolly it sounds chilling but I suspect that she was not to be found for a week or 2 at the most, after that she had to be found for her to be able to be pronounced deceased and for a claim to be made for her insurance money – money which GBC clearly expected to have by EOFY.

      I suspect she was purposely dragged to UNDER the bridge above the high tide mark, so she would remain undiscovered for this time, in order for COD and DNA evidence to be destroyed.

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      1. That could make sense RIP – he’s certainly calculating enough to plan that. However I can’t see how that would be an easy thing to do in the time he had to do it, particularly when police had to abseil down the side of the hill in order to get to the body due to it being so unsafe (the first police officer who tried to make it down the hill dislocated his shoulder – in daylight) … and the amount of mud and debris he would’ve had from such an excursion… there would’ve been more elements of evidence against him perhaps?

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      2. Due to the mud weight of body whilst dragging her they may have lost a grip thus she had her hands /arms up above her head and jumper around her face as she spiralled/ slid rest of way down to become embedded at creek edge.

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          1. Agreed moonraker, in the end it got a bit messy and she had to be dragged to be under the bridge and out of sight from above (searching helicopters, possible pedestrians lookig down) until she’d been there long enough to serve the killer’s purposes.

            It would not have been an easy task, but remember we are talking about the task being carried out by one (likely at least two) very experienced scouts, possibly with the aid of ropes or the like. I suspect it was all planned ahead of time.

            Which makes the image of one daughter getting up from bed to drink water and seeing her father come in from “downstairs’ all the more sinister…was he getting stuff ready out there for the event while Allison was peacefully watching TV in her PJ’s…??? Horrible thought but not impossible.

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            1. Yes RIP Allison- their adrenalin must have been pumping to the point that strength swiftness of disposal was key to the means of the end. In all Ger-ard’s self indulging twisted plans. With Bwana at the ready.
              I was reviewing LE statements today from the guy that was 1/3 partner with GBC. Sorry name has left me. Interestingly with regards to Allison’s daughters; he mentions how GBC had hand signals for the girls to obey. He stated they were abnormally quiet little girls around him and GBC had told him of ‘belting’ the girls due to his frustration of Allison’s lack of discipline. You may wan to review. Your thoughts?

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              1. Sounds like a rather severe and military style of parenting. I think scouts operate with hand-signals too. Maybe the way he was brought up???

                Problem is if the girls feared him and knew certain topics were not to be discussed with outsiders, I imagine they may have answered all police questions according to GBC’s framework. With their beloved mum gone they would have had to live with him and going against his wishes or hand signals or instructions would have spelled trouble for them, so they would have been very compliant when initially interviewed. They probably believed all they were told by the family at that point anyway, about what had happened.

                Now, 2 years later and having been safe and free from the threat of punishment from him, I wonder if they would give exactly the same answers…..perhaps we will find out…

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                1. Foul man. Hopefully they have been reinterviewed. For that comment alone (less is more) makes my hair stand on edge. They feared him.
                  The morning walks throws me I thought it was debunked, the girls talk as if it were routine???

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                  1. LE said the second time they interviewed the girls the oldest mentioned I’m not sure, until the ‘be-briefing’. Key word! A child of that age LE pointed out would not be familiar with that word without being it having been said/mentioned more than once She never used the word ‘de-briefing’ in first chat.

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  24. There could have been microscopic DNA traces of Gerald Baden Clays facial skin and perhaps his blood in poor victim Allisons fingernails, even though her body was in a decomposed state under the Kholo Bridge., there could have been a trace DNA surviving pin head sample. Hopefully the Police Crime scene investigators and Forensics checked for this, and have a incriminating DNA sample from Gerald Baden Clay, ready to exhibit to the court!….Those scratches on his face, are definitely poor victim Allisons defensive and struggling scratches to his face. Surely the police thought this also ,did the forensics check his razor for a fresh blood sample, if as he claims, he had just cut himself shaving?…….. and did they looked for forensic blood DNA Samples, to check on his lying excuse, for cutting his face?………………………………….
    If they did, then this could be enough forensic evidence to convict him. Lets hope so !…

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      1. I think one of the police officers attending the house that morning looked for blood on tissues or towels etc. which could have come from the supposed razor cuts and found nothing as well.

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          1. Sadly they only recovered four. And they were preserved due to the fact that hand had been wrapped around more tightly by her jumper. It is very possible had she been discovered early on there would have been crucial evidence under her nails. The environment surrounding a river due to heat and excessive humidity from the river certainly sped up the decomp. Living previously in Africa Bwana would be first to realize this.

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  25. G’day

    Firstly can I just mention, those wishing to attend Court 11, have some courtesy for those who’ve arrived way before you have. Some people have been trying to queue jump. I’ve been first or 2nd there each day & I see Johnny come latelys trying to push in front of others.

    Forgive me if I don’t have everything that is said in court perfect, it’s really hard to hear at times (and I’m half deaf as it is haha)

    The thing I found most interesting this morning with the kids 2nd interview is the cops focused on specifically asking the question them how were mum & dad’s cars are parked at their home. Are the cars driven front in or reversed in. This is like the note question yesterday, they dug a little further to clarify with the 2 older kids. I suspect this important because obviously there is a theory as to what car / s were used to move her body from the home. Or whether a 2nd person used the 2nd vehicle returning it (parking it not the normal way as they’re not the normal driver)

    I suspect when the cops first arrived they would be curious the positioning of the cars in carport.

    Can someone refresh my memory which car was the blood found in his or hers? (Information overload)

    It was also significant that the cops asked the kids if any toys were normally put in the boot of the car. As they’ve showed the photo of the a couple of basket of toys sitting in the rear of the car. Staged to deter cops from discovering the blood? The toys (I couldn’t quite see the photo up close I assume they’re toys, so forgive me if they’re not) were placed too neatly for mine, staged!

    GBC’s breathing during the neighbor witnesses was again interesting, he was breathing rather quickly every 2 secs, and you could see his shoulders rising & falling. The point make here, is for normal people not under stress / relaxed it’s quite hard to notice them breathing isn’t it. People don’t raise their shoulders too much. I’m sure there’s occupation for the study of breathing haha.

    First thing I noticed when NBC took the stand and gave evidence was how nervous the BC family in front row looked. When NBC started almost immediately with “I don’t recall” response to questions of the prosecution that raised red flags for me. Yet other things he had no trouble recalling (very similar to how Oscar P is currently giving answers in his trial). He was happy to talk about the birth of his grandson wasn’t he!

    So NBC has gone on record saying the first contact he had with GBC the next morning was 6.45am? Can I ask was the facetime call that was previously discussed on here, was it ever confirmed being as made? As that contradicts NBC’s statement. I found it interesting that NBC said that after GBC called him that he & Olivia left to head over to GBC house. But NBC made the point of saying OW took a different direction as she was stopping to ask people had they seen Allison. That statement doesn’t make sense, rather OW’s actions don’t make sense if true. Wouldn’t you hop in your car & head directly to GBCs without stopping??

    (Forgive me if I don’t have things perfectly right, it’s really hard to hear in main court) The other thing I found very very strange with NBC’s comments was he said GBC asked NBC to come over & mind the kids whilst GBC & Allison went out for coffee to discuss things, hmmm. Again these are NBC’s words that we are supposed to rely upon. GBC hasn’t spoken before the court & Allison can’t speak can she. Now I’m sure those with kids don’t call up your parents or inlaws to come over just so you can go out with your wife for 45 min coffee at night. Do you? What I’m not 100% is which night NBC was referring to that he was asked to come over to mind them. Why wasn’t OW asked to come over and mind them?

    Finally I thought NBC throwing around a number of specific times of events happening after 6;45am the morning of her disappearance just didn’t fit into the perfect puzzle. My point being, he can’t recall some things, yet can mention at XYZ time this was done (after the 6;45am GBC phone call to him)

    If any person of significance taking this stand during this trial is making things up (to suit a particular theory / story) then they will eventually come unstuck. I keep thinking about how the prosecutor in Oscar P trial is just nailing him saying, that isnt right, because it never happened…. I wonder how much of this scenario is yet to happen during this trial.

    Finally I sense the prosecution has a few cards to play yet, it will turn out to be a classic poker game in the end. Let’s just hope that the prosecution plays their cards right.

    Thanks for reading (i’m not the greatest at written english so I appoligize in advance)

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    1. Okay I’ve now read the day’s proceedings, remind me to do this next week first then I wont confuse myself before I post my experiences of the day.

      Don’t you think it’s wrong’legally / fairness that now NBC has taken the stand that he can still technically communicate with OW at the end of the day.

      Even though they’ve been told not to discuss the case, come on do any of us think NBC won’t talk with OW about what he said in court today or Monday for that matter??

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        1. It makes a mockery of the court system Ozmosis doesn’t it! Especially where there seems to be too many fingers in the pie! The court is such a controlled environment, yet in this case, a few of the animals are allowed to roam free over the hills.

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        1. I think it was a tactic of the prosecution to put NBC on the stand late on Thursday (knowing that Friday isn’t a sitting day) and now that he’s mentioned times / events they will have several days to dot i’s cross t’s.

          For someone who has trouble recall certain events yet can remember others so vividly has to raise your eyebrows. The vacuum cleaner response was just so far fetched its not funny.

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          1. NBC’s cavalier attitude and total superficial lack of knowledge/short blunt answers impressed no one. CP will have a plan for this family and their entitlement attitudes. His answers contradict this families close ties and NBC being Bwana over them all. You have to try harder to convince others you are ‘grand’. This is going to bite the entire family in the end.

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      1. I”d say the prosecution has this worked out and will be tossing in a few spanners.

        I see no reason they couldn’t talk about the days proceedings it’s plastered all over the media.

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    2. Thanks for your perspective gerryrocks! Interesting that GBC showed heavy breathing when neighbours testified (bet he did not like that!) and his family got visibly nervous when NBC took the stand and spun a few yarns.Telling, I’d say. Must be very difficult to try and lie convincingly about some detail and pretend to have forgotten others.

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    3. I wondered whether the break in proceedings was a positive or a negative to end the week, with NBC on the stand. His words are the first yet, that I have read anyway, where there is a lack of conviction, if that makes sense.

      I felt strangely sad reading all of the witnesses who commented about something not right on that fateful night. I stopped counting but I thought more than 6, and maybe less than 10 individuals were aware of commotion on that night… calling out etc and not one person contacted police. Now i am not criticising those people as they have to live with the lack of action on their conscience. It is
      frightening to think that a series of unfortunate events occurred, of which
      Allison had no control over, that led to her death. One shouldn’t surmise, presume or speculate but could the course of events been altered, supported, viewed differently had just one person notified the QPS to say something was amiss. At least prior to the 7.15am call the following morning, there would have
      been some recorded note from that general area…. Brookfield Road etc.

      I guess we can all learn from this, and at the risk of embarrassment, be forward, rather than backward, in reporting irrespective of the significance. When I read the words ‘calling out’, my heart sank…. a call for help maybe?

      There are lots of inconsistencies in stuff I have read, but not being privvy to words from the horses’ mouths, and just a concerned observer, I imagine the meticulous work of prosecutors etc, would have all of these swiped to a minimum or zero.

      As mentioned by another poster, the times are all over the shop of people recalling commotion on the night Allison disappeared, however the numbers to my mind would outweigh the accuracy. The good doctor hasn’t been brought forward at this stage to join those yet…. It would seem that none of those people have wavered on the stand about their recollection, unlike NBC. Granted, some of them took time and subseqent interviews to fully recollect events of the evening. Stuff comes back at different times for different people. Perhaps NBC and EBC not making statements at the time, precluded this happening to them.

      Is it a living nightmare Allison’s 3 girls have been, and are living!!?? #@*k, again, I feel ill thinking of those little darlins having to go through even being in a police station, having to talk about their Mummy (and Daddy for that matter). Enough to break your heart. What a horrendous situation, one which has forced the girls to live a nighmare (not to mention Allison’s parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, colleagues, friends, etc etc). Please, oh please, let the truth be known.

      Funny thing, it is only now when reading NBC’s words, that I have felt a little bit confident that their might be a slight crack in the structure.

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      1. I agree about the number of people telling basically the same story as to that night. It’s not a noisy neighbourhood according to those who’ve lived there for years. Allison’s fight for her life could have been protracted, with different witnesses hearing different elements of it over a period of time, depending on what those witnesses were doing that night, the way the wind was blowing at different times, etc. One thing though remains clear — something disturbing was going on in the region of Allison’s place. And nothing’s going to wipe that from the jurors’ minds

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    4. I have thought the same.
      Way back, cannot find it, someone gave a statement saying Allison and GBC were seen
      in a restaurant/coffee shop around 8 pm ish the night she went missing.

      It was said they looked just fine. Hmm!! If this is so the girls would have been asleep. as NBC stated.

      I think he took Allison for coffee to break the news TMch would be attending the seminar and it went from there-maybe she never went home that night explains having no purse not needed for a quick coffee.. the plant matter in her hair would have to be explained-could it have been picked up elsewhere.

      I think NBC was sitting the girls for a lot longer than 45mins.

      GBC never mentioned this coffee trip in any of his statements.

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      1. GBC has given three different details on he and Allison’s sleeping arrangements. The girls have interviewed which side of bed Mommy slept on. GBC told LE he falls asleep on the sofa and sleeps with Allison and has to sometimes use spare room due to his sleep apnea/tells TM he sleeps permanently on sofa. However he supposedly uses a sleep apnea breathing apparatus. Those are not small and are not something you would carry back and forth like a pillow. He told LE night in question; he had ‘dozed off’ in spare bedroom(SAA is in that room). Doubt he carried this whole machine out to sofa every night. GBC also has said to others Allison often slept on sofa at night. if the only sofa is the black leather that has a chaise extension at one end isn’t a very long sofa for an adult to stretch out. Did they have another in lounge?

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  26. NBC is a loose cannon. when cross examined he will get annoyed, especially now if they purposely pronounce G’red’s name incorrectly just to inflame him….which i would do if i were the prosecution :-p

    its hard to keep lies in order, believe me i know an expert liar and they can’t handle their story being picked apart and made to look foolish and have to admit they’re lies.

    wish i was in the courtroom gerryrocks.

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        1. Let’s just pray jury is really on the ball checking out these behaviours and taking lots of notes. Sometimes what we think jury will definitely pick up on you hear later they didn’t. I think the Casey Anthony jury fiasco has tainted us all in terms of what a jury is thinking.

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  27. So was there any mention in the media about NBC’s response to having the vacuum cleaner in his possession on the morning of April 20th?

    He said in court he was taking the vacuum cleaner to help clean some open houses (for Saturday inspections).

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    1. For anyone who was in court… I wondered whether NBC was asked which house, you know the address of where he was heading??
      Funny thing hey to ask what would be useful on a day when your daughter-in-law goes missing when you could hit the pavement door-knocking, calling etc. Given their ‘high profile’, one would think they would immediately have a blitz and phone all and sundry, make up Missing Person signs etc. Business as Usual, according to the phrase previously used.
      Simply amazing not to remember whether your son’s inlaws were at the house!!! but could be so deeply engrossed in a television program (as said by NBC about the previous night while baby-sitting) – perhaps somewhat detached from the emotions of others in real life

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      1. Little fish, NBC strikes me as the kind of man who would be never lost for words yet his whole testimony seemed quite bizarre to me. IS that what you are getting at?

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  28. Is GBC Homer Simpson?! he was scratched that morning whilst shaving, and all that stubble just popped straight out?! puh-leez…!

    I like the theory of the kids being doped up so they slept. that is just one more horrifying possibility.

    Robbo this is a great account thank you.

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        1. TM says GBC grew a beard quite often Has anyone seen any previous photos of this? I haven’t. All his promotional photos he is clean shaven and apparently expected a ‘clean cut’ look by all male employees. Or so he said.

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  29. Re: the note the child protection detectives are asking the children about in the 3 girls interviews. The morning of the 20th April when police arrived at GBC’s house, they either asked for or saw ( I can’t remember exactly as it was 2 yrs ago ) Allison’s handbag. Amongst the contents was a note and the Police asked who wrote the note and GBC said that one of the children had written the note. The Police took the note as evidence. It has never been revealed what was written on the note, YET !! You can read about it in the female police ladies statement, her name is Leah.

    Re: why they are questioning if any of the family has allergies. It was reported some time ago that GBC allegedly bought some form of medication from the Chemist ( maybe Phenergan ) on the morning before he went to the Girls Athletic Carnival the morning of 19th April.

    Will be very interesting when GBC has to take the stand as a Witness !!

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    1. That would be strange if he had no allergies. It would leave the phenergan to be used as a sedative. Buying it that day boosts the premeditation theory. He may have even sedated Allison slightly, My son took 1 small tablet for a bee sting and slept 15 hrs straight and was drowsy for another 12. All from a normal dose. Also it would be interesting to know if it was tablet or liquid. If for himself then tablet, for dirty work then liquid…. Here Allison, you are stressed, have a wine with the antidepressant….

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      1. That was another question from this amateur of a poster of detective work:-). Did Allison answer when one of the girls spoke to her and said she was getting a glass of water.

        Another report said she had dinner with a friend and another said she had
        exchanged texts.

        High level of alcohol (which apparently can accumulate or build after death)… I wonder whether Allison drank red or white wine and whether (and this is getting very much beyond the ridiculous probably and maybe I have seen too many American detective shows) if an allergy medication was used on that night by others as from what I gathered none of the girls had consumed any on that
        evening.

        With respect to the ‘I always wear shoes when I do the ironing’, unless the iron was dodgy and a steam one and he feared electricution, i wondered whether the
        shoes were on already for a little walk outside with Allison to further discuss or
        raise the issue of the conference the next day as this hasn’t been touched on yet, but from memory was written up in police reports/statementss (but as I am aging, I may have confused what and where I read that). I imagine he would
        have predicted that it might get a bit noisy!

        Re the hairdresser saying Allison was a little subdued…if she hadn’t already been
        given a call to not attend the next day’s conference, I think by that time of day, after a fulfilling and vibrant day (lively chats at school, back in the swing of things professionally with training etc for a few hours), the distractions fade away as the reality of all her worries and concerns re-emerge, and the thought maybe of having those 15 minute sessions discussing Gerard’s loose sexual encounters etc. His mistress must really have thought the world evolved around her (the mistress) and wouldn’t herself have scuttled away and hid in the bushes to allow his lover’s wife the freedom of attending. The lover must have felt entitled as in her attending was more important. Difficult to imagine but could one call it arrogance?

        I think as an amateur sleuth, with her Little Questions, all will be revealed by the professionals tasked with the job of seeking out truth and justice. However, it is difficult not to want to ask questions and I guess that is where the difference lies between those professionals and an observer…. I want answers quickly, and don’t have a plan:-). There must still be so much to cover and the rate at which they are slicing through the witnesses, the big stuff must be bubbling up.

        Such a tragic situation which has brought us together in cyber space. RIP Allison and I hope that the good fight being waged on your behalf brings some sort of result commensurate (I can’t finish this sentence sorry).

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    2. Very good Jessy. You’d make a great detective re note and evidence he brought phenergan really adds to planning. Kids do say his allergic to seafood. Would phenergan help? Wouldn’t you just stay away from seafood?

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      1. Hi guys, i read somewhere gerbil was stung by a bee at the school whilst he was watching the girls sports etc. so he went to the chemist for some medication. 🙂

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        1. So he was stung by a Bee-on top of a caterpillar launching itself on his neck..this doesn’t look good looking like premeditation. Explaining away the phernergan purchase.
          Yes it would help most allergies-a sleeper for kids as well.
          He could have taken it along with the sausages to NBC/s place-and put it in a soft drink easily

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          1. I have no doubt if the girls got out of bed after being put in bed for any reason they would have to announce themselves being up. I’m also sure that would have been part of GBC’s rules of the home. I truly think he thinks the girls did not feel any separation of their parents affection. It is so sad to think there was probably was not a lot of laughter and silly/fun times at home for the girls during those last 2 years. TM said most nights he was telling Allison he was working late and he was with her. And unbeknownst to TM he was also stepping out with her and her.
            He sure wasn’t home a lot.

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    3. Phenergan is an antihistamine known to cause drowsiness. Given to kids on long aeroplane journeys to induce sound sleep…hmmm….puzzle pieces beginning to come together….

      It rather looks as if the children had been debriefed on what to say….I hope the 2 intervening years have given them a perspective on what the truth really is. At least they were clear those toys were not in the back of the car and no, Allison did not drive around with Zoloft on her dashboard.

      One wonders about the night of the 19th when the one girl who got up to drink water sometime after initially having gone to bed saw GBC coming in from ‘downstairs’…. Was she aware of discord and concerned enough about her mother to check up if all was well under the pretense of getting water?? I will not be at all surprised….

      I do not believe the story that their parents never argued. I think the kids were just conditioned to not ever talk about such topics. Or else there must have been a monumental effort on GBC and Allison’s parts to argue after the children went to bed only and do it out of earshot of their bedrooms. Not sure this would be possible at all times…..debriefing in action maybe??

      One wonders too what might GBC have been doing downstairs….getting the car, perhaps even the hose and vacuum ready for a clean-up and trip to Kholo Ck…while Allison watched TV in her PJs??? Did he lure her outside to avoid waking the kids and attacked her there? Got all ready in advance??? Chilling thought…

      One wishes one could rewind this saga and warn Allison, whisk her away out of harm’s way. So very sad…

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      1. I don’t think there was time for a debrief the first time, they were still in their school clothes and had been bundled off to school pretty fast that morning by OW, corroborated by NBC in his testimony. For the second interview more than likely as they were allegedly having daily debriefs and eventually at that age fiction would become fact.

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          1. LE noted oldest daughter using the word ‘debrief’ in second interview but not first.. It is in their list of findings for arrest.
            Those girls were taught before this want to say and not to say about anything to do with their home life. IMO.

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    1. Thanks for the reminder pinkshoes. look at the bottom pic – see the bruised eye?? (inside, next to his nose)

      I missed that initially, and I don’t think I have heard golden boy offer an explanation for that yet. The other battle scars were supposedly caused by a mixture of broken lightbulb, viscious caterpillars and a blunt razor. Wonder what he’ll come up with for the eye?

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    1. Thanks for that link, Pink Shoes. I’d heard about it but had never seen that police report before. It proves he said it, or at least it proves OW claimed Gerard had said it. Proof. I just can’t believe how anyone, especially a father, could say that – put that image – into his little girls’ heads. For that alone he deserves a thrashing imo. And if OW told police he said it, she would also have told NBC and EBC. I sincerely hope prosecution raise the matter during the trial. I want the jury to hear it. In fact I want the jury hear OW say it

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  30. I wonder why Allison was wearing her walking clothes at night? ( She was found wearing 3/4 pants, blue & white joggers, a purple singlet and a jumper). Did she come home from the hairdresser and change into her walking gear that night? Most accounts put her as walking during the morning hours. Just thinking and wondering.

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    1. NB. She left work at around 3.30 – 4.00 for her hair appt. and she wouldn’t have worn walking gear to work, especially since she had had a 4 hr appointment with a real estate trainer that day at the office.

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    2. Hello Mookie, ABC wasn’t wearing her walking clothes at night. In one of the children’s video statements the girl has told that when she got up to have a drink of water, her mum was sitting on the couch in her pj’s watching tv.

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    3. I think they were put on her to make it look as if she went walking in the morning and supposedly ‘met with foul play’ somewhere along the way. But one things is for absolutely sure, on a morning when she had to leave to go to the conference earlier than usual (7am) and for which event she specially had her hair done at the hairdressers that afternoon, Allison would NOT in a million years have given going walking a millisecond’s thought. So she would not have been the person who put those clothes and shoes on her body, IMO.

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  31. Robbo,

    I’ve just gone back to GBC’s initial interview transcript at his home with the Sergent’s Curtis & Jackson.

    He mentions that she goes for a regular walk & Jackson asks what she normally wears, GBC she has 2 outfits, and the cop says which is missing, he says the grey one & describes it in detail

    (Now that we’ve seen photos of her body) It gives me chills that he’s described exactly what she’s been found in) and he goes onto to say to the cop she SOMETIMES WEARS A SLOPY JOE or SOMETHING OVER THE TOP.

    For someone to have been asleep the night before, woken up at 6am to find his wife missing and is able to amazingly accurately tell the cop which outfit is missing….wow need I say anymore!!

    The fact he specially mentioned the words SLOPPY JOE (and that’s what was pulled up over her head)

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    1. Lol, if you asked me to describe my carpet once I leave my house I couldn’t. I am bad with stuff like that. Until two of my sons moved out I would ask every day which of my 3 sons owned what t shirt when folding washing. Lots of eye-rolling, as a mum I am supposed to observe who wears what all the time, apparently. Mum fail!

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    2. That is damning isn’t it Gerry. Early on he thought he had it all covered, very hard to keep track of what you told to who if it is NOT 100% true. No wonder he shut up and stopped co-operating…

      His lawyers must of been flabbergasted at what he had blurted out thus far.

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      1. I think the more deeper we get into the court testimony over the next few weeks and the more we look back at the opening statements taken by the cops the more discrepancies or red flags will show up.

        The old saying “Time can be your worst enemy” might be come back to haunt GBC.

        The only way I can see GBC being acquitted (yes we still have to consider an acquital) is if the prosecution is slack or doesn’t go hard enough. I have to be 100% honest and say from what I’ve seen in the court room to date the prosecution hasn’t gone hard enough (or come across as hard enough). It seems an almost too relaxed atmosphere between the prosecution / defense and the prosecution’s questioning of witnesses. We are not there to make it a friendly environment.

        The fact that a crime scene ‘ forensically’ hasn’t been sufficiently established at the house is in GBC’s favour, one of the very few things in his favour .We’d all love for there to be hard evidence rather than circumstantial. This is what I struggle with, how glaring mistakes can be made by GBC (things said or actions taken) yet for there to be nothing to stand out like dog’s balls at the house. It’s like the perfect claytons crime scene. If I was the defense I would be really going to town on this fact alone. The Kholo creek crime scene does hold some advantages for GBC’s defense given that with so much rain any footprints would have been washed away. The elements are in his favour too in that the cause of death was hindered by the elements. So there’s 2 ticks for GBC in his case that the defense has to be pleased with.

        Of course none of us know what aces the prosecution are holding onto. The element of surprise is still one of the best tactics. I just hope heading into week 2 that we see the prosecution make that court room a very unfriendly place to be in.

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        1. Obviously I was not in court but I felt the same too weak, almost just running through irrelevant witnesses but in my opinion there will be a big surprise from left field or they will batter a couple of witnesses. GBC, TM and highly likely OW.

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          1. if i were the prosecution my tact would be to save the most damning witnesses and evidence to the last so the jury retire with that at the forefront of the their mind…..patience people patience 🙂

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              1. Don’t worry, There is something BIG they have up their sleeves! They have him for sure.
                Just need to be patient, and they are keeping some evidence under wraps.

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        2. gerryrocks- let’s hope the jury are keeping notes as much as we all are. That always worries me. There have been some jurors lately in high profile cases that have been caught listening to their Ipod for example. Does anyone know if any are taking notes? That’s usually a very good sign you have a jury who wants justice served up properly.

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    3. Zoloft Box on the dashboard of the car! If it was a panadol container, fair enough, but not in my wildest dreams would I believe Allison would leave it there for all and sundry to observe. No way in the world I reckon.

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  32. https://aussiecriminals.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/neil-cameron-robertson.pdf

    of note:

    there was a face time call after midnight from GBC to NBC
    item 58 is damning.
    and NBC definitely knew the business and GBC wasn’t doing well, not really what he said today.
    phone was put on the charger at 1.48am – not such a sound sleeper afterall GBC.

    GBC – guilty.
    NBC – guilty of accessory to murder, i hope he gets charged after this
    EBC – she would have to know what was going on
    OW – possibly “feels” the truth but may not “know it for fact by admission from her family”….

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    1. apparently the face time call doesn’t exist, it was found to be a positive negative ? It amazes me how you can not only make a mistake about the face time call but also the time of the call and the person it was made to. There is some information about all this in one of the court documents. Aussi Crims did have a copy of court documents, however I can’t seem to find them on Robbo’s new site. Mountain Misst has a copy on her site ( and also has some very interesting Astrology reading )

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    2. All three kids were raised by Bwana. Who moved to a new country. Changed his last name for notoriety and what he thought would be instant respect and power. Raised his children like soldiers. Fail wasn’t an option. They had a doctrine to follow to this day. You can see it in both Ger’red’s and Olivia’s face especially the eyes.. When faced with a serious problem they only know to run to ‘Bwana’. He’ll know what to do. Allison was the only in-law not to conform/bow down to Bwana. The other two in-laws have completed their doctrine and are ‘in like Finn’.

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  33. Morning all, you guys are really clued in. Every time I read new comments someone here in our community comes up with a new angle or something we may of missed. great work, keeps it interesting too.

    On day 4 page which many will go too not realising no court today I have posted all the videos I made over the course of this crime including his dodgy interview as well as his parents having a pash for the cameras. Have a great weekend

    https://aussiecriminals.com.au/2014/06/13/gerard-baden-clay-trial-day-4/

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    1. Robbo, I think one of the best videos was channel 9 yesterday of “bwanna’ :). Talk about a poser and wanka ! sticking his chest out when he saw the cameras on him. SICKENING to behave like he does, especially considering his son is locked up and his Granddaughters have NO Mother.

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      1. He has quite a healthy ego the old grand master poobah or whatever he is old Nigel.

        Havent seen that one, I will try find it.Feel free to post it in comments if it allows you! Ta

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        1. I don’t know how to put a copy of video on here, sorry. I just googled channel nine video news of nigel baden clay’ and the video is still on the net, it came up ‘greard baden-clay trial: Father unaware of marriage turmoil’. Maybe someone else could help me out here and post the video.

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            1. TY so much RIP Allison. I’ve been trying to add the 3D video of inside the B-C home, however I think they have now removed the link.

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                1. TY,TY RIP Allison, I’m totally hopeless at posting links. What’s your thoughts anyone on all the bags on the bed in the main bedroom ? these pics were taken 4 days after Allison went missing, however the house was declared a crime scene 20th April so other than the tidy up that may have taken place late at night 19th April and the early hours of 20th April, it is basically left how Allison left it other than the mess Forensic would have made. I so hope Allison and family get justice. My heart aches for the Dickies and the girls and family.

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  34. Ok, so ABC was seen by her daughter lying on the couch in her PJ’s on Thursday night 19th April, 2012. Neighbours heard all forms of commotion later the same evening and into the early hours of Friday 20th April. So, either Allison changed out of her PJ’s into her walking gear to go for a walk that night, or, GBC changed her after he or NBC murdered her (or at very least, knocked her out)? Otherwise, how would she be found wearing her walking gear? I tend to lean towards the latter, that she was changed into these clothes to support his alibi of her going for a walk early Friday morning. Thoughts?

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    1. I have to agree with you Mookie, that is what it is looking like. I firmly believe GBC had an accomplice. He seems like the type to fall apart. My first thoughts would be NBC too but if that is not the case then the next logical is TM. Now that phenergan is in the picture it is easy to imagine that he could have left the kids alone, sleeping. He could have drive to TM’s to let her know what he had done, no phone call records.

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      1. Yes, sounds feasible Oz. There’s So much more to this. I’m also thinking about the soft tissue injury to ABC’s left shin and her face (which isn’t unusual given the time it took for her body to be found with the onset of de-composure) but I wonder if there was an injury to her face/head as well, which, due to the time factor was disguised by the decomposition process…this makes me lean towards him running into her with the car (two thuds) car screeching away…him fleeing to get help to dispose of her body…later sounds heard at the bridge. My mind is in overload 🙂

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        1. Doesn’t sound odd to me, could account for the blood in the car if he ran over her. But there had to have been a struggle first for him to have the face wounds.

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          1. Maybe they had a verbal argument and she got changed to go walk it off and he chased after her and grabbed her from behind and she struggled, scratching his face. Then he jumped into the car and ran her over etc… Hope the truth comes out!

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        2. Hello mookie, I have always thought what you have said about him running into her with his car as she was running away and I believe that is why people from different areas around Brookfield heard her screams at different times. Some heard them early as maybe they lived close and others further down the road heard them later as she was trying to run away. Then maybe when he got her back home neighbours may have heard her scream again.

          I’ve been thinking about the Phenergan all morning and even though it was discussed on a few blogs in early days including Aussie Crims, for some reason I think it may be rumour from locals. I guess we will find out soon enough. I’m thinking that maybe the child care Detectives were asking the children about the family having allergies ( they said GBC was allergic to prawns ) to see if any of them said anything about their father having an allergic reaction to LOL CATERPILLARS LOL . Honestly, if you had an allergic reaction to caterpillars the same day as ABC was murdered, wouldn’t you be scratching and telling your children why you are scratching. 🙂

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        1. Yes, very interesting about the brand. I haven’t a clue what brand my stuff is without looking and I don’t view GBC as being remotely interested enough in Allison at all to know that. He was not a husband to her anymore and hadn’t been for 4 years.

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    2. There were reports at the time the initial investigation was underway of a person or persons coming across two people struggling with a “Moving Object” in the rear of a vehicle in the Brookfield vicinity in the early hours of the morning Allison disappeared.

      I am sure that the Prosecution are introducing their witnesses in a logical order, allowing parties to show their hand ahead of introducing critical witnesses that will totally discredit the testimony of earlier witnesses such as NBC, OW and GBC Himself.

      I believe there is every chance that GBC will be found to have attempted to strangle Allison at home, and on driving with an accomplice to the disposal site, Allison recovered and they had to repeat the strangulation.

      If that were the case, might this mean he can be charged with murdering her twice ?

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      1. Hmmm…This is beginning to look as if there is a pattern amongst all the chaos…. The different times at which people heard screams may indicate she fought back much more than expected and had to be subdued in one or more stops along the way, rather than being fatally wounded quickly at home….maybe she even got away running at one point. This kind of scenario will also explain the reports you are referring to Dan about 2 people struggling with a moving object in a car, perhaps also footage captured by the camera in Kenmore roundabout, and the (unplanned?) blood evidence in the back of the car, where in fact she may well eventually have been killed. Time will tell…

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    1. True tangela if they were tied from the opposite side, but with a comatose or deceased person it could probably be done from the right side if one is crafty enough to think about this level of detail.

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  35. I think she was changed into her walking clothes after she was deceased and before her body was taken to Kholo to make it look like she had been out walking that morning. The police know ABC was placed at Kholo not long after her death due to ‘Lividity’. if her body had been moved from anywhere else it would of had to been within approx. 1hr of her death as due to Lividity they can tell. You can google Lividity and you will then understand how they can tell if a body has been moved after death.

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    1. GBC never went out looking for Allison, he knew that there would be no chance of finding her along the side of the road with a twisted ankle because he had already been out in the middle of the night making sure she was lost and would not be found for a while.

      Any driving around after 6 AM the following morning was part of a charade to appear like a loving and concerned husband.
      t him so much ?.

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      1. He would have left the kids home during the night/early morning while the disposal was carried out, maybe with GBC, and perhaps EBC or sis Livvy would have come over to be there and have a story ready about them looking for their mum, should the children wake up.

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      2. I think driving around that time of the morning was so if the police noticed the engine was hot and no condensation on the car when they arrived he could say that he just got back after looking for her.

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    2. I think he went out searching after his father and OW arrived Little Fish, the Clayton’s search. But when he was disposing of a body through the night? I bet those kids were alone and sleeping.

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    1. Little Fish- exactly!! Showing what a loving caring Bwana couple they are!! (Yuck !) What a great example as a senior couple who are so dedicated to marriage they are still passionate on a regular basis..ha. What BS!! The BC clan turn it on big time when the cameras are on. Either that or EBC letting NBC know she will stick by his decision to help get rid of ABC.

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      1. I just keep harping back to my thoughts of a couple of years ago, where I thought it looked like she was frisking him… for something that would fit into his pocket, which I wondered might have been a phone… He silenced her hand by sticking his tongue down her throat.

        While I am here Dan, I posted about him leaving the girls alone while searching for Allison with tongue in cheek (my own tongue in my own cheek :-)). GBC mentioned in a statement that he had been out searching for Allison but came back to wake the girls and get them ready for school…… But of course, he had also said on another occasion that he woke at 6.15am and the girls were up soon after etc etc etc

        God I hope that we can have faith in the system.

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    2. I agree re the Pash being Super Suss.

      Nobody in their right mind could possibly be drunk enough to Pash EBC and still be standing up. Something else had to be in play there.

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  36. Mookie made a suggestion that ABC could have gone for a walk the night of the 19th. I find it interesting that Who weekly magazine have a 1 page article this week on the crime and have reported that GBC told a friend she went for a walk at 10pm that night.

    I wonder if the friend he’s supposed to have said this to will be called as a witness to testify?

    I highly doubt ABC would’ve gone walking by herself so late at night, however, it certainly points to the possibility GBC murdered her at around 10 – 11pm (when the screams, thuds and cars screaming off were heard), and then dressed her in her usual walking clothes before moving her to Kholo Creek. Also could explain how he knew exactly which walking outfit was missing, too!

    Bear in mind, there’s been no mention of the whereabouts of the pjs she was said to have been wearing while watching tv – did he wash them in a hurry? Dispose of them? Or have the police got them and have tested them and this is also another smoking gun?

    BTW I stumbled upon this site (but never commented) not long after GBC’s crocodile tears to the media about his wife being missing, and Robbo – fantastic site! It’s great to see familiar names returning, too – I love reading all the different theories people are posting
    on here 😊

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    1. It’s been said a hundred times at least since 2012, but not many of us would have our hair professionally done in preparation for a big day where our husband’s mistress was likely to appear — and then gone walking, working up a sweat and undoing our nice new hairdo

      Allison’s friend said Allison took pride in her appearance, always wanted to look ‘just right’. Apparently she’d returned to that same hairdresser two or three times because she wasn’t satisfied. So it’s clear Allison wanted it fixed and wanted to look her best. I suspect she knew TM would be at the seminar. Unless evidence still to be revealed establishes one hundred percent that Allison did in fact go for a walk of her own volition, I won’t believe it

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      1. Wonder if the police have looked into CCTV footage or residential video footage of Alison walking that morning. Evidence she was alive leaving the house that morning. Many houses have video cameras videoing movement in the street across the front of their property. Or instead video footage of GBC leaving the house in his car during the middle of the night. I think the latter. Too many cameras around theses days! Hence phone calls to Bruce fleggs office about cameras at roundabouts ! Looking forward to that evidence.

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  37. To add to my previous comment, could someone enlighten me as to why EBC wouldn’t be called as a witness? I’m curious, seeing NBC dubiously claimed on the stand about the phone call ABC supposedly made (in tears) to EBC about something bring wrong. I have no doubts (nor do I think for a second that GBC is innocent) that it is a way to paint poor Allison as mentally unstable, but doesn’t that conversation then become hearsay? Perhaps the defense saw EBC as a weak link, too?

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      1. BB- may be they will later after they have heard OW’s testimony. EBW had some very unfeeling/unkind remarks regarding Allison after disappearance. Sounds to me like she told any and every body about Allison’s depression. Caring mother-in-law:(

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  38. I am technologically illiterate so was hoping someone might help me out. I noticed internet usage on Allison’s phone records showing from the 18th late in the evening and then again on the 20th early in the morning. Have I got it a bit cocked up?

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    1. Hi Little Fish. Yes – you are spot-on about there being internet usage on 20th April early in the morning.

      Wonder what the BC explanation to that one will be? I bet they “cannot recall”!

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      1. Yeah… that phone sure is interesting. At 6.30am or so on the 20th, it pinged at Fig Tree Pocket and connected to the internet. Then hours later that same morning, it was located by the Policewoman using GBC’s phone as being 150m away at 61 Boscombe Road which is at the rear of the BC property. SO, someone had possession of that phone and had moved it that morning.

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        1. Wasn’t there a report early in the piece that a neighbour heard the dog barking and saw GBC coming out of the bush at the back of his property? He said something like ‘there is nothing for you to worry about here’?

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  39. Allison has a 4 hour meeting on Thursday 19th April at Taringa (so she is dressed for work)
    Allison leaves work for a hair colouring appointment in Kenmore between 3:30 – 4:00
    Allison leaves hair salon in time to (according to what has been published):
    1. Have dinner with her friend Kerry-Ann Walker? (whilst GBC and the girls eat sausages at Bwanas) – (did Allison perhaps have a glass of wine at this time or did GBC offer her a drink later to wash down her Zoloft?)
    2. Allison was then home in time to put the girls to bed between 6:30 – 7:00 (probably after GBC slipped them Phenergan)
    3. Allison then lies on the couch in her PJ’s and watches tele (one of the girls mentioned this)
    4. The same girl sees GBC coming in from downstairs whilst she gets a drink of water.

    This seems very rushed to me. Something doesn’t add up IMO time line wise with Allison’s hair appointment, having dinner with her friend and getting home in time to put the girls to bed. I guess though at that stage it wasn’t really relevant.

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  40. I just found this:
    The Sunday Mail understands that Allison’s husband, Gerard Baden-Clay, is yet to make an official statement to police after he reported her missing from their Brookfield home at 7.30am on April 20.

    He told police he last saw his wife about 10pm the night before, when she left for a walk.

    So what is it GBC, she went for a walk at 10:00pm or at 6:00am?

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    1. Nice one Mookie finding that. I’m guessing the prosecution will be replying to that question with:

      “The answer is C) none of the above – there was no walk”.

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        1. Both men and women know that a woman who has a her hair done specifically for the next day is NOT going to go walking/running and get all hot/ sweaty. Especially if you have long hair. Women with shoulder length hair usually put it up for walking. It was an extra long day for Allison and the office coworkers said she was very excited about attending the conference. She would have wanted to look her best. She was starting to do all the things she was trained to do in her profession. Which would have gradually made her stronger in body and mind.

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  41. I was just looking at the 3D video of inside Allison’s home. It brought me to tears. 😦 Ole Nige needs to look at the manifestation ( Nige’s new word ) around the outside of the house, the part his son should have been taking care of instead of running round with other women. Considering what Allison was dealing with from GBC and his extra marital affairs, a business that was making no money, teaching dance classes, working at the Real Estate and most importantly taking care of her 3 little girls, I think she kept a reasonably neat home. Sure doesn’t look like a home of someone that suffers major depression as ‘bwanna the Banana’ was trying to make her out to be. All so sad 😦

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    1. Don’t worry, Jessie, members of the jury are people like us. They live real lives, often difficult lives. They know what it’s like to run a home on little money, with children to care for and take here and there. Many of those jurors are living the same type of lives. They aren’t judging Allison. They’re judging GBC and members of his clan. And they’re learning exactly what Allison had to put up and cope with. Main thing is, Allison’s daughters remember her as their beautiful, kind, loving mother who always did her best for them. And she would have continued to do just that if she hadn’t been murdered and taken away from them. That’s all that matters in the end — Allison’s daughters will remember their loving mum until their own end. And no-one can take their memories away

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    2. Even TM -in the two times she unabashedly stayed at the house whilst Allison and girls were visiting her parents commented what a dark unattractive home it was. It seemed in her LE statement that she was casting that condition of the home solely on GBC being in real estate and so concerned about the appearance of his listings. He obviously couldn’t give a toss about the home occupied by his wife and children but was particular and judgemental of condition of seller’s homes. The exterior of the home/yard was also completely left to the wild. GBC co-workers said he always invited staff to lunch at a restaurant whereas they would have everyone round to their home on a week-end.

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    3. I doubt Allison was allowed money to paint the walls another colour than white and decorate the way she wanted to. After all she was very artistic. GBC pretended to be such a hotshot business man. And yet in his profession did nothing with his own property. Where did the money go? Well coworkers said he would take the whole office out for lunches/dinners when they had expected to be invited over to his house as others did. Bwana’s teachings were likely ‘dazzle the public in public at all times don’t spend money that the public can’t see’. remember new Prado 8 weeks before. Whoever gave him cash for his business around that time obviously went in to new vehicle. CC debt was 45K.

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  42. Hi Chris, some people just cannot let go.Sorry about that hiccup folks

    Someone ( a former trusted person here) logged in using old credentials and set first 3 days to private I just discovered, that’s why I could see them as I’m admin.

    I know who that person is. “Former member” you left this site so mind you own business and keep doing your own thing in peace.

    Expect a knock on your door shortly if you try that again. I have very good IP tracing software and connections remember that.

    Having said that, all past persons data is being deleted and a 2 step secure sign in is in place to access my dashboard.

    Have a nice day
    (edited by me)

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    1. Some time ago, I received an invitation to join another site covering the GBC Trial.

      On visiting the other site, I noticed many familiar names from this site, who obviously had also received the same invitation.

      I posted several comments questioning the ethics of a former Aussie Criminals Administrator Harvesting the Aussie Criminals Address Book, and using such to promote an opposition site.

      After about my third comment, when I pointed out that such was a low act, all my posts there disappeared, and I found myself blocked from that site.

      I say Sue them Robbo. What they have done is a breach of our Privacy Laws.

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        1. I didn’t know anything about it. I clicked on the old Aussie Crooks and Crims that I’ve had saved in my Favourites from the start and ended up here. Guess the other mob didn’t want me, lol. Or maybe it’s because I don’t use that email address apart from use it to register for online fora. Anyway, hope a LOT of our old buddies find their way back here. And welcome to all the new members, too

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      1. The Information Privacy Act (2000) is there for the protection of our privacy. If this has been breached, this is a serious matter. One of your admin told me that admin gets times, dates, how many times logged in and addresses of users of this site. This info can be used to identify users on other sites – which is a breach of privacy. Any admin have a duty of care to protect users privacy.

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    2. I would call that ‘stealing’ to take peoples email addresses without their consent and use it to their own advantage! Nice to see your site picking up again Robbo, always loved this site from day dot ! TY Robbo for this site.

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  43. Sorry to be a pest, but I’m still looking for the post which said GBC’s legal team have gone to considerable lengths to prevent court evidence being released to the media. It was a long post but I can’t find it. And doesn’t seem to be much discussion of it. I think it’s important and thank the poster who presented it in this forum. Now, if only I could find it again for a proper read ….

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    1. It was at the committal hearing that defence argued against allowing the media to report (or see?) evidence, from what I can find. So I’m talking to myself here as a way of letting others know

      Will have to go and read it and try to understand it soon. Don’t know if it’s an unusual step by defence or not, seeing I don’t know much about trials. Those in the court (including members of the public?) would be privy to evidence presented during the trial, wouldn’t they? So I don’t know how it would work. Would the judge prohibit discussion of the evidence by members of the public who managed to get a seat in court? How would they police it?

      Anyway, that’s where the arguments took place re: not allowing the media to see? or report evidence presented during trial — it’s in the committal hearings apparently

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  44. This is very disappointing to hear from you in this manner Dan.
    I was not solicited by email as you suggest.
    I have been friends privately for quite some time.
    I have contacted others through another site that allows private messaging. Some of these people are local friends who meet for coffee.

    I have never slandered this site. On the contrary. I have expressed its value to others.
    I was not alone in extolling the virtues of the AC site when Robbo was being slandered personally.

    It might pay to step back and take a good hard look at the reason that brought us all together. A deadly serious reason, about which it quite possible that a killer will walk free.
    Just because his guilt is as plain as the light of day, he will walk free without hard evidence. These blog sites provide an excellent manner of separating the grain from the chaff. And separating Lies from Truths.

    Now, because something or other within the site is not working properly, Robbo is blaming a previous Admin.
    All these sites get glitches from to time.
    To start blaming those who invested a huge amount of time and anguish into this site when Robbo was AWOL, is rather tardy to say the least.
    Robbo disappeared for a very long time and was un-contactable.
    Others stepped in to keep the site going. Editing as necessary and removing spam etc.
    Why? Because those same people could see the merit in the AC site.
    I personally thought this site to be very worthy and valuable.
    As I have said before, I have no doubt that the Chamberlain case would never have gone the way it did, if there were Internet sites such as these where people can hash things over.

    When Robbo returned, his comments were derogatory to say the least. “The place needs tidying up” or words to that effect.
    No thanks to Admin.
    It wasn’t the “no thanks to Admin” that I thought was peculiar; and insulting, It was the attitude that the the place was better off now without the trouble makers.

    I have refrained from speaking up before now, but must admit that I am highly surprised by this turn of events. It is a bit like shooting the messenger.

    I ask these questions:
    Why are we here?
    What has brought us together?
    Is is to slander those who worked tirelessly so that good may overcome evil?
    Is it to blame somebody else when an Internet Site gets glitches in its own system?
    Or it is to help see Justice achieved for someone who is unable to speak for herself?

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    1. Hi Queensland Country Lady ! 🙂

      I’ve been hoping to find you here again

      Sorry there’s an upset. I haven’t been in the forum much for at least a year so don’t know the ins and outs

      What I do know is, you were always a respected voice in this forum and very well liked

      Hope to see a lot more of you now the trial’s underway. We’re all keen to see justice done. It won’t bring Allison back or give her back to her girls and parents. The truth that emerges may be very painful for them. Hopefully in time things will get easier for Allison’s loved ones. Regardless of further pain to them though, Allison must have justice. Justice must be done in her name, otherwise it was all loss

      Take care of yourself, QCL 🙂 and keep on fighting for justice and against injustice

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      1. QLDL and BB- I too have not been on the site for more than a year as I left when there was tension amongst some commenters going on. I appreciated the fact that for the most part back in 2012 every one’s opinion was respected and valid. As you’ve both said it is important to refresh minds details on the case. Analyse statements scenarios and contradictions. A young mother was murdered and someone thinks he can through her away like trash not even in a bin. We have good dialog going which I believe will gradually entice other people to come in as trial and justice prevail.

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        1. I agree, Moonraker. Well said ! And least said about the past, soonest mended

          So as you say, onwards and upwards. We can’t be there in the court, but we can thrash out whatever information we have between ourselves, wherever we are, and feel as if in some way, we’re helping put things to rights 🙂

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    2. Hi QCL, Good to see you here again,

      With regard to my post on being canvassed to join an alternate site, That is a fact, and while I did notice many AC Posters there, I did not mention the names of either yourself or any other parties who’s handles I recognized.

      I was simply stating the fact that my e-mail address was lifted from the AC Site and used by an alternate site to canvas me to join that other site, and on asking questions about such, my posts were removed and I was blocked from Posting there.

      Such are the facts and it represents a breach of our privacy laws.

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  45. I’ve not been in this forum for over a year so I can’t and won’t comment about any dramas which may have taken place.
    Justice for Allison is getting closer and that’s all that matters right?
    It’s good to have somewhere to go and discuss the court proceedings with like-minded people who want the same outcome so then, why the dissention?
    Come on everyone, we all have a right to comment in these public forums about the topic at hand, let’s not attack each other in the process.
    Peace out 🙂

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  46. Hi Mookie well said.I hope we can all move forward, I have really worked hard this year on the site on my own, and pretty proud of how it is going. I’m looking forward to Monday, but for now enjoy your Sunday folks

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    1. Well done, Robbo. It’s brilliant. I honestly don’t know how you (or any site manager for that matter) do it. Guess you need a certain type of mind to work with computers and create something like this. It must be mind-bending. Way beyond me and beyond most of us, for sure. Don’t blame you for being proud

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  47. Here are the Forensic photos of the amount of blood found in the back of Allison’s Captiva. I know it’s old news and common knowledge, but I thought I’d post it anyway as a reminder. This shows a substantial amount of blood loss, most likely the result of a head wound of sorts due to the position of the stains.
    Having read the autopsy report, and due to the time between probable time of death and the discovery of Allison’s body, IMO the amount of decomposition has covered the likely wound to her face/head area. Further, the coroner states that death can result from a blow to the head without any apparent skull damage. Allison also had injury to her chest and left shun. IMO he ran her down after they’d had a physical altercation resulting in her scratching his face in self defence.
    I guess police have considered this COD and taken appropriate height measurements from Allison’s points of injury in relation to both vehicles probable points of contact.
    I’m convinced too that NBC had an involvement if not directly, certainly after the fact. Why else did police not find (or as yet, undisclosed) evidence of the items used to effect the clean up of the vehicle during their search of both BC properties? NBC has disposed of them I suspect. Maybe Olivia had a hand in it too?
    One thing I’m sure of and as others have mentioned, GBC hasn’t got the gustanyas or the smarts to pull this off alone.
    I see a very big upset coming during this trial.
    I still have a strange feeling about the bathroom too for whats it’s worth.
    And Burleigh, I agree that no woman would go walking just having had her hair done, unless of course she was running for her life.
    Day 4 tomorrow 🙂

    http://www.aww.com.au/news-features/news-stories/2012/6/baden-clay-the-murder-that-rocked-australia/

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      1. Thanks for the photos, Robbo. They’re so graphic and disturbing even when you realise much of it is the chemical used to locate blood areas. I’m just so impressed with forensic capabilities and the dedication employed. It’s amazing to learn that investigators managed to locate a hair from Allison and blood trace/s from such a large vehicle. The concentration expended is admirable and could swing the case. I know police would say it’s just part of their job, but I’m really impressed with those first officers to attend that morning, especially after reading their statements. Their quick assessment and actions must have taken the BCs by surprise. They called for back-up, they got that incriminating statement out of OW and prevented NBC from slipping away with the vac. Top marks to those officers !

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        1. No worries BB Yes the cops knew something was up instantly. Mums with kids don’t just walk away. Not loving ones anyway.

          That first day or so is critical in gathering and collecting pristine evidence.

          Sometimes things that seemed to have no meaning at all back then are now crucial. used tissues, clothes, toys, razors, shoes and things stuck to them, computers old and new, especially contents of hard drives.

          Deleting stuff means nothing. nearly all data can be retrieved. Idiots who google for eg How to poison someone, then their partner drops dead 2 days later…The idiot thinks he is clever because the deleted then emptied recycle bin on computer. It is still ALL there until it is written over and could mean never.

          Good this stuff isnt it, Cheers

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    1. Mookie aka Brissie Bella, someone came up with a brilliant theory the other day. They said the scratches looked as if Allison had raked GBC’s face as he grabbed her from behind. It’s an interesting theory, isn’t it? And could fit

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      1. This had crossed my mind, given the proximity of the couch to the front door and stairs down to the carport. It’s possible he (they?)made his(their?) murderous approach from behind, hand over mouth, dragged her out of the door, down the stairs etc. An almighty struggle in the carport, etc. It’s also possible she regained consciousness and realised what was happening – tried to escape, hence screams heard at different locations. Maybe she did escape for a bit and he(they?) yelled out to corner her, etc – hence neighbours who heard calling out.
        Sadly they captured and overpowered her. I think he(they?) placed her underneath that bridge to make sure that her body would not be found immediately.

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  48. Hi Robbo! It’s me Brissie Bella? Can’t for the life of me remember what name I used back then hahahaha

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    1. Hi Brissie Bella — I’m sure I remember you. Hope you get your ID reinstated or maybe you could just sign-in using that ID?

      Some members are geniuses with the details of the case. They put an enormous amount of concentration into it. Others remember details which many others have forgotten. While others of us just want to participate and somehow make sure through combined will-power that Allison and her loved ones see certain someone/s punished

      As far as I’m concerned, everyone who participates is working for good, regardless of which site they frequent. I miss a lot of the old members and wish them well wherever they are now. I shouldn’t have spoken further up the page re: ‘privacy’. I got the wrong end of the stick, as usual and didn’t know anything about a split seeing I wasn’t involved or even visiting this site at the time. Anyway, I don’t think anyone compromised my privacy because when I learned which members had started up their own group, I knew my privacy was in good hands. After all, they’re people working for good, in this case, for Allison and her family. So they’re decent people with Queensland Country Lady being one of the best

      All we need now is to hear a heavy sentence passed on Allison’s killer so her parents, children, friends and family can move forward in confidence. And thanks to everyone who attends the court 🙂

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    2. Well Hello Mookie / Brissie Bella / Bella Donna, so,so great to see you back. I think a lot of us may have forgotten our old login details 🙂

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  49. As with almost everyone else, no doubt, I’ve been hoping investigators managed to locate Allison’s phone

    Back at the start, we held a lot of discussions about that phone. And the media reported a number of times that police were searching for it in this and that location. The media let us know, for example, that police believed at one point the phone was nearby Allison’s home. Then the issue of the phone was overtaken by newer news re: the case and some very good online sleuths spent a lot of time trying to figure out where the phone could be based on reported ‘pings’ and triangulations, etc. But we were never told conclusively that the phone had been located

    More recently, we’ve learned from released documents that police were swift in trying to locate the phone and apparently one of the first attenders used GBC’s phone in efforts to locate Allison’s phone. There appeared to be success when it was believed Allison’s phone was less than a 100 metres from her own house. That was established, or seemed to be, using ‘my friend’ application on GBC’s phone. The officer involved reported that in response, GBC merely replied, ‘ That’s good’ or words to that effect. In other words, he wasn’t swept away in enthusiasm by the fact his allegedly ‘missing’ wife’s phone had been located so close to home

    Things are a bit fuzzy after that, or at least they’re fuzzy to me. Did the police search for Allison’s phone immediately, based on the fact they believed it was only metres from the family home? (I’ve read various distances, some of 60 metres from the house, others claim 120 metres). Did the police guard the property behind the house preparatory to searching? Or did they concentrate (and who could blame them) on finding Allison alive and collecting evidence from the house and yard, etc.? In other words, was the area where the phone was believed by police to be —- left unguarded? And during that unguarded period, did one or more people sneak back and retrieve the phone, basically from under the police’s noses? If so, were those people tipped off by someone to come and get that incriminating phone asap while the police were busy elsewhere?

    All along, I’ve wondered if the police eventually located the phone and I’ve hoped it would be powerful evidence at trial. The other day I read somewhere that if the police did find Allison’s phone, they would have been forced to reveal that information to defence. So that shoots down my hopes and the hopes of many

    People have suggested Allison’s phone might have been tossed into a septic tank or broken up and flushed down the toilet. It’s been suggested the area where Allison’s home was located is not on the sewerage system – just septic tanks. And apparently when Allison lived there, the area wasn’t guttered or drained, so the phone couldn’t have been tossed into draining beneath the roads, either. I don’t know if that information is accurate because I’m not familiar with the area

    Others have suggested that area contains numerous ‘mines’, or wells or shafts. If so, it’s possible the phone was deliberately thrown into one and retrieved secretly later on. The phone plays a role, it has to

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  50. Great comment there BB, that missing phone is missing for a reason. Some people have their entire phone backed up to the cloud (cyberspace storage) It takes one click to set on most mobile phones.Currently and in years to come they will reveal and catch criminals and crimes of all types.

    Imagine you capture some footage of perpetrator, or a residence they lock you in or drive you too knowing bad is to become of you. record in your own voice your predicament or threats made etc

    That evidence might not save your life but will help investigators AND loved ones in piecing together your last movements

    Not to mention the GPS tracking

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    1. Thanks Robbo and yes, current and future technology is providing security our grandparents couldn’t even have dreamt of. DNA evidence is setting people free from prison after they’ve been convicted of crimes they were innocent of and it’s helping put people away even though they’ve believed they had the perfect alibi. CCTV is within reach of ordinary householders now and providing the sort of security it used to take three dogs and a gun to protect, in addition to providing proof positive regarding identity of those guilty of street and other crimes

      Mobile phones have developed way beyond simple convenience and as you say, function as individual security devices in addition to having dozens of other applications

      Allison’s phone was the equivalent of a homing-device and should have led to her recovery, dead or alive, within hours. Unfortunately, criminals are technology-savvy too and Allison’s killer/s didn’t want police to locate her – at least not for some time. No body meant no insurance payout, so the killer/s wanted her to be found, but not until sufficient time had elapsed for DNA and other evidence to have degraded. At least that’s the theory online sleuths have arrived at, based on information available to the public

      Of course, we could be overestimating the intelligence of the killer/s, and it may be that Allison’s phone was thrown out of a car by the killer/s to mislead investigators. Or it could be it was lost in a scuffle. Or Allison herself could have tossed her phone while being transported, in the hope it would lead investigators to her.

      The fact Allison’s phone was not with her body when she was discovered belies the suicide theories being hinted at by the defence team. Not that the public at large is inclined to accept that suicide theory. However, defence cannot have it all their way. If they wish to persuade the jury that Allison walked over a dozen kilometres to throw herself onto a mud bank, they must also convince the jury that Allison did not wish her body to be found and so walked further kilometres out of her way in order to first lose her mobile phone before killing herself. It’s ridiculous and I can’t see many jurors willing to accept it

      A scouring of online discussions about possible locations for the phone and those with opportunity and reason to deliberately mislead searchers and investigators, reveals a theory which suggests the ‘my friend’ application which placed Allison’s phone within 60 to 120 metres from her home was a false reading based on an earlier satellite locator placing Allison’s phone in the vicinity of Moggil Road. Whether that theory is valid is open to conjecture. For certain though is that Allison’s phone plays a vital role in putting the defence’s desperate suicide-theory in the garbage bin AND nailing her killer/s

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  51. Hi BB, Hi Jessy, it’s good to back 🙂
    BB, GBC attacking ABC from behind fits well and the scratches do suggest this. I can’t remember who said that either, but I believe this is what took place.

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    1. Well, Mookie — there are seven men in the jury, apparently. Men who’ve spent a good part of their lives shaving the whiskers from their face, using every type of shaving equipment. Men who’ve toiled away with razors while thinking of this and that. Men who’ve nicked themselves while shaving, cursed and dabbed a bit of Stipic on the nick, or dabbed at it with tissues and towels. Seven men who might not know a lot about law or killing — but who know all about shaving nicks, from long personal experience. They’re the guys, those men on the jury, who’re going to study GBC’s facial wounds. And so are the women jurors, most of whom have watched their fathers, brothers, husbands and boyfriends shave

      To date, in two years of reading comments about this crime online, I haven’t heard one man (or their wives) say GBC’s facial wounds look anything like any shaving ‘nick’ they’ve ever seen in their lives, although a few of them might have been scratched by fingernails in their time

      It doesn’t matter if prosecution can’t prove conclusively that GBC’s facial gouges were caused by fingernails. It’s the jury which decides if those gouges were caused by shaving or fingernails. And it’s the jury which will learn that police found no blood on towels or tissues or on GBC’s razor, despite his claim that he nicked himself while shaving only an hour or so before police arrived

      They’re deep gouges which were still weeping clear stuff while the police were there. It would take a bit of leverage to dig nails in that deeply and when another poster suggested they were inflicted by someone who’d been grabbed from behind, it was easy to visualise. Not sure if such deep, long gouges would be inflicted by someone facing GBC, unless — as in the case of someone grabbed from behind — the person was lower than GBC. I’m glad Allison left her mark on him in a way he couldn’t lie his way out of. Bet he cursed

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  52. SHORTLY AFTER GERARD’S SISTER OLIVIA WALTON ARRIVED BACK AT THE ADDRESS AFTER HAVING TAKEN THE CHILDREN TO SCHOOL. SHE WENT UPSTAIRS INTO THE HOUSE, BUT QUICKLY RETURNED BACK DOWNSTAIRS.

    I ASKED HER WHAT THE GIRLS HAD BEEN TOLD THIS MORNING, SHE SAID

    “THAT GERARD TOLD THE GIRLS SHORTLY AFTER 6am THAT MUMMY HAD GONE FOR A WALK AND PROBABLY FELL DOWN A HOLE AND WOULD NOT BE BACK”

    SHE (OLIVIA WALTON) THEN ASKED “IS THAT OK ? “

    The above is from https://aussiecriminals.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kieron-ash.pdf

    which is a copy of the Queensland Police Service Statement of Witness

    the witness being Constable Keiron Ash

    Olivia Walton, sister of Gerard Baden Clay reported to police that her brother had told his little girls, aged from five to ten years, that their missing mother had Probably fallen down a hole and would not be back

    Constable Keiron Ash, in the same Queensland Police Witness Statement linked above, reported:

    While Constable Hammond had a conversation with Gerard, I observed Gerard’s body language when answering questions. I noticed that when Gerard was asked questions about himself he would hold his head up straight and make direct eye contact and when asked questions about his wife Allison he would look down at the floor or table and fidget with his hands. Gerard appeared very confident about himself but agitated when having to answer questions about Allison

    This is the same Gerard whom his father cites as phoning him early on that morning, saying ‘ I don’t want to alarm you, but have you seen Allison’

    This is the same Gerard who texted the supposedly ‘missing on a walk’ Allison, to say he was making her daughter’s breakfast and was worried about her, Love G. And again, he went through the same rigmarole to his supposedly missing on a walk wife, begging her to text or phone him as to her whereabouts. It’s the same Gerard who phoned police when his supposedly missing on a walk wife was less than half an hour late

    The same Gerard who told Allison’s little girls that their mother had probably fallen down a hole and wouldn’t be back

    Did he also tell Constables Ash and Hammond that his wife had probably fallen down a hole and wouldn’t be back ? Oh no. Don’t think so

    Constables Ash and Hammond will doubtless read the Queensland Police Witness Statement to jurors and tell jurors that Gerard Baden Clay — according to his sister Olivia Walton — told his frightened little girls their supposedly ‘missing’ mother had fallen down a hole and wouldn’t be back — before having those poor little girls whisked away to school. And jurors will take it all in

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    1. Great post Burleigh Beach. I was really surprised in the 3 girls video statement when they were asked what that had been told that none of them mentioned about their mother falling down a hole and wouldn’t be back’. Maybe they had been ‘debriefed’, when they left school early as they were upset and anxious. I think it was approx 10am NBC picked them up from school. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I’ve been following this for just over 2 years and now the old brain seems to be running on overload.

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  53. Great post BB, and good morning to you and Jessy 🙂
    Day 4 today!
    BB, I just had a vision flash before my eyes of GBC bolstering Allison over the edge of “something” (perhaps a mine shaft, well, bridge)…. And I could see her fighting to hold onto him and gouging at his face as he attempted to drop her (from behind). This might also explain how her jumper came to be up around her neck?

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    1. Nige is expected to be on the witness stand again today at 10 am. Also reported that the Dickies will give evidence today. I have been re-reading the POS Nige’s testimony from last week and it is all about insinuating major depression.

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  54. I’m going to ask a friend if she will accompany me to one of the court sessions this week

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  55. Morning Oz, should be very interesting indeed! I’m trying to convince Ant to come into court with me hmmmmmm

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  56. Hi folks as you can see I have updated GBC Trial days with new content from the ABC for now…

    CM and news limited can get nicked, I have deleted all their stuff, never to return, never to get one more dollar in subscriptions from me and everyone I tell too!

    Any other added content will be from our very own fingers and folks who go to court and share like Gerryrocks and InterestedDuo and others.

    WE don’t need the stress here

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