Gerard Baden-Clay Trial-Day 13


flowers-for-allison All previous threads and history including trial can be found clicking on link below https://aussiecriminals.com.au/category/gerard-baden-clay/ List of Trial Witnesses as they appear here ANY EVIDENCE LIKE PHOTOS, VIDEO OR DOCUMENTS THE COURT RELEASES TO THE PUBLIC WILL BE PUBLISHED in the GBC Documents Page

Gerard Baden-Clay testifies: Live coverage of accused killer’s third day in witness box

Gerard Baden-Clay trial: Accused murderer continues giving evidence on third day in the witness box

3:31pm: Mr Fuller referred to an email Ms McHugh sent Mr Baden-Clay telling him she was tired of “pacifying” his marriage and being “second best”.”Wasn’t she capable of saying all that to your wife?” Mr Fuller asked.The court has previously heard Ms McHugh and Mrs Baden-Clay were due to come face-to-face for the first time since the affair had been made public at a real estate conference on April 20, 2012. “No … I had known her [Ms McHugh] for a period of over four years and I knew she had these explosive moments and then cooled down afterwards,” Mr Baden-Clay said. “I had no concern. Allison had probably anticipated that Toni would be at that conference anyway.”
A copy of Allison Baden-Clay's journal has been tendered to the Brisbane Supreme Court.

A copy of Allison Baden-Clay’s journal has been tendered to the Brisbane Supreme Court.

3:20pm: Mr Fuller has asked Mr Baden-Clay about the list of questions in Mrs Baden-Clay’s journal. In the journal entry Mrs Baden-Clay wrote: “Laughed at undies. Told me I smelled.” Mr Fuller asked Mr Baden-Clay to explain the comments. “We had recommenced our sexual relationship in February [2012] after the best part of nine years without any and it was very awkward initially. There were a couple of occasions, the beginning, where Allison was very self-conscious and very self-aware of what we were doing and I think she thinks that I laughed at the underwear that she was wearing and that’s not true,” Mr Baden-Clay said. “What about the next one?” Mr Fuller said. “I didn’t tell her she smelled. Neither of us had had a shower on one occasion and I said maybe we should have a shower because we smelled,” Mr Baden-Clay said. Mr Fuller suggested Mrs Baden-Clay asked Mr Baden-Clay those questions on Thursday April 19, 2012. “That’s completely untrue,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

3:08pm: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay failed to tell police on the morning he reported his wife missing that he had rekindled his relationship with his mistress Toni McHugh.”At that point in time my primary concern was for Allison’s safety and her whereabouts,” Mr Baden-Clay said.”At any moment I anticipated that she would be back. So no, I did not discuss the fact that I’d been in contact with Toni McHugh.”
3:05pm: Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC has continued his cross-examination of Gerard Baden-Clay. Mr Fuller has turned his questioning to the night Mr and Mrs Baden-Clay drove to the Mt Coot-tha Lookout to discuss his affair. The court has previously heard Mrs Baden-Clay asked her husband a series of questions about the time he spent with his mistress Toni McHugh on the evening of April 18, 2012. The questions were written in Mrs Baden-Clay’s journal. “You didn’t tell police about a conversation on the 18th,” Mr Fuller said. “They didn’t ask me about that,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
3:00pm: The jury has been called to return to the courtroom.Court is in session.
2:46pm: Court has resumed.But legal argument is continuing between the prosecution and defence counsels.The jury is not yet present.
Crown Prosecutor Todd Fuller QC.

Crown Prosecutor Todd Fuller QC. Photo: Renee Melides

 

1:27pm Wrap: So far today … * Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC began his cross-examination of Mr Baden-Clay in dramatic fashion. Mr Fuller: “Mr Baden-Clay you deceived your wife for nearly four years didn’t you?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.” Speaking loudly and forcefully, Mr Fuller stood at the bar with his hands folded in front of him. Mr Baden-Clay sat in the witness box responding to Mr Fuller’s questions in a hushed tones, prompting Justice John Byrne to request the former real estate agent speak louder. Mr Baden-Clay sat in the witness box with his hands folded in his lap, occasionally sipping from a cup of water.

  • * Mr Baden-Clay admitted to sleeping with another woman while at a conference in Sydney. At the time, he was still in a secret relationship with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh, while maintaining his marriage.
  • * The 43-year-old denied ever intending to leave his wife for Ms McHugh.
  • * He also denied being under significant financial pressure at the time of his wife’s disappearance, saying he was only under “some” financial pressure and “things were getting better”.
1:06pm: Court has adjourned for lunch and will resume at 2.30pm.
 

1:05pm: Mr Fuller has turned his attention to a blog written by Mr Baden-Clay about his wife’s 40th birthday when Mrs Baden-Clay visited a health spa for a week. Mr Fuller read from the blog: “The past week I have been trying to do my best impersonation of my dear wife, and struggling.” The court has previously heard Mr Baden-Clay claim his wife left most of the household duties to him due to her battle with depression. He has told the court Mrs Baden-Clay would go to bed, as soon as he arrived home from work, leaving the tasks of making dinner and putting the children to bed to him. Mr Baden-Clay’s defence barrister Michael Byrne QC raised a matter with Justice John Byrne. The jury was excused from the courtroom.

12:47pm: Mr Fuller has turned his questioning toMrBaden-Clay’s meeting with Ms McHugh at a coffee shop in early 2012.”You told her it was too hard to keep going the way you were going,” Mr Fuller said.”[She said] ‘If you need to be with your wife, if that’s the decision you’re making, then say it’. And your response was, ‘No, I will be leaving my wife, I am leaving my wife’.” “I can’t recollect that,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “It’s the second last time you spoke to Ms McHugh in person,” Mr Fuller said. “I don’t have recollection of those specific things you said,” Mr Baden-Clay said.
12:41pm: Mr Fuller: “Who was more important to you Mr Baden-Clay?”Mr Baden-Clay: “Allison, absolutely Allison.”
12:40pm: Mr Fuller has turned his attention to the two occasions Mr Baden-Clay was intimate with Ms McHugh in the months after his wife had discovered the affair.”You told us you had sex with her, why did you do that?” Mr Fuller asked.”One occasion was not … was after we had met at a coffee shop and when we went back to our cars to leave I sat in her car and talked with her for a little bit longer,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. He took a deep breath and looked down at his hands. “How much sordid detail am I expected to give your Honour?” Mr Baden-Clay said. “I’m not asking for the sordid details, I’m asking why you had sex with her,” Mr Fuller said. “It wasn’t sex as in intercourse, but umm, I don’t know if I can really answer that question,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
Gerard Baden-Clay in court on trial for the murder of his wife Allison Baden-Clay.

Gerard Baden-Clay in court on trial for the murder of his wife Allison Baden-Clay. Photo: Ten News

12:34pm: “You told Toni McHugh that you didn’t love your wife didn’t you?” Mr Fuller asked.“I may have done,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.“Again just to placate her?” Mr Fuller asked. “Yes, absolutely,” Mr Baden-Clay said.
12:34pm: Mr Fuller: “When did you first tell Allison that you didn’t love her?” Mr Baden-Clay: “I can’t remember. I did tell her that on an occasion, but I can’t remember.” Mr Fuller: “Was it more than once?” Mr Baden-Clay: “The conversations that we had were … please forgive me I’m just trying to recollect for you … we were … I’m trying to think if I can give you a reference to a time. I think it must have been in 2009 perhaps when we first when to see [psychiatrist] Tom George and we’d had a couple of conversations prior to meeting with him.” Justice John Byrne: “2009?” Mr Baden-Clay: “I think that’s correct your Honour.” Mr Fuller: “When Allison asked you to go with her to go and see him [Dr George]?” Mr Baden-Clay: “We agreed to go together … and it was after our conversations with Dr George … [I said] that I still loved her but I didn’t feel in love with her.”
12:28pm: Mr Fuller referred to an email from Ms McHugh to Mr Baden-Clay.”It’s clear that you have led her to believe that you were moving out and needed somewhere to live,” Mr Fuller said.”She was constantly trying to put additional pressure on me,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “That pressure was right up until April 19, 2012. She wanted you to leave you wife. She wanted to be with you,” Mr Fuller said.
Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh's emails are submitted to the Brisbane Supreme Court where the father-of-three is standing trial for his wife Allison's murder.

Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh’s emails are submitted to the Brisbane Supreme Court where the father-of-three is standing trial for his wife Allison’s murder. Photo: Court Exhibit

12:23pm: Mr Baden-Clay said he felt a responsibility to Ms McHugh.”She was under your spell wasn’t she?” Mr Fuller said. “Is that how it started?”“How do you mean?” Mr Baden-Clay asked. “Well you told us that you’d been couselling some of your staff. You told us she had problems in her own relationship. She was vulnerable wasn’t she?” Mr Fuller asked. “I didn’t think of her as vulnerable,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
Toni McHugh leaves court.

Toni McHugh leaves court. Photo: Channel 7

12:18pm: The court has heard Mr Baden-Clay was involved in an affair with a woman named Jackie Crane, while also involved in a relationship with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh and maintaining his marriage.Under heated questioning from Mr Fuller, Mr Baden-Clay admitted to sleeping with Ms Crane for a “couple of months”.On one occasion Mr Baden-Clay slept with Ms Crane while attending a real estate conference in Sydney. Mr Baden-Clay admitted he asked Ms McHugh to fly to Sydney to join him at the conference the following day.
12:14pm: Mr Fuller noted that Mr Baden-Clay had previously broken off his relationship with Ms McHugh.”Why didn’t you have the strength to do that in April 2012?” Mr Fuller asked, referring to the emails Mr Baden-Clay had sent Ms McHugh.“I told her on those occasions when we’d broken up over those three years … the reason we got back together was because I was concerned about what her reaction would be,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “I had the courage on occasion to try and end the relationship and the weakness to go back into it or placate Toni.”
12:09pm: Mr Fuller has turned his attention again to MrBaden-Clay’s relationship with Ms McHugh in late 2011 and early 2012.”There were two occasions when we did have a sexual interaction and I deeply regret that. I deeply regret the whole thing. We were communicating with one another, I wouldn’t call it an affair,” Mr Baden-Clay said.“So why did you ring her up and ask her if she had told the police that you were back together?” Mr Fuller asked. “I had instructed her to tell the police everything,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
12:05pm: Mr Fuller has turned his questioning to MrsBaden-Clay’s response to the discovery of her husband’s affair in light of her history with depression.”There was no lying around?” Mr Fuller asked.Mr Baden-Clay said his wife had retreated to the couch on occasion after learning of his affair. Mr Fuller indicated he was surprised to hear Mrs Baden-Clay had time to sit on the couch while working four days a week and raising three children. Mr Baden-Clay rebuffed the suggestion.
12:01pm: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay agreed to hand his wife his mobile phone each night after she discovered his affair. The court has previously heard Mr Baden-Clay deleted any calls he received from Ms McHugh. The court has also previously heard Mr Baden-Clay had sex with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh on two occasions after his wife discovered the affair. “So when were you going to be open and honest with her about those things?” Mr Fuller asked. “I didn’t intend to disclose those things potentially ever … because I didn’t want to put in jeopardy our relationship together,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “There was a real risk she was going to walk out wasn’t there?” Mr Fuller said. “There was of course a risk,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
11:58am: Mr Fuller: “The representation that people saw of your life as of 2011 and 2012 didn’t really have a ring of truth about it did it? … Your relationship with your wife was in trouble.”Mr Baden-Clay: “In 2011, at the time that Allison became aware of the affair with Toni, certainly our relationship was in trouble, but we were rebuilding from that moment.”
 
11:51am: Mr Fuller questioned Mr Baden-Clay about his continued false promises to Ms McHugh.”So you were willing to say whatever could be said to get yourself out of the situation?” Mr Fuller asked.“In that situation yes,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
Gerard Baden-Clay's former mistress Toni McHugh.

Gerard Baden-Clay’s former mistress Toni McHugh. Photo: Supplied

11:50am: Mr Fuller has noted Mr Baden-Clay rekindled his relationship with Ms McHugh in the months after his wife discovered the affair. “You couldn’t live without her could you?” Mr Fuller said. “That’s not correct,” Mr Baden-Clay replied. “That’s why you went back to her?” Mr Fuller said.

11:44am: Mr Fuller noted July 1 happened to be his wife’s birthday.”It also happens to be today,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.
 
11:43am: Mr Fuller has questioned Mr Baden-Clay about the emails he sent to Toni McHugh promising to be with her “unconditionally” by July 1.The email read: “This is agony for me too. I love you. I’m sorry you hung up on me. It sounded like you were getting very angry. I love you GG. Leave things to me now. I love you GM.”Mr Baden-Clay and Ms McHugh called each other GG for “Gorgeous Girl” and GM for “Gorgeous Man”. Mr Baden-Clay has insisted he sent the emails to placate Ms McHugh.
Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh's emails are submitted to the Brisbane Supreme Court where the father-of-three is standing trial for his wife Allison's murder.

Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh’s emails are submitted to the Brisbane Supreme Court where the father-of-three is standing trial for his wife Allison’s murder. Photo: Court Exhibit

sook11:41am: Mr Fuller is standing at the bar, with his hands folded in front of him.His voice echoing throughout the courtroom.A softly spoken Mr Baden-Clay is seated in the witness box with his hands folded in his lap.
11:39am: Court has resumed.Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC has started his cross-examination of Mr Baden-Clay in dramatic fashion.Mr Fuller: “Mr Baden-Clay you deceived your wife for nearly four years didn’t you?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.” Mr Fuller: “You led her to believe that your were faithful?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes I did.” Mr Fuller: “You led her to believe that she was the problem in the relationship?” Mr Baden-Clay: “No.” Mr Fuller: “You led her to believe that you wanted to change, that you wanted to make things different?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.” Mr Fuller: “You led her to believe that you had chosen her over Toni McHugh?” Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.”
 
11:24am: Mr Byrne has finished questioning Mr Baden-Clay.Mr Baden-Clay will be cross-examined by prosecutor Todd Fuller QC after a short morning tea break.

Posted 10.28am

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p class=”first”>Accused murderer Gerard Baden-Clay will resume giving evidence today at the Supreme Court in Brisbane, defending claims he murdered his wife.

Under oath last week, the 43-year-old denied killing his wife, Allison, and disposing of her remains in April 2012. The former real estate agent wept in court yesterday as he revealed details of his multiple affairs, saying he never intended to leave his wife and turned to other women when the intimacy in their marriage dried up. Baden-Clay said he began his affairs because he wanted sex but he ultimately desired a long-term future with his wife and their children. The 43-year-old also used a highlighter to demonstrate how twice he cut himself shaving the morning Allison vanished on April 20, 2012. Forensic experts have testified the wounds on his face look like fingernail scratches and the court has also been told Allison’s blood was found in one of the couple’s cars. Baden-Clay has told the court that when he went to sleep on April 19, 2012 Allison was watching TV and when he woke up she was gone. Her body was found on a creek bank at Anstead on April 30, 2012, 10 days after her husband reported her missing. Thanks LJC I have a computer guy coming out today.My computer just shuts down after being on after about 45 minutes

This is LJC2013, standing in for Robbo (whose computer has gone to be with God)… We are hoping he gets back ASAP because I have no skills as an administrator!! I have to go to a doctor’s appointment tomorrow morning (to look after my own mental health… given the torture all AC Teamsters are being put through in that courtroom – haha) but I will hopefully be at the courts by 11:00 and I’ll just beg for a seat. And thus we begin yet another day of drivel, drama and demented dialogue. Get Well Soon, Robbo’s Computer!! 🙂 PS. News just in… They’re opening 3,249 courtrooms to deal with all the public interest. Haha.  

rundown 10am to 12.41pm day 13

rundown 10am to 12.41pm day 13

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398 thoughts on “Gerard Baden-Clay Trial-Day 13

  1. You know… as I read his comments on the stand, it strikes me how much of a human tragedy he is, this whole case is, in every way, for every person entangled in it. He’s up there doing the biggest ‘sell’ of his life… and for what? Greed. He had a beautiful wife, three gorgeous daughters… if only he had a little Gratitude – he would’ve made different choices, being Grateful for all he had rather than being a ‘player’ for all the things he didn’t have.

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  2. All this begging for money, loans from friends, debt, could NOT afford a razor in 6 months, yet he was confident this money would be returned, EVERYTHING would turn around mmm Confident hey…A bigger car, Toni and kids, its all happening by the sounds of it. So much to look ahead to…But….ummmm HOW? the real estate game was ruined by the floods

    Gee imagine a life insurance policy or 2 taking care of all that stuff. But you would have to like somehow read into the future or something. No mention of being a regular Lotto player? No!

    Sounds ridiculous…..Hang on read that again……

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    • Yea he can’t afford to buy razor blades or to pay his phone bill, but Allison’s life insurance is kept up to date…huh???

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    • Not only that, he was listed in 2008 on The Scout Association of Australia Queensland Branch for Oxley Scout Group. Hard to believe he didn’t know of Tyamolum (and Allawah) scout camps, especially considering a large portion of his recent life was spent in the immediate area and his obsession with boasting to whoever would listen about his link to the Baden name and scouting.

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      • Silks do NOT ask questions they do not know the answer to (very much part of trial preparation and crossing witnesses.)

        So all these little answers amid the hundreds asked each day WILL come up again. When he is once again presented with some evidence and reminded he is on oath to answer again. So you committed perjury yesterday didn’t you Mr. Baden-Clay? You lied to the jury didn’t you, deceived them, didn’t you (relentless)
        No….
        NO?
        Can I turn your attention to yesterdays transcript (or statement, sworn correct and true on day ** of 2012.

        Over and over again

        Can that waiter get me….I mean court assistant top up my water please? I am a bit parched old chap! I mean your honour

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        • Yes. So true, Robbo about how he’ll return to what GBC has already said under cross-examination. It’s only Day 1 of CE, so I think that’s why Fuller let him get away with evasive answers today. Fuller’s only just getting started – the next few days will have shouts of “answer the question”!

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          • That probably means that at least all of Wednesday will be taken up with Summing Up and possibly some part of tomorrow.

            It’s wind-up time.

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          • Well that is concerning… The defence gets ample time to go on and on about drivel but the prosecution is told to hurry up??? Not fair IMO. I so hope the prosecution really does get time to go back and hammer him on major contradictions in his statement… One only has to read the other witness statements to see how much he’s lying… I’m wondering why Fuller hasn’t alluded to that with GBC a.

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    • dd- no kidding So true. But he can remember what the weather was like on a certain day in Switzerland 17 years ago and what Allison’s mood was also on that particular day. Crikey!!
      Is he going to claim dementia?

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      • Is he going to claim Dementia? Only IF it is a country founded by his fore-bearers and he gets a piece of the pie and suitable title.
        (GBC does not see things the way WE see them moonraker)

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    • Yes, in his blog from a few years back he lists SCOUTING as one of his interests, yet I seem to remember reading today he said he had no idea where the Kholo bridge was and had not been to the Scouting ground. Again, what BS!! I do not believe this for a millisecond!

      I lived in nearby Karana Downs for 2 months many years ago, and even I knew where Kholo bridge was, and knew of the scouting ground, although I have zero scouting interest.

      Actually after Allison went missing I actually wondered about the large areas along Moggill Rd which I knew from travelling to and from Karana Downs which are quite ‘remote’ and devoid of pedestrian traffic and would be the sort of place a body could be placed that would make it difficult to find. It blew my mind when that is exactly where her body was found eventually.

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  3. LOL the Lexus has a nickname too… “midi”

    —- Gerard: we called our Lexus ‘Midi’, I joked it stood for midlife crisis —-

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  4. Well CP is definitely working him up and making him look like a di*k – but are they nailing him??

    Let’s hope they can return to the real estate blog another time. That will have unsettled GBC regardless.

    Look forward to hearing from the court-goers about the atmosphere in the room.

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  5. I’m impressed with how Fuller is able to get a snarky side out of gbc by making remarks about him losing the business or losing his friends money then jumping back to morning police came to the house then back to the business.. Gbc outright lied about saying he didn’t tell Sue Heath while he was crying on the phone that he would go bankrupt lose everything if he didn’t get the money from Dr Flegg. Jury is seeing/witnessing that the only time gbc becomes upset is mention of failure of his business. To hell about his wife/daughters or anyone else for that matter.

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    • Yes, don’t imagine the sarcasm and derisive snorts of laughter are doing him any favours. If he were innocent and genuinely mourning ABC you’d think his demeanour would be earnest and despairing, especially on her birthday.

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      • Hi Sleepless. Could you see any anger starting to bubble from GBC today or was he calm and collected? And Fuller? How did he deliver today? Loud/quiet/angry? I wish I was in Court to hear “how” things are said, opposed to reading it on Twitter!

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        • Hi daydreamer,
          These are just my impressions but absolutely he was angry today!!!! He did his best to be calm and collected but there were certain lines of questioning he reacted more to than others. May i say i have NEVER seen a person drink so much water. He had 4 cups going at one time and took a sip almost every single question. I found his attitude completely different to the other days. My first impressions when he began talking were that he seemed annoyed to be there, sullen, smug and awfully ignorant! He found alot of things very difficult to understand today, many confused looks and requests to repeat the question or “i dont know what you mean”. At times he spoke out of turn and “corrected” Fuller. He lent back in his chair and exhaled and shrugged his shoulders when Fuller asked him about Carmel Ritchie the counsellor almost like he was saying” do we need to discuss this again”. He seemed very un-impressed when Fuller suggested he and TM could have been the new brady bunch. lol. He fumbled through alot of questions and gave some rediculous explanations for things just as he did yesterday. He appeared nervous most of the day to me

          Fuller was great! Very confident, well spoken, not overly loud but well heard. I wouldn’t have described him as angry, but on point and firm/confident.I did feel he was more punchy in the morning session. It was like rapid fire when he started nailing GBC about he and TM relationship. GBC had no where to go! That i would describe as pure brilliance. Things seemed to go a bit slower this afternoon but i have a feeling there was a reason for that. More to come tomorrow!

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          • Thanks for taking the time to do that, Sleepless – I really appreciate it! 😊

            Lol to the large water consumption and all the other delay tactics GBCemployed while he thought of an answer.

            Are you going again tomorrow? It’ll be interesting to see GBC’s simmering rage become volcanic in the next 2 days!

            Thanks again for an amazing take on today!

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          • Thanks Sleepless! I think they have given the monster a lot of rope, it’s now time to reel him in. I also suspect we will be seeing the gloves come off in coming days. I am holding onto my seat!

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  6. GBC is such a disgusting man!!!! words can’t adequately describe my feelings as I read how he answered those questions. He probably has emotionally abused and manipulated poor Alison for years, and now still thinks he could lie to the whole world! shocking!

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  7. Fuller in his cross strategy has a great deal to do with what the jury will review during deliberation. That is why he is so keen to make statements prior to asking a short question. He is basically taking factual notes for the jury with GBC’s answer attached. Then jury will weigh those with testimony from other witnesses and sort as we have been doing here basically.

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  8. When they were searching for ABC for all those days they described the clothes she was wearing. As i understand these descriptions matched what she was found to be wearing. And that raises the question, how did GBC give the police the description of what she was wearing if he did not see her in the morning? I’ve not heard this discussed.

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      • Yes Moonraker you just reminded me of the jumper – it was several sizes too big for her and more the type one would expect an older more portly woman to own, than Allison…one wonders whose this might have been….??? Really Allison’s??

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    • Hi TBW, my understanding is that GBC claimed this was Allison’s usual morning walking outfit (I think GBC said she had two, and this was one of them) – hence why he was able to describe it accurately. Someone more eagle-eyed may be able to direct you to the relevant police interview/statement.

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      • Elinor-There has always been reluctance to whether Allison even actually walked at all in the mornings. Her girl friends of over 20 years said she did not like walking which is why she bought the tread mill. Depressed people(according to gbc Allison was one) do not get up at dawn to go walking only 2-3 times a week. According to GBC again. And ‘he’ says she never went on the week-end which doesn’t make any sense as that’s usually when people go as one parent is able to stay home with the children. So it’s down to BC clan’s claim only. No neighbours have said they witnessed Allison out walking early in the mornings. The clothes/outfits she had could have been for use on the tread mill.

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        • Totally agree, Moonraker – just filling in TBW re GBC’s explanation. Not the actions of a depressed person (though of course whether she was depressed at all at the time of her disappearance is questionable). Nor is it likely that she’d take to regular walking having acquired a treadmill, the expense of which she’d had to defend to GBC. Add to which she’d just had her hair done and the whole scenario looks very unlikely…

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        • It is clear she would not have walked anywhere THAT morning, having had her hair specially done and having to be up particularly early to attend the fateful conference. But you are right, the walking story does sound a bit suspect anyway.

          And of course that he knew exactly what she had on down to the brand of her undies (if I remember correctly – I do not even know my own!!) once again put this story in the porky pie category, as most are that come out of his mouth.

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        • Would love to know what happened to her PJ’s, Kenmoremum, given she was wearing them on the couch watching TV on the evening of the 19th. If they weren’t at the house then your supposition that they may have had blood and other evidence on them seems very likely. Hope police followed this up?

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        • Yes this is important….if she wore walking clothes (or rather was dressed in walking clothes), where were the PJ’s?? One would think QPS would have researched where which clothes were that were worn the day before. If important no doubt we will find out.

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    • Hi TBW, yes it has been discussed and deemed suspicious. Here’s a man having an affair, concerned about himself, emotionally detached from his wife and he notices what she might have been wearing when walking? I seriously doubt that whether at that point of the relationship he was able to remember if she had two heads or not, let alone her clothes right down to her shoes.

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    • Hi TBW, yes they have been discussed earlier. Allison was wearing Katies XXL 3/4 pants ( approx. size 18-20) can’t remember the top and a creamy coloured jumper large enough to fit her twice, white socks and white joggers with blue on them. Allison was only 72 kg. I have my own suspicions as to why she was dressed in large clothes. 🙂

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        • We must think alike ozfromoz 🙂
          and the top was a purple singlet top with incorporated bra. I had a complete blank earlier, ha,ha old age 🙂

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        • Hi RIP, sorry for the late reply. I was checking a few posts and noticed your post. I think he may have gotten some of Allison’s old clothes from the garbage bags full of old clothes, toys etc that were in the garage waiting for the lady from charity to pick them up. He did say on the stand when asked about the toys in the back of the Captiva that there were garbage bags of stuff. I do not believe he would have used EBC’s clothes with her DNA all over them. cheers

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      • I did wonder why her pants were such a big size if she was only 72kg. GBC also referred to the grey pants as her ‘daggy old ones’ in his initial interview with Sgts Curtis and Jackson. I wondered if they were old maternity clothes or something he dug out? He said she had a new black pair. Why did he choose the old ones to dress her in? Perhaps because they were bigger and easier to get on? Did he try to put the black ones on her, but they were too difficult?

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    • I said the same thing a million posts back ! lol
      The kids said she went walking ” sometimes”. And if its anything like my ‘sometimes’ , it aint every morning i can assure you !
      So there lies the same question – if the last time he saw her was on the lounge watching television that last night , how the hell could he have described her following day attire to the T ???
      Have the kids been asked if they recognised ‘that’ oversized jumper ?
      Where are her pyjamas ?
      Will Fuller throw the forensic questions shortly ? He has to ask about the home greenery in her hair , surely .

      I just wanna know – WHERE IS HER BLOODY PHONE .

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  9. It sounds like FULLER is getting towards the end if he’s only using the old
    “I put it to you that you did it”

    A sign that he doesn’t have much in the war chest.

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  10. Sue Heath, the hapless Bruce Flegg’s assistant, is apparently a very dishonest person. When phoning Gerard to discuss a 300 grand loan, he didn’t start crying because they were discussing the impending failure and bankruptcy of his Rhodesian Real Estate Empire. No, of course not. She asked “How are you?” to Gerard, and he sporadically broke down in tears because no one had ever asked him how he was… What a lying b#tch… No one had ever asked that question before and it started the waterworks…

    —- The accused agreed Ms Susanne Heath phoned him in Dr Flegg’s stead in March, 2012.

    He said Dr Flegg told him he wasn’t able to assist at that time but to contact him again.

    Baden-Clay agreed he pulled Dr Flegg aside at a chamber of commerce meeting and questioned whether he had told others his business was in trouble.

    He agreed he told Dr Flegg he did not want another equity partner in the business.

    Baden-Clay said he did not believe he told Ms Heath he was facing bankruptcy if he could not secure a loan of $300,000 from Dr Flegg.

    He said he did not cry out of a concern for his business facing bankruptcy, but because Ms Heath asked him how he was.

    “She said: ‘How are you?’ and I remember I actually broke into tears at that moment because nobody ever asked me how I was,” he said. —-

    How dare this woman spread malicious untruths about this Great Man… what a liar she is… No one has ever asked Gerard “How are you?” in 42 years… and he was so touched…

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    • A few things:
      1. The pajamas – I have asked this before -apparently looked for her walking clothes but did not look for PJs
      2. Said that he suspected Bruce Flegg had talked about business problems because Jocelyn Frost had said something – she was in the best position to know about the business – GBC was stressed and paranoid.
      3. Charles Tarbey is not being called to verify that he was prepared to give money
      4. Bed was pulled up on his side and untouched on other – said QPS must have done that.
      5. Phone charger on his side – hooked
      Around bedside table and would have to negotiate around the treadmill to get it it but apparently someone else plugged his phone in at 1.40am withou waking him.
      6. Did QPS find his old boxer shorts and runners?

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  11. Kenmore mum, prosecution asked the question I’d asked about last night as to whether GBC is left or right handed. (I noticed he is right handed by the way). Of course GBC has an answer for everything stating he was using his left hand to turn the ratchet screwdriver and it slipped, cutting his right hand… Oh yes, because the light fitting was awkward “insert ridiculous grimace and flailing hand actions here”. I suppose he has had two years to get these answers down pat, hasn’t he!

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    • Bella

      What was your feeling about he he handled the cross today, Just reading the Tweets he seemed to get through the day relatively easily for someone unskilled in the trade.

      This will probably do one of 2 things I suppose. 1. Get cocky or 2. Give him the confidence that he can do it again.

      I’d assume that Mick Byrne would tell him to do the same again.

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      • Just watched the ABC 7pm news about the same thing.

        When asked how he handled himself Leonie MELLOR said “Remarkably well, confident and straight forward”

        It’ll be interesting to see how Todd FULLER (never heard of him) approaches tomorrow.

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          • BR, He didn’t seem that “flustered” to me in the afternoon session, although he did drink lots of H2O, even more than usual. He was smarmy, even cocky towards th PC with statements like “As I’ve said earlier” in a rather disrespectful manner/way I suppose you could say. He as usual, had an answer for everything. I think Tod Fuller is perhaps trying to take him off guard? His questioning on one topic then moving to another, but that’s not really out of the norm. I hope he (Fuller) gets a bit more feistier tomorrow. My opinion of what I saw of him this afternoon is that he wasn’t “flustered ENOUGH” he still answered (albeit condescendingly). I think the jury will make the obvious decision. See you in 15+ GBC

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            • Thanks Bella.

              I know a tactic is to chop and change the line of questioning, but I wonder how much the Jury members are also becoming confused with the tactic, especially if some aren’t quite ‘with it’ to start with (I’m like that after lunch)?

              If they (the Jury) are confused, any ‘certainty’ may get watered down to the Lesser.

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    • The hand injury was not cause by a light fitting, in spite of what he says. I believe it was caused by a fingernail digging into his flesh. And deservedly so.

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  12. Hi everyone, if you want to read this persons opinion about GBC, type this exactly into Google, Robert Menzies Gerard Baden Clay could he be innocent.

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    • What’s the point of reading someone’s uneducated opinion? Most of these ‘I’ve got an opinion’ blogs are written by people who know literally nothing about the court process.

      Read educated/academic pages only, they’re the only ones who can actually give you an educated information.

      And read up on what exactly circumstantial evidence is and how it works:

      “In a circumstantial case, the Crown lacks direct evidence of that kind. This does not mean that a circumstantial case is for that reason weaker than a case based upon direct evidence. Some direct evidence can be of very dubious quality. For example, direct evidence from a witness identifying an accused person as being the offender can be very unreliable because identification evidence can be honest but mistaken.

      A case based on circumstantial evidence may be just as convincing and reliable as a case based upon direct evidence. This will depend upon the number and nature of the basic facts relied upon by the Crown when considered as a whole (not individually or in isolation). And it will depend upon whether all of the evidence leads to an unavoidable conclusion that the Crown has established the guilt of the accused. It is important that you approach a circumstantial case by considering and weighing, as a whole, all the facts you find established by the evidence. It is wrong to consider any particular fact in isolation and ask whether that fact proves the guilt of [the accused], or whether there is any explanation for that particular fact or circumstance which is inconsistent with [the accused’s] guilt.

      The correct approach is first to determine what facts you find established by the evidence. As I have already told you, any particular fact to be taken into account by you does not need to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. You then consider all of those facts together as a whole and ask yourself whether you can conclude from those facts that [the accused] is guilty of the offence charged. If such a conclusion does not reasonably arise, then the Crown’s circumstantial case fails because you are not satisfied of guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Of course, it follows that you must find [the accused] not guilty.

      But if you find that such a conclusion is a reasonable one to draw based upon a combination of those established facts then, before you can convict [the accused], you must determine whether there is any other reasonable conclusion arising from those facts that is inconsistent with the conclusion the Crown says is established. If there is any other reasonable conclusion arising from those facts that is inconsistent with the guilt of [the accused], the circumstantial case fails because you are not satisfied beyond reasonable doubt of [the accused’s] guilt.

      You should understand that drawing a conclusion from one set of established facts to find that another fact is proved involves a logical and rational process of reasoning. You must not base your conclusion upon mere speculation, conjecture or supposition. ”

      Source: http://www.judcom.nsw.gov.au/publications/benchbks/criminal/circumstantial_evidence.html

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      • ace2, why I wanted to show this article is to show the guy who wrote it that he has no idea what he is talking about and how uneducated some people are.

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      • …and the difference between Aussie Criminals and the Blog is what exactly?

        Are you suggesting that we don’t read anything that anyone writes?

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        • The guy who wrote it, Robert Menzies Gerard Baden Clay could he be innocent is trying to make out GBC innocent when he’s clearly guilty.

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          • “I’m being the devil’s advocate here. I think he murdered his wife, just as 99% of the population probably does. But perhaps, just perhaps, he didn’t. He will now spend a ridiculous two years in prison awaiting his trial. His three little girls will now be without a mother and a father. Who pays the price for this if Gerard is found innocent at his murder trial in two year’s time?”

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              • My hubby has said…what if he didn’t do it & he’s spent 2yrs in jail. He believes the same as us that he did it but 2yrs is a long time if he didn’t do it. So I agree…they should be sorted sooner rather than later.

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                • KenmoreMum

                  The net result of long waits in custody is that people will plead to lesser charges just to get it over with.

                  Which the Crown happily accepts (why you may ask…anything to do with ‘evidence’?)

                  So, it’s a sort of a win/win if you don’t mind serving time on a lesser charge that you may not be good for.

                  I’ve read somewhere that the USA with it’s massive Jail pop has something like a 90% ‘Deal’ rate where accused people offer to plead to lesser charges….which the DPP (their version) accepts.

                  Which I guess begs the question, why does the Crown accept the lesser plea if all of the ducks line up?

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        • The difference is we’re posting/reading the all the court documents to give everyone a chance to form an opinion based on the evidence and giving an opinion based on evidence & testimony. This site is brilliant for it, all the evidence docs are her for viewing to form a wiser opinion and learn something.

          The thing that annoys me the most out of that blog link is this stupid ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’-‘ have no direct evidence therefor no case to answer’ mentality by people who know nothing about the law or court process.

          Circumstantial evidence is just as powerful as direct evidence.

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          • The ‘stupid’ Beyond a Reasonable Doubt actually makes up the concluding paragraph in your link (NSW Law Link) when the author talks about the case failing.

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          • ace2, by me showing that article I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinion on wether GBC is guilty because we know he is and why I showed that article is to show how uneducated some people are.

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    • I feel u may have some sort of attachment to the accused murderer. Correct me if im wrong but your posts have led me to this conclusion.
      Who do you believe commited this horrible crime then may i ask?

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      • normalpleb, I don’t have any attachment to GBC, I do believe he is guilty but why I wanted to show everyone that article was to show that person is rather wrong and has no idea what he is talking about.

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        • My apologies in that case. Its the “innocent” word that has appeared in a couple of your post that got me started. He is as far from that as a person can get. I hope he cops the full treatment in the slammer.

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  13. Hi folks, why I wanted to show you the Robert Menzies Gerard Baden Clay could he be innocent article is because the person has no idea what they are talking about and we all know GBC’s is guilty. Which he is.

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          • kenmoremum, if GBC gets off, he will take his daughters away from Allison’s parents and then after a few months they can legally choose to be with him or not.

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            • If you’re the parent of a deceased person who has children in Qld, Qld family law awards the grandparents of those grandchildren just as much right to contact as the parent.

              It’s based on every child has the right to know their kin. Because the Dickies are the only connection left to Alison, they would be granted almost as much contact as a parent.

              Because the Dickie’s have had sole custody of the three girls for two years, they would be re-introduced into the fathers life gradually. I’m sure those girls have regular visits with a child psychologist, depending on what the psychologist recommends, he may never achieve custody of the children.

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              • If that’s the case then presumably the B-C clan have the same ‘rights’ to the kids while they’re with the Dickies which would most likely see them visiting their Dad at R&R.

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                • Yes I remember the girls talking about their nightly ‘debriefing’ ( their word btw) before Dad was arrested. The world doesn’t need 3 more innocent children receiving the BC indoctrination while growing up. Look how that worked out for GBC. ‘Belting his girls using hand signals for discipline in public not wanting them ‘tucked’ in at bedtime; as just a few examples.

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                  • It’d be logical and reasonable KenmoreMum.

                    The clan would visit on a weekly basis and take the kids with them. It’d probably even be encouraged by Q Health at R & R.

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                    • As much as I despise the man I have no doubt that he loves his girls. Must be an awful thing for them though to see their dad there.

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  14. “If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time – a tremendous whack” Winston Churchill (today via Todd Fuller)

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  15. With my future comments, I’ll try to be more neutral and provide factual statements which I have checked carefully.

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    • TCR I think you’re just the same as all of us. Reading or just a thought comes to your head & you throw it out for anyone to have a read. Most of us haven’t been posting factual statements…we usually just say “did anyone read somewhere?…” I’m just a mum with a high school education that doesn’t know any legal speak but is very passionate about Allison’s killer getting what they deserve…

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  16. BR, I didn’t quite get what the judge said to the PC and defence about the jury viewing the children’s 93a’s, was that covered by media at all? I’d be very interested to see them.

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    • Ok, thanks BR. I’d think they were taken shortly after Allison’s disappearance. I’d be quite interested in reading those 😉 from the mouths of babes…

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      • Hi Bella, one lot of video statements taken may have been a day after or a few days after Allison went missing and the other video statement all done by child protection detectives were taken over the Coast the day GBC was arrested (13th June 2012)

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  17. Hi everyone, forgetting about GBC for a short time, if your interested in Australia’s crime statistics and crime rate, go to the Australian Institute Of Criminology website and find the section up on the top of the page that list it’s different sections and click on the Statistics section. I’m not advertising the website or promoting it in any way, I’m showing it out of interest.

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  18. ace2, that link is better then the AIOC website. But still, the AIOC website is good to look at if your interested in finding information on crime preventions, statistics and types.

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  19. Can anyone remember about 2 years ago a thingy off the Internet was posted on here re: Allison, Gerard and a Detective ( I think it may have been a Det that was at GBC’s house the morning of 20th) all being members of the local Scout group. I can remember myself checking it out on the net and it may have been JJE who posted it as he found a lot of info on the Scouts in the early days. I don’t seem to be able to find it on the net again.

    Anyone help ???

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  20. Someone was asking earlier today about the 2 cars seen at Kholo Creek. They were mentioned day 3 of the trial by Brian Mason right at the end of his statement.

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    • Not much made so far of the cars seen at Kholo Creek, voices heard there in the night…???
      Also not of whatever was of keen interest at the Kenmore roundabout…???

      Another thought – has GBC been asked to explain during all the supposed turmoil with his wife ‘missing’ on 20/4, how and why he made time to fit in googling ‘pleading the fifth” quickly too before phoning the police?

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  21. Why was he rushing that morning? He knew he had to get the girls ready and that his youngest had to be dropped to the prep classroom after 8:30. 3 girls could surely almost get themselves ready! No mention of this to my knowledge!

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  22. I know it has been mentioned before somewhere here – but amazing how his tone and sarcasm shoots out – this is within a controlled environment – one where you need to show restraint and respect – today will be interesting on how he answers questions…..

    If this is his behaviour during his trial (the same old example – ‘can’t touch me – I have a hyphenated Baden surname’ imagine how arrogant and what a smart arse we was out in the world??

    Just a pig. McHugh is a pig. Still think another family member is involved…..

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