Gerard Baden-Clay Trial-Day 14


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Gerard Baden-Clay testifies: Live coverage of accused killer’s fourth day in witness box

Gerard Baden-Clay trial: Accused murderer cross-examined for second day

Updated 1pm

Accused wife killer Gerard Baden-Clay has denied smothering his wife Allison and dumping her body under a bridge during a second day of cross-examination at his murder trial.

Baden-Clay has pleaded not guilty to the murder of his wife, Allison Baden-Clay, whose body was found on a creek bank at Anstead in Brisbane’s west in 2012, 10 days after she was reported missing.

Under intense questioning from the prosecution, Baden-Clay told the Supreme Court he would never harm his wife.

Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller suggested to him that he was under significant personal and financial pressure on April 19, 2012, the day his wife Allison was last seen alive.

Mr Fuller: “You killed your wife, Mr Baden-Clay.”

Baden-Clay: “No I did not.”

Mr Fuller: “You killed her, either in or at Brookfield, that night or in the early hours of the morning.”

Baden-Clay: “No I did not.”

Mr Fuller: “You attacked her and the only way that she could respond was to lash out and claw at your face and leave marks upon it.”

Baden-Clay: “That is not true.”

Mr Fuller: “Probably as you smothered her and took her life from her.”

Baden-Clay: “That is not true.”

The former real estate agent, who remained calm under cross-examination, told Mr Fuller he had no idea how he got an injury under his right shoulder, and denied overpowering his wife.

“I never did anything to physically harm my wife in any way, ever, so your supposition to then take it further, to suggest I did other things as well, is absurd and I object to it,” Baden-Clay said.

Mr Fuller continued: “You transported her to Kholo Creek and then dumped her underneath the bridge, unceremoniously.”

Baden-Clay replied: “The suggestion that I would leave my children for any time in the middle of the night is absurd, let alone to do the dastardly things you’re suggesting.”

He confirmed it was his suggestion to put location apps on his and Allison’s phones, but “on the one day I needed it, it failed me”.

The 43-year-old told the court he first heard of his wife’s body being found through the media but was later told officially by police.

The accused was also asked about his affair with Toni McHugh. He told the court that he informed his family about the relationship when he discovered the media was preparing a story.

“I didn’t anticipate that the police were going to inform the media but they did,” Baden-Clay said.

Baden-Clay told the court he had sex with Ms McHugh in the spare room and on a mattress in the lounge room of his Brookfield home.

He said he had told his wife about Ms McHugh’s visits to their home.

Baden-Clay said it did not enter his mind to call Ms McHugh to ask if she had spoken to his wife on April 20, 2012.

Baden-Clay says loyalty was to wife and children

The Crown began its cross-examination of Baden-Clay yesterday.

Mr Fuller suggested that scratches on the accused’s face in the days after Allison’s disappearance were not from shaving as Baden-Clay has insisted.

“I suggest to you what you did to your face wasn’t a shaving injury, that they were scratches by your wife’s fingernails at a time when she was struggling with you,” Mr Fuller said.

Baden-Clay replied: “No, that’s completely false.”

The former real estate agent also told the court he had tried several times to break off the relationship with Ms McHugh, who he said became more demanding as time went on.

Baden-Clay said Ms McHugh wanted him to get a divorce. He said he told her no, adding that his loyalty was to his wife and children.

He told the court he was concerned about the impact on his business if he broke the relationship off with Ms McHugh permanently.

Baden-Clay has now been stood down from the witness stand on his fourth day of giving evidence.

Further defence witnesses are being called.

10:22am: The 14th day of the trial is under way in Court 11.The trial is now being live streamed to two other court rooms, including the Banco Court, which seats 147 people.The Banco Court, which is usually reserved for ceremonial occasions, was filled with curious court watchers yesterday.
10:22am: Gerard Baden-Clay has returned to the witness box to be cross-examined by Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC.Mr Baden-Clay weathered more than three hours of intense questioning by Mr Fuller yesterday.The former real estate agent is dressed in a dark suit with a blue tie and glasses.

10:22am: Mr Fuller has turned his questioning to Mr Baden-Clay’s affair with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh.

“When did you tell your family of the affair?” Mr Fuller asked.

“When I was informed by someone in the media that they were going to be letting everybody know about it,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.

“I didn’t anticipate that the police were going to inform the media [about the affair] but they did.”

10:34am: Mr Fuller has asked Mr Baden-Clay why he chose to drive his wife’s Holden Captiva to search for her on the morning she disappeared.The HoldenCaptiva was parked in the car port that morning.Mr Baden-Clay’s white Toyota Prado was parked in the drive way in front of the car port.“You would have had to reverse it [the Captiva] out around the Prado and down the driveway?” Mr Fuller asked.“Yes. That was perfectly normal,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.”There wasn’t significant damage to the Prado?” Mr Fuller said.

“No. Someone side-swiped me,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

“And when had that occurred?” Mr Fuller asked.

“On the Monday,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.

“So you’d been driving the vehicle on the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,” Mr Fuller said.

“Yes,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

The court has previously heard Mr Baden-Clay had been involved in a minor car accident on the Monday morning.

“There was nothing to stop you taking the Prado?” Mr Fuller said.

“There was nothing to stop me taking the Prado with me, that’s correct,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

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Allison Baden-Clay's car when it was examined by forensic experts.

Allison Baden-Clay’s car when it was examined by forensic experts. Photo: Court Exhibit

10:38am: Mr Fuller has asked Mr Baden-Clay why he phoned his own friends – Stuart Christ, Robert Cheesman and Peter Cranna – before phoning his wife‘s parents and friends on the morning she disappeared.

Mr Baden-Clay said he could not recall his “thought process” that morning.

However he said he phoned Mr Cheesman because his house was about to hit the market that day.

“So that was about managing your business, effectively,” Mr Fuller said.

“I was concerned about my wife but I also had my family and my business to worry about as well,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.

Under the Kholo Creek bridge.

Under the Kholo Creek bridge. Photo: Court Exhibit

10:45am: “When did you first become aware that Allison had been found?” Mr Fuller asked.

Mr Baden-Clay said he was at his Taringa real estate office when news emerged that a body had been found under Kholo Creek bridge.

He said he phoned his lawyer Darren Mahony upon hearing the news.

Mr Baden-Clay then travelled to Brisbane’s CBD where he met Mr Mahony and barrister Peter Davis.

“On the 30th of April we were at the office and a media came through somehow I don’t recall how I then went, I think I may have called Darren, I must have spoken to Darren and asked if he knew anything, because the police had been liaising with him as well,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

“He recommended that we meet together in the city and the police came and informed us at Peter Davis’s chambers.”

“The police told you that a body had been found,” Mr Fuller said.

“And they confirmed it was Allison,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

“I remember being physically shocked by that.”

“They didn’t tell you it was likely to be Allison or possible it could be Allison, they told you it was Allison,” Mr Fuller said.

“Correct,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

10:54am: Mr Fuller: “What was the loss to you [financially] if you and Allison had separated?”

Mr Baden-Clay: “You’re asking a lot of hypothetical questions that I’ve never really explored in detail myself so I’m not sure I can really answer that. Honestly, I can’t answer that.”

Mr Fuller: “There would have been financial consequences to you if you left your wife.”

Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes … If Allison and I had determined we were going to divorce … I don’t know how that would have played out, I honestly don’t know.”

Gerard Baden-Clay's former mistress Toni McHugh.

Gerard Baden-Clay’s former mistress Toni McHugh. Photo: Supplied

11:04am: Mr Fuller has turned his questioning again to the night of April 19, 2012.

Mr Baden-Clay’s long-time mistress Toni McHugh was due to come face-to-face with Mrs Baden-Clay at a real estate conference the following day.

Mr Fuller: “You’re double life would be exposed.”

Mr Baden-Clay: “No.”

Mr Fuller: “The facade that was Gerard Baden-Clay would fall wouldn’t it?”

Mr Baden-Clay: “If what, sorry?”

Mr Fuller: “If Toni McHugh confronted Allison at the conference.”

Mr Baden-Clay: “It never entered my head that that was a concern.”

Police photograph of marks on Gerard Baden-Clay's face.

Police photograph of marks on Gerard Baden-Clay’s face. Photo: Court Exhibit

11:20am: Mr Fuller: “You killed your wife, Mr Baden-Clay.”

Mr Baden-Clay: “No, I did not.”

The prosecutor put to Mr Baden-Clay that he had attacked his wife and the “only way” she could respond was to “lash out and claw his face”.

“That is not true,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.

Mr Fuller: “Probably as you smothered her and took her life from her.”

Mr Baden-Clay: “That is not true. I never did anything to physically harm my wife in any way, ever.”

11:25am: Mr Fuller suggested Mr Baden-Clay dragged his wife’s body to the boot of her Holden Captiva and then drove to Kholo Creek at Anstead where he dumped her body “unceremoniously” to “hurry back” to his sleeping children in the middle of the night.

“The suggestion that I would leave my children for any time, in the middle of the night, is absurd, let alone do the dastardly things you’re suggesting,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.

Allison Baden-Clay's body was discovered under the Kholo Creek bridge.

Allison Baden-Clay’s body was discovered under the Kholo Creek bridge. Photo: Court Exhibit

11:27am: Mr Fuller then suggested the deed was done by 1.48am on April 20, 2012, when Mr Baden-Clay’s iPhone was connected to his bedside charger.

Mr Baden-Clay denied that.

The 43-year-old also denied covering his “tracks” by putting boxes of toys into his wife’s Captiva and shaving to create cuts along the bottom edges of the scratches on his face.

Mr Fuller suggested Mr Baden-Clay was “pretending” when he told police he was worried about his wife’s whereabouts.

“I was a concerned husband and I am a very concerned father … it’s not a facade,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

Mr Fuller concluded his cross-examination.

Police photograph of toys in the boot of Allison Baden-Clay's car.

Police photograph of toys in the boot of Allison Baden-Clay’s car. Photo: Court Exhibit

11:28am: Mr Baden-Clay has been briefly re-examined by his defence barrister Michael Byrne QC to clarify points raised in the cross-examination.

Mr Baden-Clay has been excused from the witness box.

The court has adjourned for a short morning tea break.

11:56am: Court has resumed.

The defence team has called its first witness.

Ashton Ward has been called to the witness box. Mr Ward is the director of a Brisbane company called Khemistry which specialises in producing time lapse videos.

11:59am: The time lapse video showing the tides of Kholo Creek at Anstead has been played for the second time for the court.

The video was first shown to the jury during the opening address of defence counsel Michael Byrne QC.

Mr Ward has been excused.

Kholo Creek.

Kholo Creek. Photo: Court Exhibit

12:05pm: Forensic toxicologist Dr Michael Robertson has been called to the witness box.

Dr Robertson has been a toxicologist for the past two decades and practicing as a forensic toxicologist for the majority of that time.

He reviewed the results of a post-mortem examination conducted on Mrs Baden-Clay’s body.

“I did a file review on the documents I was provided and prepared a report based on that information,” he said.

Allison Baden-Clay had been prescribed the anti-depressant Zoloft.

Allison Baden-Clay had been prescribed the anti-depressant Zoloft. Photo: Andrew Meares

12:22pm: Mr Byrne asked Dr Robertson to comment on the adverse affects of the anti-depressent drug Zoloft of which the active component in the Serotonin.

Dr Robertson said elevated levels of Serotonin could cause “Seratonin toxicity” or “Serotonin syndrome” in patients.

“When you get too much of this drug you can get cases of more profound confusion, increased agitation, unusual behaviours … elevated temperatures,” he said.

Dr Robertson said the drug could promote “suicide ideation” in people using the medication.

12:39pm: Dr Robertson has been cross-examined by Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC.

Mr Fuller suggested the levels of the drug Sertraline, sold as Zoloft, found in Mrs Baden-Clay’s body did not cause her death.

“I can’t necessarily agree with that completely,” Dr Roberston said.

He said there could be various explanations for the elevated levels of Sertraline found in Mrs Baden-Clay’s decomposing body.

“Whether they indirectly had involvement, I don’t know,” Dr Robertson said.

Mr Fuller said the levels of Sertraline in Mrs Baden-Clay’s body was not consistent with levels typically reported in Sertraline-related deaths.

“Correct,” Dr Robertson said.

Dr Robertson has been excused.

12:44pm: Psychiatrist Dr Mark Schramm has been called to the witness box.

He reviewed Mrs Baden-Clay’s medical records upon the request of the defence team. Dr Schramm chiefly works within the Queensland prison system but also has a private practice at Toowong.

His report was reviewed by Professor Diego De Leo, a suicidologist, based at Griffith University.

12:53pm: Defence counsel Michael Byrne QC has asked Dr Schramm to comment on the nature of suicide.

Dr Schramm said more than half of people who committed suicide did not leave a note.

He recalled a well-respected study on suicide which he said found that “most people who took their lives did not leave a suicide note”.

“One-tenth to one-third do not leave notes,” Dr Schramm said.

Mr Baden-Clay has repeatedly pointed to his wife’s history with depression to suggest she took her own life.

Anyone needing support can contact Lifeline on 131 114 or Mensline on 1300 789 978.

12:56pm: Mr Byrne asked Dr Schramm to comment how often suicide was “unexpected”.

“It’s not uncommon that suicide, unfortunately, is a surprise,” Dr Schramm said.

“It is also the case that very often, and unfortunately, suicide is a surprise and that even in retrospect it has been impossible to predict.”

12:59pm: Dr Schramm has been cross-examined by Crown prosecutor Danny Boyle.

He conceded a woman’s “maternal instinct” would be considered a factor that would prevent suicide.

He also conceded a person making “short and long term plans for the future” would also  be considered a prevention factor.

Mr Boyle asked Dr Schramm about suicide in people who had been proactive in seeking help for depression and anxiety.

“Allison seemed to be a person who put her hand up and sought help,” Dr Schramm said.

1:08pm: “She suffered from major depression which is a major risk factor for suicide,” Dr Schramm added.

“One could imagine that the stress associated with the problems in the marriage could have contributed to thoughts of suicide.”

Anyone needing support can contact Lifeline on 131 114 or Mensline on 1300 789 978.

1:14pm: Dr Schramm has been excused.

That ends the defence case.

1:17pm: The jury has been excused to return on Monday when the prosecution and defence lawyers will make their closing address.

“I look forward to seeing you next at 10am on Monday,” Justice John Byrne said to the jury.

Defence counsel Michael Byrne QC will be required to deliver his closing address to the jury first on Monday because Mr Baden-Clay elected to adduce evidence and step into the witness box.

1:43pm Wrap: So far today …

  • Mr Baden-Clay repeatedly but calmly denied killing his wife and dumping her body at Kholo Creek.
  • The court heard from psychiatrist Dr Mark Schramm, who spoke about the unexpected nature of suicides, even in people suffering major depression.
  • The court also heard from forensic toxicologist Michael Robertson, who spoke of the effects of Serotonin Syndrome in people taking the anti-depressant Zoloft.
  • The defence closed its case.
  • Both parties will deliver their closing addresses to the jury on Monday.

1:46pm: Court has adjourned, bringing the fourth week of the trial to an end.

443 thoughts on “Gerard Baden-Clay Trial-Day 14

  1. The prosecution will nail this down from the start today surely. I hope there are a few king hits left in them. It would be great if he could get the maggot to start bawling and blurt out a confession. Wishful thinking i know.

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  2. Here’s my crowd time lapse taken yesterday morning 1200 frames taken over 30 mins.

    Take note defence, this is how you make a time lapse not in semi darkness – clean the images up first. (In reference to their creek time lapse which is very poorly constructed) .

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  3. Here’s an idea to stretch a few imaginations while we wait this morning. I’ll be on US talk-back radio this coming weekend in relation to a particular crime that I worked on. It’s a follow up to a CNN program showing in the US tonight.

    Would be a good idea to do something here in Aus along those lines. Any budding radio jocks here? Or even you Robbo… All you need these days is a computer. 😉

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  4. GBC’S personality traits, arrogant, jealous, callous, cold, manipulative, controlling, egotistical, attention seeker, promiscuous, selfish and psychopathic. I have made those views by what I have heard and seen.

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    • The Father-in-law of one of my sisters married a Sociopath after his first wife passed away, and it took the family some time to discover her personality disorder, but once it was apparent to them, and they began taking and comparing notes about her differing statements to different parties, and checked them against any documented records available, it became apparent that everything she said was a lie, and even in circumstances where the truth would have been quite acceptable to state, she would instead add some element to it that made it a lie.

      Reading GBC’s Testimony is so similar, Every thing he said in the past to everybody he was dealing with was a lie, and everything he is saying in the Witness Box now is a lie.

      I am certain that the Jury will have accepted what Fuller has shown them about GBC’s whole life being a lie, and that his testimony cannot be relied upon.

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      • I can relate Dan . Survived 10 court cases myself with a psycopath .
        I know so much about thier behaviours now .
        Born without compassion , or conscience.
        Wholeheartedly believe every thought process they have.
        An amazing new book that was suggested to me , on this particular subject , is called A Girls Guide To Predators . Such a brilliant book , a couple of my medicos at the time , now have it in thier surgerys for referral .
        Very informative , for everybody .

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  5. OMG!! I’ve just had a thought…what if it was him & Olivia that got rid of her in the morning & Nige stayed at the house!! They keep coming back to that…took the Captiva coz his car had been in an accident. Didn’t stop him driving it later in the week

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    • Good points, km. He was too quick to call the insurance company about Allison’s policy – where’s the call to the insurance company about the Prado prang? Oops! How could I forget? There was no walk, so there was no Prado prang. Just like there wasn’t a lot of other things.

      One way or another, EBC, NBC and OW are complicit in this.

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      • The problem is that apparently nobody ever asked him about the Prado and Insurance claim on it…..so, we’ll never know.

        But, it would have been a good question which they might have known which explains why it’s never been brought up.

        If he’d reported it straight away to his Insurer it’d back up the other Insurance claim.

        I’ve got a feeling they would have known and chose not to ask.

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        • Hey everybody I have been reading for ever but again thought that I would just stay out of it until I had this thought;

          So let’s say you are in an area at an unusual time day for whatever reason… (Jogging, walking, on your way to work, on your way home from work or whatever) say the near the creek where Allison was found, and you notice a white Prado drive past… no big deal right? you’re not going to check a number plate or anything because it’s just a car. BUT if you see a white Prado with some obvious damage to the front end, that’s going to stick in your mind because it goes from being any white Prado to the White Prado with the damage.
          So I think that this was the GBC way of making it just another Silver Captiva if he was seen by chance.

          All respect to Dan that posted about GBC giving Alison a final gesture of respect by using her car at the end but he never gave her any respect in life when she wanted it so I don’t think he would bother once she’s not conscious of it.

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    • GBC’s phone was pinging off towers in the opposite direction KM – he was in Chapel Hill, which is where I reckon Allison’s phone is and did a locator on it at one stage, but no-one was interested.

      He wasn’t driving the streets of Brookvale looking for her. I tracked his phone that morning He was sitting in the school yard at Chapel Hill Primary School when he sent one of the texts. IMO he was actually in hiding, so he didn’t have to talk to Nigel and Olivia.

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  6. I feel myself comparing gbc to a cockroach that he been hit with a thong and now trying to find shelter under anything. All he needs now is one more good slap and he’s splattered all over the courtroom floor. Then we can wipe him up and flush him down the toilet where he belongs.

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  7. Many people ask, ‘What causes someone to become a psychopath, the answer to that is it’s environmental, might be partially genetic, and possibly biochemical in men, such as High testosterone, low cortisol and low serotonin levels mixed together, although High testosterone on it’s own doesn’t cause psychopathy, since many psychopathic men have normal testosterone levels and some have low testosterone levels. In women who are psychopaths, it’s more environmental and can be partially genetic but rarely biochemical.

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      • Thrust and parry – that’s the name of the game. Prosecutor thrusts and then defence puts on the salve – only the bandaid won’t stick ’cause jury has already heard the words – imprinted on the inside of their skulls, hopefully.

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      • Hi KenmoreMum

        It’s always….
        1. Evidence In Chief (buy whoever calls you…Crown or Defence.
        2. Cross Examination…..by the other side.
        3. Re-Examination…. by whoever called you to clarify statements made during the Cross. New evidence can’t be led during the Re-examination, it’s only to clarify vague or ambiguous points already made.

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            • Hi KenmoreMum

              In my opinion it went fairly much to the norm. If there was ever going to be any monumental questions they would have come out first to get him off guard and tripping himself over later on.

              Then (as is the norm) the questions just become less and less probing and just become the “I put it to you that you did it” type, which of course just gets a “No, I didn’t”

              Then the Prosecutor will look towards his table to see if the underlings have got anything better…..they’ll all look at each other before looking away…..and then it’s over.

              Mick Byrne would have known this because he would have had the complete Police ‘Brief’ for some months.

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  8. Fear not… He is a documented liar. He has sworn that he lies and deceives people, including family and friends to “get out of situations”

    He has claimed his business wasn’t sinking, despite the abundance of evidence…

    He has contradicted multiple other witnesses.

    This man will be going down… the prosecution got just what they needed the jury to see; an evasive, snarky, arrogant, selfish, hypocritcal, heartless liar…

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  9. Does the Prosecution get Rebuttal time? So after the Defence has rested (no more witness to call), the Prosecution gets to call witnesses again (but only) to counter thing the Defence has brought up?
    I know that’s how it works in the US court – is it the same here?

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  10. Lets face it… GBC is never going to fess up. Never. He will lie, lie and lie. Next blame others, blame anything and anyone he can. Then he will lie, lie and lie again. He lives in parrallel universe remember… nothing will snap this man out of it.

    Let me clarify 🙂

    What the jury need to see is his ‘ummming; and ‘aaarghing’, his snarky atttitide, his arrogance, his self-regard and most of importantly of all, the disgraceful way he treated ABC and the lies he spins. This is what the prosecution have done. As Mountain Misst mentioned, Byrne is rushing out the box of bandaids to take the edge off some off the more callous, poignant, blunt statements GBC has made in the witness stand.

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    • That’s true, jje. Thankfully, the Prosecution knew he wouldn’t fess up, so it was a clever game-plan they used.

      Still can’t help but feel numb, though! Can’t wait to hear from those in Court today whether GBC remained arrogant or started to crack body-language wise.

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      • Please don’t feel numb. It will come down to whether the jury believes his testimony or the host of other witnesses who have said otherwise.. This man has openly admitted to being a serial liar under oath! He treated ABC with total disrespect, and in all truth, he treated Toni with utter disrespect too, then and now, by basically brushing it all off as a lie and even insinuating her “volatile” nature may have had something to do with it..

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    • I agree GBC will not confess. I would have liked to see (read via twitter, which I know is hardly adequate to being at the court) that GBC owned more of his statements. Perhaps that did happen in court.
      For eg: telling TM he loved her and would leave Allison – GBC (seemed) to answer that every time with a caveat – ‘but I didn’t mean it/I lied’. Now sure he is admitting he lied. I just would have liked Fuller to stop allowing the caveats on everything and make him own outright – ‘You told TM you loved her, yes or no.’ ‘You told her this/that…yes or no.’ Without the constant ‘but—‘ GBC tacks on.

      I was heartened when Fuller was grilling him over calling the Christs that Allison was missing – with GBC first saying it was because of the sleepover. Fuller then saying – but he (GBC) expected Allison to come home? And GBC then admitting (using the excuse) that Allison might be in the hospital. Fuller: so he was planning ahead that Allison may not come home. This was great I thought, it showing his actions (planning ahead for Allison not returning) belied all his talk that he ‘anticipated’ her to turn up any moment.

      I’ll trust the judgement of those who were in court that it did go well.

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      • I was expecting more of the same too, applejack.

        Like earlier this morning when discussing the business being in trouble and GBC answered with “You’ve done the Maths”. I wouldn’t have been so controlled as Fuller to let this slip. I would’ve shot back “I didn’t ask if I’d done the Maths” etc.

        And yesterday when GBC replied with “I’m not a botanist”. I get a thrill calling people out like that! Lol.

        Oh well. That’s why I’m not a Prosecutor! Hee hee!

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      • Oh just imagine this!! His wife is ‘tragically’ missing, instead of frantically searching for her, he tidies his house, makes his bed without noticing if the other side had been slept in, moves a portrait of him and his wife which had significance for her, set out teacups for expected visitors, dresses in a suit and cuff links, prepares to send his traumatised children to school so the school can deal with the problem while he phones/texts all his family members and friends, googles ‘pleading the fifth”, calls the police, asks his father to remove a vacuum cleaner and hose from under the house (nearly forgot!), then turns his attention to seeing a lawyer….huh…??? Oh and in the end he fits in calling the missing wife’s parents…in case they are interested…..What the…???!!!!

        He claims he did not care about Toni, wanted to be rid of her and lied to all & sundry about loving her, yet he claims to be worried about her mental health.
        His claims to care about his wife but he treats her like a piece of trash and cheats on her behind every bush he can find.
        Has he any idea what all the c@#% he is talking sounds like???

        I would have thought having had 2 years to get his ducks in a row and his story straight, he would do better than this!!!!!!!!! But it’s good – it is necessary that he is exposed for the evil monster that he is – ditto for accomplices.

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  11. So the Crown has finished… I’m concerned they have proven beyond doubt that GBC is a terrible husband, a liar, an adulterer ….sure he’s all that, but is he a murderer? Why can’t the jury now think, yes he’s all those things… but so are lots of people and they aren’t necessarily murderers. The question is, have they actually proven beyond reasonable doubt, that he did the deed?

    Curious to hear the Crown’s summary and address to the jury… does it not come down to the jury’s personal commitment to their decision? I don’t know, it seemed the harder Fuller went, the more determined and clearer GBC became – the more sassy his answers were.

    Let’s hope it’s all been enough…

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    • lots of people may be “liars”, but do their wives go “missing” with large insurance payouts, failing businessses and tangled, deceptive relationships… with blood in car, folliage in the hair, abrasions to the face…

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      • Thanks, jje. Numbness is beginning to fade 😊 I cheered up when you just mentioned the blood in the car – they got him admitting he drove the Captiva that morning, hence (in a round-about-way) proving pretty much beyond reasonable doubt that he drove the car with Allison’s body in it to her final resting place.

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      • Not usually JJE… but does it all lead beyond reasonable doubt to him murdering his wife? Let’s hope the jury thinks so.

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      • Yes JJE, especially considering too that in spite of not being able to pay his phone bill (or buy razors, if one believes the old razor story), Allison’s insurance was kept up to date!

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    • Hello again MsMolly

      That’s the general gist of it. A “Cad” through and through.

      That’s why I thought the selection of the Jury was interesting.

      Mostly in the 40’s and 50’s who’d be in that mid life crisis zone to some extent or another and have their own take on it.

      I can’t remember who on here but someone was talking about how many people they know of that vintage who have left spouses for no good reason other than a fling.

      ….and then we’ve got the “white lies” around the marriage. I hate to admit it but I’d imagine those 7 blokes on the Jury are struggling with that one. (maybe some women also)

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      • Hello BR,

        I agree. It’s interesting the jury is of that ilk – and yes there are elements of his testimony that both men and women can relate to, and the defence have been mindful to play those elements out. It’s an easier one to defend. I was hoping for some fireworks from the prosecution but maybe that only happens in the movies. It’s interesting – the process leading to this point on the stand… the initial police focus, the circumstantial evidence, the lies, the messy affairs… there’s a lot of noise – distraction. It’s a human story, but is it murder? The coroner can’t even say how she died. By nature he is very convincing, and that is exactly why he is on the stand. He is his best chance at this point.

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          • Hi BR

            I’ve been reading your comments for a whirl now and still can’t believe you don’t think GBC killed his wife. Answer me this: how did his wife’s blood, a lot of it, get into the back of her 8 week old car.i don’t know about you, but how often does a person sit in the back of their own car? Not to mention the boot. If you think GBC didn’t do it, then you have to believe someone else did it and killed her at her house (botany) and transported her to Kholo Creek. Toni isn’t a big woman; Allison was bigger. Your theory just doesn’t make sense, and that’s definitely beyond a reasonable doubt.

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            • Just an interested observer MsMolly and it is nice swapping ideas with people in a calm and rational manner.

              Hello I Candy

              I think everyday I’ve been asked this very question and every day I give the same response.

              I think he killed her.

              Just didn’t Murder her.

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              • I think he brought up that Toni would be at the conference and that’s when it all happened. I do think he had started to plan the murder though as he had googled the fifth etc. why else would you google that?

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                • I’m with you iCandy… I think the plan was in the works, it just wasn’t meant to happen that night and she wasn’t meant to scratch him. If he smothered her, as per the prosecution theory, that’s Murder through and through. I think all the post-offense subterfuge is definitely indicative of planning and consciousness of guilt (not that he’s capable of feeling guilt)!!

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                  • Absolutely. He started the process but Toni forced him to bring it up that night and he killed her in the yard or the carport or pergola area. By then he actually hated her. I also believe he drove to his dads with her body in the car and they disposed of it. Note the mumbled voices were never gendered. Men speak lower; women high pitched when stressed. Only low pitched voices.

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                    • I agree iCandy, I too have a strong suspicion that he had assistance with the disposal, and possibly even with house cleaning & tidying. To prove that would have been more difficult, so we may have to let karma run its course for his accomplice/s.

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    • Share your concerns, MsMolly and Applejack. Let’s hope the jury are convinced and feel they can meet the legal requirements to convict on murder.

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    • Hi Applejack,

      Sorry, but I think he knew all along about her journal – in fact, didn’t he draw a diagram of TMcH’s unit at Allison’s request? (I might be wrong, but I thought I read that in the news). Point being, I think he knew about it and wanted it discovered as it played a part in his defence… that she was depressed and anxious. He wanted that to be found in my opinion. …. I’ll have to stop reading all this … I have to do some work!! 🙂

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      • Ah, you’re right. He did draw in it. Hmmmm, you may be correct he thought it would bolster his defence – which means he knew everything she’d written it. I doubt Allison would have given it to him to read, so he was either reading it behind her back, or he read it all after he killed her (which I doubt he had the time to do) and decided then to leave it to be found.

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      • He knew about it but I thought I read that the police found it under her bedside table…hidden it sounds like to me. I could be wrong. That wouldn’t have even crossed his mind I don’t think.

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  12. GBC is unlikely to ever admit to killing Allison,one day his daughters will ask him,’ Dad did you kill mum?, and he will say ‘ No I did not! He may admit it on his deathbed though.

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  13. Hmmm, hate to say it but Fuller’s overall performance is sounding (based on tweets) like it ended with a whimper rather than a bang! Gee I hope I am reading this wrong and that Fuller hasn’t dropped the ball. Surely it is simple a case of “explain why your story on so many matters differs from others and why they have sated under oath what they have.

    I mean this boofhead (GBC) is really wanting us to believe the entire army is out of step with him!

    Sounds like summing up tomorrow and jury to retire. Decision on Monday?

    Sorry that was very feeble.

    GUILTY – GUILTY – GUILTY decisions on Monday.

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    • Not a whimper at all in my opinion. And I’m here. Fuller was calm and controlled by very assertive and accusatory as the undertones. Gerard’s response didn’t wow me. My gut tells me it’s not looking promising for acquittal.

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      • Really pleased to hear that. Amazing how the written word just lacks oopmh! Whereas the visual and auditory five you a peep into the body language.

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        • My notes are really hurriedly written from today but I’ll upload them shortly when I get home. I was more just writing like the clappers to get it down. It was quite fast-paced!!!

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  14. Defence just had a specialist in time-lapse footage…. achieved absolutely nothing, as prosecution pointed out.

    Now they have got a medical specialist, Dr Michael Robertson, basically covering old ground and getting no where. Even the judge is interjecting and asking the relevance of some of his testimony…

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  15. Geez the defence are still flogging the old, dead horse; the Allison killed herself theory. It’s desperation on their part. Pathetic is a better word.

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    • No..it will happen much earlier than that only we won’t know. Big Bubba will get the truth one cold, cold winter’s morning as he slinks into the GBC bunk for some emotional warmth.

      Go the Bubba!

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        • With an ensuite?!?! BR are you serious? They need me designing prisons when I’m an architect. I’d be taking away their freakin ensuites.

          (Sorry, emotional response, not based on fact :P)

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          • Well sort of LJC.

            All (at least High Security) cells are single occupancy with their own toilet and shower.

            As they progress through the system they’ll wind up in share type accommodation which is a Unit of 6…..single bedrooms (they keep the key), kitchenette, lounge and telly/stereo etc and common bathroom. A bit like a Caravan Park I spose. Outside will be a couple of tennis courts, BBQ’s, seating etc….no cage over head, but still a big fence.

            Then onto a Farm, again single rooms (with own key), tennis, Pool Hall, gym, Library/computers. Own cooks and cleaners appointed in a communal dining room for about 25 per block….commercial grade kitchen. ‘Jobs’ will be anything related to the farm or admin……no fences other than stock fences.

            The 2 biggest farms are in the Numinbah Valley (Womens) and over the mountain at Palen Creek in the shadow of Mount Lindesay and the Border Ranges National Park.

            Anyone who looks like playing up will get ‘bumped’ back to the Big House.

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  16. What an error for the defence; the prosecution are blasting holes in the suicide-Zoloft theory with a full broadside, it looks even more ridiculous and pathetic than it did previously… just patently absurd. This ship is sinking faster than RMS Cen21 Westside…

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  17. —- Dr Robertson agrees the levels in Allison’s body are not consistent with Sertraline related deaths. Dr Robertson says Allison’s stomach contents were inconsistent with ingesting significant quantity of Sertraline before death.—-

    I need to clarify. Don’t forget, this man is actually a defence witness… hahaha

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    • What it’s actually achieving is showing the Jury that Medical evidence generally can’t be totally relied on.

      What the Defence loses, the Crown also loses.

      He’s destroying some of his own evidence.

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        • Any medical evidence that the Crown is relying on.

          He’s basically leading him to say that any possibility exists under varying conditions. Great if you want to destroy the other sides evidence, but if you need to rely on similar evidence you shoot yourself in the foot.

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          • So are you asserting that the facial abriasions, for example, are now “destroyed” and discredited because they proved that the Zoloft overdose theory is ridiculous ?? I really don’t see your point about “any medical evidence” being destroyed…

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            • No, I’d call the scratches “Physical evidence”. “Medical” if they’d dug out some DNA from her fingernails.

              Mainly the drug evidence and Psych evidence.

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              • The blood in Sparky, the Captiva. Is that medical or physical ? Is that “destroyed” too? Please clarify this with a candid response.

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                • The blood is both. Physical because it was there and Medical because it’s been found to be Allisons.

                  My comment related to the similar evidence he was questioning….the Drugs and their effects. Some of that evidence might be better than other bits, but he’s basically dragging out that there’s a whole lot of variables.

                  Which will be an issue if he then needs to rely on some of it.

                  The Jury is just hearing that “medical evidence” can be a bit flaky.

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                  • not sure about that …can be degrees of reliability & validity … 75% or 85% or 95%+ reliability … just like paternity and dna tests. what is most likely? as opposed to what is least likely? … etc

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  18. If the GBC’s defence were smarter, they would be working on the mystery killer theory, not the suicide theory, if Allison did commit suicide, there would be visible injury’s on her body if she fell or jumped off the bridge, also when I read a Courier Mail news article, they said Allison’s body was positioned with her arm’s back like someone had dragged her.GBC’s defence are wasting there time with that pathetic argument.

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      • The Shadow, I read something quite amusing on this website about what someone said happened to Allison, they said she went out walking and was abducted by a UFO and then killed by the aliens, and I thought to myself, ‘I really don’t think so!

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        • Pretty quick to decide on the negative there TCR, 🙂

          Better hope that BR doesn’t take you to task. After all, why were all the dogs barking and howling?

          I’m actually hoping for them to return to Arthur Gorrie after the verdict for a “beam me up” on GBC and then a gang probe on same with force!

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    • That’s addressed in the Govt Pathologists Autopsy Report when it gets around to “Cause of Death” (Undetermined)

      IT specifically says that drowning can’t be excluded, a fall from the bridge can’t be excluded and an overdose can’t be excluded.

      AND…..a combination of all of those things can’t be excluded.

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      • My hazy recollection of my legal books from past centuries ago suggest that used in this context it merely means that 100% certainty cannot be established, Equally beyond reasonable doubt doesn’t require 100% certainty.

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        • Exactly. So interesting, because it all comes down to a subjective term!! “Reasonable” – GBC thinks it’s reasonable to get up under oath and admit he’s a liar and still expect everyone to believe what he chooses them to believe. A “reasonable person” – how is that defined? What I think is reasonable may be unreasonable to someone else.

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          • If you’re keen enough JayKay you could Google “Reasonable Man Test” which defines it.

            In a nutshell, it’s what a “Reasonable Man” with reasonable experience could make of something under reasonable conditions.

            Is that reasonable? 🙂

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            • Well here’s a “Reasonable WoMan” with reasonable experience and what I can make of this case under reasonable conditions and with reasonable certainty is that GBC is a sociopathic self-serving liar who killed his wife and robbed his 3 young girls of their very loving mother. Disgusting. He lies non-stop, about what really happened and about stuff he does not even have reason to lie about. His whole life is a lie. There are no extenuating circumstances. No justification whatsoever for what he did. I will be more than reasonably happy to help subsidise his keep behind thick iron bars for the rest of his natural life, for the pain and loss he has caused his own children and Allison’s family. Society can do without the likes of him.

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            • Haven’t googled yet, but from your post it’s still subjective – who defines “reasonable man”, & what if I think their concept is unreasonable?
              So, now I’m asking your thoughts, do you think GBC’s guilt is beyond “reasonable” doubt? Do you think the doubts presented are reasonable to a point of acquittal? Because I know I don’t, but that is due to my perception of reasonable!

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              • The “Reasonable Man” definition should be a part of the Judges comments to the Jury. I guess the idea of the concept is to rule out prejudices or inexperience in the mind of someone.

                Which is good if someone is open to the idea but if there are prejudices it’s an uphill battle…..which I guess can go either way.

                My thoughts…..he killed her, just didn’t murder her. Everything is just a bit too clumsy for a pre planned event.

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                • Having an argument with your wife and choking her to death or grabbing a knife and stabbing her 20 times isn’t exactly pre-planned but it is also not an accident. Punching her and having her fall backwards, hitting her head and dying as a result is more likely to be seen as an accident. Hiding her body doesn’t help either, in my opinion. Anyway as I wasn’t there in the courtroom to hear every bit of evidence then I couldn’t say whether there is or isn’t reasonable doubt. Jury would just like one of us but they haven’t had 2 years picking over every bone as we have so they are solely relying what they have heard and been shown over the past 4 weeks.

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  19. OK the next cab off the rank for the defence is Dr Mark Schramm, a psychiatrist with 20 years experience.

    Maybe GBC can achieve one last boot in the guts of Allison in the harsh, miserable mud under Kholo Bridge…

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  20. —- Dr Schramm agrees that none of the remarks he gave about depression and suicide relate to Allison. Just general assessments. Nor did he interview anyone. —-

    Let me clarify. To be candid this is a load a crap being dumped on Allison under Kholo by GBC, who has told his lawyers it was suicide…

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  21. I predict there will be a verdict very very soon. Depends on how long the summing up and judges directions to jury takes. However I doubt there will be a long deliberation period. JMHO

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    • Dora, I agree with you, I think the jury made up their mind on wether GBC is guilty or not guilty in the first few days of the trial, but if they think he’s guilty hopefully they won’t change their minds.

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  22. —- Dr Schramm says he’s dealing with scant notes and hadn’t interviewed Allison —-

    Let me clarify. To be perfectly candid, this is a joke. Love JJE

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    • I am incensed by this – some t**t blurting out opinions which are completely irrelevant because he NEVER EVEN SAW HER!!! At least it has been made clear that he is just speculating, casting malicious rumour about someone he didn’t know at all but I struggle to understand how this is allowed.

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      • Don’t stress, JK – I know it’s awful to hear and read about, however, at the same time, it’s a welcome relief (to me) compared to the garbage we’ve heard from Bwana Jnr for the last 4 days.

        My point being, Schramm has admitted to having scant notes – therefore Defence has no leg to stand on.

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        • Thanks DD. I think I get concerned because it’s clear how GBC has been able to manipulate and con people for a long time. You’re right that Dr’s “evidence” is so paltry, and I am forgetting that Fuller is yet to do his soliloquy, where he will use what has been gathered to PUMMEL the crap out of “reasonable” doubt!

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          • No probs, JK. I was numb earlier. Feeling pretty confident now about how this verdict will go 😊 I’m too impatient to wait until Monday, though! Time to tackle all those jobs I’ve put off from being glued to Twitter for days! Lol

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    • Wait till 10AM Monday, for closing remarks and summary. GBC can once more mount up on Goldfinger to return to his 4×10 at AGCC for the long, long weekend and stew in his own juices. The judge will give directions to the jury at how they can arrive at a verdict. This judge is doing a fine job. I have complete and utter faith in the jury and have no doubt that they will arrive at the correct verdict. What do you think ?

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      • Strong case for a conviction, just hope the jury come to the same conclusion as most of Australia has.

        If he is found not guilty, Australians tend to serve up their own punishment for these people. Lindy Chamberlain had to leave Australia, the offenders in the Jaiyden Leskie case have been regularly assaulted or had their vehicles/property vandalized for over 14 years now.

        The Baden-Clay name is now mud no matter what happens next week.

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  23. Suggestions of suicide??? The lady had her hair done that very afternoon. Suicidal women don’t get their hair done to throw themselves into a muddy creek! Surely that point alone throws this psychiatrist off the stand and slaps the defence as ‘pitiful’!

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    • Ms Molly. Of course suicidal women are unlikely to get their hair done if they are already planning suicide later that day. Who knows. But your argument holds no weight because the event that triggered a suicide could have occurred after her hair was done. In this case the defense denies there was any upset that night which weakens the suicide theory. The prosecution’s case throws further doubt on the suicide theory in that it is unlikely she walked to the bridge, there was not enough toxin in her system to indicate overdose and the lack of broken bones and the position where she was found makes it unlikely she threw herself off the bridge.

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  24. I’m a bit deflated that is it (apart from summaries of course). I think that the prosecution perhaps didn’t do all they could but I am only getting that from twitter. Was he ever asked how he knew what she was wearing if he last saw her the night before (of course he would have some BS answer but WAS he asked?) I hope JJE is right – they have done enough to show the jury he simply cannot be trusted so there’s no “reasonable” doubt from his testimony, so it comes down to the evidence which clearly points red, neon, flashing arrows toward GBC. How will I get through to Monday btw???

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    • JayKay. In the initial interview BGC said she wore one of two outfits when she went walking. What was missing – ie the grey pants an shoes was therefore was therefore deemed to be what she would have been wearing.

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  25. It’s bloody obvious why GBC chose the Sparky – the Captiva – to dump ABC’s body and do his ‘search patrol of her walking routes’ the next morning…

    Snowy – the Prado – is far less inconspicuous. A large white 4WD with personalised, black number plates that say SETTLED, with Century 21 Westside signs plastered over the windows, is far more easy to remember. Sparky was a nondescript compact wagon, dull grey, standard plates, no adorning literature… the type of car that looks so normal…

    He is not stupid enough to use Snowy as the dump car… and it would have looked almost comical him driving around Brookfield in the morning with SETTLED and Century21 plastered all over his vehicle of choice, looking for his “missing” wife… word might have got down to the mums at the tuckshop of Brookfield State School…. imagine what the rumour mill would have done then… plus his franchise didn’t need the adverse publicity…

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    • I agree. He didn’t want to be noticed on April 19 in the Prado.
      Do you notice in his 000 call, he did not tell the operator he was out looking for Allison. No, what he said is “I’m, I’m now driving the streets.”
      He told the truth. He was just driving the streets, that’s all…he wasn’t looking for anyone.

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      • I forgot to mention that Snowy – the Prado – also had very visible recent crash damage on the front-left bumper, making it even less inconspicuous. A long wheelbase, white 4WD wagon with black-white SETTLED plates, crash damage and Century21 Westside signs would have been very recognisable to all the mums in the Brookfield area. “Gerard, what are you doing driving around at this hour? Everything OK? Where is Allison?”…. Surely if you are ‘searching’ for your ‘missing’ wife, the Prado (which is his car) would be the vehicle of choice, it being the most visible…

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        • That is the essence of half-truths and half-lies told by narcissists/sociopaths. That is why he believes he is telling the truth to the question “did you kill your wife?”. No, No, I never killed her, she died when her head hit the floor, or it might have been the pillow. The pillow I held over her mouth stopped her from breathing, so in fact it wasn’t technically ME,,,,, or what ever other justifications he has for his actions.

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      • LOL…he told the truth for a millisecond!! Of course he would not be looking for her because he knew where she was. He was driving the streets pretending only, not actually looking. Good pick-up!.

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        • Something to add to that… Today when asked why he didn’t call Allison’s parents before his and her friends, he said it was because he was “expecting she would walk in or be found any minute”… Why didn’t he say he was expecting she would CALL or reply to his texts any minute? Proof of the fact that he knew she didn’t have her phone? Maybe… ? Just throwing it out there.

          And also, he said he didn’t know he was under suspicion and went to pains to make it clear that he was cooperative with them but went on to refer to the police questions as ‘interrogation’ … Not ‘questioning’ … And he used the word interrogation several times.

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          • What about when asked why he phoned the Christs, his friends, before her parents. He said because there was a sleepover planned…. Allison is missing from a walk, not never coming home.. except it was just that, she was never coming home so best to ring the the Christs and cancel sleepover… so many dumb as dog-sh^& answers. A sleepover would be the last thing on my mind if my loved one was missing but she wasn’t his loved one, he hadn’t done a Love G for years, yet he did on the fake texts.

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          • …but he had already called friends to tell them the sleep-over was likely to be off because Allison was missing. That is more like expecting Allison to still be missing that night rather than expecting her to walk in the door any moment.

            Also – his use of “interrogation” instead of “questioned” smacks of his arrogance – of “how dare they question me”

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            • True that, Dora. His arrogance floors me. This is the third time I’ve come across someone like this and it never gets easier to deal with. Never has there been so much arrogance from someone who has so little to be arrogant about…

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            • Exactly right and I bet he will be arrogant until his dying breath. I originally thought he might be quite humble by the time the trial came around but I was proved wrong. His reason given for phoning the Christs because of the sleepover was an enormous mistake in my opinion.

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    • Remember also where Sparky was parked in relation to Snowy, the latter being much closer to the back yard, much more hidden from the street and harder to see from the girls’ bedroom windows.

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  26. Come back Monday morning it seems…. Jury has been excused until Monday 10am.
    So it will be summing up and closing arguments I guess on Monday – need confirmation from legal eagles plse.

    I had already done charts for 10th July – next Thursday, but I can’t see the jury deliberating that long. Maybe I shall relight the fire under the cauldron in the interim.

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  27. Since GBC’S case is adjourned until Monday, we can forget about GBC’S trial for 4 days and hopefully justice is served on Monday, what I mean by, hopefully justice is served on Monday, is that GBC get’s the Guilty verdict.

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    • I am a bit confused. I believe the jury are adjourned (I don’t know why) until Monday when they will return to court for the ‘Summing up’ from Prosecution and Defence (closing arguments?) and then will go into deliberation for a verdict.

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      • Sorry applejack, I didn’t word it correctly, and yes your right the jury is adjourned until Monday for some reason and they will go into a deliberation for a verdict on Monday.

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        • The jury was adjourned till Monday to give the defense and prosecution time to prepare final summaries, and make any submissions to the judge on directions he may make to the jury (eg the judge may direct the jury not to take particular evidence into consideration etc)

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  28. GBC thinks Monday will be a great day for him, since he thinks the jury might be fooled by him and give him the not guilty verdict, but if he does get the guilty verdict, the little boy will be crying on his mothers shoulder for hours.

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    • I agree TCR, I would imagine ol’ Gerbs is thinking that wasn’t so bad. He would be thinking he’s convinced the jury with his lies, non recollecting and denial……..I have no doubt he would truly be believing right now he is a free man.

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  29. If GBC does get the Not Guilty verdict on Monday, more evidence will arise in the future to prove he’s Guilty, such as someone seeing him at the Kholo Creek Bridge that night, but they didn’t want to say anything for whatever reason. But can he legally be brought back to trial again in the future?

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  30. I said I was having a Baden-Clay free day today, it lasted until 2pm Melbourne time lol

    I guess to wrap up my thoughts on the case & jury I’d have to say that I’m completely satisfied that the crown put forward a strong case that clearly proved beyond any reasonable doubt that GBC is a pathological liar, serial cheat, willing to say or do anything to get out of a situation/make a self interest gain who murdered his wife in the evening of the 19th of April, disposing her body using her car at Kohlo Creek to do it.

    I also 100% feel their defense suggesting Alison took her own life or their suggestion that TMcH or a third party has murdered Alison to be completely unfounded & untrue beyond a reasonable doubt.

    My concern is that there’s a reason why GBC has gotten away with his behavior for so long and that’s because he’s skilled at deception, deflection, skilled at classic domestic violence perpetrator tactics. It’s no coincidence he was able to dupe friends out of money, dupe TMcH into believing he was this saint of a man, dupe his wife, deceptive business dealings with business partners etc etc.. He’s got much experience in behaving poorly and being able to side step responsibility for his actions.

    Now I can clearly see what he’s doing, but we’re relying on 12 members of the jury to see the same thing and that’s my main worry. Again, it’s no coincidence that GBC has successfully duped so many people, because he’s experienced at it. I just hope the jury get it.

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    • ace2, my concern is that since GBC deceived TMH, business partners and other people, he could deceive the jury since he is so good at it, but I think they will see through his pathetic lies, but maybe not.

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  31. I hope so much that the jury take stock of his nature and then reflect on her nature…. Seriously, the woman tried so hard to work on that marriage, she was positive, happy in her final days about making a difference to the business and getting things on track and lastly and most importantly…mshe lived for those girls.. Even if she was suicidal which I highly doubt, wouldn’t a mother say or do things different the night before to her girls knowing it would be the last time she saw them? Wouldn’t she leave a note telling them how much she loved them, explaining why etc etc… And most importantly the girl may have been emotional but she wasn’t stupid… Do you think she honestly would purposefully remove herself from their life knowing they would be left to be raised by a philandering, narsiccistic, pathological liar?? I KNOW she wouldn’t… And there’s no way her parents wouldn’t have picked up on things if they were that dire… NO WAY. The bruises on her head and chest?? Consistent with the blood marks in the car.. He is so guilty and I pray that the jury aren’t passive enough not to see the writing on the wall and all the points that don’t add up.

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  32. For those folks who are feeling down, the there wasn’t some sort of ‘gotcha’ moment, I would like to lift your spirits. Murder trials in Australia aren’t anything like the (American and sometimes Australian) rubbish you see on TV. But remember Brett Cowan, Simon Gittany and Max Sica, amongst others, who thought they could get away with it. All built their defence on a pack of lies. Have faith in the system, the judge and jury, they can see through lies and deception.

    And I would ask you to cast you memory back to that depressing day, 12th of May 2012, when Allison’s funeral took place, and the Dickies stoically cast aside all bitterness to allow those damn Baden-Clay’s to attend. That coward sobbed his way through it and left it to her brother and sister to eulogize her… remember her sister’s, Vannessa Fowler, words..

    “Allison, there are many questions that are unanswered, many pieces of a puzzle that need to be put together, and we your family pledge to you that we will have these questions answered. We will bring you justice and you deserve nothing less. Why then? Why there? Why now? We cry, why did she die? The heavens are silent.”

    We have all been patient. The Dickies especially so. Imagine what they have been through and continue to. Without disparaging anyone, an individuals low feeling about the case is nothing compared to what the Dickies must face. The Day of Reckoning is coming… where a certain individual will be called to account for one’s actions, namely bloody coward wife-killing bastardism for the most selfish of reasons… This individual has avoided accountability his whole life. NOT THIS BLOODY TIME. The heavens that fell silent for Mrs Fowler, are starting to rumble with vengeance.

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    • Well said! We all hope and pray justice is served… Not being able to explain her significant blood in the car… Which if it had been a cut leg I’m sure she would have mentioned to him or the kids… Kids didn’t even know about it and also the fact the girls stipulated the toys were never in the back of the car… A lady was coming to collect from the charity. I’m wondering if that lady ever came forward to confirm that… Hmmmmmm

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    • Yes, well said and also don’t forget its impossible for the jury not to pick up on the body language of the respective families and the judge himself. The Prancing Wannabee’s or the strained, yet dignified Dickies who exude goodness? No brainer there, hey?

      Plus no doubt they know where the general feeling of the public lies; its in the numbers of respective supporters for starters.

      No, I’m now quietly confident…think I’ll get a good bottle from the cellars at 5 o’clockers today!

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      • I so hope so Shadow…. I would join you in a drop but I don’t wish to jinx things as sometimes happens with me…. :0)

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  33. If GBC get’s acquitted, do you think he might move interstate or move to another country because of how disliked he is by the public?

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  34. On Monday, that will be the day that the everyone want’s justice for Allison, but if the verdict comes back as not guilty for GBC, it will be a terrible injustice to the friends, family and all the people who knew Allison, especially for Allison’s parents who know that their son in law killed their own daughter just to pay off his debts, they the family of Allison will live the rest of their life knowing they never got justice for Allison and that her killer can walk free, it will be a terrible day if he get’s found not guilty, but if he get’s found guilty, Allison’s family will have some comfort knowing that they have justice for her and that her killer won’t be walking free for along time.

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  35. It’s a shame that the judge, Justice Bryne, couldn’t gag GBC by putting a Dummy in his mouth when he was taking the stand. Then, he’ll really spit the Dummy if he get’s the guilty verdict.

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  36. I found GBC’s response to the prosecutions questioning throughout to be utterly condescending. The more his feathers ruffled, the more condescending he became. I feel, albeit rather tame, Todd Fuller got the desired effect in exposing the other less confident side of GBC for the benefit of the jury.
    I feel confident he will not be acquitted. He may not however face a charge of Murder, but rather, unlawful killing or manslaughter.
    Justice John Byrne is switched on and made a rather interesting remark much, I’m sure to the repugnance of the defences suicide theory. It went along the lines of: So Mrs Baden-Clay got up from the couch, put on her walking clothes, walked 14 kilometres in the dark to Kholo Creek and threw herself into the creek and drowned?

    He further made a rather interesting point in mentioning in part, a quote by Sherlock Holmes regarding Deduction and Deductive Reasoning.

    Simply Stated – Deduction is Reasoning Backwards

    “In solving a problem of this sort, the grand thing is to be able to reason backwards. That is a very useful accomplishment, and a very easy one, but people do not practise it much. In the every-day affairs of life it is more useful to reason forwards, and so the other comes to be neglected. There are fifty who can reason synthetically for one who can reason analytically…Let me see if I can make it clearer. Most people, if you describe a train of events to them, will tell you what the result would be. They can put those events together in their minds, and argue from them that something will come to pass. There are few people, however, who, if you told them a result, would be able to evolve from their own inner consciousness what the steps were which led up to that result. This power is what I mean when I talk of reasoning backwards, or analytically.”

    Sherlock Holmes Quote

    As you all know by now, the jury will return on a Monday morning to hear closing statements.
    Depending on how long it takes them to deliberate, I dare say it should be well and truly over by the end of next week.
    Then we can all get back to our lives, work and “normal selves”.

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  37. Been a big few weeks (well years really)

    Just wanted to take this twilight moment to say thank you to each and every one of you who might of followed us here happy lurking around,(and suddenly decided to jump in the deep end, thanks!) or contributed here for no reward other than to share, which is priceless on its own, and the thousands who joined in the conversation here and had a say, shared a thought, a theory, or asked a question, OR questioned any of our thoughts.

    It really is the guts of why I started this site. I have at times tried too hard to be something for everyone covering things too lightly, others too heavily.

    I think that when a crime grips the nation, having a place to come to and discuss it, dissect it, make sense of, and indeed grieve about is good for me.

    I remember I had nowhere to go, and now I and all of you do.

    A sincere big thanks to all of you for taking time out of your lives to be part of this community on the internet. Something quite Australian I think!

    Robbo

    (this case still has plenty of life yet, don’t touch that dial!)

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  38. Coming back to comment as Hercule Poirot the second ( my first version remains on my old computer). Have a few questions.. NBC was asked by LE if he entered the house on the morning ABC went missing and he “couldn’t recall”. Really? Somewhere recently I believe it was recorded NBC made the lunches for the children? 2. GBC is texting (in a very old news video) fluently with his left hand, he now describes himself as right handed. How many right handed people here can do that? Be careful of visual and verbal perceptions… .To explain the concept, the recent missing Malaysian plane was supposed to be sending black box signals in the ocean, that ONLY suggests a black box , not a plane. If terrorist activity, the black box pings are red herrings…. potentially. I suspect many red herrings in this case. Perceptions are what you see, but not what is verified by others who do not have a private agenda. Think about this and all the visual and verbal red herrings, not verified by independent persons.

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    • Thanks Gerry, like my comment above says, I so appreciate you all, it makes this place what is is. Not there at court to use your skills to get exclusives, or door stop anyone for a buck. You have said throughout you would respect Allison’s family and friends, and unlike others you have done so, not taking pics of them! Kudos champ

      Going to have a look now mate

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      • RIP Allison, I think his family members are here on this planet in physical form, but mentally they’re on another planet. They’ve played this charade of we are a united front that we’re here to support gerard.

        I hope that some harsh words are said this lot once they’re outside the court.

        GBC, for all of his arrogance in this facade had the gaul to smirk twice during Fuller’s cross examination.

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  39. Baden-Clay extended transcript of final cross-examination exchange
    Mr Fuller: “You killed your wife, Mr Baden-Clay.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “No, I did not.”
    Mr Fuller: “You killed her either in or at your house at Brookfield that night or the early hours of the morning.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “No, I did not.”
    Mr Fuller: “You attacked her and the only way she could respond was lash out and claw at your face and leave marks upon it.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “That is not true.”
    Mr Fuller: “Probably as you smothered her and took her life from her.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “That is not true.”
    Mr Fuller: “Perhaps she grabbed at your clothing. Is that why you had that injury under your right shoulder. Why did you have that injury?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I don’t know.”
    Mr Fuller: “You have no idea?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “No.”
    Mr Fuller: “You overpowered her pretty quickly, didn’t you?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I never overpowered her at all.”
    Mr Fuller: “Perhaps her jumper came up, as she tried to fight you off, up over her head, and up around her neck, or did that happen later, as you moved her body?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I never did anything to physically harm my wife in any way, ever. So your suppositions to then take it further to suggest that I did other things as well, is absurd, and I object to it. So I can’t answer your question.”
    Mr Fuller: “Her head came into contact with the fallen leaves at the back of your house, or the side of your house?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I don’t know.”
    Mr Fuller: “As you put her in the Captiva.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I did not.”
    Mr Fuller: “And she sustained perhaps a minor injury to some part of her body that caused her to bleed.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I did not have anything to do with anything you are suggesting.”
    Mr Fuller: “That’s why the blood is on the right hand side…where the seats are folded?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I had nothing to do with anything you are asking me.”
    Mr Fuller: “You transported her to Kholo Creek and then dumped her underneath the bridge, unceremoniously.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “No, I did not.”
    Mr Fuller: “Anxious to get back to your children?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “The suggestion that I would leave my children for any time, in the middle of the night, is absurd, let alone do the dastardly things you’re suggesting.”
    Mr Fuller: “That was all done by 1.48am, perhaps, which was when you put your phone back on its charger.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I did not.”
    Mr Fuller: “You started covering your tracks then, I suggest to you, Mr Baden-Clay, toys in back of car, shaving, cutting yourself just at bottom edges to help disguise, and give some legitimacy to your claim that they were in fact shaving cuts.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I did not.”
    Mr Fuller: “And then you told everybody they were shaving cuts, anybody who asked. And you were happy for the police to search your house, correct?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes, I had nothing to hide.”
    Mr Fuller: “Because you knew there was nothing to be found.”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “No, because I knew that I had nothing to hide. And I wanted my wife found. And they suggested that searching the house might in some way be helpful to that end. So I enabled them to do whatever they wanted to do.”
    Mr Fuller: “And you kept up the facade of a concerned husband?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “I was a concerned husband and I am a very concerned father, I remain so. It’s not a facade.”
    Mr Fuller: “And then you took some legal advice, and declined to provide a formal statement to the police?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “That’s right. I, to be perfectly candid with you, had no idea what a formal statement was, and I couldn’t see how it was any different to all the numerous questions I’d been asked previously. But my lawyer insisted upon it, so I followed that advice.”
    Mr Fuller: “And you’re certain you never told Allison she was going to run into Ms McHugh the next day?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “Absolutely not.”
    Mr Fuller: “Despite the flashbacks?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.”
    Mr Fuller: “Despite the angst it had caused before?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “Yes.”
    Mr Fuller: “Despite your newfound love and commitment to her?”
    Mr Baden-Clay: “To Allison? Yes.”
    Mr Fuller: “Thank you, your Honour.”

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  40. Hi,

    I’ve been reading your posts for a while and thank you for your efforts. For a start, if you shave from the side of your cheek in towards your chin, you cannot do a curly scratch. You can do a scratch that is angled, but it should be straight. Second, she was obviously transported in her own vehicle, as I’ve said before: she bled quite profusely in the back of her own car. How often do you sit in the back of your own car. And it was only 8 weeks and no one said, hey, she accidentally cut an artery and took herself to the doc, with no record, while driving the car from the boot. This is where the reasonable doubt comes from. I’m struggling to give him reasonable doubt, whereas the alternative that he killed his wife is quite obvious

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    • A bit of trivia.

      The average shave for a man is between 170 and 200 strokes.

      Can be as low as 70….can be as high as 700.

      Source….Gillette.

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  41. Can I also say I’ve worked for lawyers for over 35 years and they know when someone is guilty. The judge also says the jury usually gets it right. What you don’t want, and I’ve experienced this, is someone who cannot find anyone guilty as they feel like they’re sending the perp to the electric chair. If they’re sensible, they relent and go with the other 11. I actually was on the Max Sica trial but sustained a ruptured disc in my back and had to pull out.

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  42. Also, the mumbled voices heard. No one said if it was male or female. I’m thinking GBC and his dad as women’s voices tend to be high pitched when stressed. What do you think?

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  43. Forgive me guys if asked or mentioned above.

    I really picked up maybe the only times GBC was half a chance to be telling the truth.

    He used the term honest in his answer…AS well as the term remember here are a few times I’m talking about

    Gerard: I honestly can’t remember the thought process

    Gerard says he can’t remember what time Allison was supposed to leave for work. Says it was 7am or 7.30am.

    Gerard says it didn’t enter his mind to tell police about his conversations with Toni. He says he just wanted to find Allison.

    Fuller asks if he thought to call Toni McHugh to see if she’d contacted Allison. Gerard says he didn’t even think about it.

    Gerard says he can’t remember if he spoke to police after they’d spoken to Toni.

    Gerard says he didn’t know exactly where the scout camp was.

    “You are asking an awful lot of hypothetical questions that I … I honestly can’t answer that,” he said

    “If Allison and I had determined we were doing to separate, divorce or something like that, how that played out, I honestly don’t know,” he said.

    Why does one say that only here and there.
    Are they not honest all the time.
    Are they showing emphasis to the questioner, no seriously, I mean it this time???

    What the hell, anyone else note that? Not scientific, ut will use some software in the morning to capture every time he spoke those words in testimony, with the relevant question!

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    • I noticed it but assumed, like everything else, he was F.O.S…. He doesn’t really think well ‘on the fly’. But you raise a valid point, Robbo! To him ‘honestly’ clearly means ‘this time I’m not concocting a lie’ … Which in itself is totally bizarre.

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      • Yeah L, like my mind is clear on this point cause its not bullshit.

        Somewhere if we had him on record with the cops (or anyone, a speech)saying oh I see you won 4 awards for…

        He would come back with “Well to be honest I think it was 7 awards….”

        Know what I mean…grubby stat keeper

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      • Yeah Jessy, I might not of expressed it, that’s my point.It is a second, just a second, in all that concentration in covering the lies he can ease up for that fraction of a second and feel noble…Still a gutless coward though

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    • Yes, and there was also “absolutely not true” and “completely false” – isn’t something either true or false? Those expressions are red flags.
      Like many sociopaths and psychopaths, the truth is whatever comes out of their mouth at that particular time.

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    • Yes, we can do that but sadly, the nightmare is a lifelong sentence for the Dickies, the children etc. Pained and damaged. Poor Mr Dickie getting into his mid 70’s. Beyond comprehension the strain and pain and suffering they have and will endure.

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      • I was talking about this yesterday & how her poor dad in particular must be feeling. Dad’s are supposed to protect their little girls & when he gives them away their husband then takes over. He would have known what GBC was like but because Allison had chosen him he would have kept his feelings to himself…as long as his little girl was happy. He must want to tear that bastards heart out!! It makes my heart ache so much.

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    • I am afraid I find myself getting very frustrated communicating with people like GBC….. They are clever enough and articulate enough to ‘out speak’ you in a fashion, if that makes sense. Their ability to pull bullshit out of their arse in a condescending, facetious fashion, out-smarting most honest and civilized folk is quite scary. I guess that is what makes a good criminal lawyer – who who can think succinctly and wisely on their feet, without interruption of emotion.

      Sometimes, I wish I wasn’t a simple person and that I didn’t let emotion get in the way when dealing with those who have the capacity to smart-arse me out of the ring and into a frustrated state.
      I wonder if it is genetics – on both sides. Are we born with the capacity? Or is it learned, as a survival mechanism?

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    • Saying ‘honestly’ in a statement doesn’t mean they are being honest at that moment. It just means they want you to believe they are being honest at that moment. They want you to take their statement at face value and not question it further. It’s sensitive. It is also an indication that that have not been honest previously, and have need to convince you of it now. He wanted the questions to stop.

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  44. I swear, if GBC gets off I’m going to kill myself: throw myself off the Kholo Creek bridge, landing underneath it, with no broken bones and my humongous jumper wrapped around my head

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  45. Hi RIP,
    I’ve always thought the reason he may have used Allison’s car would be that it was easier to back into the carport as it fit under the roof of the carport. He could then drag Alison’s body out from the back patio and into the back of Allison’s car . The carport was open at the back (no wall) so he was well hidden if any of the little girls had woken.
    If he used his car, it would have been parked near the front of the house and if any of the girls had woken and looked out the window he would have been busted, plus a lot further to move her body and his car was much higher for him to try and get a body into.
    I believe this may have been all premeditated and well planned. He wasn’t expecting Allison to leave her mark down his face though and thank God she did !!

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    • So true… He’s a salesman… Let’s not forget that. He duped his wife, his friends and everyone who knew him. She was totally dominated by him so IMO he’s asked her to go outside to discuss a few things with her so not to wake the kids, she’s either told him she wants a divorce or something like that.. Or he did tell her Toni was going to be at the conference. She’s gone to walk off or call someone and he’s knocked her out in the head and pushed her in the chest.. Explains the injuries on her. Being on the ground the leaves and plant material have got in her hair, he’s then tried to suffocate her which he could easily do with his hand being a man and naturally stronger, and no sound to wake the kids, she’s tried to fight him off and scratched him and then once she’s died he’s gone inside and redressed her in her walking clothes, then thrown her body in the car, head up against the side where she’s bled, taken her up to the creek and left her, staged near the bridge. He was an ex scout… Could easily have navigated the terrain, with hours to clean up at home and work on concocting this ridiculous story… Probably with the help of his father and sister who will do anything g to protect him so not to tarnish their family name. This is way more believable and plausible to me than a devoted mother and wife committing suicide. If anything, she wouldn’t commit suicide she’d try to kill him before herself after what he put her through…

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  46. Hi All,
    I have been following this case since the beginning, on an off, and have been following the trial as I could. I know the geographical area for over 40 years – including Brookfield and up over Kholo Creek. This case has lots of exposure. There is something that always bugged me though and now that both sides have rested in court – wanted to hear your thoughts.

    The original police officer who attended at the Baden-Clays (Constable Ash) – in his statement on 21/05/2012 (item no. 17) stated that “I asked Gerard if he had definitely taken the Holden Captivia to search for Allison and then when he got home reversed it around the Toyota Prado and back underneath the carport. Gerard said that he did and that it was easy for him to reverse around the Prado.”

    Note: Constable Ash and his colleague, Constable Hammond, were at the address at 8:00am on the morning of 20th April 2012 – and so these observations declared in the statement Ash wrote were taken from that time (re the Cars)

    Note: The Holden Captiva has been identified as Allison’s car nicknamed “Sparky” and dull grey in colour, no defining marks nor personalised plates, and only a few weeks old purchased by the Baden-Clays – also the car that has been identified as the one with the confirmed blood stain and the ‘toys in the back’. The Toyota Prado has been identified as Gerard’s car nicknamed “Snowy” which is the white 4WD with Century 21 stamped all over it in stickers and some scratches on it from a Crash Gerard claimed to have happened on the Monday before (Monday 16th April).

    We’ve all seen the photos now of the property including the carport and the back garden from the trial.

    As far as I can ascertain from the statements of the observations of the police at the time back in April 2012- “Sparky” was at the back of the carport reverse in (with boot at the back towards the garden).
    “Snowy” was in front of it headlights facing “Sparky”. Then there was NBC’s tank and Olivia’s little blue car. (the Police car was blocking OW’s car and had to be requested to be moved so she could take the Kids to school).

    no. 1. If there was just “Sparky” and “Snowy” at home. (before he called OW and NBC for help) and going for a search in “Sparky” around the neighbourhood, Why would he not take the 1st car that was parked out the front of the house (if he was in such a rush and so concerned)? Wouldn’t that first car be “Snowy” and not “Sparky”??

    no.2. If he was so panicky and rushed (and apparently cut himself shaving) then why would he be in the frame of mind to choose the car in the carport in the rear (i.e. “Sparky”) rather than his own “Snowy” which was right out front? He would have to navigate around his own car “Snowy” to get “Sparky” out of the carpark in the first place. AND then upon return of his concerned search navigate around “Snowy” again to get the car back under the carport (reverse car parking)

    This always bugged me!

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    • Hi there ProudPotatoEarned

      Welcome aboard, you kind of answered your own questions by asking them, which was your point I’m guessing.

      He has no logical reason to do that, like so many other things.

      Great to see/hear how involved you are as a long time local!

      Thanks for sharing this. I am sure many will respond in the morning

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    • That exact question was put to him y Todd fuller today… His answer was that the prado had damage from the accident. Todd fuller said “but you’d been driving it the rest of the week?” He responded something along the lines of: yes but it’s easy for me to reverse in and out and that’s why I took the captiva.

      Bizarre, how stupid it sounded.

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    • Hi PPE, a few possibilities have been mentioned. One is that his car with the business logo and accident damage would be too recognisable – more risky. I think Jessy just posted another very good one just above your post – have a look!

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    • Maybe (subconsciously) he took the Captiva because the Prado was a traveling sideshow with the host of advertising signs and novelty plates and the situation was grim?

      His car….her car…..the family had two cars. It wouldn’t be a big deal to me to take either.

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    • Good Question, but just as it was better to take Sparky on the Body Dump Trip as it was less conspicuous, it would also have been better to take the less conspicuous vehicle in the morning as he pretended to be searching for Allison, but was actually doing some other diversionary work like disposing of Allison’s Phone and other incriminating evidence.

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      • Or Olivia was disposing of the phone…. And why didn’t he go with Olivia in her car??? And why did Olivia and Nigel take two cars when they were both staying at same house and left together??? None of it makes sense… None of it. All too planned in my view. A desperately upset and genuine man trying to find his beloved wife just wouldn’t have done what he did. He was soooo calm and collected throughout the whole thing. Then and now.

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    • Hi PPE…as a local myself I have wondered why the girls were driven to school…the school was literally across the road from them!! & I’m with you on the reversing in. If you were panicked you would screech to a halt asap.

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  47. Just because someone says they did something for a reason, weird reason, doesn’t make it true, that’s where the reasonable doubt comes in. You have to say to yourself. Would I have taken this car, reversing awkwardly etc etc. or just taken my car. Reasonable doubt? No, he would have taken his car. Don’t ever be scared by reasonable doubt. All it means is what would you think or do.

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    • I believe that he disposed of a few last minute things like maybe the phone. His BS over the toys in the boot annoyed me. They were not there that last morning when Allison dropped the kids at school as the girls would have seen them. She then drove to real estate work. The next day, they are there, she is missing. Someone was meant to pick them up at some time. I doubt that she was going to take them to the conference and Gerard denies any knowledge of when she could have put them there. He even seemed to have trouble recognising what they were despite the fact that it was him that helped the girls shift it all downstairs ready to be picked up for charity. His efforts to cover up his crime were overkill in numerous areas. It makes me sick that he used his daughter to try to cover him for the facial injuries, covering his face with shaving cream so that she couldn’t see the marks then pretending that he suddenly cut himself and getting her to help him with a bandaid.

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      • yes, I agree. The Captiva was probably used to ditch things like the phone, PJs, his clothes and anything else incriminating whilst “driving the streets’ looking for Allison in the morning. If any traces or something forgotten, then easily explained by the car usually being used by Allison. And any traces of him and blood easily explained by him driving it that morning and the “shaving” cuts. Also the Captiva was much more anonymous. Wonder whether the police searched the CCTV at the roundabout for the Captiva in the morning?

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        • Are the pj’s definitely missing? I can’t believe the police let him take THE razor with him to his parents house after they declared it a crime scene… Surely after he told them the suspicious cuts were done with his razor, why didn’t they seize the razor then and there? This seemed bizarre to me. Gave him opportunity to tamper more with it.

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  48. He is so narcissistic he would honestly think he had done a great job and we would all be believing him. If the jury comes back with guilty, and there has been no reason why they should, he will be in shock; that’s how great he thinks he is. He will never own up to it and will not divulge his guilt on his deathbed. I personally don’t want him out here with us normal, nice, people. He did have some sex appeal, when he was thinner, but not now he is fat. I just hope Toni isn’t waiting for him somewhere. I have dated someone like this and they get off on how upset you or the other is. They love the manipulation.

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    • Yes I’ve had a few encounters with narcissists. When their behavior confuses you, its meant too.

      That’s why I don’t believe Alison had depression because of a chemical imbalance, her symptoms began not long after her relationship was serious with GBC. She was suffering from classic post traumatic stress from a domestic violence relationship IMO.

      These guys brainwash & tear you down until you’re just a shell. Then they move onto someone more of a challenge while continuing to manipulate you.

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      • Hi armchair, great post !! and who wouldn’t be suffering depression with your Husband having affairs with anyone he could. He says he needs sex !!!

        I think I will keep the next comment about him getting all the sex he needs to myself 🙂

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      • Armchairexpert2. I think Allison’s depression was the result of chemical imbalances. Having to deal with the behaviour of someone like GBC appears to be (and he is according to his own testimony a deceitful, manipulating, philandering, immoral wannabe) is bound to create emotional crises and lead to the depletion of serotonin. Victims of domestic violence more often than not are diagnosed with depression – it is the result of being worn down emotionally over a long period of time as they struggle to retain optimism and hope in a relationship that is knocking that out of them every step of the way. PTSD can result from DV but usually only from few incidents of extremely violent episodes. The DV in this marriage seems to have been continuous and subtle over their entire relationship. JMHO

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  49. Hi Everyone,

    I’ve been a lurker here the past few days out of sheer curiosity of this case and am amazed by the insights and knowledge you’ve all been able to provide.

    One thing I’m incredibly curious to know is if GBC has ever displayed an indignant, passionate and emotional outburst in regards to his innocence. Does anyone have evidence of this? The reason in asking is:

    1) If accused of murder – especially murder of your closest loved one – and you were completely innocent, facing time in prison for something you didn’t do, wouldn’t most people caught in such an awful situation spend every breathing moment to prove and plead against the accusation? Has GBC ever pleaded his innocence to an audience, media outlet, own blog or website, or whatever means necessary to emphatically tell the world he didn’t do it?

    2) Why has he accepted, so easily, without any concrete proof, that Allison committed suicide? Again, wouldn’t most people be unsatisfied with that conclusion, and if innocent of any involvement in her death, wouldn’t people fight tooth and nail to get to the bottom of what actually happened? Not only by pleading their innocence of involvement, but tirelessly and constantly questioning and begging for answers? Has GBC ever made passionate statements asking both the police and public to find his wife’s killer?

    I ask this because while watching a doco on the exposure of Lance Armstrong, my brother made a point that struck within me and immediately made me think of this case, and especially GBC’s behaviour and demeanour (that some of you have documented by seeing personally in court): he said as we were watching the program that Armstrong never, ever raised his voice against his accusers since the very first moment the doping allegations against him were raised back in 1993. Every press conference, every interview, every investigation when these allegations were put to him, Armstrong answered back coolly, repetitively, and most importantly, with calculated, calm unemotion. At this point my brother then said something that really hit home: “Look at him. Whenever he refutes his involvement you can tell it’s an absolute lie. Because it’s pure fabrication. If it was the truth, then he’d be able to argue from the very core of his being, from the base of his gut, with pure emotion and passion, and then as human beings we’d feel that truth coming from his core into our hearts. Yet it comes from absolute emptiness, pure fabrication, hence it’s a lie, simple. A bald-faced lie that perpetuates because part of the game is his enjoyment in continually duping you.”

    So that’s why I ask if anyone has ever witnessed or know of any emphatic responses from GBC? Is his behaviour on the stand cool and detached? Is he ever angrily riled in offence whenever asked if he killed his wife? Or is it simply a cool, unemotional no? Surely an innocent man who is accused of killing the woman he claims he loved (and was in the process of saving the marriage with) would yell out a passionate and resounding “NO!!!” ??? Even a person who is reserved or unemotional in nature would show something, anything in their behaviour or body language to tell us, plead with us, beg of us, of their innocence?

    I wonder if this is the basis for the majority of people’s gut feeling of his guilt? That we sense the calm, calculated reserve from GBC for what it truly is?

    Sorry for the long babble, but I thought it an interesting point to discuss: the passion of innocence.

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        • You would think that 2 years locked away would humble him somewhat but no, still the pompous, arrogant POS he has always been. Passing a note like it is an office memo!

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    • He knows that Alison didn’t take her life, because he knows he’s responsible for taking it & dumping her.

      His tactic was to create reasonable doubt by suggesting that she took her life or another party took her life. Both suggestions are nonsense.

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    • Totally agree…. It would be my life mission to convince everyone of my innocence… No question and find the bastard who really did it… This guy has been protected for too long. By his family, his poor wife, his friends and lovers… Yes, lance Armstrong all over.

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      • I know it was a strange comparison to make with a cheating sportsman, but the similarities in personality, behaviour, motivations and body language are just astounding … and utterly scary. After all, many people caught in Armstrong’s web have continually quoted him that they wouldn’t be surprised if he resorted to murder to keep his motivations alive and his secret under wraps. Very, very scary stuff. Makes your skin crawl.

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  50. Hi peppermintmentos, I think the only passion he knows is the type he explored with his numerous mistresses. “Innocence”, like “truth” is not part of the world he inhabits.

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  51. I think that Gerard may have been genuinely a bit shocked that morning when that copper used his phone app to locate Allison’s phone in the backyard. Maybe it’s been hashed over but I did a bit of research a while back. Apparently, if the app has been used during the last two hours but the phone is now out of range or has app turned off etc, it will show the last known location! Imagine if that morning Gerard retrieved her phone from up the yard perhaps or even the house (as they can be out by 10 metres or more) and dropped it somewhere on his drive to “look” for Allison. He told police that he couldn’t find her with the app only to have the copper use the app and “find” her. I think that he got rid of the phone locally just before the police turned up because he realised that Allison “should” have her phone with her on her walk! I also note that he said that mobile calls drop out in the house so I wonder if either him or Allison were in the habit of taking the mobiles outside, perhaps even up the yard for better reception. If they did argue that night, Allison may well have dropped her phone up the yard. Remember Scrappy the neighbours little dog?

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      • I’ve always suspected that Allison tried to phone the police for help that night. And maybe she got through, then the call dropped out, which could be part of the reason police weren’t messing around next morning when GBC claimed she was ‘missing’. All along, I’ve suspected GBC grabbed Allison’s phone from her while she was trying to call for help, then he tossed (or as you say, dropped) her phone before killing her. If she did try to phone the police that night, it would show if the phone was analysed later, and GBC would have known that, which would be the reason he got rid of that phone

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        • Morning BB, good point, I agree with you that Allison’s phone was thrown or dropped somewhere out the back of the house that night during the fight, probably because she was attempting to call police or someone for help. I’m convinced that he found it ( he had to find it at all costs) and dumped it the next morning somewhere around the Fig Tree Pocket phone tower radius) along with her pyjamas (I dare say there was blood on them either from his scratches, or an injury he had inflicted on her) and the clothes and shoes he was wearing that night (for the same reason). I don’t recall reading anywhere that police took possession of Allison’s pyjamas. Does anyone?)
          I do recall reading somewhere that Allison’s pyjamas were pink/red chequered but in court, he distinctly described them as blue chequered or blue cross lines “tartan” then he said, no, not quite tartan. Maybe he supplied police with an alternate pair and dumped the ones she was wearing as they would have shown too much evidence namely blood as she was obviously bleeding)
          That’s when he came up with the up idea to dress her in her walking clothes and concoct the “she went walking” theory perhaps? So many scenarios.

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          • BellaBrissie, I suspect those pajamas were GONE very early. Cut up and burned? Along with much other physical evidence. Must have made GBC feel so cock-sure he could never be caught. Hope the media get shots of his face when the jury returns a guilty verdict

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            • I still don’t know about this pajama issue, guys… I have a feeling that if police had known to look for them at that stage, they would have been folded up underneath a pile of other clothes in the walk-in robe. Never worn. Or in the dirty clothes basket, planted by him. Isn’t there 3 different accounts of what she was wearing that night, between the girls and GBC? And his word would be the last thing I’d be trusting. Haha

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              • Involuntary evacuation of bowels and bladder when murdered? Not uncommon. Would create a mess and soiled clothing which would have left traces when body removed to vehicle, also upon lower clothing. Good reason to change that clothing prior to handling — imo

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          • Remember that earlier report Bella where a neighbour said they heard a bit of commotion and came outside to find GBC coming out of the bush near the house and he said something like “you don’t have worry” or something. What if he was retrieving a phone… And others hear sounds of people talking down near the bridge and someone saw two small 4wd’s…. Someone helped that piece of shit that night and no guesses needed to know who.

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        • He said yesterday when they showed the photo of the bedroom with the scarf on the bed etc that he didn’t know what happened to her pyjamas…I’ll search for it but I’m 98% sure thats what he said

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          • He said he did not see his wife’s pyjamas when he woke up that morning.

            “Well the, the, I don’t know where her pyjamas were, they may have been in the laundry basket, I don’t know but her shoes were missing and one of the pairs of leggings she tended to wear when she went walking wasn’t there,” he said.

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        • Maybe Allison’s phone was thrown into the deepest part of the creek ?
          Would that be feasible ?
          Do we know if they searched the creek for anything dumped ?
          ( phone or clothing )

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  52. For those in Court yesterday, I’m curious about the BC’s body language. OW was very nervous a few days ago.

    Any give-away signs reality from them? Or were they stoic as usual?

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    • Morning dd, I didn’t see them at all yesterday. I did see Mr Dickie as We sat in the same overflow as him. He was with a friend or family member or two.
      I noticed on Tuesday afternoon that the media seem to have given up on chasing the BC as they leave court…
      They must have been so disappointed as they grasped hands as soon as they stepped through the doors, only to be pretty much ignored BIG LOLS

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      • Yay, Bellabrissie. About time the media gave the cold shoulder to those people who seem to believe they’re stars at a Royal Command performance or something. Tough luck for retailers trying to sell purple winter clothing after this, huh ? 🙂

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  53. I am very curious as to what was in the note that GBC handed to the Balif to give to the Jury, the Balif gave it to the Judge instead. It really is ‘business as usual’ !!!!

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    • Jessy I’m still reeling about the fact he did it ! I wish the jury had been told although I can see why they weren’t. Apparently not even his own legal team knew he’d done it

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      • Hi BB! Just when we thought GBC couldn’t surprise us anymore, out comes the note he wrote.

        His Defence team would’ve seen his personality type (so-called Expert At Everything) for what it is, threw their hands in the air (should’ve gone running from the building when he decided to take the Stand!), and thought “Ok. We’ve not a hope in Hell after the deviation from the script. Let’s provide a crappy time-lapse of Kholo Tides, grab a Doctor and give him scant notes to go by. Then atleast we’ll look like we’ve done something”.

        GBC let his Defence team off the hook work-wise, really. I doubt the Judge would’ve batted an eyelid if they’d all set up picnic blankets, set out some Brie and crackers, and sat back with a glass of bubbly! Lol

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        • LOL Daydreamer 🙂

          I’m still struggling to believe he actually tried to pass a note to a jury ! While he was in court charged with murder ! Have you ever heard of it before? He must have thought he would get away with it or he wouldn’t have even considered it, let alone gone ahead and done it. Will we ever learn what the note said — wish we could. An entire team of psychiatrists would have nervous breakdowns from trying to work GBC out. He defies belief

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        • Wow we must have missed the note passing episode! Was it early on? We got there at around 10:45.
          Gawd, what next? He really does think his sh!t doesn’t stink doesn’t he?

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            • Someone who was in court yesterday reported late at night that one of the hold-ups was when GBC passed a note to the Baliff to be passed to the jury ! Apparently GBCs defence team didn’t know about it. The Baliff of course gave the note to the judge instead. Don’t think the jury was told about it. And now a few posts below this, someone’s reported that it wasn’t the first time GBC tried it !
              It’s so unbelievable. He thinks he’s Cary Grant in one of those old black and white movies 🙂 He doesn’t see to understand why everyone’s in the court. Maybe he thinks all this attention is his due just because he’s so fabulous. He probably waits for the media to approach him so he can give interviews. OR he’s trying now for an insanity defence. Who knows with him. Poor Allison — this is the nut job she had to put up with and hide it from the world out of shame

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        • Jessy —- whaaaaaat ? He did it more than once ? I don’t know whether to laugh or groan. He’s even more mental than I thought. This entire trial is entirely different to what I was expecting but GBCs remarks, smirks and now jury-tampering take things to the Twilight Zone. And every day, his mother smirking just the way Rolf Harris’ wife did …

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  54. GBC was asked whether he was concerned about TM meeting ABC at conference and he replied he wasnt. I would have gone further with my questioning and asked why he was not concerned with the 2 meeting the next day when TM clearly was. That would have been a’gotcha’ mmoment I would have thought. Or even simply ask what would ABC thought of GBC had she in fact made it to the conference and found out that her worst nightmare was there and even worse – still in a relationship with GBC.

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  55. A few people have asked me, ‘What really proves that GBC is Guilty? And I say to them, ‘it’s him having affairs, because psychopaths are usually promiscuous!

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  56. If GBC does get acquitted, he won’t be seeing his daughters very often, when he goes out shopping, people will be verbally abusing him because they think he’s guilty, it’s unlikely that someone will want to give him a job if they think he’s guilty, it’s unlikely he will even have a job, he will have a bad reputation, which he will hate since he’s got a big ego and finally he will live a boring, depressing life. So that’s what he get’s for murdering his wife, living a boring, depressing life and having a bad reputation which he’ll hate.

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    • Yes, TCR, that’s what I think too. People are saying they’ll go nuts if he gets off, but I’ve steeled myself to the possibility. After all, he can’t hurt Allison any more and decent people would avoid him if he walked free. Wouldn’t surprise me if he has a price on his head already, waiting for him to walk from the court, because he’s a liability to everyone he knows and he’s dragged so many through the mud with him. Getting rid of him permanently would be regarded as a wise move by some, imo.

      On the other hand, if he walks free, it will serve a lot of people right. It’s fine to waffle on in support of him while he’s safely at Arthur Gorrie, but will be a different story if he ends up sleeping in their spare room, unemployed and unemployable and in their pockets or even planning to do them in for their insurance while they’re busy cooking his breakfast. Sounds as if he’s been a stuff-up all his life. Judging by his performance at court alone, he isn’t going to stop being a stuff-up ever. Those who want to support him can have him for keeps if he gets off. Wouldn’t be long before they were tearing their hair out

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            • Oh, I see the reference. The Crime REsearcher didn’t say he ‘wouldn’t’ get his kids back. My interpretation of what TCR said is that his daughters would be in danger if they were in his company very often, not to mention they’d be humiliated and embarrassed. If I were one of GBC’s kids, I’d be coming up with excuses so I wouldn’t have to spend time with him — homework, late assignment, invited somewhere else for sleepover, etc. Kids are very sensitive about people’s perceptions and opinions. Even kids from normal families

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              • Ok….possibly, but none of us know what the kids actually think. We’re all just putting our own spin on how others think. It would appear that there was nothing in any of the girls statements to Police that suggested that their Father wasn’t just a fairly normal Dad.

                To me, there may have been a bit of conflict in how the kids were being raised.

                i.e. Not backing each other up when it came to rules and ordinary discipline.

                He wanted them to be children (with ordinary rules) and she wanted to be one of them…..that’s my take.

                Similar to parents living their life through their kids in an unfulfilled way. (think Footy parents on the side line)

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                • Thin edge of the wedge post here, one word wide if lucky

                  BR, photos of Allison’s daughters at the funeral show one holding her own hands with her arms pressed close to her body. Another daughter has her arms wrapped around herself. Only the youngest was prepared to hold GBC. As they say, a picture speaks a thousand words. Short time later, those same girls were happy to hold hands with the Dickies

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                  • Well, I guess it would have been hard for one person to hold six hands and photographers are renowned for trying to get the money shot….it’s how they put bread on the table. They’re just a part of the Media scrum/circus trying to outdo each other.

                    Kids instinctively hold hands when they’re offered….conditioning.

                    I wouldn’t read too much into one photo….regardless of the ‘picture/thousand words’ cliche. The Media go out of their way to portray people depending on which way the wind of public perception is blowing on any particular day.

                    It’s why our daily ‘rags’ are in the state they’re in. Soon “No Idea” will be the authoritative voice of world news.

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                    • I think that GBC was a cold disciplinarian and Allison a warm nurturing possibly permissive parent. I don’t know why the former business partners were not summoned on a number of matters including this. Remember, the “field signals”, abnormal quietness, the belting (makes me shudder, such little girls). Allison just wanted to do normal warm things at bedtime like stories, songs and cuddles while he expected them to just go off to bed. Probably saw all that stuff as mollycoddling.

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    • You’re right, TCR. He’d have to leave the area. Maybe his east African friends will take him in. That way he can have affairs with their wives and daughters and get them all to loan him big chunks of money, unsecured, lol

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    • Actually if he is acquitted his children will be returned to him. He won’t be lonely for long because he will find someone else who is financially stable and independent. He will then bleed them of all their savings and self worth. He will probably continue as a salesman as his only talent, deception is useful. My bet is that he will move to Canada where his brother resides.Othjer peoples opinion of him is less important as he believes that he is superior in every way. People are either useful to him or not.

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      • I agree Livvy about the ‘lonely’ issue.

        I imagine he’s got a string of women writing to him. He would have lost some, but gained considerably more.

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  57. Hi folks here is a little survey LJC2013 and I put together, it is also linked in the latest thread!


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    • It was way, way back in the early days of the investigation. It could be in a post here in the archives or in news reports or it could have been hearsay. I really am not sure, so much info was going around back then.

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  58. Little Fish

    Re your above. (The thread was disappearing into a string line which makes it unreadable on some devices)

    A few points…

    1. This is a “Crime” site and not a “Tribute” site. I checked this with Robbo before making my own first actual comment. You might want to ask Robbo to set up a Tribute Page if you don’t like discussing all of the vagaries of the human condition which contribute to “Crime”.
    2. The point I made about ‘living your life vicariously through your children’ is :

    – It’s very recognised and common.
    – Is often the cause of conflict in parenting styles…..and therefore conflict in the marriage leading to Domestics etc.
    – Can contribute to developmental problems in the child leading to more conflict, more Domestics.

    1. Why is this ‘unacceptable’ when there’s hundreds and hundreds of posts on this site being thrust towards the B-C family who aren’t on Trial and no suggestion from the Police that any of them ever will be i.e. :

    – Being ridiculed for being fat.
    – Being ridiculed for their choice of clothes.
    – Being ridiculed for the way they look.
    – Being ridiculed for supporting their son/brother/friend…..at HIS Trial.

    I think you’d find that the “Crime” would have been discussed in the Chambers of the Barristers for both sides touching on subjects far worse than I’ve mentioned…..because they need to, to get to the bottom of everything.

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      • Oh Lord, it’s hard to be humble… etc

      SIMPLY PUT, everyone discussed on this forum has a voice, EXCEPT Allison.
      With due respect, I have made comment about others using disparaging language during discussion to those associated.

      Therefore, below the belt when one starts judging another on their parenting skills etc when they don’t have a voice, and unless you are paying the bills I feel your own assumption and speculation on same is irrelevant.
      Allison, is not on trial here.

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    • Also, please don’t patronize nor lecture me on human nature, parenting, purpose of the site etc.
      Please don’t insult my intelligence, with your own pontificating.
      My finger will do the talking from now on…. Dang thing went on strike for a while there.
      My apologies to all other posters for this unnecessary interruption to the important task at hand.
      From this point forward, I will not waste valuable time and space with unnecessary dialogue.
      Those of you who have swum in the deep blue sea with this little fish know her idiosyncrasies.

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    • Oh dear. Lost a little something for you here BR. The comments were out of line, and how it contributed to the discussion of the crime escapes me (forgive me I am not a superwit). I had also given you some credit for understanding things like body language (re posts above) and also impacts of abuse/ NPD (on the children).

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  59. I wonder if we will learn the content of the note/s that GBC attmpted to have passed to the Jury.

    Might such be deemed to be a n attempt to interfere with a Jury, and carry charges accordingly, or will it be disregarded due to the court proceedures being more than adequate to prevent such.

    It would be most interesting to learn the content of the note.s.

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    • Do you know where the ‘note passing’ info came from? I’ve been following the News tweets to try and keep up with what’s been actually going on and I never saw anything about a note, a Court Orderly taking anything or anything that would indicate something like that happening.

      I’m not sure GBC would have had time to scratch himself going by the ‘rapid fire’ approach of the DPP. I’m also assuming that he comes straight from the Cells downstairs, into the Dock and then into the Witness Box.

      He would have had nothing in his possession.

      Anyone who was there? See anything?

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      • The reports of it I saw were here in this blog over the past few days.

        Prior to GBC being in the Witness Box, he was sometimes observed to be writing notes, some of which were passed to his defense team.

        It may have been during this period that he attempted to have a note or notes passed to the jury, however, the reports said that the court attendant passed them to the judge instead.

        There was also some other mysterious event about a week ago that occurred after the Jury had left the court, and of which all in the galleries were sworn to secrecy over, as if the revealing of such information would derail the trial.

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        • Thanks Dan. It’s quite possible that any ‘notes’ were probably destined for his own Legal Team. I’m wondering how anyone knew the notes were for the Jury?

          The ‘mysterious event’ wasn’t related, just a reasonably common event in these sort of Trials.

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              • Well that would now be a moot point because I sure I saw someone write that this happened after the jury had left the room? Maybe he was just trying to hand the judge his business card… :))))

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  60. They’ve ‘moved on’ Dan.

    ‘Let it go’

    ‘Turned the page’….specifically to the next one.

    Once you get it out of your pants you’re more than welcome to join us.

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  61. I pray I’m wrong but I have a very unsettled feeling that he’s going to get off… Just not enough to really put him there I.e DNA connection. I find it weird they couldn’t find any of his DNA in the back of the car or on her clothes… Maybe it was too contaminated by the creek. I read in one report that a bit of surgical glove tip was found in the inside of her jumper… I think the forensic guy assumed it was one of the rescuers who retrieved her body but if so, why didn’t they confirm that as coming from them? You would notice the fingertip part of glove missing? Surely. If not then perhaps it belonged to GBC and he was wearing gloves whilst smothering Allison. She may have ripped it in her desperation to stay alive…? Is that plausible?

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    • GBC may have used surgical gloves when he smothered or strangled Allison, and it is quite possible the tip of a finger from the glove got caught as he dragged and dropped her, but there are so many small snippets of information that have been reported that could be useful pointers but were not raised in the trial, I wonder if the prosecution deliberately left out such matters in order to keep the case simple, I.E,
      GBC was leading a Double Life,
      GBC was in Dire Financial Trouble,
      GBC Checked the Balance of Allison’s Super and Life Assurance Policies,
      GBC was about to be discovered as having resumed his Affair with the Mistress while supposedly accepting Counseling to regain his Wife’s Trust,
      There were multiple reports from Neighbors of a Disturbance and Screams from the direction of their home on the evening concerened,
      GBC had scratches to his face consistent with Fingernails,
      GBC’s claims the Scratchers were from a Razor were deemed unlikely,
      Allison’s Blood was found in the rear and on the side of her two month old car.

      My gut feel is that the Jury will be quite satisfied that he was leading a double life, was in dire straits financially, lying to everyone as to the state of the Business, who he was really in love with (Actually, the only person he really loved was Himself). The prosecution have demonstrated to the jury that he was a perpetual liar, and they will know that they cannot take his own testimony as having any merit.

      Methinks he will be found guilty. The Fingernail Scratches are what destroys his story of the events of the night concerned. Allison had her final say.

      It is also my guess that GBC will be looking for any opportunity to appeal both the conviction andf the sentence.

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  62. I don’t know about a ‘perpetual liar’. Sure, when it came to his adultery he certainly did lie to his wife and try and cover that up, but he wouldn’t be Robinson Crusoe there.

    If he’s to be judged as a lying adulterer, he’d be in some fairly powerful company of men and women.

    If he was a perpetual liar you’d think that in a tight knit community he’d be outed at the first opportunity…..yet he held some fairly important Community roles, none of which have been challenged. None of his staff called him a liar, nor any of his Business associates….apart from saying he owed them money, Again, not a perpetual liar…..just a struggling small business owner who didn’t need the floods to hit when they did and kept a ‘positive’ face as Business owners do.

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    • I don’t know about “not a perpetual liar” – you believe they are shaving cuts then? What about lying to a range of people (eg colleagues, family, counsellors) about a range of things (affairs, state of marriage, leaving wife, staying with wife, state of the business, the position of their money, paying them back, cutting face with razor). What about the continual self-contradictions: eg “bones of our arse” vs “confident I would trade out”.
      Not a perpetual liar? I must have trust issues.

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  63. As far as the glove tip goes, what’s telling about that is that the Prosecution hasn’t raised it. I think the Autopsy report actually says that it’s probably from someone after she was found i.e. not GBC.

    For the Prosecution not to raise it and the Defence not to raise it to show contamination of the Crime Scene, it sounds like a deal was struck and it would have been a hefty deal if it was in exchange for a contamination issue of the Crime Scene.

    In other words….”You don’t raise this and we won’t raise that.”

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    • Hi BR
      Re the issue of GBC being a Perpetual Liar, there is much said about him being a Narcissistic Sociopath, and if such is the case, then lying about everything he does would be the norm.

      I have a relative who is a sociopath, and she managed to worm her way into one of my sisters families, and it was quite a few years before the members of that family realised what they were dealing with.

      Sociopaths are like a subspecies of the Human Race, and while their conduct is totally unacceptable, they are nonetheless incredibly powerful. Unless you have witnessed their impact firsthand, it would not be possible for you to appreciate the influence and impact they can have on those they interact with.

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      • Thanks Dan.

        All the talk about him being a Narcissistic Sociopath has been on Forums which is the usual fodder for Internet forums. The Crown certainly didn’t produce any Expert to draw that conclusion, so they’ll just be making a bit of filibuster in the summing up to try and drive that point. If they seriously thought he is they’d produce the goods….. they didn’t.

        Australian author Ann MANN (spl?) was interviewed on Radio National yesterday (Saturday Mornings), she’s just written another book on the prevalence of Narcissism in society.

        According to her, everyone has got a bit of Narcissism in them which can be healthy or over the top and everything in between.

        She quoted some world class experts about these behaviors who said that a lot of these people aren’t ‘Narcissists’ …..they’re just ‘jerks’….which sort of sums it up.

        Her full blown ‘Narcissist’ was the Norwegian Anders Breyvik (spl?) with his manifesto and complete and absolute disregard for his victims.

        GBC certainly does appear to be a bit of a jerk, but he’s no Anders Breyvik by a long shot.

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        • While GBC may not be anywhere near the Narcissistic Sociopath that Anders Breivik is, there is still a massive range of degrees of the condition beyond just being a jerk, and regardless of the absence of any expert witness to attest to GBC being such, his own testimony conveyed all of the attributes of such.

          I suspect the Prosecution did not choose to explore or present the possibility or probability of him being a Sociopath as being a Narcissist and/or a Sociopath is not a crime, but a personality disorder, and to present the issue could be seen as providing mitigating circumstances.

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          • Sure, but either side could have put him before the Mental Health Court for an assessment and neither saw the need. But, as we know he’s sticking to the “not me” defence in it’s totality, so he doesn’t even want an Impairment assessment.

            The Crown have dug in also. If they’d got a supposedly easy “Impairment” then he’d be held ‘indefinitely’….at Her Majesties Pleasure in the Looney bin. There’s plenty of people rotting away in those places.

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  64. Given my love for the spirit world, I’m really into numbers, particularly consecutive numbers.
    Can someone play the Twilight Zone music please for Gerard!
    So today is 7 / 7/ 2014
    7+7 = 14 7/7/14
    7/ 7/ (2+0+1+4) 777
    7+7+7 = 21 Century 21
    2014 (20 – 14) = 6 6 plant types found on Allison’s body

    Let the planets align, the numbers stack up…JUDGEMENT DAY is ALMOST HERE!!!

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