Gerard Baden-Clay Trial-Day 17


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Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC will continue his closing address to the jury today.

10:09am: Court is in session.

Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC has turned his attention again to the pressures mounting on Gerard Baden-Clay in the weeks before his wife’s disappearance.

Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay admitted his wife no longer trusted him to marriage counsellor Carmel Ritchie.

“He is there because his wife wants him there. He just wants to get on with his life and wants to wipe the slate clean,” Mr Fuller said.

The Baden-Clays visited Ms Ritchie on Monday, April 16, 2012.

Mrs Baden-Clay disappeared four days later.

10:11am: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay and his long-time mistress Toni McHugh were still in daily contact in April 2012.

Mr Baden-Clay has claimed Ms McHugh pursued him.

But Mr Fuller pointed to emails Mr Baden-Clay sent to Ms McHugh in April telling her he loved her.

“His responses are completely inconsistent with his claims,” Mr Fuller said.

10:14am: Mr Baden-Clay is seated in the dock wearing a dark suit, yellow tie and glasses.

His sister Olivia Walton and brother Adam Baden-Clay are seated directly behind him in the public gallery.

Mrs Baden-Clay’s parents, Priscilla and Geoff Dickie, are seated on the opposite side of the courtroom with Detective Superintendent Mark Ainsworth who oversaw the police investigation.

10:16am: Earlier, the court heard members of the jury were “approached” on Tuesday.

Justice john Byrne thanked the jurors for bringing the “approach” to his attention and said the Court Sheriff would investigate the matter.

10:23am: Mr Fuller has turned his attention to the phone conversation between Mr Baden-Clay and Ms McHugh on the evening of April 19, 2012.

The pair had a seven minute conversation from 5.03pm and then a 10 minute conversation at 5.15pm.

“Between 5.03pm and about 5.40pm he is taking to Toni McHugh with a couple of interruptions, 30 odd minutes,” Mr Fuller said.

“What sort of things do they talk about? Their days, what they are doing, she knows he’s at the supermarket buying sausages.

“But we know that that’s inflamed once he says, ‘oh there’s something I need to tell you’.”

The court has previously heard Ms McHugh and Mrs Baden-Clay were due to come face-to-face for the first time at a real estate conference the following day.

“He tells you he’s not worried about these two women coming together … but he continues in this conversation to raise it,” Mr Fuller said.

“And even in the words that he uses, ‘two of my employees are going’.

“He doesn’t even have the courage to say straight up that Allison is going to be there tomorrow when he knows that she is going to the conference.”

The court has previously heard Ms McHugh flew into a rage and demanded Mr Baden-Clay tell his wife of the impending run-in.

“You might think that’s a significant pressure on him,” Mr Fuller said.

10:31am: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay faced having his double life exposed at the run-in between his wife and his love.

“You see he had tried to live without Toni McHugh and he couldn’t do it,” Mr Fuller said.

“When an ultimatum came a second time which choice would he make?”

Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay a choice on April 19. He said Mr Baden-Clay was “either going to be a coward or a fool”, or “the man who makes the decisions in is marriage” and tell his wife of the looming meeting.

“You may think the personal risks to him both professionally and in his own family life were huge,” Mr Fuller said.

He said Mr Baden-Clay’s marriage and circle of friends was at jeopardy, as well as his business.

“You add that to the scratches on his face, the leaves in her hair, the blood in her car,” Mr Fuller said.

10:38am: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay immediately spoke of his affair when asked about his marriage by police on the morning he reported his wife missing, despite not wanting his family to know.

10:42am: Mr Fuller has examined the first text message Mr Baden-Clay sent his wife on the morning he reported his wife missing.

The text message sent at 6.41am read: “Al, getting concerned. Where are you? The app doesn’t say either? H and S now up. I’m dressed and about to make lunches. Please just text me back or call! Love, G.”

Mr Baden-Clay told police it was not unusual for his wife to take early morning walks.

Mr Fuller noted Mr Baden-Clay did not ask his wife what she would be home from her walk in the text message.

And he noted Mr Baden-Clay made reference to the “Find My Phone” application the couple had installed on their mobile phones.

“Why is that in the text message?” Mr Fuller asked.

10:45am: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay did not call his wife’s family and friends until 8am.

He called his parents and his close friends first.

10:52am: Mr Fuller has turned his attention to a list of questions in Mrs Baden-Clay’s diary.

The questions relate to Mr Baden-Clay’s affair with Ms McHugh.

“These were rudimentary questions. How many times did you go to the movies? What did you see? Did you kiss and hug?” Mr Fuller said.

Mr Baden-Clay has claimed he and his wife discussed those questions on the night of Wednesday April 18, 2012.

“These questions and the answers that he gave were asked on the 19th, you might think,” Mr Fuller told the jury.

He said Mr Baden-Clay had made passing reference to having a 15 minute conversation on the night of the 19th with his wife in two interviews with police.

The couple had been advised by marriage counsellor Carmel Ritchie to sit for 15 minutes each night to allow Mrs Baden-Clay to air her feelings about the affair.

10:57am: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay did not call his wife’s parents until 9.51am on the morning she disappeared.

He did not call his wife’s best friend Kerri-Anne Walker until 9.58am.

Mrs Baden-Clay had been missing for three hours by that time.

10:57am: Court has adjourned for a morning tea break and will resume at 11.15am.

11:17am: Court has resumed and Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller has continued his closing address to the jury.

Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay failed to tell police he had argued with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh on the night he last saw his wife.

11:18am: Mr Fuller said he also failed to tell police he contacted Ms McHugh the day after reporting his wife missing.

“This time he tells her he loves her,” Mr Fuller said.

“The man who tells you he tried to break up with her so many times …

“He had throughout his relationship with her manipulated her, you might think.”

11:23am: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay was a man concerned only for himself.

“It’s all about him, his life, his business, his needs,” he said.

11:26am: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay was at risk of being exposed a serial adulterer and a failed businessman on the night his wife disappeared.

“The way he was finally exposed in this trial,” Mr Fuller said.

“So you can see what he had to lose ladies and gentleman.

“It wasn’t about the pressures on her, her mental health, her drug use, her wondering off in the middle of the night completely inexplicably.

“This was a man having to deal with the consequences of his own actions, actions over a long period of time.

“Perhaps he felt he had no other choice, no other choice but to take his wife’s life?

“When a decision had to be made, that decision was made.”

11:29am: “Is it highly unusual for him to kill his wife? The Crown says it isn’t because that’s what he did,” Mr Fuller said.

Of the alleged struggle between Mr Baden-Clay and his wife on the night of April 19, 2012, Mr Fuller said: “It was personal, it was close, it was violent.”

11:30am: “He wanted to wipe the slate clean,” Mr Fuller said.

With those words, the prosecution rests.

11:34am: Justice John Byrne has begun his summing up of the case for the jury.

He will direct them on their duties and explain the nature of evidence in a criminal trial and the notion of reasonable doubt.

11:38am: Justice Byrne has advised the jury to decide the case “exclusively upon the evidence”.

“If, outside this courtroom, you have herd or read, or otherwise become aware of information about the events with which this trial is concerned or about the accused, it is of critical importance that you put any such information completely out of your minds,” he said.

“Have regard only to the testimony, the exhibits, and the admissions made here in this courtroom since the trial began.

“Ensure that no external influence plays part in your deliberations.”

11:52am: “In order to convict, you must be satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt, of the elements that made of the offence charged,” Justice Byrne said“As no one claims to have seen the accused kill his wife, this is a circumstantial case.”Circumstantial evidence is evidence of circumstances that can be relied upon not as proving a fact directly but instead pointing it its existence …”It is not necessary that facts be proved by direct evidence.”

11:54am: “To bring in a verdict of guilty … guilt should not only be a rational inference, it must be the only rational inference that could be drawn from the circumstances,” Justice Byrne said.

 

12:16pm: Justice Byrne has explained how the jury may convict Gerard Baden-Clay of murder.

“Before you convict the accused of murder, you must be satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt of two distinct matters:

* That he caused the death of his wife; and

* That he did so with an intention to kill her or at least to cause her some grevious bodily harm.

“Neither the prosecution nor the defence contend for manslaughter.”

12:38pm: Justice Byrne has recounted the evidence of forensic pathologist Dr Nathan Milne who conducted a post-mortem examination of Mrs Baden-Clay’s body.He has reminded the jury Dr Milne could not determine a cause of Mrs Baden-Clay’s death.
12:39pm: Mr Baden-Clay is seated in the dock with his hands folded in his lap.He has shown no emotion.
1:00pm: Court has adjourned for lunch and will resume at 2.30pm when Justice John Byrne will continue his summing up for the jury, revisiting the evidence presented by each witness in the trial.

2:32pm: Court has resumed.

Justice John Byrne has turned his attention to the issue of Mrs Baden-Clay’s history of depression.

2:48pm: Justice Byrne has reviewed the evidence of defence witness forensic psychiatrist Dr Mark Schramm who spoke of the nature of depression and suicide.Dr Schramm said Mrs Baden-Clay may have been on the verge of relapse into her depression, but could not say if she was “actively depressed” at the time of her disappearance.Justice Byrne has also pointed to the evidence of Relationships Australia counsellor Carmel Ritchie who saw Mr and Mrs Baden-Clay on Monday, April 16, 2012.

She recalled Mr Baden-Clay saying: “I want to build a future together, not regressing. I want to get on with life and wipe it clean.”

The prosecutor used those same words to finish his closing address to the jury earlier today.

2:53pm: There was a commotion in the courtroom when a juror’s chair broke during Justice Byrne’s summing up.A replacement chair was quickly found by the bailiff and Justice John Byrne continued with his address.

3:02pm Recap: Earlier, Justice Byrne told the jury it could consider the lessor charge of manslaughter.“You may wish to consider first murder, which is the more serious [charge],” he said.”If you find the accused guilty of murder, you do not need to consider manslaughter.

“But if you find the accused not guilty of murder, then consider the alternative of manslaughter.”

3:03pm: Justice Byrne has recounted the evidence heard at the trial about the blood stain found in the boot of Mrs Baden-Clay’s Holden Captiva.The blood, he said, was matched to Mrs Baden-Clay’s DNA.

Allison Baden-Clay's car when it was examined by forensic experts.
Allison Baden-Clay’s car when it was examined by forensic experts. Photo: Court Exhibit

3:14pm: Justice Byrne has turned his attention to the injuries which appeared on Mr Baden-Clay’s face on the morning he reported his wife missing.He has recalled the evidence from the forensic experts who testified about the scratches at the trial.* Dr Margaret Stark, a specialist forensic physician, said the “yellowy” injuries on Mr Baden-Clay’s face were “typical of fingernail scratches”.

* Dr Robert Hoskins said the “browny, raggedy-edged” abrasions were “characteristic of fingernail scratches”. In the opinion of Dr Hoskins it was “extremely implausible” that those injuries were caused by Mr Baden-Clay’s razor blade, as he claimed.

Like Dr Stark, Dr Hoskins also found the fingernails on Mrs Baden-Clay’s left hand could have caused the scratches on her husband’s face.

* Forensic medical examiner Dr Leslie Griffiths said the injuries on Mr Baden-Clay’s face resembled “abrasions”, not “cuts or nicks” that a razor blade might cause.

* Forensic physician Professor David Wells, who assessed photographs of the scratches on Mr Baden-Clay’s face said, “I can’t see how a razor blade from that type of razor … could produce that pattern of injuries.

3:22pm: Justice Byrne has turned his attention to the issue of “lies” and the prosecutions allegations that the Mr Baden-Clay lied about how he sustained the scratches on his face.“It would be wrong to approach the case on the basis that, if the accused told lies, he must have killed his wife,” he said.”If you find that what the accused said about injuring himself while shaving was false, still there is more for you to consider.

“Sometimes, where there appears to be a departure from the truth, it may not be possible to say that a deliberate lie has been told …

“If you conclude that the accused lied because he realised that the truth would implicate him in killing his wife, you would need carefully also to consider whether the lie reveals a consciousness of guilt.”

3:23pm: Court has been adjourned for a 10 minute break.

3:40pm: Court has resumed.

Justice Byrne has turned his attention to the notion of intent.

“You cannot use his disposal of her body – if that is what he did – as supplying proof of an intention to kill his wife,” he said.

“Before you may use the accused’s conduct as tending to prove an implied admission of either element, you must first be satisfied that the conduct is not explicable on some other, unrelated basis.”

3:47pm: Justice Byrne has turned to Mr Baden-Clay’s evidence.

Mr Baden-Clay stepped into the witness box on the 11th day of the trial.

He denied killing his wife and maintained that the injuries on his face were shaving cuts, not fingernail scratches inflicted by his wife.

3:54pm: Mr Baden-Clay is sitting motionless in the dock as Justice Byrne continues his summing up.

Homicide detectives, including Superintendent Mark Ainsworth, remain in the front row of the public gallery.

4:16pm: Justice Byrne has reached the final page of his summing up to the jury.

4:20pm: Justice Byrne has concluded his summing up of the evidence presented at the trial, apologising to the jury for any repetition.

He said he would summarise the closing addresses of the prosecution and defence from 10am tomorrow.

Court has adjourned.

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Gerard Baden-Clay murder trial: Prosecutor tells jury of ‘close-up violence’ between couple before wife’s death

The prosecution in the Gerard Baden-Clay murder trial has described a violent struggle during which Allison Baden-Clay left scratches on her husband’s face as she fought for her life.

Prosecutor Todd Fuller told the Supreme Court jury in Brisbane there was “close-up violence” and “there was a struggle and she left her mark on him”.

He was referring to scratches, seen on Baden-Clay’s face in photographs shown to the jury, which the accused had described as shaving cuts.

But the prosecutor said the scratches were typical of fingernail injuries. They were “damning and linking to the act of violence,” he said.

Mr Fuller said the scratches suggested “someone striking out in the only fashion they could” against Baden-Clay.

He said Allison “was overpowered quickly and unable to resist”.

“While he inflicted upon her injuries that caused her death, the lack of injuries to him speaks as much of the nature of the violence used on her as the scratch on the face,” he said.

“It was efficient and effective. What can be in the mind of the person who’s carrying that act out, other than the intended outcome?”

Mr Fuller made his remarks as the prosecution summed up its case against the former real estate agent, who is accused of murdering his wife and dumping her body under a bridge in April 2012.

Baden-Clay has pleaded not guilty.

Mr Fuller said Baden-Clay’s multiple infidelities proved he had the “bravado and confidence” to try to get away with killing his wife.

He said the affairs with more than one colleague showed “the level of deception, it shows you what this man is capable of doing, his level of bravado and confidence in what he can carry out and carry off”.

Allison had tried to share her husband’s passions and energy and he had repaid her by telling staff that he still loved another woman, Mr Fuller said.

The prosecutor said it was very unlikely Allison walked from her home in Brookfield 13 kilometres to where her body was found at Kholo Creek bridge.

“You can safely assume her body was dumped where it was found, 13 kilometres from her home,” Mr Fuller said.

“She did not fall or jump down there, she was thrown down there.”

The prosecutor said six types of leaves found in Allison’s hair were also found at her home and the only rational conclusion was that her head came into contact with the leaves at her house, perhaps during a struggle while she was unconscious and she was dragged.

Mr Fuller also highlighted blood found in one of the family cars, describing it as a piece of circumstantial evidence that points to violence.

The prosecutor said the strength of the circumstantial case lay in the accumulation of objective facts.

“These facts lead to an inevitable conclusion,” he said.

“The crown says the killing was this man’s reaction to a particular set of circumstances … over time. A set of circumstances which with respect were of his own making.”

The prosecutor’s submissions will be followed by a summation by Justice John Byrne, before the jury retires to consider its verdict.

Earlier, defence lawyer Michael Byrne finished his closing statement to jurors, saying Baden-Clay was not the sort of person who would kill his wife in cold blood.

“He is not the sort of person who would cold-bloodedly kill his wife, nor would he explode in a rage of temper,” Mr Byrne said.

Mr Byrne told the court the cause of Allison’s death could not be determined, leaving open the possibilities she could have drowned, fallen or jumped from a height, or died from alcohol or anti-depressant poisoning.

He said there was a lack of evidence in the prosecution’s case.

“If you are left with a reasonable doubt, it is your duty to acquit,” Mr Byrne said.

 

 

 

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350 thoughts on “Gerard Baden-Clay Trial-Day 17”

  1. Nice happy snaps that Gerry took.

    Had to laugh at “The A Team arriving”. Boyle and Fuller wandering along nothing in hands flanking the pint sized female pushing the massive trolley with files…….on their way to Court to talk about GBC’s mysogyny. 🙂

    I liked the Olivia shots. Very strong looking woman and extremely photogenic.

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    1. Trying to conflate the prosecution team’s junior member’s duties, regardless of sex, with GBC’s ‘mysogyny’ .. erm narcissistic murderous pathology is, frankly, pulling a long bow

      As for Olivia being ‘photogenic’.. hehe .. well, like a bollard, she does reflect light back to the camera’s lens

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    2. Can’t agree on your OW opinions BR which I would no matter what I thought of her inner unattractiveness towards those she purports to ‘love’.
      I found the word ‘extremely’ an unusually profound and very personal choice to describe a photo you obviously savoured.

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      1. That’s why most blokes go to “How’s them Broncos” when deep and meaningfuls start. Every word is scrutinised and analysed for faults.

        It’s a photo of a nice looking woman who I did say is extremely photogenic….big deal.

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        1. Sorry didn’t mean to offend your sensibilities BR. You have to admit you can dish it out….was just checkin’ if you could take as well. You scrutinise/analyse daily on here much to our delight.
          You have every right to absolutely adore ‘OW” ..err and her photos 😉

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            1. I know I’m going to get shot to pieces for this but I actually agree with BR on this ducks for cover … I was standing next to her yesterday morning entering the court and she is actually a very striking looking girl. Disregarding the inside, she’s quite attractive…

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      2. What I found peculiar with respet to the photographs was the facial expressions. I won’t elaborate on that, as we all see different things from a visual perspective. In fact, some can’t read a facial expression, full stop. Sad. But then that is another condition again for another day, another dollar. Those people are generally blunt, opinionated, he or she who must be obeyed and generally have the hide of a rhinoceros and completely unaware of the impact of their language, facial and phsycial expression on others:-)

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    3. BR …. ‘extremely photogenic’ ??

      So what happened to that alleged photogenic quality when she was grimacing and chewing her lip and squinting at the media while GBC whined like a puppy with his ‘little bit hurt’, huh?

      Another: glaring and doing her best Swartzenegger impersonation during the manly wrestle with the steering wheel when suddenly the media wasn’t all roses and sympathy?

      Or, how about the insane Mad Brumby gallop across the lawn as she relived childhood cowboy and indian games during her melodramatic dash to help GBC ‘escape the meedyu’ ?

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      1. You must have secret access to photos that I don’t BB.

        I can only go by what I see and that’s candid shots of her arriving or leaving Court. She nearly always looks confident and ….well….normal.

        We all grimace and make funny facial expressions for all sorts of reasons and not necessarily because we’re angry or sad.

        It’s a bit like people who fold their arms and are attacked for being ‘defensive’ because the attacker has seen a 30 minute Alan Pease TV “Special”.

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  2. Thank you to all those off to Court today in support of Allison, her family and friends.

    Not long now till we all hear those words ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’ , I’m betting on the 1st word 🙂
    Have a nice day all.
    Little Fish, loved your post from yesterday and moonraker, so pleased to see you back. I will miss you all when this is over.

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      1. Hi LJC, hasn’t TF done an absolutely marvellous job. Was impressed in gerryrocks photos to see TF wearing a yellow tie, shows his compassion and respect to Allison and her family. I love TF x

        TY gerryrocks for your marvellous Photography.

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        1. He has, Jessy. And that’s not just my bias for the prosecution showing… He was actually just fantastic at bringing it all together and did so in a way that keeps people interested 🙂 Love his compassion!!

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          1. On our way onto court Jessie for what is expected to be a very interesting day, probably one of the most interesting thus far.
            Hope to hear Justice Byrnes address to the jury before they retire to consider their verdict. 🙂
            Almost there Allison

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            1. Looking forward to reading your Court updates Bella and LJC,

              I hear OBW just walked in all smiles. That Baden Clay Product will never cease to amaze me in their behaviour. If it was my Son or Brother on the stand I would be in tears.

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                1. Caro- OW is infamous for her arrogance especially mugging for media photos and our Gerry. And no doubt attempting to shake our over whelming confidence in Todd Fuller. Impossible on that score. 🙂

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            1. Haha no but I just saw him coming out of the lift. I really think I’m in love. Just my type, tall, slender-ish, glasses, dark hair and fighter of all injustice flutters eyelashes

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                1. Yes, Fuller’s attractive. But he needs to speak out if the jury’s not sequestered. Otherwise all we’ve paid for is theatre

                  There have been attempts at jury-tampering right there in the damn court and it’s been reported by mainstream media

                  If it happens in court surrounded by dozens of witnesses, who would be naïve to the extent they don’t expect jury-tampering to occur with a jury which is not sequestered? Not me

                  If I want theatre I’ve got many options far more entertaining than the GBC trial

                  This trial is supposed to deliver justice, not entertainment

                  Fuller and his peers should be screaming from the rooftops if the jury isn’t sequestered, imo

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                  1. You are right BB – if tampering could be attempted in court, what may not happen outside court??? After all we are not dealing with people who play by the rules….a bit of a worry….

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                2. Oh oh oh the dimple! And he has kind eyes too, up close. If I was in bed with him, I’d just say “oh Todd, public-speak to me! Give me a closing argument” lol

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  3. Todd Fuller has truly been amazing in his summation of circumstantial evidence..
    I am sure GBC is shivering in his booties….but in saying that..maybe not…such an actor..even playing with his own body language..so fake..
    Bring it home Toddy Boy!

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  4. I dare say, after this is over, I wonder if the next big thing could be another arrest…
    One thing I’m sure of, there will be an appeal!

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    1. What’s the first things you do when you think someone is missing? (If you’re a parent you’ve experienced this a few times at least)

      1. Try to phone the person
      2. Contact all their friends & family they may have gone to visit.
      3. Contact the other staff member who may have collected her early.
      4. Put kids in car & franticly drive the streets looking in first available car.
      5. Call all friends & family to help search.
      6. Call police once you’ve exhausted your combined search.

      What GBC did in the first 40 minutes:
      1. Sent an sms
      2. Shaved, showered & ready for work
      3. Phoned his parents
      4. Drove around making work calls
      5. Called the police

      What GBC did in the first 2 hours:
      1. Sent an sms
      2. Shaved & showered
      3. Phoned his parents
      4. Drove around making work calls
      5. Called the police
      6. Disclosed an affair
      7. Called solicitor

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        1. As Bella pointed out early in the Trial……

          The Police actually turning up to a missing adult so quickly.

          Normally they’d get ‘interested’ about the next day.

          IF that is the case, then the same thinking could apply to a fairly dispassionate spouse.

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          1. Actually BR if it’s a person who is suddenly missing and is normally punctual and no other physical or emotional concerns they start straight away. that I definitely know for certain.

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            1. Some might…most don’t.

              That’s why they’d wait…..the significant marriage difficulties and people ‘going’ missing of their own accord only to return later.

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            2. ‘Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay was at risk of being exposed a serial adulterer and a failed businessman on the night his wife disappeared.

              I suppose you could sum the meaning of this sentence up in one word ‘fraud’… which made me think how interesting it is, that some of us who in reality are quite successful, or reasonably confident at something, can have these nagging thoughts of being a fraud due to a lack of arrogance and yes, self-esteem and yet on the other hand, a person who is a failure in many areas and survives with a heavy dose of BS to convonce, might not consider themselves so.

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        2. I have come home an hour late from various places, my family never thought of phoning the police!!! Why the certainty that ‘something;s wrong’???

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          1. Thats what I keep thinking…I kept hoping it had something to do with the disappearance of her phone i.e she rang 000 or something so they had been alerted the night before.

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  5. “He stood up”…FULLER.
    “He sat down”….FULLER
    “He looked out of the window”…..FULLER
    “He blinked”……FULLER

    JEEEEZUZ!!!!!!

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  6. Even the Courier mail is getting bored…

    David Murray @TheMurrayD
    Other questions. The layout of her house. Birthdays. How paid for hotels #badenclay

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  7. Like Jessy said, a big thank you to those who have attended Court.

    It’s wonderful to see justice almost done for Allison and her family and friends.

    I’ve been thinking a lot about there not being enough DNA underneath her fingernails to fulfil the requirements to confirm a complete match. I’m now certain they did make a match but couldn’t use it as evidence. I pray they’ve kept the evidence for the day technology catches up in order to use the profile to finally cement once and for all that GBC did this.

    Judgment Day is coming, GBC and I can’t wait for the day that I can use your “GG” euphemism and change it to “GG” for “Guilty Gerard”.

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      1. Sorry BR I disagree. The victims hands are always bagged by police in case of scratching. And scratches are usually consistent with someone trying to fight back. How often do we hear someone’s DNA has been recovered from under the fingernails of a victim and that has led police to the killer.

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        1. Sure i Candy…in cases of random attacks from strangers it would still show that the victim assaulted the other person. Not necessarily that the other person assaulted the victim.

          It’s a starting point to find out what happened…..not a smoking gun.

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          1. You are full of it BR. I haven’t posted here for a year or so but was here from the start and have been lurking the last few weeks again. Some find you amusing, I actually find your posts largely irrational and irresponsible. Lilli

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            1. Well, thanks for that Lilli.

              But, you ummm,….. don’t want to say which of my posts that you’d like to expose and give your ‘correct’ version?

              Just a general spray?

              Back to ‘lurking’ for you Lilli…..it appears that’s what you’re pretty good at.

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            2. Thank you for your honesty chi..chi….

              I have had my say and promised not to engage in throwing kero on the fire anymore. In a bar, and not at the bar, a brawl would have ensued long before now to solve it.

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        2. “To bring in a verdict of guilty … guilt should not only be a rational inference, it must be the only rational inference that could be drawn from the circumstances,” Justice Byrne said.”

          “Before you convict the accused of murder, you must be satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt of two distinct matters:
          * That he caused the death of his wife; and
          * That he did so with an intention to kill her or at least to cause her some grevious bodily harm.
          “Neither the prosecution nor the defence contend for manslaughter.”

          On my scales of justice, after all that has been seen, heard, said, reported etc I can only see one result here.

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        1. Your tea leaves are letting you down Moonraker.

          I painted the front of my house….a lovely grey with a tint of purple.

          Now I’m eating a big fat salad sandwich…..sitting down.

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          1. LOL touché BR. Btw I don’t have any tea leaves. Glad you’re chilling. In all seriousness I do need to start painting next week. I did get your colour scheme you cheeky devil you.

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            1. Funnily enough Moonraker I’ve had that paint sitting here waiting for me before purple became the colour du jour. (Dunno what colour is in Frog. Colerrrrrr said with a nasally twang perhaps?)

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  8. David Murray @TheMurrayD
    She’d been to the hairdresser the night before. The conference was important – Fuller #badenclay

    “Conference” aka ‘you pay money and sit in the audience and we’ll talk at you’.

    There’ll be people there in jeans and t’shirts.

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      1. Presactly KenmoreMUM.

        Just making light of the Crowns grandiose statements. They all do it.

        The ‘Conference’ was “important” to the people selling the tickets to attend.

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  9. Good point Todd Fuller. Gerry contacts TMcH and wants to meet with her to explain about the other affairs. Is that the actions of a man that just want to placate his mistress? Oh boy GBC – her learning about your other affairs was the “out” you claim you wanted – her deciding to tell you where to go. But you GBC instead wanted to explain to avoid her wanting out.

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    1. Dora
      I’m pretty sure that everyone (including GBC) has painted him as your classic philanderer.

      He wouldn’t have wanted Toni to hang around. He’d want to start on his next conquest.

      Toni’s problem was that she did keep hanging around.

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      1. Sorry GM, but on this one you’re just plain wrong. She wasn’t just hanging around. He wanted her there and would tell her whatever he needed to in order to make her. This was nothing but a huge game to him. Seeing what he could get away with, how far he could push her. That’s the only part Todd got wrong. He never loved anyone involved. I can’t tell you how I know it because there is no proof I can offer… It’s just something I know. Gut. Intuition. Whatever.

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        1. I agree with your gizzards GG.

          He never loved anyone….which is why he’d never leave to be with Toni….or anyone else for that matter.

          He just liked the pursuit.

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      2. I disagree with you BR. There is nothing in all the evidence I have read that would lead me to conclude he genuinely wanted “out” from his relationship with TMcH. I do believe however she was only one of the reasons (and not the most important) for his actions on the night of 19th April 2012. A wise person once said – judge not by what is said. Judge by what is done because words can be lies and actions speak the truth. He contacted TMcH and rekindled the affair. He contacted her at a time when she was moving on. She had stopped contact with him.

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        1. Thanks Dora

          I’d put that down to GBC just having a ‘free’ day in his Black Book.

          If he did pursue her again, I’d say that he wanted to be the one calling the shots and not being ‘dumped’.

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          1. Exactly BR – that’s why you’d know he was lying when he gave evidence that he was just placating her because he worried about her emotional state if he told her to “rack off”. That concern for her was why he was wanting her to come to the conclusion herself and dump him – i.e. her idea – then she not upset. – Well that is his story. LOL

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            1. Good points Dora.

              I’d also imagine that his concern for her ’emotional state’ related to him sitting in the Coffee Club and her decorating his head with a New York Baked Cheesecake….or worse….Black Forest Gateau.

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  10. This guy’s gotta go. I mean, there’s too much of his behaviour that’s inconsistent. The underlying theme of this man’s life – his marriage, business, numerous affairs… is one of total falsity, lies, deception, manipulation. The scratches on his face combined with his motive and inconsistencies HAVE to be enough to convict him.

    So when is the verdict to be expected? Today? If I was on the jury, by now I would be standing and pointing yelling “HE”S GUILTY!” 🙂 Probably a good thing I’ve never been asked..

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    1. Robbo, it was interesting how GBC’S defence barrister said if they have a Little Bit of doubt he didn’t do it then acquit him, I think he tricked them at one stage but now since the judge says Reasonable Doubt not a little bit of doubt, I think it’s unlikely he will be acquitted.

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          1. Robbo, I thought it was guilty or not guilty and those were the only options open to the jury. But several minutes ago, the judge said although neither prosecution or defence had suggested manslaughter, this was the verdict the jury should arrive at if they could not arrive at ‘guilty’

            I’ll try to find the tweet

            Here’s a bit

            Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
            The judge is explaining the difference between murder and manslaughter
            Judge says on murder, they must be satisfied he caused the death of his wife with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm

            Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 6s
            Judge says manslaughter is unlawful killing but intention to harm is not involved. #badenclay
            Judge says neither prosecution or defence contends manslaughter. #badenclay
            Judge says motive is not material to murder or manslaughter. #badenclay

            Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 34s

            Justice Byrne – if jury finds #badenclay not guilty of murder, that’s when jury must consider manslaughter

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            1. Yes that’s how I read the information from Justice Byrne, that manslaughter is an option for the Jury to consider if they can’t find murder.

              Justice Byrne – if jury finds #badenclay not guilty of murder, that’s when jury must consider manslaughter

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              1. That’s a strange direction for the judge to give when he’s denying any involvement, how the hell can they look at manslaughter, have they got a christal ball?? if somebody shoots somebody and uses the defence they didn’t know the gun was loaded then manslaughter can come into it if the jury believes them. [criminally negligent]

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            2. Hello BB, I thought it was stated that manslaughter was not up for consideration – the judge saying “neither the prosecution nor the defence contend for manslaughter.” So from my understanding it’s either guilty or not guilty of murder.

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              1. Yeah … think it might have something to do with jury finding intent to kill being murder or no intent to kill, but killed anyway – then manslaughter …

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          2. It’s an ‘alternate’ charge to Murder.

            No others have ‘alternates’, just Murder.

            BUT….because nobody is suggesting it, it’s going to be more difficult for the Jury to find it.

            It’d be like a ‘Lucky Draw’ for those without the winning ticket.

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            1. I agree. It was made 100% clear to me that if you look at the facts and circumstances and physical evidence (scratches, leaves, blood etc) there is no other conviction than murder. Go directly to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Although that WOULD go far in the prison canteen.

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        1. The way I look at it, he said no struggle occurred. The fingernail scratches contradict this. If she had time to leave those marks, he had time to reconsider his actions and cease the struggle. This to me implies intent. It may have happened in the heat of the moment (I don’t believe this, I think it was planned) but he still clearly intended to cause harm of some kind. Because of his conduct after the event, the scratches, the leaves, the blood in the car, the unlikeliness of alternative death causes, his history and evidence of lying to cover his activities and the consideration of his numerous pressures on the 19th… I believe he truly intended to end her life. Whether spur of the moment or long-planned.. He intended to end her life. That’s my take on the evidence strictly from court. No external discussion entered into this. End rant 🙂

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        1. Evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) IMO of Allison’s murder having been planned – ie INTENDED:
          (A person would not think of all this if it was a momentary crime of passion IMO)
          Enquiries about Allison’s insurance in weeks leading up to her murder
          Had to pay back several loans at EOFY 30 June, unable to raise any such funds
          Claimed her insurance even before she was formally identified
          Ensures only a 15 year old will can be found for Allison, which names him the sole beneficiary.
          Promises Toni to sort out his business/financial problems, be single and come to her unconditionally by 1 July.
          Telling Toni how much being apart pains him too and that she must ‘leave IT to him’ now (ie he has a plan to make it happen)
          Hid her body UNDER a bridge where it would be safe from being found for a week or two
          Hiding Allison’s phone in Brookfield area, to keep the search for her there for a week or two while DNA and COD evidence deteriorates.
          Planting a Zoloft packet on the dashboard of Allison’s car
          Portrait of him and Allison already moved the next day – this man was ‘moving on’ at a rate of knots!
          …etc…etc

          What would GBC NOT have to lie about if he was innocent?
          The scratches on his face, body, injury to his hand (clearly from an altercation with Allison)
          That he was concerned and looking for his wife (when he never seriously looked for her, was dressed up and trying to get an appt with a criminal defense lawyer)
          That he slept like a baby all night (while his phone charger says differently)
          That he does not know Kholo bridge or the scout grounds at all (like the back of his hand!)
          That she was depressed and suicidal (in contrast to his initial testimony and that of her friends that she was fine)
          That he did not love Toni (while he told her he did repeatedly, and even told staff that he did)
          Those fake texts he send Allison the next morning (he would have behaved very differently)
          …etc…etc….

          It would take a lot of force to suffocate someone. Not exactly something done “oops!” by accident. And in the context of all his other lies he would not have had to tell if he was innocent …..did not happen by accident IMO.

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          1. Funny you know. That big concrete tank near Bwana’s place…. I used to think…. I wonder if Allison’s phone could have been tucked/taped/dropped in. I have phoned a number when the phone has been deep under water and got the voice message. It was quite unsettling as the its owner was on life support, not expected to live.
            On another occasion while Gerred was reduced to driving the mini Bwanamobile, I spied with my little eye, Gerard parked in an odd place by the river. I did report if you are wondering. Big rains came through and flooded the particular area not long after.

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    1. I believe he’ll be found guilty of murder, I don’t believe he’ll be found innocent of all charges. At the very minimum he’ll be found guilty of manslaughter.

      A woman was found dead 14kms from her home.
      *Is suicide a reasonable possibility? No. No evidence supports drowning & floating down stream and no evidence supports her walking 3 hours from home to jump into a mud pit under a bridge.
      *No evidence she went walking to be hit by a car or interfered with by a third party.

      Last person to see her alive has scratches on face & marks all over chest and informed mistress he was leaving marriage by July 1 and to ‘leave it to me’

      Blood in vehicle, leaves/plants from carport in hair, crippling debts, Alison diary states his dislike of her, pressure of wife & mistress in same room the following day.

      Too much evidence & too many circumstances to avoid.

      Simon Gittany used the ‘she was a depressed psycho who jumped’, didn’t work out for him either.

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      1. But in Gitany’s case, the jury had the video to work with, showing him dragging her back inside the apartment, hand over her mouth. And they had the witness who saw Gitany toss a large something from the balcony

        Don’t get me wrong — I want him to spend the better part of his life in prison. I do not want him to get the girls. And I don’t want him to profit financially via Allison’s death. I’ve been asking about a manslaughter verdict but no-one seemed to know. Manslaughter is the cop-out verdict available to a jury which finds it hard to come up with murder, obviously. And now we learn that manslaughter is open as verdict. On top of that, the judge has just told the jury they can’t rely on this, they can’t rely on that, etc.

        I hope I’m wrong – really hope so — but right now, confronted with the decision and with so much of what WE have been discussing for 2 years not made available to them or just breezed past them — who would blame the jury for not wanting to put someone away for 25 years based on what they have been shown?

        The jurors would struggle with ‘reasonable doubt’. It should be explained to them in basic maths terms, i.e., if you are less than 50% certain he committed the crime, then that would constitute reasonable-doubt. If on the other hand you’re 75% sure in your own minds that he did do it, then that is not reasonable-doubt. If you’re 25% certain of his guilt, then that most definitely is reasonable-doubt

        In the Casey Anthony trial, the jury afterwards said they’d ‘had doubts’, which they believed constituted reasonable doubt and as we know, she waltzed away. There has to be some set forumula for reasonable-doubt which juries can refer to, rather than individual judges’ interpretation of reasonable-doubt

        Anyway, I’m not feeling confident he’ll be found guilty. Hope he is because I have next to zero doubt he did it and just as disgustingly to my mind, he dumped her under that bridge and watched searchers struggle for ten days, while he sat there saying nothing as his ‘princess’ rotted away

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        1. Gittany video didn’t show throwing her off the balcony though & witness couldn’t say for certain the item thrown from the balcony was a person.

          The jury saw through the defense claim that she was a psycho & he was the victim ..

          The jury will in this case also.

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          1. All true, Armchair expert, although the jury in that case had the witness who heard the screaming and a ton more evidence than the GBC jury, imo, e.g. witness who testified that Lisa was trying to get away from Gittany on more than one occasion, etc.

            Put it this way, I’d be happier as a juror in the Gittany case than the GBC trial

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            1. My point was both accused in the two cases tried to convince the jury that the evidence didn’t support.

              The longer Justice Byrne explains the evidence in his summing up, the more convinced I am he’ll be found guilty.

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                1. BB Everything will be ok, I have a good feeling about this.There is strong circumstantial evidence. It’s like Fuller said, “Think of it as looking at a tv screen, up close you see the indivdual dots, stand back and you see the bigger picture” Or something like that. I think the prosecution did the best they could, and I believe they did well 🙂 No doubt about it, the jury will be finding it difficult to overlook the bigger picture.

                  On a side note, I thought it was honourable to hear Mark Ainsworth was sitting with the Dickies in support 🙂

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        2. Once you start bringing mathematical equations and formulas into your judgement it becomes a matter of making a judgement on the balance of probabilities. Beyond reasonable doubt is when you can find no other logical explanation for the evidence. If you do believe there is an alternative and logical explanation for the evidence then you need to acquit. The main alternative explanations in this case is suicide because she was depressed and was upset with he sister-in-law having a son. If you think that is logical given all the evidence then you would acquit.

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    2. Burleigh- this murder was pre-meditated. Manslaughter is accidental death. I doubt very much he will get that.
      It will all work out BB. Wish I could hand you a nice chocky ginger through computer. 😉

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      1. Crikey…I’m trying to finish my lunch!

        If it was an ‘accident’ he’d be not guilty of anything.

        Unlawful Killing (Manslaughter) is what it says it is…..just without INTENT. Heat of the moment…rising passions etc etc

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      2. 🙂 Moonraker

        Wish I could share your optimism but most people aren’t ok with putting someone away for an extended period. Most people don’t have that confidence and that’s when they’re relying on their own figuring. Here, we have twelve people comprising the jury and whatever confidence they might have managed to pull together would have dissipated, imo, beneath the judge’s stern advice re: reasonable doubt and other instruction/direction

        Most people ‘doubt’ most of the time. Should I buy this, Should I say that, Should I mention to so and so that …

        Look how long it took for news of GBC’s affair to get back to Allison. People don’t want to get involved. They were ticked-off about it all through childhood, If you don’t have something good to say, say nothing. And Are you sure? was something people heard every stage of their lives beginning in childhood. Doubt is instilled in most of us. Gee, I don’t want to be wrong runs through the average person’s mind ten times a day. They don’t want to report theft or a colleague who nips out for two hour lunches

        These are the same people who’ve just been given the drill about ‘doubt’. How does the average person who’s yanked into jury-duty know how to differentiate between ordinary doubt and reasonable-doubt as applies to a trial?

        What’s the old saw? — that’s right, we’re taught as children and reminded all through life of the wisdom in When in doubt — don’t

        The average person won’t get involved if they see someone stealing from their neighbour’s yard or being set upon by a group of thugs. People don’t want to be involved. They’re scared of being hurt and of looking wrong or stupid or of getting into trouble. And we expect them now, on the information they’ve been supplied, to decide whether or not GBC should get mandatory life? When manslaughter — the easy option — is just sitting there?

        Wish I felt confident. I’ve pretended to be. At the mo, I’m consumed by reasonable doubt and gratefully stuffing face with the virtual choc-gingers you so kindly zapped through to me

        Hope all doubts are gone by maybe tomorrow arvo. Until then, thank you for your thoughtfulness 🙂

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        1. I hear you BB and read your words with care. Guess I feel so steadfast because I I am stead fast. Just can’t help it. So how about I be for both of us. Tell me what else you would like to munch and I”ll see if I have some in stock. I could play the piano and sing for you BB to pass the time. What would you like to hear?

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          1. 🙂 Moonraker — wow, I could do a GBC here and never allow an opportunity to pass me by ….

            So, German potato salad — vine-ripened tomatoes from old-seed stock — some Uncle Toby’s with cream and honey — the old Barnaby back in Midsomer Murders — all of Comyns Beaumont’s books because I don’t have any and they’re very hard to come by — a plumber to come and fix the cistern in the main bathroom because The Grunter (our usual plumber) is playing hard to get — an operation on my nose so I can breathe at night without having to use those nose-bandaids — a new hip — thicker hair — my geraniums to bloom — a nicer next-door neighbour — GBC in Arthur Gorrie for 30 years minimum ….

            oh, that’ll do for now and I might pass on the self-accompanied piano for the moment thanks

            🙂

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        2. BB. Hope you are enjoying those ginger chockies. I’m jealous as I was not offered any …… my favs. (pouty face)

          Anyway, I just want to say that I believe that when one is panelled on a jury they take their task very seriously as opposed to, say an ordinary man on the street who may witness something untoward. I believe most of us have a social conscious and a keen need to be fair and just. Sure there will be those on a jury that have malicious intent of convicting base on prejudices etc just as there will be some that want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt regardless of how glaring the evidence is concerning guilt. However as there is 12 on the jury these two extremes are usually bought into rational analysis of the evidence through group discussion.

          I personally have confidence in juries getting it right especially given that the judge is there in a way to hold their hands and guide them through the process.

          I know it is nerve racking waiting for a verdict. Ginger Chockies do help.

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          1. Massive like, Dora. Well said. It might be naive but I still believe in the 12 people impanelled to find the truth and serve justice. The jury has been amazing in reporting suspected tampering, even if it was ‘no big deal’ stuff. They clearly take their oaths seriously. They’ve done and will do the right thing. Juries are rarely sequestered anymore, according to the courthouse representatives I spoke to recently. Trust in those people, they will get it right. There is nothing any of us can do now to change the outcome. Just have to believe they are 12 people like you or I.

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  11. Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks · 32m
    Justice Byrne says under the law, he must put the alternative charge of manslaughter to the jury to consider. #badenclay

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  12. Hi all — loved all your posts. I am really keen to find out the verdict. Like you I want a guilty guilty!! Feeling soooo sad for Alison’s little girls. They have lost their mother and the poor excuse for a father. Bring on a just verdict!!!

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  13. Elsewhere, it’s being reported that the judge mentioned today that ‘someone wearing purple’ had approached one or more jury members and asked what the odds were re: the verdict

    Reported as true, although not by the media

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        1. Oh yes, Jessy. You and I think alike. That makes it HOW many times they’ve utilized such tactics in the space of a few weeks? Why, knowing the penalties? Mistrial the goal. No shame at all. Whatever works is what is employed. Scary people. I’d put nothing past them

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          1. Our Gerry’s got a purple shirt, it was what he was going to ear on Day 1 to be recognised.

            Let’s see, it’s now Day 15…the shirt would have sat on the floor for about 7 days, washed….sat in a basket for another 7 days…..ironed last night…

            GERRY !!!!

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              1. Are you sure?

                Camera bag….spare shirt….. sudden need to get to the toilet?

                I put it to you that Gerry intended to carry a spare purple shirt to Court today to effectively and efficiently get changed in to it!!

                It’s the only conclusion that a sane and rational person can arrive at. (this does not mean that you can get an ‘out’)

                🙂

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    1. I totally believe it BB, as someone was also wondering why the Sheriff was in the Court 🙂
      Wonder who wears purple and who is a law unto themselves 🙂 🙂

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      1. In a perfect world, a rotation shift of psychiatrists and neurologists would be put to studying certain purple people for twenty years at least, in order to remove similar genes from the human pool — all just my opinion

        All the blather about certain members of that gang being ‘upstanding’, ‘honest’, blablah. They’re like a mafia in my opinion. Law unto themselves. Too stupid to know how stupid they are. Brazen. And it’s worked for them, imo, which is why they continue as they do

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        1. I think it was last week or the week before when the jury was compromised by the channel 9 reporter and cameraman approaching one of the members, judge Byrne did say this will be dealt with by the Sheriff who just happens to be in this room at this very moment. So I do think there is a Sheriff present at all times. I could be wrong.

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    2. OMG, BB! If this is true (as per reports from other sources), the BC tribe and supporters will clearly stop at nothing to have Bwana Jnr walk free and show utter contempt for the law.

      I shouldn’t be so surprised so far into the Trial – but now I keep thinking “what other tactics will they come up with?”

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      1. Re a Purple People Eater approaching members of the jury, I wonder if it is simply a case of the bogan element coming to the fore rather than it being some attempt to pervert the course of justice.

        Just as we are all curious about the likely outcome, and are making predictions here, the individual concerned may not see an issue in asking a Jurer where they see things heading, just as another person might ask anyone they spot watching the world cup who they think will win.

        It may be that the Clan are so far removed from reality that they do not even realize that asking such a question of the jury is out of order,

        Most normal people would respect the right of jury members to be left to deliberate in peace, but some purple people who mistakenly believe themselves to be the centre of the universe may not appreciate the need to allow the jury their independence.

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        1. Dan- pretty much anything BC clan does is planned. Bwana wouldn’t tolerate the word ‘unprepared’ I don’t think. I’m sure brother Adam didn’t have much choice coming from Canada during their summer season and his busiest work time. Leaving his wife and two children behind.

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          1. I agree… as bogan as they are – they know the go. But their not so elaborate plan is unravelling………………….

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        2. Guys I think this night be getting blown a little bit out of proportion. I think some of these issues have just been journos asking people for comment without realising they were jury members. And to be honest, jury tampering is a HUGE thing and I doubt they’d be so bold as to do it in front of the courthouse which is heavily covered by CCTV. Just putting it out there that maybe we are seeing demons where there might not be some… Not letting one off the hook or defending the enemy but we just really don’t know what’s gone on 🙂

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          1. That’s twice now that you’ve gone against Party lines young lady!

            We are watching you! This is your final warning. Any more of this nonsense and you’ll be going straight over my lap!!

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    3. Maybe that’s why OW was grinny gert this morning. I really think jury should be sequestered. Anyone could stuff up whole bloody trial before a verdict. May be BC’s know it’s lost and are urging supporters to approach jurors intentionally. Nothing they do surprises me anymore.

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      1. That’s their job…..glorified ‘Court Orderlies’.

        He was probably having a ‘sticky’ because not much else is going on.

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      2. Moonraker, I agree re: sequestering of the jury. But I’m not sure based on what I’ve read of the judge’s instructions to the jury that it will occur. Otherwise, why would the judge have warned against accessing social and mainstream media, for example? Ridiculous if the jury isn’t sequestered, imo

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        1. oh I know they won’t sequester BB which boggles the mind. This is a high profile case with state paying the defence bill. You’d think they’d make damn sure jury was safe/sound so they could concentrate on task at hand. I was puzzled by this from Day one. Does not make any common sense. A juror could come back saying oh I looked at something on my mobile does that count? Which could potentially conflict with his precise instructions.

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          1. Mooonraker — unbelievable. Worse – it’s a joke. Who’s responsible for such a cack-up situation — Newman’s cost-cutters? If people are attempting to jury-tamper in the freaking court room, imagine what they can do with non-sequestered jury-members? How much would it cost to fix the verdict — few thousand dollars ?

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            1. BB- I wonder if QC could come back asking why jury wasn’t sequestered if something bizarre happens which I have a bad feeling about. Were you thinking possible FM involvement? Look at court house bomb hoax evac back in 2012. Just coincidence? I don’t think so.

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  14. I’ve got to say, the fact Allison had someone’s DNA under her fingernails is damning. She had to have scratched someone and the Defence didn’t give us that scenario so it inky points to one person who, surprise, has scratches on his face. Those fingernails and their scratches will damn him. Good on you Allison!

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    • 10:16am: Earlier, the court heard members of the jury were “approached” on Tuesday.

    Justice john Byrne thanked the jurors for bringing the “approach” to his attention and said the Court Sheriff would investigate the matter*

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gerard-badenclay-trial-live-coverage-day-17-week-5-20140709-3bluf.html#ixzz36wENkhY8

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gerard-badenclay-trial-live-coverage-day-17-week-5-20140709-3bluf.html#ixzz36wChCHws

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  15. Everything about this guy has been deliberate, right down to her diary placed under the bedside table. He didn’t accidentally choke her to death. He deliberately killed her… she may have threatened revealing his infidelities, taking the girls…. so he snuffed her out because he knew that would be a better financial outcome for him. He deliberately dumped her body and as Fuller pointed out, mentioned the ‘app’ in his text…. that it couldn’t locate her… (I was pleased Fuller made a point of that because it’s being too contrived in its presentation at a time where he claims he genuinely didn’t know where she was…) It has to be guilty, and then I hope they go for the others who have been part of this. I heard a rumour that police are looking to go for the ‘rest’ after the conviction… so this case will continue. I just hope a guilty conviction will give her family a sense of relief in such a dreadful time that will continue to haunt always.

    And I know the ‘law’ is about ‘facts’ but I’m so pleased to see the prosecutor present the human elements of this case – which may not directly be A+B=C, but it certainly leads to C ultimately. Now that’s a good barrister – to be able to show that, and I think he has.

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    1. Ms Molly – why do you think the journal was put under the bedside table? To hide it? I would agree with that – don’t think it was in GBCs interests to have that found.

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      1. Perhaps he needed it found to show her unhappy mental state?? I always wondered if he drew that plan of Toni’s house before or after her death….to try and create a supposed reason for her getting so unhappy that she took off in the night and suicided.. We must consider that a lot of trouble was gone to, to ensure nothing that GBC did not want found could be found, not even Allison’s phone….or a recent will of hers. If he listened to Allison’s conversations with her mom and whoever else in the house through a baby monitor in the carport, then he would most certainly have read her diary.I think he let it be found, to suit his own purposes, hopefully to direct QPS towards suicide.

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        1. Hello Donna, hi RIP Allison 🙂

          Yes I agree RIP Allison – I believe he absolutely wanted that diary found … it works in favour of his defence i.e. she’s depressed, anxious, troubled, worried…. ‘look it says so in her own handwriting!’, which supports their theory that…. ‘she wandered off into the cold dark night, walked 14 km’s to be exact, threw herself off a low height suburban bridge with no suicide note leaving her three girls motherless … and ended up at the bottom in the creek with no cuts, abrasions or broken bones’. Unbelievable garbage. I shake my head at the defence, that they could stand there as intelligent grown men and ACTUALLY present this as a legitimate scenario. If it wasn’t so tragic it would be laughable. So yes, the diary I believe was part of his defence, and yes RIP Allison I too have wondered why there was a drawing of Toni’s apartment? Once again, seems very contrived – like all his behaviour – who knows WHEN that drawing was made…

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    1. Apparently not. So it seems the cut and pasted extract from the Brisbane Times is the problem. To assist with moderation, I refer you to the second link provided in my post re: the judge announcing the jury had been approached yesterday. The second link provided is where I found the information, which I cut and pasted directly from Brisbane Times to here. The moderator will need to scroll down that second link article

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  16. Re: the Brisbane Times article, I’ve just checked it and the report about jury-tampering is still there as of a few seconds ago. There is a timeline throughout the article with the time on the left hand side. Simple matter of running down the timeline to reach 10.16 a.m. to read the article and about the incident as reported by mainstream media

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/gerard-badenclay-trial-live-coverage-day-17-week-5-20140709-3bluf.html#ixzz36wChCHws

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    1. Mitzi, there are only a couple of hours remaining in the court day, if it runs true to form. I’m more interested in where the jury will be while it’s contemplating its verdict

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      1. Thanks… but what do you mean about where…. isn’t there a particular place they HAVE to be? Can you expand on that a little please.
        Let’s hope today is the day.

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        1. Mitzi, none of us seems confident the jury will be sequestered while it considers its verdict. Tv is one thing, Queensland another, maybe. Most would expect the jury to be housed in an hotel during the time it requires to consider and arrive at its verdict. But is it? Or are jury members to be sent home this afternoon and expected to arrive at court tomorrow to be ushered to a special room, to consider their verdict? Who knows? Maybe we’ll find out later this afternoon

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          1. Seriously?? I didn’t even realise there would be the chance they could go home at this crucial stage?!?!? Scary thought……..

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              1. Justice would have said that jury were to be sequestered at beginning of trial. He never mentioned it during his rulings. So they will be in a jury room within court building to deliberate and then go home to their families. Have TV’s car radios computers on. Chatting with family friends neighbours while shopping. But hey! They are all supposed to tell everyone they are on a jury and can’t listen speak or hear anything about the case. I’m starting to realise how bloody ridiculous this is. I’ve personally never heard of a murder case like this NOT being sequestered. Especially one where the accused wasn’t allowed bail.

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                  Agree Moonraker. It’s a joke. Could even be construed as a set-up

                  There will be a hell of a stink about this. People pay for transparency from government and expect some sort of accountability and standard, even from Newman and Co

                  This situation (if the jury’s not sequestered) deserves to go viral, world-wide. And Youtube is but one avenue

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          2. I don’t believe sequestering the jury at this point in the trial would make any difference. They haven’t been sequestered up until now so just locking them away for the deliberations wouldn’t be worth the pain and hassle.

            The jury are deliberating weekdays 9:00-4:30 at the courthouse and, to my understanding, not on weekends.

            Hope this helps 🙂

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            1. I agree LJC. I have faith in the jury, If there were going to be any dodgy goings on, I would be a huge risk. I trust all is well 🙂

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              1. The Jury still hasn’t been sent away for their deliberations.

                It’s the same as Days 1-16 for them at the moment.

                A “State of Origin” comparison……10 minutes to go until full time with the scores locked at 12 – 12.

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  17. A couple of things I’ve learnt from this Trial.

    NEVER go to a slide night at Michael Byrnes place or Todd Fullers.

    for LJC
    A ‘slide’ is an ancient form of art from just after the Monolithic period.

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      1. What ! Next you’ll be saying that the “Mission Brown” and “Sage Green” Periods weren’t important turning points in the world of Post Modernism!

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          1. Is it fashionable again?

            Should I bust out my Paisley Bodyshirt, maroon flares and Platform shoes (which actually made me 6’3″)

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  18. Guilty. I think the judge knows he’s guilty and is leaning that way in his directions to the jury.

    Anyone in court today? How is gred looking?

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    1. Hi Pinkshoes 🙂
      I’m confident of a guilty verdict. Justice Byrne will give his instructions tomorrow morning, so best to wait to hear what he says as today it was a re-cap if you like, of both the defence and prosecutions x examinations of GBC. 🙂

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  19. Does anybody know if the jurors are literally going home to their houses each night or are they being put up in a hotel for the duration of the trial?

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    1. They’re sent home. Justice Byrne has offered Friday to the Jury for deliberation mentioning he is loathe to sequester them.

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  20. Since the verdict has to be unanimous, if one juror says GBC is not guilty, he will be found not guilty.

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        1. Hung jury. Which is rare but definitely not unheard of. It’s more common in trials like bikkie’s/mafia where there is often more than one juror purposely holding out for whatever reason.
          TCR- I don’t even want to think of a HJ.

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              1. Sometimes the 1 person holding out is right – Remember when Fonzie held out because the motorcyclist couldn’t of snatched the handbag and accelerated with the left hand !!

                Also, Homer Simpson held out when Mayor Quimby’s nephew was on trial and proved to be right.

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  21. Ok, well — someone elsewhere in cyberland said that sequestering the jury proved uneconomical and didn’t prevent jury-tampering anyway and possibly assisted it because jury members were altogether

    I don’t buy it and it may not be true in whole or part

    but that’s the explanation from a random stranger

    Has anyone read or heard about this new way of dealing with juries? Has the media mentioned it?

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    1. Thanks Robbo for your daily updates and all you have put into this site. I have been able to catch up on the daily happenings having had long working days past few days.

      The people who have shared this tragic journey have been awesome company, offering great conversation, debate, humour and hoping for justice for Allison. Though nothing will bring her back, we care and have been here for her and the family. You gave us that opportunity Robbo, thank you ❤

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  22. Sequestration stopped a number of years ago.
    The Max Sica trial jury was not sequestered, for example nor the Patel jury.
    There are arguments for and against e.g. the jury can feel under immense pressure to make a decision because they are sick of being locked up and have family obligations – particularly with long trials.

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    1. sorry, the Patel jurors were sequestration (mid 2010) so must have been shortly after that.
      It has been abolished in other jurisdictions including some states in USA.

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          1. I can’t see Olly doing anything, but who knows? I wonder if GBC could have researched things like asphyxiation on someone else’s PC when he was supposedly working late. Or maybe she told him about it at some state and it stuck in his memory. I can remember someone lying on me once and I couldn’t breathe. Unfortunately it was my boyfriend trying to be amorous. Or trying to kill me?:)

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  23. Although at times tedious, I found Justice Byrnes 90 or do page “recap” of both sides cross examination to be valuable in highlighting aspects for the jury which may have been unclear or forgotten (although they will be supplied a full transcript during deliberation).
    Justice for Allison

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  24. What an awfully long couple of weeks it has been! Very tired and weary tonight after getting home from court. After all of this we are hoping we get the verdict that we all believe is fair. I have a feeling GBC might be accused of the lesser crime of manslaughter but not giving up hope! M.Fuller is amazing as always and has acted on behalf of Allison and her family with courage, determination, common sense and has succeeded in putting the prosecution case to the jury in the best way we could have hoped for. I have taken Books and Books of notes and i hope to share some with you in the coming days when i get time to start deciphering my crazy notes. Hugs to you all and a big hug to Allison and her family! There is an army behind us! 🙂

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  25. Good Evening,

    If there’s one thing I’ve learnt about going to this trial….don’t try to predict how, when things are going to wrap up. Talk about dddddddraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag…………………..ing it out haha!

    I think a verdict will be reached within 2 hours of jury retiring (gerry read your own statement above) …. it might pay to bring a book to read though.

    1000 bullet points today by Justice Byrne, but I’m glad he’s being methodical and giving the jury every chance to see this case in a clear concise manner so there’s no confusion. It’s either black or white, nothing in between.

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      1. Aww thanks Caro, I’ve enjoyed doing it. Looking forward to the press conferences post trial there will be some good visuals to capture.

        I’ve given up on daily court writing it’s too tiring 🙂

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  26. I forgot to tell you guys about my faux pas comment in the lift the other day. Let me set the scene. Me, Gerry and … someone else are in a lift with a few other people when Gerry say “I ran into ol’ Nige in the toilets. He was going in as I was coming out.”

    So I say, completely forgetting where I was “he probably had to wipe what was coming out of his mouth”.

    I really need a filter between my brain and my mouth -.-

    At least the other people chuckled. I blushed.

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                  1. You’re welcome 🙂 and just be Calm with BR… I’ve spoken with him and he is the real deal – does know his stuff and is just providing a different perspective for somewhat healthy debate…. It’s infuriating at times but he’s legit 🙂

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  27. Good Evening
    To all of you who have been to court to watch GBC’s trial, have ABC’S parents been there most days?

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  28. Suggestion
    For verdict- yellow shirts, scarves, flowers, confetti (outside of course)?
    Ideas?
    One in all in
    Not just curiosity but positive support
    For the Dickies and girls
    Over to you

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    1. To be honest, their family appears to be very humble. I would be very cautious outside the court precinct in going ‘over the top’ i.e confetti . It might pay to be very conservative.

      I do however, suggest if you get an opportunity just to politely go up to Mr & Mrs Dickie, shake their hand, tell them that you care. Keep it simple and short. Even write them a card of support. I did that today with Mrs Dickie.

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      1. Gerry Rocks … agree with you 100% … what they’ll appreciate is a shake if their hand and kind words that justice has been done (if guilty) … same if not guilty, but with support for all they’ve been through and that one day justice will be delivered …

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        1. The family look after Mrs Dickie quite well and I think it’s just best to keep it simple. This woman has been through so much, I can’t believe how strong she’s been. She’s the nicest lady, and just a simple 5-10 secs is all people need to spend saying their appreciation. Her & Mr Dickie might not even come out to the press conference as they’ve been leaving from a different exit point.

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          1. I think Mrs Dickie is verbally fluent … but Mr Dickie strikes me as ‘gut wrenched’ over the murder of his daughter, Allison … so much so that he’s lost his words because enormous grief & loss & anger are simmering inside … and he’s trying to deal with all that …

            they need to know we care and we get how hard this has been for them …

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            1. forgot to say … agree,Gerry Rocks … keeping it brief, but to the point will be helpful to them cause they’ll be feelin’ overwhelmed anyway …

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  29. I’m amazed about the contact with the jury by, if I’m reading between the lines correctly, the great Gerard Baden Idiot and his equally idiotic family. I’ve never heard of this many approaches; I’m assuming it was more than one each. When he’s found guilty, the media will instantly put it up like they did with Rolf Harris (gives new meaning to his extra leg) where they say, what we couldn’t tell you. There should be loads of stories from that. Can you also imagine if GBC is acquitted: who would hire him? He would face anger everywhere he went, also unfortunately the odd person who thinks he is totally innocent, usually a previous JBJ follower in Qld. Who would let him into their restaurant with everyone instantly leaving. Who would have ANYTHING to do with him. It’s the kiss of death.

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    1. iCandy, I agree with what your saying, but a person who thinks GBC is innocent probably has the intelligence of Joh Bjelke-Petersen.

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    2. Hi, long term reader/ first time poster here. Yes, I agree there will be more stories released to the media once the trial is over, and even further investigations. There has to be some truth to all of the ‘rumours’ that have circulated around.
      Scary to think of him being acquitted.
      Hopefully the jury’s decision will be unanimous.
      I do worry about the 7 men to 5 women ratio of jury. Anyone I talk to that does think he may be or is innocent are male…

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      1. Hi Alice, welcome aboard, gee you waited to the last day(s)! That’s OK. It is a nervy time, and I think in all their breaks they have discussed things and how they will help each other. I have been on a couple of trial as I have mentioned elsewhere here.

        A lot of discussion goes on, everyone wants to do the right thing. It is not like one stubborn mule, arms folded is sitting there refusing to listen or consider the views of others.(I am not talking about bullying)

        I am talking about each persons level of understanding, education and ability to put it all together so to speak. Common sense tells me if 11 folks agree on things they cant all be boneheads, so let the 12 person spell it out and work around it.

        It might be something they assumed and when the correct information is relayed and makes sense they move over. I see the only decision they need to make is Murder or lesser unlawful killing/manslaughter.

        I honestly say if anyone gets the chance to do it, go for it, sure it can be inconvenient, boring, and the pay sucks (depending where you live) but a life experience you never forget!

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  30. Have you thought for a minute that it may not be one of the family approaching the jury? I’ve noticed quite a few drop kicks at court who I’m sure wouldn’t have a clue about court protocol. They make the most ridiculous statements (loud enough for anyone within a 20 metre radius to hear) and are quite obviously clueless. I wouldn’t put it past any one of these blatantly uneducated loud mouths to do something as utterly ridiculous as approach a juror!
    You know the type, the lower socioeconomic bogans who travel in packs and compare notes (for the world to hear) based on their knowledge gained from the latest episode of CSI.
    I’m not defending the BC’s at all, it could quite possibly be any one of them but, from what I’ve seen and heard around the court precinct these past few weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just a clueless fool trying to big note.

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    1. bellabrissie, I agree with what your saying, but just a question for you out of curiosity, can a person who is under the age of 18 enter the court and be in the dock?

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      1. TCR, yes, they can although I’m not sure if there is a “cut-off” age.ma class of High school kids were at the courts the first week, although I didn’t notice them in the BC overflow court. I diddle a young lad aged approximately 14-15, a very well behaved and mature boy with a relative. I’d imagine they would have to be supervised by an adult.
        Why? Are you thinking of attending? 🙂

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    2. What ever we may think of the BC’s there is definitely no family member / friends of theirs approaching any jury members. I’ve been there every day I could point out their team of friends/supporters. The BC’s have a small, but loyal network with them. I even said hello to some of them, their supporters are nice people and wouldn’t even consider doing anything to jeopardize the trial.

      Just on that, it would be prudent to be considerate to the BC supporters once a verdict is reached. They are entitled as much as you or I are to supporting the BC family regardless of your personal opinions or beliefs.

      I say that because I have a friend whose shortly going to facing a serious charge before the courts. I will be supporting him, but that doesn’t make me a bad person, if that makes sense.

      There are many rookies attending court for the first time in their lives, so it’s more likely that these approaches have been made, innocently. Let’s give everyone the benefit of the doubt. The jury are only doing their job in reporting any such matter to Justice Byrne, in order to keep the integrity of the judicial system.

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      1. Again Gerry Rocks … agree & I echo your message … let’s be respectful to the BC supporters (if a guilty verdict) … they didn’t murder Allison … they’re just supporting their friends …like you & I would …

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        1. Olivia’s best friend is lovely and polite. I admire her for supporting Olivia.

          The number of rookies entering the court and using their mobile phones in the overflow courts is crazy. They simply don’t know the rules, or chose to ignore them given it’s not the main court.

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    1. Guys, honestly… BR is not part of the Clan. I’ve spoken to him privately via email at length 🙂 and unless my instincts are completely letting me down. He’s good people, even if a little antagonistic sometimes. Or all the time. Please stop fighting. We are here for a common goal 🙂

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      1. Well said, ndbris 🙂 you should never feel anxious about posting but I can completely understand why you would because it’s only in the last few weeks that I’ve got over my own anxiety about the same thing! Thank you for your insights… And you’re obviously a great person because you’re also a designer 😉 thanks for your lovely comments about my blog too! Makes the hard work seem worth it. I teach in interior design too and absolutely love it. If we don’t hear from you again, best of luck with your studies 🙂 #justice4allison

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      1. You’re welcome TCR 🙂 you mentioned you were under 18… How far under 18?? There’s a few swear words in there and whilst I’m sure you’ve heard them before I feel like I need to wash my mouth out with soap 🙂

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        1. I’m only 13 years old and I’m a male and I want to become a barrister myself, and don’t worry about the swearing, I’ve heard it all before.

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          1. 🙂 I guessed you were young, although I didn’t think you were as young as 13, I picked you for 15-16. Beware though there are some strange types hanging around there, not just to do with the Baden-Clay trial, there are other matters before the courts and with that comes all types of people. I’d advise you not to go alone. 🙂

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            1. Of course not, I have my parents who will take me, Don’t respond to me any differently just because of my age, I am wise beyond my years.

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  31. Hi LJC, referring to your comment July 9th 11.35pm.
    Sorry, I totally disagree with you re:BR. I believe his behaviour on here with his smart comments is totally disrespectful to people on this site and Allison. To me BR thinks this is one big joke and I for one do not approve of his behaviour, . Why is that when he is on the other blog (I wont mention which blog) he speaks with common sense and then comes on here and carries on like a 5 year old. For me, his behaviour is turning me off this wonderful site Robbo has put so much work into making it a success.

    Thank you LJC for your Court updates .

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    1. Just following the ‘flavour’ of the posts and replies Jessy.

      Interesting that you make no comment about the hundreds of posts being ‘disrespectful’ to people not on Trial.

      This a a ‘Crime’ site, not a ‘Tribute Page’. I know that people will get emotional and try and make it a Tribute Page…..I can’t help that.

      I’m only on this Blog….no others.

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