28 Aussies among 298 killed as Malaysia Airlines ‘blown out of sky’ by missile over Ukraine


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MH17: Investigators find large part of plane and more bodies at Malaysia Airlines crash site

25/07/14 2pm

Investigators have found a previously undiscovered part of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 along with more bodies more than a week after the Boeing 777 was shot down over eastern Ukraine.

It is understood the location of the bodies has been marked with a white flag, but investigators do not have the facilities available to handle human remains.

The discovery has highlighted an urgent need for the area to be thoroughly searched, but continued fighting in the surrounding region has hampered the efforts of investigators.

A spokesman for the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Michael Bociurkiw, says the piece of fuselage that was found “appeared out of nowhere”.

“The most significant find today was we went into a heavily wooded area and found a huge piece of fuselage,” Mr Bociurkiw said.

“I think this is the part of the plane that came down which … travellers would say resembles an airline. The windows were still intact and if one wanted to they could even climb inside and be covered.

“It almost appeared out of nowhere because there were no tell-tale signs, no broken branches, nothing to indicate that a piece of fuselage had landed there.”

Mr Bociurkiw said investigators were also closely examining the area of the crash site where the cockpit had landed.

“The other thing the investigators took an interest in was the cockpit area because there are still personal and professional belongings of the crew in there,” he said.

“There is also a lot of sensitivity around human remains … and for the second day in a row we did come across more human remains, not much, but it does indicate that they are there and … that a very detailed sweep of the entire area will probably be needed to make sure nothing is missed.”

The head of the Dutch police mission in Ukraine, Jan Tuinder, says it remains difficult to get access to the crash site.

Pro-Russian rebels have continually caused problems during the investigation, blocking access to the site and harassing recovery workers.

“The process is not over. There are still remains [at the site] and it’s very hard to get there because there are some – and I would say it’s not politically correct – but there are still some lunatics there,” Mr Tuinder said.

“It’s very hard for us to get to the remains.”

However, the OSCE says there were no incidents overnight, as they were joined by experts from Australia and Malaysia.

Australian specialists join teams working to identify remains

Meanwhile Australian specialists have joined teams in the Netherlands working on the identification of remains from the MH17 crash.

Three Australian officials, including a forensic specialist, have also visited the crash site for the first time, which is now officially the responsibility of Dutch investigators.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop this morning signed an agreement with her Dutch counterpart, Frans Timmermans, allowing Australian investigators to work at the site.

The Government says it will help Australian officials move around and give them legal cover in Ukraine.

“I feel confident that with the legal and operational matters underway that we’ll be in a position to start work on the site without much further delay,” Ms Bishop said.

Asked whether families should prepare themselves for a delay of weeks or even longer before the bodies of the 298 victims are sent home, Ms Bishop said: “We’re not talking about weeks, we’re talking about days.

“I am very optimistic after today’s meetings that we will have had in place the legal and operational framework that will enable our mission to be carried out as soon as possible,” she said.

The Government has sent 50 Australian Federal Police officers to London, with a view to possibly joining an international force, but no decision has yet been made.

Another 74 bodies have been flown into the city of Eindhoven, where they will be examined by forensics experts for identification.

An RAAF C17 and a Dutch military plane were used to transport the second group of bodies to Eindhoven.

A formal reception was once again staged on the tarmac and crowds gathered at the air base’s gates to pay their respects as the procession of hearses passed.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian people face fresh elections in October after their prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk resigned.

Both parties have now pulled out of the government, causing it to collapse. However, in 30 days the president will be able to call fresh elections with the aim to get rid of the old administration.

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MH17: Devastation as human face of tragedy becomes clearer

The attack on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 has claimed the lives of 28 Australians, who were among the 298 passengers and crew on board.

A Catholic nun, an estate agent, a teacher, a husband-and-wife pair of doctors, a businessman and his three grandchildren are just some of those Australian lives lost.

They were returning home but never made it. For their families and friends, life will never be the same.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott spoke for many when he said the tragedy was “a grim day for our country and a grim day for the world”.

“We bleed for them, we grieve for them and we will do everything we can.”

Here are the Australians so far feared to have lost their lives

Malaysia Airlines MH17: Devastation as the list of Australian victims is revealed

A Catholic nun, an estate agent, a teacher, a husband-and-wife pair of doctors, a businessman and his three pre-teen grandchildren. Just some of the Australian lives cut short by the attack on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

Twenty-eight Australians were returning home with Malaysia Airlines, but never made it. For their families and friends, life will never be the same.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott spoke for many when he said the tragedy was “a grim day for our country and a grim day for the world.” He said: “We bleed for them, we grieve for them and we will do everything we can.”

Here are the Australians so far feared to have lost their lives.

Sister Philomene Tiernan, New South Wales

Sister Philomene Tiernan, who was killed in the MH17 plane crash on July 18, 2014

Photo: Sister Philomene Tiernan, who was killed in the MH17 plane crash on July 18, 2014 (Supplied: Kincoppal-Rose Bay School)

A Catholic nun from Sydney, Sister Philomene worked at a private Catholic school in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.

In a letter to students, principal Hilary Johnston-Croke said the school was devastated by the loss of Sister Philomene who had been attending a retreat in Joigny in France.

“Phil was a very much-loved staff member and friend,” she said.

“We are devastated by the loss of such a wonderfully kind, wise and compassionate woman who was greatly loved by us all.”

Father Tony Doherty, who had known Sister Philomene for 30 years, has told the ABC’s AM the school community is in mourning.

“I think the first thing that you were struck with was her gentleness and her courtesy,” he said.

“Her character was quite an immediate sensitivity to people and who they were, so there’s been a wave of grieve that’s met this tragic news in the last day.”

Michael and Carol Clancy, New South Wales

NSW retirees Michael and Carol Clancy, who were on board flight MH17 on a European trip, are being remembered as outstanding local teachers.

The couple aged 57 and 64 were from Kanahooka, south of Wollongong.

Mr Clancy, the former deputy principal of Albion Park Public School, had a passion for teaching disabled children.

His longtime friend and former principal, Jim Cooper, says he suffered chronic arthritis and would teach while enduring extraordinary pain.

“The sad part for us as well is we were all planning to get together with a group of friends tomorrow actually for a birthday party so it’s going to be a very sombre affair,” he said.

Mrs Clancy was also teacher and is being remembered for her community work.

Albert and Marie Rizk, Victoria

Albert and Marie Rizk, who were aboard MH17, with their children Vanessa and James.

Photo: Albert (L) and Marie Rizk (3rd from L), who were aboard MH17, with their children Vanessa and James. (Supplied: Raine and Horne)

Albert, a real estate agent, and his wife Marie were on the final stretch of a European holiday.

The Sunbury pair, and parents of two, were heavily involved in the local Sunbury Football Club over the past decade.

The couple have been described by friend Ken Grech as “beautiful” people.

He said the Rizks had called their son James the night before the flight to notify them of a change to their travel plans.

“[They tried to] move it forward because the interconnecting flight was a nine-hour stay so they thought if they could change their flight they would do so, but unfortunately that didn’t occur,” Mr Grech said.

“It hasn’t really sunk it yet that their parents aren’t going to walk in the front door at home,” he said.

Nick Norris, Mo Maslin, Evie Maslin and Otis Maslin, WA

MH17 victims Mo, Otis and Evie Maslin from Perth

Photo: MH17 victims Mo, Otis and Evie Maslin from Perth (Supplied)

The 68-year-old Perth native and three of his grandchildren were on the flight’s manifest and were understood to be travelling to Western Australia from Amsterdam.

Perth businessman Nick Norris

Photo: Perth businessman Nick Norris and three of his grandchildren died in the MH17 crash. (ABC: Supplied)

Mr Norris was a long-time member of the South of Perth Yacht club and had worked in remote Aboriginal communities in education.

Mr Norris’s 24-year-old son Brack said his father had been accompanying the children: Mo (12) , Evie (10) and Otis (8) Maslin home to Australia.

Their parents had remained in Amsterdam for a few more days but Mr Norris, a father of four, was bringing them home to return to school.

Son Brack described the situation as “surreal” and thought it was “ridiculous” when a sister called from Sydney to tell him about the crashed plane.

“I couldn’t believe it … I love my dad extraordinarily and they were amazing kids,” he said.

The parents of the three children are receiving consular assistance in Amsterdam and are believed to be making their way back to Perth.

Roger and Jill Guard, Queensland

Retired Toowoomba pathologist Dr Roger Guard was killed on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. Fri July 18, 2014

Photo: Dr Roger Guard and his wife Dr Jill Guard were among those killed on MH17. (Kevin Farmer / APN)

Pathologist Roger Guard and his wife, GP Dr Jill Guard, were returning from a holiday and medical conference.

Toowoomba Hospital Foundation chief executive Peter Rookas said the pair were well respected in the community.

“Roger and Jill went off on a holiday and then attended a medical conference and were actually returning with doctors from that conference on MH17, so we have lost some absolutely brilliant people,” he said.

Howard and Susan Horder, Queensland

MH17 passengers Howard and Susan Horder

Photo: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 passengers Howard and Susan Horder from Queensland’s Sunshine Coast. (Supplied)

Howard and Susan Horder were retirees from the state’s Sunshine Coast.

The couple’s sons released a statement saying they are devastated by the loss of their parents.

“Howard and Susan touched the hearts of many and will be missed,” the statement read.

“They lived a happy life and provided much love and care for all those around them.”

Liliane Derden, ACT

A mother of two daughters, Ms Derden from Hall in Canberra’s north, has been identified as being on board flight MH17.

Liliane Derden Canberra victim of MH17 plane crash

Photo: Liliane Derden Canberra victim of MH17 plane crash

Ms Derden was a public servant who worked with the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) in Canberra.

The NHMRC issued a statement honouring Ms Derden.

“The CEO and staff of the NHMRC are deeply saddened by the loss of our valued colleague and friend,” the statement read.

“Our thoughts are with her family and friends at this difficult time.”

ACT Acting Chief Minister Andrew Barr said it was devastating news a Canberra resident was on the flight.

“It’s devastating news for the family and friends of that ACT resident and indeed our sympathies go to not only to the families here in the ACT who are impacted, but across Australia and indeed around the world.

“It’s a great tragedy and it’s certainly hitting home here locally.”

Helena Sidelik, Queensland

Ms Sidelik, 56, was returning home to the Gold Coast after a holidaying in Europe before she died in what colleagues have described as an “incomprehensible plane disaster”.

Her brother Hans Sidelik says she had been to a wedding in Amsterdam and had spent three weeks holidaying in Greece.

He says his only sister will be greatly missed.

“Very very funny person, loved life, not afraid to speak up and just enjoyed life,” he said.

A statement from colleagues at Vision Personal Training said: “We will truly miss your smiling and infectious personality that we have all become super fond of.”

“May your spirit and soul live on within every one of us that you touched, may you be blessed to soar high above the clouds and smile down on us with double scotch and water and may you rest in peace for eternity,” it added.

Frankie and Liam Davison, Victoria

Francesca “Frankie” and her husband Liam Davison, who were onboard the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

Photo: Francesca “Frankie” and her husband Liam Davison were onboard the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. (Supplied: Toorak College)

Toorak College, at Mount Eliza, has confirmed that teacher Frankie Davison and her husband Liam were travelling on the flight.

Principal Helen Carmody described Mrs Davidson as a much-loved teacher, colleague and friend.

“Frankie was an inspirational teacher and the most amazing person,” she said.

“She was kind, generous, and truly warm and giving to everybody – she was a very, very popular teacher and was well-loved by all the students, parents and staff.”

Mary and Gerry Menke, Victoria

Business owners Mary and Gerry Menke from the small coastal community of Mallacoota in far eastern Victoria were among the passengers on flight MH17.

The couple were involved in the abalone industry and were producing pearl jewellery.

Jeanette Seignior from Business and Tourism East Gippsland says it is shocking news.

“They work in a unique part of the world – a very beautiful part of the world,” she said.

“You know, abalone’s out in the ocean and Mary owns the local beauty and hairdressing shop in Mallacoota.

“Mallacoota’s not a very big place so it’ll be a great loss for that community.”

Elaine Teoh and Emiel Mahler, Victoria

Elaine Teoh and Emiel Mahler

Photo: Elaine Teoh and Emiel Mahler in happier times. (ABC: Supplied)

Victorian-based finance workers Elaine Teoh and Emiel Mahler have been remembered as “beloved” staff at IG Australia.

As foreign nationals, Ms Teoh – who was Malaysian – and Mr Mahler – who was Dutch, have not been counted on the official toll of Australians killed in the disaster.

In a statement, IG Australia sent its condolences to the families of the pair.

“IG Australia wishes to send its deepest sympathies … to the families of our colleague and former colleague Elaine Teoh and Emiel Mahler,” it said.

Ms Teoh graduated from the University of Melbourne with a Bachelor of Commerce in 2008.

On social media, David Teoh Qi-en said he had confirmation from Malaysia Airlines that his sister was on board the flight.

“While I understand public opinions and comments on MH17, I urge my friends to remain wise and calm when talking about it and also [to] keep my family and I in prayer as we are going through these tough times,” he wrote on Facebook.

Emma Bell, Northern Territory

Emma Bell, a teacher at the Maningrida College in Arnhem Land, was among three Territorians killed in the incident.

Ms Bell’s friend Bernard Price says her students will be upset at the news.

“She sort of had an infectious nature that rubbed off on everyone,” he said.

“Especially out here, from an education point of view – I’d sort of describe her as one of the very few who actually get it when it comes to Indigenous education.”

Ms Bell had been teaching in the Maningrida community for nearly 18 months.

Wayne and Theresa Baker, Northern Territory

Married former public servants Wayne and Theresa Baker from Darwin were returning home after holidaying in Europe.

The couple have two adult sons still living in the Top End.

Mrs Baker’s mother Angela Turnbull remembers her daughter as a loving and devoted person.

“She loved her job – she only just retired from her job in March in Darwin and their plan was to do a lot of travelling,” she said.

“She was a very devoted mother .

Ms Turnbull says the couple lived in the Darwin region for most of their adult lives.

“Before they got married, they moved up there and then they came home and got married and moved back up there because [the] work situation was better than down here,” she said.

Arjen and Yvonne Ryder, WA

Married couple Arjen and Yvonne Ryder from Albany in the state’s south were on board flight MH17.

Mr Ryder worked for the Department of Agriculture while his wife was a teacher.

Ruhi Furdowsian, who worked with Mr Ryder for many years, has paid tribute to his friend and colleague.

“The memory I have of him is his lovely smile and approachable attitude that he had,” he said.

“He was a very hard-working person, always on time, always dedicating his life and time to his work.”

Edel Mahady, WA

Edel Mahady who was on board flight MH17 was an administrator at a West Australian Catholic school.


Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 ‘shot down’ on Ukraine-Russia border

  • Malaysia Airlines plane shot down over eastern Ukraine
  • Surface-to-air missile used
  • 27 Australians were among the 298 on board
  • Pro-Russian separatists blamed, but have denied attack
  • The plane was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur

Russian MH17 response ‘unsatisfactory’

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PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has told of the difficulty of investigations into the downed MH17 flight, saying it will be weeks before there are answers for the victims’ families.

He said Australian officials have been deployed to the region.

“Yesterday we saw the smouldering wreckage on our screens, today we have seen some of the faces of the dead,” he said.

“As a nation we need to prepare ourselves for difficult and painful weeks ahead as we strive to find out precisely what has happened and who is responsible.

“My aim is to get justice for Australia, in particular to get justice for the dead and the living. The only way to get justice is if there is a thorough investigation and that means getting access to the site as swiftly as possible … it’s imperative that the site is made available to investigators without molestation and hindrance as fast as possible.”

Abbott said the area is controlled by rebels and “bodies remain strewn over the fields of Eastern Ukraine”.

He emphasised just how dangerous the situation is.

“Overnight, a monitoring mission from the organisation for the Organisation of Security and Co-operation in Europe did gain temporary access but it was driven off by gunfire presumably from the Russian-backed rebels.

“This does highlight though the difficulty and danger of this mission.”

Attempts to contact the Russian government have been unsuccessful so far.

The Ukraine government had said it would give Australia all the support it needed to access the site to retrieve bodies and protect evidence.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop will be heading to the US to champion Australia’s campaign at the UN Security Council for an independent comprehensive international investigation with access to the site, debris, black box and any possible witnesses.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade have deployed six officers to Kiev and more are on their way, including a five-member emergency response team. Australian Federal Police investigators are also on their way, and more are ready to be deployed as the situation develops.

Contingency arrangements have been put in place to repatriate the bodies, he added.

“Although I must caution this is likely to be weeks, rather than days ahead.”

Ms Bishop noted that for the investigation to proceed, a cease fire around the crash site would be required.

Qantas and Virgin have offered their support for any Australians travelling to the site.

 

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Source: Getty Images

 

Meanwhile, the Government doesn’t want the MH17 disaster to distract from its G20 agenda despite growing pressure for Australia to bar Russia from attending the forum later this year.

The downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 has overshadowed the opening of the G20 trade ministers meeting in Sydney on Saturday, where top officials from the world’s 20 richest nations including Russia have gathered to discuss economic growth.

Treasurer Joe Hockey said there was a “steely determination” to find out who was responsible for the disaster but also not to allow it to distract from the task facing G20 ministers.

“There’s no doubt the events are tragic, just tragic,” Mr Hockey said in Sydney ahead of the G20 meeting.

“But we have to move on with the world, bring those people to justice that were responsible for that horrendous act, but also not allow it to distract us from the challenge of creating a world that has greater prosperity and freedom.”

Nearly 300 people — including 28 Australians — were killed when MH17 was shot down in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border. Suspicion has fallen on Russian-backed rebels, prompting calls for Moscow to be punished with trade sanctions.

Trade Minister Andrew Robb, who met with his Russian counterpart Alexey Ulyukaev ahead of chairing the G20 meeting, didn’t rule out the prospect of trade sanctions if Russia didn’t play ball.

“These are things we need to consider in the goodness of time,” Mr Robb said.

“It is a matter of how Russia responds, co-operates and is proactive in seeking answers.”

Malaysian prime minister’s grief

The step-grandmother of Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak was on board MH17, the country’s defence minister confirmed.

Hishammuddin Hussein, a cousin of Najib’s, said 83-year-old Siti Amirah was “on the flight”. Siti Amirah was also Hishammuddin’s step-grandmother.

“Pls pray 4 her,” he wrote on his Twitter feed above a photo of her in an Islamic headscarf.

 

 

 

The defence minister’s tweet today confirmed an earlier report in the Star newspaper that said Siti Amirah had embarked alone in Amsterdam on board flight MH17 en route to the Indonesian city of Jogjakarta.

She was scheduled to transit at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

Bizarre account

A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash – suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

Air travel warning

Pilots and aircraft operators are being warned by the Australian aviation regulator to avoid flying over eastern Ukraine, following similar advice from US and European air safety agencies.

No Australian planes are presently scheduled to fly above eastern Ukraine where MH17 was shot down by a suspected surface-to-air missile, killing all 298 people on board.

“Australian air operators and pilots considering operations in eastern European airspace (should) take into account all available safety notices and bulletins regarding flights in the Ukraine region,” the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) said.

“Particular attention should be given to notices issued by the United States Federal Aviation Administration and the European Aviation Safety Agency.” US aircraft have been prohibited by the country’s Federal Aviation Administration from flying above parts of eastern Ukraine. “The restricted area includes the entire Simferopol and Dnepropetrovsk … regions,” the FAA said.

“This action expands a prohibition of US flight operations issued by the FAA in April, over the Crimean region of Ukraine and adjacent areas of the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.”

First photo of pilot

Details of the pilots of downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 have been revealed.

The plane with 298 people on board, including at least 28 Australians, was downed about 12.15am Sydney time yesterday.

The flight MH17, a Boeing 777-200, was travelling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur but was shot down in separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine.

The two captains on the plane were Eugene Choo Jin Leong, 45, and Wan Amran Wan Hussin, 50, according to a list.

A photograph of Leong shows him alongside a motorbike. A family member of Leong’s, who did not want to be named, confirmed that he was on board the plane. Meanwhile, Captain Wan Amran Wan Hussin’s wife reportedly told the New Straits Times that he had contacted her minutes before he boarded the flight.

The mother-of-two was shocked to learn what had happened when she randomly checked her phone.

“I had just finished my prayers and decided to checked my handphone as the battery had earlier gone flat.

“I was shocked to see a message from my children’s ustaz (religious teacher) informing me that a Malaysia Airlines plane had crashed.

“I was taken aback and immediately switched on the television to see what was going on.”

 

First photo of MH17 pilot

Pilot: Eugene Choo Jin Leong was flying Malaysia airlines MH17 when it was shot down Source: Supplied

 

Nationalities of victims

Malaysia Airlines has released a new list of the nationalities of passengers who lost their lives on MH17. It lists 27 Australian lives lost — while the number according to Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is 28, including a dual-citizen.

• Netherlands: 189

• Malaysia: 44

• Australia: 27

• Indonesia: 12

• UK: 9

• Belgium: 4

• Germany: 4

• Philippines: 3

• Canada: 1

• New Zealand: 1

Four passengers’ nationalities have not yet been verified.

The full list of names have been released in the flight manifesto.

Flight MH17 Passenger Manifest

Day of mourning

Several hundred members of an exclusive Sydney school community have gathered at a church in the city’s east to hold a special mass for a much-loved teacher killed in the MH17 attack.

Sydney nun Sister Philomene Tiernan was on board the Malaysia Airlines flight

Sister Philomene worked for more than 30 years as a teacher and director of boarding at Catholic school Kincoppal-Rose Bay and was remembered fondly by students yesterday.

“The impact of this is just unbelievable in the whole community,” a year 12 student who did not want to be named said. On a cold Saturday morning several nuns, students and their parents and associates of the school arrived at Saint Mary Magdalene church in Rose Bay for a special mass.

Parish Priest Monsignor Tony Doherty said the special prayer service, which began at 9am, would “focus our grief and loss of such an extraordinary woman.”

Sister Philomene Tiernan, aged 77, was a passenger on Malaysian Airline Flight MH17.

Sister Philomene Tiernan, aged 77, was a passenger on Malaysian Airline Flight MH17. Source: Supplied

People leave the church after Sister Philomene Tiernan’s memorial. Picture: Damian Shaw

People leave the church after Sister Philomene Tiernan’s memorial. Picture: Damian Shaw Source: News Corp Australia

The world has been rocked by the tragedy, with people attending a range of memorial sites.

Floral tributes are seen for Sunbury (Victoria) couple Albert Rizk and his wife Marie Riz

Floral tributes are seen for Sunbury (Victoria) couple Albert Rizk and his wife Marie Rizk. Source: Getty Images

Melburnians begin to leave floral tributes to those lost aboard MH17.

Melburnians begin to leave floral tributes to those lost aboard MH17. Source: News Corp Australia

A visitor places flowers at a temporary memorial for the victims in Berlin.

A visitor places flowers at a temporary memorial for the victims in Berlin. Source: Getty Images

A candle burns nex to flowers at the entrance to Schiphol Airport.

A candle burns next to flowers at the entrance to Schiphol Airport. Source: Getty Images

‘Ban Putin from G20’

Australia should consider uninviting Russian President Vladimir Putin from the Brisbane G20 meeting over his government’s “reckless and stupid” actions leading up to the MH17 disaster, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says.

Mr Shorten said he was fully supportive of the Australian government’s strong stance over the apparent downing of the Malaysia Airlines flight by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

“For an outside nation to have supplied these Ukrainian rebels with this weaponry of war and murder is a very, very reckless and stupid act,” he told reporters in Melbourne on Saturday.

“It is in the interests of resolving what has happened that all of the great powers, including the Russian Federation, support what was said at the United Nations Security Council last night.” The council called for a thorough investigation of the crash. Mr Shorten said the Australian government should consider barring Mr Putin from the upcoming G20 meeting in Brisbane if the country did not support the investigation.

“If the Russian Federation will not co-operate to help resolve and get to the heart of what has happened here, I don’t think Australians would welcome them coming to the G20,” he said.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. Source: News Corp Australia

Royal condolences

Prince William has expressed his sympathy for all those affected by the disaster, noting in particular the impact on Australians.

Speaking at Australia House in London, the Duke of Cambridge spoke of his great sadness.

“For all of us who have lost fellow countrymen and women in the tragedy, words cannot do justice to our sense of loss,” he said. “For Australians, for our Malaysian brothers and sisters in the Commonwealth, the crash is a particularly cruel tragedy, coming so soon after the loss of MH370.” He said his family’s thoughts and prayers were with everyone affected.

The Duke was at Australia House to unveil a statue of Matthew Flinders, the first explorer to circumnavigate Australia.

Australian High Commissioner to London Alexander Downer also spoke about the tragedy, asking for a moment’s silence for those killed.

Britain's Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (R) and his brother Prince Harry stand on the

Britain’s Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, and his brother Prince Harry. Source: AFP

Obama speaks out

US President Barack Obama has sent his condolences to the families of victims. He has also paid tribute to AIDS researchers and activists who were bound for an international conference in Melbourne.

The president phoned Prime Minister Tony Abbott to discuss the tragedy.

“The president expressed condolences on behalf of the American people to the Australian families who lost loved ones on board the flight,” a statement from the White House said today.

US President Barack Obama addresses the plane crash of flight MH17.

US President Barack Obama addresses the plane crash of flight MH17. Source: AFP

Death toll

Meanwhile, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has warned the Australian death toll may still rise as investigators work to uncover the identities of 41 victims of the MH17 disaster who are not yet accounted for.

Speaking on Sky News last night, Ms Bishop also confirmed a 28th Australian death is that of a dual citizen.

The Foreign Minister has issued a stark warning to Russia as it becomes increasingly clear that pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine are responsible for bringing down the jet.

Using language that is more direct than is custom in international relations, Ms Bishop made it clear Australia would use its position on the United Nations Security Council to push for an international investigation and warned Russia not to stand in the way.

“Russia has a crucial role to play in all of this. If, as Russia claims, Ukraine is responsible for this, I expect Russia to support a thorough investigation”, she said.

Ms Bishop’s words were backed by the UN Security Council, which passed a unanimous motion calling for a full and thorough investigation.

“The members of the Security Council called for a full, thorough and independent international investigation into the incident in accordance with international civil aviation guidelines and for appropriate accountability,” the council said in a unanimous declaration.

The UN statement expressed the council’s “deepest sympathies and condolences to the families of the victims, and to the people and governments of all those killed in the crash.”

Council members stood in a moment of silent tribute to the 298 victims at the start of an emergency council meeting. The council called for an investigation “in accordance with international civil aviation guidelines and for appropriate accountability.”

It stressed the need for “immediate access by investigators to the crash site to determine the cause of the incident.”

Ms Bishop also said she had been unable to get in touch with her Russian counterpart, who is on holidays, and was told by the Russians she could not speak to a more junior representative.

The comments came after Prime Minister Tony Abbott earlier condemned the initial response of the Russian Ambassador to the MH17 disaster.

Julie Bishop following her meeting with the Russian Ambassador Vladimir Morozov.

Julie Bishop following her meeting with the Russian Ambassador Vladimir Morozov. Source: AFP

Mr Abbott said it was “highly probable” MH17 was “shot down” by what appeared to be a Russian-backed rebel missile.

Yesterday afternoon, the Prime Minister revealed the first response from the Russian Ambassador was to blame Ukraine forces for the tragedy — a response he called “deeply, deeply unsatisfactory”.

The ambassador had been summoned to speak in Sydney with Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, who was seeking assurances Russia would co-operate with investigators and Australia would get access to the crash site.

Mr Abbott repeated his statement made in Parliament that the disaster was a crime and not an accident.

Rescue crews walk through the crash site.

Rescue crews walk through the crash site. Source: AP

Australia was working for a binding UN Security Council resolution to secure an independent international investigation, he said.

“It’s very important that we don’t allow Russia to prevent an absolutely comprehensive investigation.”

Mr Abbott said Australia was eager to take a leading role in the investigation, given the high number of Australians killed.

“These people were innocent people going about their lives … And they have been killed by Russian-backed rebels … Possibly with Russian supplied missiles.”

He had strong words for those that supplied the rebels with the missile.

“Anyone who gave such a weapon to people who were absolutely incapable of using it … Should feel a sense of shame.”

He said Russia’s involvement would be a test for that country. “There can be no excuses, no buck passing.”

Mr Abbott said there would be a national day of mourning and ordered flags at government buildings to be flown at half-mast tomorrow.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said anyone with concerns for friends or family can call the hotline on 1300 555 135.

People search for bodies near the wreckage of Flight MH17

People search for bodies near the wreckage of Flight MH17 Source: AFP

THE VICTIMS

Malaysia Airlines says there were 298 people on board, not 295 as originally stated. At least 28 of the victims are Australian.

Among the dead are Victorian couple Albert and Marie Rizk, who are believed to have missed an earlier flight and ended up on MH17.

Mr Rizk, a local real estate agent, and his wife, who have two children, were due to return home from Europe today after spending a month abroad on holidays.

Other victims are 27-year-old Melbourne student Elaine Teoh, Sister Philomene Tiernan — a teacher at eastern Sydney’s Catholic girls’ school — and Perth management consultant Nick Norris, who was travelling with his grandchildren.

Denis Napthine, the Premier of Victoria, said it was likely there were permanent residents of Australia travelling on other passports who were also killed in the crash.

Albert Rizk (on left) and wife Marie (third from left) the couple believed to be on fligh

Albert Rizk (on left) and wife Marie (third from left) the couple believed to be on flight MH-17. Source: Supplied

The airline confirmed that those on board included 28 Australians, as well as 154 Dutch, 43 Malaysians, 12 Indonesian (including one infant), nine from the UK, four German, four Beligum, three Filipinos, one Canadian. The nationalities of 41 others on the plane were still unknown.

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Malaysia Airlines plane shot down

Debris from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 is shown smouldering in a field July 17, 2014 in Grabovo, Ukraine near the Russian border. Source: Getty Images

REACTION

Government minister Ian MacFarlane has played down the possibility that Vladimir Putin could be excluded from the G20 summit in Brisbane in November.

“It’s not a security forum and therefore while we need to be mindful that an investigation does have to take place and we do have to obviously see exactly what’s happened here, in terms of the G20, it is an economic forum not a security forum.”

In the US, Hillary Clinton, the former US secretary of state, and possible presidential candidate, said in a television interview that indications pointed to Russian-backed side and action was needed to “put [Vladimir] Putin on notice that he has gone too far and we are not going to stand idly by”.

“The questions I’d be asking is, number one, who could have shot it down? Who had the equipment? It’s obviously an anti-aircraft missile. Who could have had the expertise to do that? Because commercial airlines are big targets, but by the time they got over that part of Ukraine they should have been high, so it takes some planning [to target such a plane].

“And the Ukrainian government has been quick to blame it on terrorists, which is their name for the Russian insurgents. And there does seem to be some growing awareness that it probably had to be Russian insurgents.”

A firefighter stands among the wreckage. DOMINIQUE FAGET/AFP/Getty Images

A firefighter stands among the wreckage. DOMINIQUE FAGET/AFP/Getty Images Source: Getty Images

AIDS CONFERENCE

One of those on board was HIV researcher Joep Lange, who was on his way to Melbourne from the Netherlands to attend the 20th International AIDS Conference, AIDS2014.

As many as 100 of the passengers were thought to be headed to Melbourne for the conference. Organisers have confirmed it will go ahead as planned

“The International AIDS Society (IAS) today expresses its sincere sadness at receiving news that a number of colleagues and friends en route to attend the 20th International AIDS Conference taking place in Melbourne, Australia, were on board the Malaysian Airlines MH17 flight that has crashed over Ukraine earlier today,” a statement from the International AIDS Society said.

“At this incredibly sad and sensitive time the IAS stands with our international family and sends condolences to the loved ones of those who have been lost to this tragedy.”

The event is to be held in Melbourne from July 20-25.

People stand next to the wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines flight. AFP PHOTO/DOMINIQUE FA

People stand next to the wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines flight. AFP PHOTO/DOMINIQUE FAGET Source: AFP

Australian passport found at Malaysia Airlines wreckage site. Photo: Live Leak

Australian passport found at Malaysia Airlines wreckage site. Photo: Live Leak Source: Supplied

Earlier, Ukraine’s Interior Minister Anton Gerashchenko was quoted as saying the plane had been shot down by a ground-to-air missile.

According to CNN senior US officials have concluded the plane was shot down but were divided over the origin.

“One radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down Thursday,” CNN is reporting.

A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit.

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INTERCEPTED PHONE CALLS

The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has reportedly released recordings of intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups that took place about 20 minutes after the crash.

One call was apparently made by Igor Bezler, who the SBU says is a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic.

Igor Bezler: “We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).”

Vasili Geranin, a colonel in the main intelligence department Russian Federation armed forces then asks: “Pilots. Where are the pilots?”

Bezler replies: “Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.”

“We have just shot down a plane” (translated)

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A second call was between militants nicknamed “Major” and “Greek” about 40 minutes later.

“It’s 100 per cent a passenger (civilian) aircraft,” Major is recorded as admitting that he had seen no weapons on site. “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.”

Australian Federal MP Christopher Pyne said there was no doubt that the plane was shot out of the sky. But Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said that at this stage it had been unable to verify the cause of the tragedy.

Earlier Mr Gerashchenko told the Wall Street Journal pro-Russia rebels had set up a ground-to-missile battery near the Russian border by the town of Snizhne.

“They clearly thought that it was a military transport plane that they were shooting at,” he said. “They were the ones who did this.”

Wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 295 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lump

Wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 298 people from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Picture: AFP / DOMINIQUE FAGET Source: AFP

WHAT HAPPENED?

The plane appeared to have broken up before hitting the ground, and the burning wreckage — which included body parts and the belongings of passengers — was scattered over a wide area.

It came down near the town of Shaktarsk, in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, and shocking photos of bodies among the wreckage have been posted on Twitter.

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“Malaysia Airlines confirms it received notification from Ukrainian ATC that it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 1415 (GMT) at 30km from Tamak waypoint, approximately 50km from the Russia-Ukraine border,” the carrier said in a statement on Facebook.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called the downing an act of terrorism and called for an international investigation into the crash.

Some are blaming Russia for allegedly supporting the separatists but a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin said allegations that Russia had been involved in the incident was “stupidity”.

Ukrainian woman lies down in front of Dutch embassy holding a poster reading “Putin is a

Ukrainian woman lies down in front of Dutch embassy holding a poster reading “Putin is a killer”. AP Photo/Sergei Chuzavkov Source: AP

Mr Putin has blamed Ukraine for the crash, “Undoubtedly, the government in whose air space this happened bears responsibility for this terrible tragedy,” a Kremlin statement says.

Putin reportedly opened a meeting with his economic advisers by calling for a moment of silence over the crash.

“This tragedy would not have happened if there were peace on this land, if the military actions had not been renewed in southeast Ukraine. And, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility for this awful tragedy,” he said, according to the statement.

The village of Grabovo is currently under the control of the separatists and the area has seen severe fighting between the two sides in recent days.

A man stands next to the wreckage of the Malaysian Airlines plane. AFP PHOTO/DOMINIQUE FA

A man stands next to the wreckage of the Malaysian Airlines plane. Picture: AFP / DOMINIQUE FAGET Source: AFP

SEPARATIST MOVEMENT

Ukraine is a country in crisis. The region where MH17 went down has seen severe fighting between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia separatists in recent days. Ukraine has been in crisis ever since pro-Moscow President Viktor Yanukovych was driven from office in February by a protest movement among citizens wanting closer ties with the European Union. Russia later annexed the Crimean Peninsula in southern Ukraine, and pro-Russians separatists in the country’s eastern regions began occupying government buildings and pressing for independence. Moscow denies Western charges it is supporting the separatists or sowing unrest.

Wreckage near the town of Shaktarsk, in rebel-held east Ukraine. AFP PHOTO/DOMINIQUE FAGE

Wreckage near the town of Shaktarsk, in rebel-held east Ukraine. Picture: AFP / DOMINIQUE FAGET Source: AFP

Luggage on the site of the crash of the crash. AFP PHOTO/DOMINIQUE FAGET

Luggage on the site of the crash of the crash. Picture: AFP /DOMINIQUE FAGET Source: AFP

Flames among the wreckage. AFP PHOTO/DOMINIQUE FAGET

Flames among the wreckage. Picture: AFP / DOMINIQUE FAGET Source: AFP

SEPARATISTS BLAMED

In a statement, Mr Poroshenko said the plane “disappeared from radar screens”.

“In recent days, this is the third tragic accident after the Russian territory were downed aircraft AN-26 and SU-25 Armed Forces of Ukraine. We do not exclude that this aircraft was also shot down, and stress that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not commit any action to defeat the purposes of the air,” Mr Poroshenko added.

A defence expert told the BBC that shooting down a plane at that height would have required a long-range surface-to-air missile — possibly guided by radar.

Oleg Tsarev, one of the leaders of the breakaway Donetsk People’s Republic, told Time that the rebels did not shoot down the plane.

“We don’t have weapons that can take down a plane from that altitude,” he said, minutes after news of the crash broke.

But there are reports that rebels did have an anti-aircraft military station and the Russian state media even congratulated the rebels on their new Russian-made Buk missile launchers seized from a Ukrainian air force base.

“The Donetsk resistance fighters have captured an anti-aircraft military station,” the Kremlin’s main television network Vesti announced three weeks ago.

Since then there have been regular downings of Ukrainian aircraft including an AN-26 military transport plane, which was shot down on Monday. Its four crew members were taken hostage after they ejected from the aircraft, rebels later confirmed.

According to The Telegraph, the DPR also posted a Twitter picture of a missile system that it captured when it overran a Ukrainian army garrison on June 29.

A spokesman told Voice of Russia radio at the time: “The forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic assumed control of A-1402 (regiment’s) military base” and boasted of capturing the Buk launcher.

Ukrainian government forces manoeuvre a Buk anti-aircraft missile launcher. AP Photo/Dmit

Ukrainian government forces manoeuvre a Buk anti-aircraft missile launcher. Picture: AP / Dmitry Lovetsky Source: AP

 

A similar weapon was reportedly seen by an Associated Press journalist on Thursday in Snizhne.

As news spread of the crashed Malaysia Airlines flight, the separatists deleted the Twitter photo of the captured missile system.

A raft of global airlines, including Air France, Turkish Airlines and Lufthansa, swiftly responded to the disaster by saying they had been avoiding airspace over eastern Ukraine due to safety concerns.

Qantas has confirmed that it has not flown the route across the Ukraine in recent months because it recognised the risks presented by the separatist conflict, during which the aircraft were being shot down.

They were further advised on Thursday to avoid Ukraine’s airspace

In France, a statement by junior transport minister Frederic Cuvillier said he had advised “French airlines to avoid Ukraine’s air space as long as the reasons behind this catastrophe are not known.”

FLIGHT PATH

Flight MH17 departed Amsterdam at 12:15pm (Amsterdam local time, 8:15pm AEDT) on Thursday and was scheduled to arrive in Kuala Lumpur at 6:10am (Malaysia local time, 8:10am AEDT) the next day.

A Malaysian official tonight told a news conference the flight path was approved by the International Civilian Aviation Organisation and was in unrestricted airspace.

The plane disappeared from radar when flying at 10,000 metres cruising altitude, Interfa-Ukraine reports.

The Daily Beast reported the plane’s “black box” was on its way to Moscow for “investigation”.

But the head of Ukrainian Emergency Situations has since reportedly claimed that search efforts at the scene are being hampered by “armed terrorists”.

In response to the disaster Thai Airways said its flights to Europe have been rerouted to avoid Ukrainian airspace.

The company didn’t say when the route changes were made effective or how many flights were affected.

America’s FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) has also banned US flights from entering the airspace of eastern Ukraine. Via Mashable.

“The FAA has made official what most airlines were already doing: American flights are barred from entering the airspace of eastern Ukraine “until further notice,” the agency says. Flights were already officially barred from Crimea and surrounding areas.”

The crash comes just four months after the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which remains missing

Malaysia’s prime minister Najib Razak said he was “shocked” by the reports. “We are launching an immediate investigation,” he said.

The Kremlin said US President Barack Obama and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin had discussed the crash over the phone.

He said US would offer any assistance it could to determine what happened.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the passengers, wherever they call home.”

A statement from the White House said there needed to be a “full, credible and unimpeded” investigation and urged all concerned — Russia, pro-Russians separatists and the Ukraine — to agree to an immediate ceasefire so investigators could gain access to the crash site.

Malaysia Airlines shot down on Ukraine-Russia border.

Malaysia Airlines shot down on Ukraine-Russia border. In this Press Association graphic the earlier figure of 295 was given before the airline revised the figure to 298. Source: Supplied

Malaysian airlines flight MH17: Tony Abbott says ‘Russian-backed rebels’ likely to blame on ‘grim day’ for Australia

Prime Minister Tony Abbott says the deaths of 300 people on board a downed Malaysia Airlines passenger jet is a grim day for the nation and a grim day for the world.

At least 27 Australians are among the dead after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by a missile over rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine.

The plane was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, where many of the passengers were due to catch connecting flights to Australia.

Today Mr Abbott said the plane seemed to have been shot down “by Russian-backed rebels”.

He indicated he believed that Russia or Russian arms played a part in the disaster.

“This look less like an accident than a crime,” he told Parliament.

“The bullying of small countries by big ones, the trampling of justice and decency in the pursuit of national aggrandisement, and reckless indifference to human life should have no place in our world.”

“Our hearts go out to the families of all the dead.”

Mr Abbott said Russian ambassador to Australia Vladimir Morozov was being summoned by Foreign Affairs minister Julie Bishop to seek assurances that the Russian government would fully cooperate with the investigation.

Australian officials are seeking to get access to the crash site and a DFAT team is being sent to Ukraine’s capital Kiev.

“Australia will be working at the United Nations Security Council for a binding resolution calling for a full and impartial investigation with full access to the site, with full access to the debris, with full access to the black box and with full access to all individuals who might be in a position to shed light on this terrible event,” he added.

‘Tyrannical, wild act’, says Shorten

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said the shooting down of MH17 was shocking and bewildering.

“Travelling at six miles’ height, this is unimaginable. This is a violation of the rules of civilisation. This is a tyrannical, wild act,” he said.

Mr Shorten said the Government had Labor’s full support.

“The missile that brought down MH17 and the missiles that have claimed numerous other Ukrainian aircraft could not possibly be made by the people who’ve possibly fired them,” he said.

“These separatist terrorists are obtaining these instruments of murder from elsewhere.”

Mr Shorten said it was time for national unity.

“It is a time for temperate responses, for cool heads and measured action,” he said.

“That is indeed the strongest possible response that Australians expect from us.

“This horrific situation can seem far removed from our daily lives but there is no question that the conflict in this disputed part of the Ukraine has now reached Australia.”

Many passengers heading to Melbourne HIV/AIDS conference

It is believed that a number of people on board the crashed flight were on their way to a Melbourne HIV/AIDS conference.

The 20th International AIDS conference is due to start in Melbourne on Sunday and run until July 25.

The International AIDS Society has confirmed its former Dutch president Joep Lange was killed in the crash.

Speaker Bronwyn Bishop is due to address the HIV/AIDS conference on Monday.

“I know there will be many empty spots,” she said.

“I think that what we’re doing is mourning with all the world and all that have been lost. We want to see justice but in a measured way.”

The shooting down of MH17 comes while the search goes on for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which vanished mysteriously on March 8.

18/07/14 Updated 35 minutes ago

Up to 27 Australians were among 298 people on board a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet which was shot down over Ukraine with the loss of all on board.

Flight MH17 was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was apparently blown out of the sky by a missile near Ukraine’s border with Russia.

Dutch authorities have confirmed 27 Australians were on board the plane. DFAT says it is working to confirm that figure.

US vice president Joe Biden says the aircraft was “blown out of the sky” and it was “not an accident”.

Ukraine and the pro-Russian separatists it is currently fighting in the east of the country have both denied shooting the plane down.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said it would be an “unspeakable crime” if the aircraft was proven to have been shot down.

“If it does turn out that this aircraft was brought down by a surface-to-air missile, there is no doubt this would be – under those circumstances – an unspeakable crime and the perpetrators should swiftly be brought to justice,” he said.

However, he emphasised that there are no hard facts at the moment.

The Prime Minister said the Government was making arrangements to deploy consular staff to Kiev to provide whatever assistance they could.

Passengers on board MH17

  • Netherlands: 154
  • Australia: 27
  • Malaysia: 23
  • Indonesia: 11
  • UK: 6
  • Germany: 4
  • Belgium: 4
  • Philippines: 3
  • Canada: 1

Source: Dutch officials

Earlier Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko said the downing of the airliner was an act of terrorism.

Media reports suggest the aircraft was downed by a Buk ground-to-air missile.

Russia’s Interfax news agency says pro-Russian separatists have claimed to have found the plane’s black box.

Malaysia Airlines said flight tracking data indicated the plane was at its cruising altitude of 33,000 feet (10,000 metres) when it disappeared.

The BBC is quoting one farm worker in the area as saying, “I was working in the field on my tractor when I heard the sound of a plane, then a bang and shots”.

Another said: “There was thick black smoke from a nearby factory. From my balcony I saw a plane begin to descend from a great height and then heard two explosions.”

The disaster comes just four months after Malaysia Airlines lost contact with flight MH370, another Boeing 777 carrying more than 200 people. The fate of that aircraft remains a mystery.

On Twitter, Mr Poroshenko described the incident as an attack by terrorists.

“We do not exclude that the plane was shot down and confirm that the Ukraine Armed Forces did not fire at any targets in the sky,” Mr Poroshenko said in a statement posted on the president’s website.

Malaysian president Najib Razak said he was “shocked”.

“I am shocked by reports that an MH plane crashed,” he said on his Twitter account. “We are launching an immediate investigation.”

The White House says US president Barack Obama has ordered senior US officials to remain in close touch with Ukrainian officials about the downed plane.

Mr Obama has spoken to Russian president Vladimir Putin about the crash.

“The Russian leader informed the US president about an air-traffic controllers’ report that came just before their phone conversation that a Malaysian plane crashed in Ukraine,” the Kremlin said in a statement.

Other airlines are now avoiding east Ukrainian air space, including Germany’s biggest airline Lufthansa.

“Lufthansa has decided to avoid the east Ukrainian air space by a wide margin with immediate effect,” a company spokesperson said.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17: Official statements

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Malaysia Airlines MH17: Phone tap reveals pro-Russian separatists claiming responsibility for passenger plane downed over Ukraine

Updated 30 minutes ago

Igor Bezler

Photo: “We have just shot down a plane”: Pro-Russian separatist Igor Bezler.

Ukrainian wire taps appear to have captured pro-Russian separatists claiming responsibility for shooting down a Malaysian airliner over rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crashed en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, killing all 289 people on board, including at least 27 Australians.

Ukraine’s Kyiv Post newspaper has posted what it says is a conversation between a separatist commander and Russian intelligence officer Vasili Geranin.

In the transcript, released by Ukraine’s security service, the separatist, identified as Igor Bezler, says: “We have just shot down a plane. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).”

The paper also has a transcript of what it says is a conversation between two separatists identified as “Major” and “Greek”.

“The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first 200. We have found the first 200 – a civilian,” Major says, referring to the codeword for a dead person.

“In short, it was 100 per cent a passenger aircraft.

“These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.””

The paper also posted part of a third conversation between Cossack commander Nikolay Kozitsin and an unidentified militant.

“Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one – fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this,” the militant says.

“They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?”

Kozitsin replies: “That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f***ing flying. There is a war going on.”

Military analysts have speculated that militants mistook the passenger jet for a military aircraft.

Earlier Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko said the downing of the airliner was an act of terrorism.

“MH-17 is not an incident or catastrophe, it is a terrorist attack,” he tweeted.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said it would be an “unspeakable crime” if the aircraft was proven to have been shot down.

“If it does turn out that this aircraft was brought down by a surface-to-air missile, there is no doubt this would be – under those circumstances – an unspeakable crime and the perpetrators should swiftly be brought to justice,” he said.

US vice-president Joe Biden earlier said the aircraft was “blown out of the sky” and it was “not an accident”.

Reuben Johnson from defence publication Jane’s Military says all the missile systems in the area of Ukraine where the plane was downed had been seized by separatists.

“We have some telephone recordings that were intercepted by the Ukrainian security service … that has the separatists talking to each other, saying ‘We shot down a plane’,” he said.

“So there’s not too much that’s left to the imagination.”

The conversation between Major and Greek, as posted by the Kyiv Post:

Major: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

Greek: Yes, Major.

Major: The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first 200. We have found the first 200 – a civilian.

Greek: Well, what do you have there?

Major: In short, it was 100 per cent a passenger aircraft.

Greek: Are many people there?

Major: Holy sh**t! The debris fell right into the yards [of homes].

Greek: What kind of aircraft?

Major: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

Greek: Is there anything left of the weapon?

Major: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

Greek: Are there documents?

Major: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.


 

This is what Ukraine, Russia, Malaysia Airlines and others are saying about the MH17 crash. There are claims the passenger jet, with nearly 300 people on board, may have been shot down by a missile. All the passengers and crew are dead.

Malaysia Airlines

Malaysia Airlines confirms it received notification from Ukrainian ATC that it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 1415 (GMT) at 30km from Tamak waypoint, approximately 50km from the Russia-Ukraine border.

Flight MH17 operated on a Boeing 777 departed Amsterdam at 12.15pm (Amsterdam local time) and was estimated to arrive at Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 6.10 am (Malaysia local time) the next day.

The flight was carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew onboard.

Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko

This is not an incident or catastrophe, it is a terrorist attack.

We do not exclude that the plane was shot down and confirm that the Ukraine Armed Forces did not fire at any targets in the sky.

Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak

I am shocked by reports that an MH plane crashed. We are launching an immediate investigation.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott

On reports MH17 was shot down:

Look, we just have all sorts of reports and claims flying around. That’s all we have at the moment – reports and claims. I’m very conscious of the fact that the Ukrainian president has made that statement (on the plane being shot down).

I believe they’ve been other statements from people in authority in Ukraine, but we just can’t say.

If it does turn out that this aircraft was brought down by a surface-to-air missile, there is no doubt this would be – under those circumstances – an unspeakable crime and the perpetrators should swiftly be brought to justice.

On what the Government can do for families:

We can assure families that at the highest levels of government we feel for them. We grieve with them, we pray for them. That’s the first thing we do, and the second thing we do is to try to provide whatever practical assistance we can in terms of counsel, in terms of repatriation of remains and so on.

This is just a very, very sad time made worse by reports that it might be a crime rather than an accident.

Australian Department of Foreign Affairs

The loss of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over Ukraine is a tragedy.

Initial reports indicate there were 295 people on board and there are no survivors of the crash. We have grave concerns that a number of Australians may have been on board the flight. Officials are urgently working to seek confirmation with relevant authorities.

If you have any concerns for the welfare of Australian family or friends, you should attempt to directly contact them.

If you are unable to contact them and still hold concerns for their welfare, you should call DFAT’s 24-hour Consular Emergency Centre on +61 2 6261 3305 from overseas, or within Australia on 1300 555 135.

Spokesman for Russian president Vladimir Putin

The president of Russia asked the prime minister of Malaysia to convey his deepest sympathy and support to the victims’ families.

US president Barack Obama

The world is watching reports of a downed passenger jet near the Russia/Ukraine border, and it looks like it may be a terrible tragedy.

I have directed my national security team to stay in close contact with the Ukrainian government. The United States will offer any assistance we can to help determine what happened and why.

And as a country, our thoughts and prayers are with all the families of the passengers, wherever they call home.

Boeing

Our thoughts and prayers are with those on board the Malaysia Airlines airplane lost over Ukrainian airspace, as well as their families and loved ones.

Boeing stands ready to provide whatever assistance is requested by authorities.

 

4 thoughts on “28 Aussies among 298 killed as Malaysia Airlines ‘blown out of sky’ by missile over Ukraine”

  1. What is happening to this world we live in? My thoughts are with the family and friends of not just the 27 Australians but all the innocent people killed in this despicable act who were just going about there business.I don’t think I will ever fly overseas again.

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  2. Gee up to 108 delegates may of been on board that plane on their way to Australia for a world conference on HIV…Tragic

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  3. Spend your life saving folks (and yourself even) and researching the terrible disease that is HIV/aids to be killed on a flight to share knowledge with other experts from around the world. A sad moment in history.

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74 thoughts on “28 Aussies among 298 killed as Malaysia Airlines ‘blown out of sky’ by missile over Ukraine

  1. Such a sad time in aviation and indeed world history. Innocent people caught up in other people’s struggles for power. Thoughts go out to all the family and friends of all the passengers. So much loss and devastation in the world today and it is only getting worse, makes me fearful for our children who will have to grow up in it.

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  2. Thanks for putting this up, Robbo. It’s crazy to think that the airspace above this war zone was still open to commercial aircraft.

    Shame on Twitter for not deleting the photos of the dead. Disgusting!

    I feel for all the families that lost loved ones in this act of terrorism. My heart goes out to them.

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    • You are right DD At least Australian media have some respect for the dead. The local media over there show EVERYTHING like life means nothing.I was shocked seeing stuff so close up.Very sad.

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  3. OMG daysreamer397 I’m not on twitter so had no idea and completely agree its absolutely disgusting. The families of the victims have enough to deal with, without having to see the graphic details splashed across media! these people need a chance to deal with the shock and begin to grieve, they don’t need those images burned into their memories.

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  4. Amazingly comprehensive report Robbo
    Well well done!
    Shocking, distressing.
    Life is so short, precious and fragile.
    My thoughts to the many grieving families and friends

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  5. Iran Air Flight 655 was callously shot down on 3 July 1988 by a US Navy cruiser – over Iranian airspace… 290 people were killed.

    The United States government “expressed regret only for the loss of innocent life and did not make a specific apology to the Iranian government.”

    Nor was it labelled a “crime”, and definitely not an “unspeakable crime”.. The Western consenus labelled it a “mistake” then… but the western consensus is that this is a crime.

    Nor were their demands for the “perpetrators to be brought to justice”, and especially not from Australia…

    FOR THE RECORD, I have sympathy for the people killed on that flight.

    But before we jump on the bash-Russia bandwagon. We need to do a few things:

    • understand the west has done exactly this (actually much worse, in terms of Ukraine is a warzone, and rebels have been bombarded over the last week by air attack, so it is not unreasonable for them to be firing at things in the air – Iran and USA had poor relations, but that Flight 665 was an outrage, and probably much more of a crime)

    • we need to understand the Russia is right to an extent. The West has stirred up political instability and meddled in the affairs of a country in Russia’s sphere of influence. Blood is on the hands of western political leaders here too.

    • The west has a long history of arming rebel groups for narrow geo-political reasons, and these groups have caused collateral damage.

    • this is not crime, not even a war crime. This is a most a misguided mistake by rebel forces under significant government bombardment – a government that broke an agreed truce 1 week ago, with the full encouragement of certain countries, to re-commence that latest round of bloodshed.

    • the “government” in Kiev are a bunch of proto-fascists that overthrew an elected governement in a coupd’etat, supported by the west. Russia has every right to oppose them.

    • the western media has raced to a conclusion without knowing the facts. The same goes for various political leaders.

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    • Good points, jje.

      If only ALL world leaders would listen to a few John Lennon, Bob Dylan and Joan Baez songs and the world would be a better place, instead of keeping economies going by funding WMD’s and the like 😊

      Idealistic I know, but hey – I ain’t Daydreamer for nothing! Lol

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      • Daydreamer397, I myself like to daydream, we spend 1/3 of our lives daydreaming. People are taught that daydreaming is wrong, but people who daydream more are less likely to become mentally ill and people who daydream more are more intelligent and it’s good for the brain. Although we shouldn’t daydream too much, that’s why each day after work I have an hour to 2 hour rest in my room and just daydream, but for the rest of the day I’m busy so I can’t daydream that much.

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    • Agree bellabrissie, Malaysia Airlines are Lazy, that plane didn’t have to fly over that part of Ukraine. That’s why I will never fly with Malaysia Airlines, their have been more Malaysia Airline plane crashes in the past, although their is a risk with any airline, especially Malaysia Airlines. Some people may be scared of flying because of it, but I’m not, I like flying, even though their is a risk.

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      • On this side topic re the flight path:
        Malaysian Air could have eliminated that particular risk by diverting their planes as some other airlines had done (ie I have read that Qantas and BA -and some others – changed their European flight paths some months (?) earlier when the conflict escalated despite there being no advice from the International Aviation Authority – sorry, may have name wrong here but whatever the relevant authority is called – that this was necessary) but they chose not to. I believe the public will shun MA now and the company will probably go under.,However, I understand that both Singapore Airlines and Air India, amongst others, continued using the same flight route, so amongst all of those companies it is really a case of “but for the grace of God there goes I”. Those other airlines had large passenger jets following M17 by whatever distance/time period. Those other airlines also put thousands of passengers at risk. This is something the public will hopefully be digesting as well.

        I cannot fathom the pain of the relatives of the dead. I feel horrified for the surviving parents (those not travelling with them) of any of those 80 or so little children.who were on board. I hope it will be ascertained without doubt that the plane broke up on impact with the missile and none of the passengers or crew would have known what hit them. It might help surviving parents to know that their precious babies had no time to suffer,in any way, no time to feel pain, no time to feel scared and alone.

        RIP the souls on flight M17.

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        • Poopy, your 100% right, Malaysia Airlines could have diverted the path MH17 was flying on, it flew over the eastern part of Ukraine about 40 miles from the Russia-Ukraine boarder, it was flying over the rebel war zone where the Russian rebels shoot their missiles, no other planes flew over this small area in Eastern Ukraine, Malaysia Airlines are Lazy, and they need a big overhaul in my opinion.

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          • As I said above, from what I understand Singapore Airlines and Air India, amongst others, were using the same flight route right up until this tragedy. Their companies will probably survive this but they have a major PR job ahead of them. I for one flew Singapore Airlines with my son not long ago to Europe from Aust. I for one, will never get on another flight nor allow my child to get on another flight until I am satisfied that the Airline really puts the safety of it’s passengers first. I hope that all airlines will act accordingly, even if it has to come as a result of competition for their share of the business.

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  6. MH17 being shot down by a Ground to Air Missile is a Crime, whoever did it should be brought to justice. May every person on that flight RIP.

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    • Like that comment above if you agree, even though it was accidently shot down, that’s still a crime because the person who shot the missile was Criminally Negligent.

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    • For a full explanation of why it is NOT a crime, read about the US Navy shootdown of Iran Air Flight 655 in 1988. We cannot have double standards. The US awarded medals to the people who took down that plane. No one was “brought to justice”. Nor was Australia labelling it a “crime” or demanding that people be “brought to justice… or petulantly calling in ambassadors of certain countries to level unfounded allegations and berate them with insults.

      If that wasn’t a “crime” then, and no one was punished for that incident – then why are certain countries demanding the opposite now ?

      It doesn’t come close to passing the smell test for hypocrisy.

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  7. Cubana de Aviación Flight 455 was another airliner blown up in-flight by American backed Cuban exiles in 1976. This was a crime. Terrorism plain and simple.

    The perpetrators were given safe haven in America, one of the perpetrators still lives there – free from prosecution, with the connivance of the US Govt.

    Is Tony Abbott going to demand they be “brought to justice” ? What about the perpetrators of the downing of Iran Air Flight 655 ? When will Tony call in the ambassador of that country and spit out some insults ? They have been waiting for justice for 20-30 years plus… Tony must have selective amnesia.. what a bloody hypocrite… he is trying to take the heat off domestic politics and his regressive, dishonest budget… shame on him, using innocent people tragically killed in a geo-political mess stirred up by the west to advance his own agenda..

    We don’t even know the facts yet (and probably will never know, because the the western media and political leaders have sewn it up… there is not even a need for an investigation… Tony Abbott has already delievered the findings..)

    I honestly believe that the Ukraine regime in Kiev ARE responsible for this – the west would never accuse them of an “unspeakable crime”, nor demand they be “brought to justice”… it has to be Russian-backed rebels for reasons of the already established Western political narrative and geo-politics… remember the lies of the Iraq invasion… the West has been lying and creating smoke and mirrors for years… how can they be trusted to conduct a fair and independent investigation ?!?! It’s Weapons of Mass Destruction all over again… Think about it

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  8. Another Airline Incident of a plane being shot down was Korean Airlines Flight 007, that happened on the 1st of September 1983 during the cold war near Japan, you can go to Wikipedia and read the article about it.

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    • Yes, the Soviet air force shot down KAL 007 in 1983, when it strayed over soviet airspace – and some of their most sensitive military installations in the East, because of navigational equipment failure. The Soviet Union was demonised in the press for this incident,

      It mirrors another incident in 1973 where Israeli fighter jets blasted Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114 out of the sky after it drifted over Israeli-controlled airspace over the Sinai peninsula, because of bad weather and equipment failure. They cited it was flying over sensitive military facilities. But the western media reaction couldn’t have been more different. No action was taken against Israel, nor was that country demonised in the press.

      Am I detecting a pattern here…

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      • JJE, there is a pattern, the people who shot these planes down haven’t been arrested, so when someone shoots down a plane, they usually get away with it. But the western media does like to twist the facts and sensationalise it, so we will never fully know what happened to MH17 in my opinion.

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  9. Changing the subject temporarily, Brenden Abbott was eligible for parole in 2011 and still is, because he is serving a 23 year sentence and after 13 years, which is 2011, he was eligible for parole and still is for another few years, that means he could be released anytime, but if he is released he has to go to WA to serve a trial for the bank robberies he committed there.

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  10. Some really insightful comments JJE and TCE has inspired me to refresh my memories on flights MH37O and Iranian 655, will be awaiting what information we can gain on this incident so hopefully the families can have some questions answered and both airlines and governments can learn from this disaster. And Poppy completely agreed on Malaysian Air having some culpability in this, as with the MH370 there are things they could have done in both cases to result in a better outcome. Lets hope they finally take notice and make some changes (if the company is able to financially recover from the PR side of this that is)

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  11. The Post Card bandit Brendon Abbott will be behind bars like Badness Escapee Binse, for more years in stir, he wont be going anywhere soon. The Police will be waiting with an arrest warrant at the prison gate if he gets parole as soon as he walks through!……Like Jonny Cash….. Wanted Man!……And he stay locked in Folsom Prison!……….Christopher Dean Binse and Brendon Abbott, will only be able to write letters as pen friends behind bars in prison from one serial Armed Bank Robber to another!………….

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  12. So much for more than 10 years of war in Afghanistan in the war against terrorism and the final capture and dumping of Osama Bin Laden by the U.S.Navy Seals at sea. Now there is another potential war against terrorism looking towards former KGB communist Soviet Union and now Russian President Vladimer Putin missiles!. Whose super power communist Soviet Union were once at war with Afghanistan, while The Taliban and Osama Bin Laden were allies of the United States. What a mess! And of course Israeli, after casualties on mass with sea and air strikes – now sending in ground offensive troops and tanks to push deeper into the Gaza Strip of Palestine!….The World at war once again with collateral damage on civilians !………Religion and Terrorism = Evil Mass Murder………Nothing leant from Vietnam War!…..War in Iraq and War in Afghanistan !……………………………………

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  13. And of course their was 25 years ago that horrible Libyan Leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi who ordered the terrorist bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, murdering 243 people over Lockerbie, Scotland, United Kingdom in December 1988. And he lived for many years after that in rich wealth indulgence in his kingdom, and was later in friendship with the United States!…..So many theories where behind this terrorism attack also!……… As with the 911 suicide bombings of New York World Trading Centre Twin Towers and the Pentogon. It just never lts up!..Not since the assignation of U.S. President John .F. Kennedy and the Cuban crisis and later Vietnam War on communism !……………”.Somethings Happing Here- but it aint exactly clear!- Theres a man with a gun over there!- Saying hey there whats that sound, everybody whats going round”!………….. .

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  14. Who would imagine this would ever happen its absurd I was in shock I initially thought parts of the first missing Malaysian airline had been found but ironically another Malaysian airline blasted into oblivion by a frigin russian missile what the hell. These murderers of innocent people have to be caught ASAP.So many intelligent and normal nice people going about their lives and then tragically killed under such bizzare and horrific circumstances.I have to question also why the airline took that flightpath but Im no expert of course. Why the hell have these arseholes got these weapons and what gives them the freedom to do whatever the hell they like this is insane. The world is in dire trouble its not getting better because these evil perpertrators are allowed to do what they like Russia is governed by corrupt politicians such as Puton which most probably financed these weapons of mass destruction they are all as dangerous as one another they are certainly not to be trusted. I feel so much sorrow for those men, women and children its unbearably sad for them and their friends and families.I hope the killers are tracked down and killed but I dont hold out much hope in that shithole of a country run by corrupt sleazy, evil bastards.

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    • Hi Reagan.

      The airspace over the Ukraine and Russia was still open to commercial airlines. Some airlines choose not to fly over war zones, others do. Crazy it was still open in the first place and that which flight path to take is left up to the airlines to decide.

      I know that Emirates, Qantas and others choose not to fly over Iraq and Syria on their routes to London etc.

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  15. Also on-board – a ‘special load notification to the captain’ – 2 dogs, 150kg weight of live birds, 91kg of medical supplies, 215 kgs of fresh flowers – all flowers would have shredded to blanket the loss. A sad, sad, day for all of us.

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  16. The international media and our politcal leaders have developed a rather serious case of amnesia. There has not been one mention of Iran Air Flight 655 by any western political leader or the mainstream media, who have each jumped over each other to label this a “crime” and demand “justice”… It is hypocrisy at it’s worst. In the case of Tony Abbott, it is sheer duplicity…

    Nor have we even considered the very real possibility that the responsible party is the fascist regime in Kiev. What will Tony Abbott & Co. say then ?

    And we are being made to believe a bunch of lies by western governments hellbent on meddling in the Ukraine… and this is from the same mob that brought us the War in Afghanistan, Weapons of Mass Destruction, the War in Iraq, the War in Libya, Rendition, Guantanomo, amongst other Recent Greatest Hits… and we are meant to accept what they say ?!?!?

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  18. Thanks for answering my question daydreamer 397 I refrain from buying newspapers with disturbing headlines.I appreciate being able to express my thoughts on Robbos site.Its awsome.

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  19. Im outraged over the treatment of the victims of the crash site thats just so typical of these disgusting vial scavengers. The timing is crucial for overseas counterparts to reach the crash site for vital evidence how dare they interfere. I hope they boycott Putin from the brisbane G20 summit it would be totally inappropriate to have him in our country hes an imposter and a corrupt evil infiltrator he is of no benefit to us and never was to begin with.

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    • Hi Reagan. Rest easy as news reports not long ago are coming through saying officials are being allowed onto the crash site to handle the deceased in an official capacity 🙂

      And to clarify my earlier answer about airspace. It was closed to commercial planes up to 32,000 feet. MH17 was shot down at 33,000 feet (I’m not sure how they know this without the blackbox, though. Probably from radars).

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  20. Quote, Song from Sting: And the Russians love their children too!…….And we will bury you if you don’t support our point of view!………………….The smug look of those hard core military drunken pro-Russian rebel solders holding up a childs cuddly toy with AK-47 machine guns and cigarettes hanging out their mouths guarding the MH 17 crash site, and even looting has been witnessed happening, what heartless human beings they are!……….The worst crime scene one could ever imagine!………..

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  21. I just can’t believe that someone/place is not held accountable and NOW! Bodies are being stripped and tossed into trains – now ‘they’ have at least one of the black boxes…

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  22. Thanks for that info daydreamer its about time how dare these revolting morons treat this horrendous situation with such disrespect true ex P.O smug bastards that made me sick to my stomach when I saw that image of that filthy scumbag holding up that childs toy thats the ultimate bastards act. These were innocent people what the hell does he mean by that what an insensitive son of a bitch.

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  23. Cheers Reagan, This photo of these bastard pro -Russian solder guards holding up the childs toy with their evil looks on their faces, will be forever be seen in history as the now famous 1968 Vietnam photo and film footage of a South Vietnamese Military officer shooting by execution a enemy North Vietnamese solder in a busy war torn street of Saigon, now Ho Chi Minh City.
    Russian President Putin, who is ultimately , responsible for the callousness of these military guard duty soldiers in the Ukraine. Should be held accountable for the very actions of these mongrel soldiers, who have been witnessed picking through the victims bodies looting and stealing whatever they could find of value for themselves. As low as the act shooting a Russian or Soviet Union made missile into a civilian passenger plane is!…… I find the actions and act of these security guard soldiers armed with Russian machine gun, with smug cigarettes hanging out of their mouths, as a even more sinister crime of humanity. This guards should be charged with war crimes for stealing from the victims of mass murder!………….Nothing President Putin, tries to worm his way out of accepting guilt for this mass murder will save his once powerful reputation of the Russian and Baltic states. ……….The world should refuse any further trade with Russia. The only reason the United states are failing to come down heavy and act on President Putin, is because Russia is a super power like the United States and has frightening Atomic missle weapons of war, and some of the world largest amount of resources – gas, oil, metals , and many countries like Germany and others need Russia on tap to supply them with these resources, like piped gas from Russia !…………….Compared to the large powerful military response by the United States in the War on Iraq, by Dictator Saddum Hussain, it appears Russian Dictator President Vladimer Putin and his military mighty power, are by the United States simply giving him a slap on the wrist. He should be arrested and tried as a war criminal. Look what happened when Adolf Hitler and his then newly formed Gestapo SS- Shaltzstaffel was allowed to let Nazi Germany, build and eventually become a super power and commit many atrocities and mass murders on human beings prior to the outbreak of the Second world war. History continues to repeat it self!…..
    The Russians have had to much power for too long. And Vladamir Putin war once with the notorious KGB Secret Service during the communist power of the Soviet Union- USSR!………….
    This horrid event in modern day history, must never let Russian President Vladmir Putin, so lightly of the hook.!…………….Does he have no human rights or conscious for his military actions. He may not have pushed the button of the missile that shot down flight MH 17, He needs to be further investigated for still having blood on his hands!……… And the way he has allowed, or failed to stop the crime scene being interfered with by these undisciplined soldiers guarding the plane wreckage site and contaminating any chance of a proper gathering of evidence of foul play, before proper air crash investigators can properly investigated the scene of this mass murder!.
    Also the MH 17 Black box and parts of the wings and plane has and are still been removed by the Russians, instead of leaving for air crash investigators. WHY?…. What have they got to hide!…….Because their trying to get rid of any evidence. Why else would they have been guarding the wreckage with hardened Pro- Russian military armed forces with machine guns and orders to shot to kill any one who they don’t want near the plane wreckage and the victims belongings!!.???………………..

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  24. Sadly, I would have to agree with jje on this one, not that I condone what happened, which I’m sure jje doesn’t either. The facts are these tragedies have happened in the past and I can’t see things changing in the near future unless man wakes up and begins to respect their fellow humans. War is such a tragedy which affects thousands of innocents every day……when will it all stop? Will it be when there’s precious little left to fight over? I live in hope that one day everyone will throw down their arms and live in peace…..you may say I’m a dreamer…. The world cannot sustain this continual beating up. I will continue to hold hope for a peaceful world because if we give up and allow these horrible tragedies to create hatred within us, we are continue contributing to these energies. No, we don’t just let it pass without wondering what is going on, but we need to see situations for what they are and work toward creating change for a peaceful existence.
    Sadly these innocents lost their lives through human error….is the airline responsible for flying over a known warzone?, were the people with the missiles responsible for shooting recklessly at a civilian airline?, was the government who armed these people with the missiles responsible? I think we have to take a long look, objectively, and ensure this tragedy never happens again……regardless of who is responsible.

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    • Thanks, Millie. The media have whipped up such a shitstorm. Not once have the mainstream media mentioned the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 665 by the US Navy. The hypocrisy is incredible. The claim that this is “murder” or a “crime” is mendacious at best, and totally dishonest at worst. It is a tragic event. Civil wars are always filled with tragic events. And that is what is taking place in the Ukraine. The self-appointed “government” in Kiev, which is actually a junta of neo-fascists, broke an agreed ceasefire more than a week ago and unleashed a nasty offensive that targeted civilian areas. Their air force has been bombing urban areas. It’s no surprise the rebels are attempting to down aircraft flying in their areas. Nor do we actually know it was the rebels that shot this airliner down. Last week an artillery shell fired by the Ukrainian army killed someone in Russia. The regime in Kiev are a bunch of fascist hotheads that will do anything to demomize Russia, including murder innocent people. Unfortunately western governments have lined up to support this illegitimate, unelected regime in Kiev, including Tony Abbott, who is nothing more than a stooge… These people killed on MH17 are victims of geo-politics and western meddling. If the West had never meddled in the internal affairs of the Ukraine, these people would be alive; it’s as simple as that. Without western intrigue and meddling in the Ukraine, this civil war WOULD NOT be taking place. But you will never hear that from western leaders or their little, arse licking puppy, Tony Abbott; it’s far easier to blame those nasty Russians.

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  25. Russia has always valued there own Russia human beings and their neighbouring Baltic states life as expendable and outside the realms of human rights. Just look at Russian dictator Joeseph Stalin, and the mass murders he committed in the name of Russian dictatorship , on his own people, even worse than the loss of innocent human lives by The Dictator Third Reigh- Nazi Germanys: Adolf Hitler . – The Russians have a long brutal human rights past that have a very atrocious history of how they treat their own people, for example The Russians hard labour- Siberian slave camps called The Gulags. The Russian even treat their criminals in ways the western worlds could never get away with. Have a look at the harsh way they still today run there Maximum Security Prisons, The Black Dolphin, and The White swan. And their is the organised crime Russian Mafia. The Russians or as they used to be called the communist CCPP – USSR- Soviet Union and their clandestine Secret Service The KGB, from which the now Russian President Vladimer Putin was a former SovietUnion KGB, High ranking officer, with a very hard reputation, in his time there, is an example of how hard he is as a modern day Russian President. And his military force, led by Donetsk Peoples Republic: Alexander The Great – Borodai, and his mean guard of machine gun toting officers are the same. The are very hard mercenary crack forces, desensitised to human death, that by their very actions of looting the dead, they by there very action on this crime scene of mass murder are as hard as nails and as cold as the Siberian Russian front ice and snow! They show no empathy or human compassion by the way they are trained by the Russian military to do their ordered tasks!…..They are just like the World War two Nazi Waffen SS Gestapo guards in camouflage RAMBO gear, just the look in their hard eyes in the many photos that are being shown of them!…..The same argument rightfully could be said of all countries military forces of in humane treatment, even the United States, Australia, and British or Nato forces and Israel as is also happening now in the case in the invasion of the Gaza Strip of Palestine, by Israel mass collateral civilian casualties of war. This too is a crime against humanity. But Israel is retaliating from terrorist attacks made on their civilians by the Hamas who are known to shield their own civilian people in Israeli defence strikes. This is crazy but what else can Israel do, it wrong but a difficult situation if the Palestine Hamas terrorists are shooting angry fire at them and using innocent people as human shields!. But the Russians actions, are baseless and cowardly in this civilian passenger aircraft shooting down, if it was a accidental push of a missile button. Why have they on purpose destroyed and altered the crime scene and have gone to elaborate attempts with armed guards, until recently keep outside investigators away from the wreckage crime scene to only contaminate and remove bodies and rob or loot the crime scene and remove evidence and valuables like vultures , and hide the Missile carrier somewhere in Russia, so it can not be inspected for foul play and removing the Black box, on orders of the highest Russian powers that be and disturbing the plane wreckage by cutting it up and removing with cranes , and untold looting from the dead, before a independent outside investigation could properly take place and victims properly identified. A question must be asked here- Would The Russians just sit back and let us take the same draconian approach and heartless actions of control and cover-up on a Russian civilian passenger airplane, if we for example were to be shot down deliberately out of the sky, some where over Australia. and not let them properly investigate!. .The answer is NO WAY, they would most likely do a missile war strike on us, shoot first and ask questions later! Much the same way as Israel is shooting to kill on Palestine Hamas who are a threat to them These two military forces are known in history for quick military action, regardless of the cost of civilian lives lost!……But Russia as the world most military armed communist super power, stands out alone as having a very long past of human rights breeches and suffering, especially on sanctions and embargo restraints on their own race of Russian people!…So the point is they certainly don’t care about more than 200 bodies killed , looted, salvaged of their personal belongings and removed and piled up like road kill animals by their own war mongering callous actions, in what is a war crime be it deliberate or the accidental push of a missile war head button, in their dominant controls of power over rival factions and civil unrest over Mother Russia and the Ukraine and Baltic States of Russian communist dictator domination!………..The missile button pushers have been described as Rebels, separatists, militants, insurgents, Pro-Russians. What they all are is human scum terrorists!…………..On their own Russian people and the innocent people of the world!. They all care more about their Vodka and cigarettes than their own people ! No wonder on Hogans Heroes, Colonel..Klink used threaten to sent Sergeant Schultz off to The Russian Front.. Guns and Evil Dictators a very bad mix!………….The Cold War never really ended and The War on Terrorism seems to have no light in the end of the tunnel. There is someone all ways in civil war and unrest in all parts of the world. In the 1960,s during the peace movement their was War.
    In 2002 , The outrage over innocents murdered at the New York World Trades Centre and the innocent victims on flight 911, and ten more years of War, over that, nothing has changed, but the wars have just got more complicated and more innocent victims as casualties of wars collateral damage!…………………………..

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    • Ummm… committing a genocide and wiping out almost an entire indigenous people and brutally seizing their lands… ummm… oh I forgot, we pretend it didn’t happen. Yes, Australians are well placed to lecture other countries about human rights..

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  26. Ukraine wanted to separate from Russia and go it alone Ukraine are fighting for independence the west had nothing to do with any of this they are fighting amongst themselves this was a passenger aircraft that had nothing to do with the filthy war not only has it been shot down by drunken barbaric russian arseholes they have made the situation extremely difficult for investigators to secure the crash site and disrespected the victims.That russian prick Putin has sat on his arse with his smug look and allowed this to happen. What would you expect Australias Prime Minister Mr Abbott to do? When innocent australian lives have been cruelly and brutally taken. What the hell would you think.You obviously have contempt for Australia and our PM but you live in this safe haven. There was no genocide committed in Australia youve got it wrong it was called Germany. Russia have no human rights they are a brutal cruel race of peasants and by the way our media would not waste their time on the shooting down of the iran aircraft 655 because we are not interested.Theyre no friends of ours. We care about our fellow australians and the rest of those innocent passengers and all Mr Abbott and his counterparts are asking is to do the right thing by this tragedy but of course the bastards shit in our face they are sickening filth and Putin should hang his head and be banned from Australia.

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    • wow. mass wipe out of the indigenous is not mass-murder ? Bring on George Orwell… As for Iran Air Flight 665, well, we are “not interested” in that… only the Australian and the “rest of those fellow passengers”… such compassion… lucky there were no Iranians on board… I’m sure Putin is upset about being banned from going to Brisbane

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  27. Well said Reagan, as I said the other day. What ever the Pro-Russians or who the hell ever they are aligned with in civil war not the issue. The reasons they had to just use a missile to simply blow a aircraft with only innocent children and civilians, doctors etc on board is what this is all about!. There gross act on humanity!……………..Their is absolutely no excuse for their heartless, behaviour around the wreckage site either. They are nothing but barbarians, and holding up that childs cuddly toy, is proof they are barbarians. If any of those armed soldiers have any children of their own or have a loved one in their family. How would they like to have them trampled all over, looted, robbed, have their personal belongings held up posing for a photograph. Its just the lowest of acts, no matter much how they hate westerners or who-ever, how they can stoop so low as to grin with a smug look over their rotten faces, while children have been murdered by them, defies comprehension. I hope one day those horrible soldier guards, with the cancer stick cigarette hanging from their rotten mouths, suffer horribly from smokers choking cough and lung cancer! Nothing President Vladimer Putin says to the Nato investigators, should get him off the hook for this. His missiles and troops pushed the button. He had no right to interfere in the first place with any air crash investigations. And if he had any compassion at all, he would lock those thief barbarian Pro-Russian guards up in his Russian Black Dolphin Prison. These scumbag guards are war criminals and terrorists. No excuses can be given for them. If President Vladimer Putin, had nothing to do with this mass murder, then he should take the lead and come down tough with extreme measures on those of Russia who did!…………..The world is watching for justice!…………..

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    • I’ve always personally felt that Putin has a psychopathic/sociopathic makeup. I pretty much feel the same way about Kevin Rudd too. But Russia had and continues to have better conditions for heartless and empathy deficient psychopaths like Putin to reach and hold onto positions of power.

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  28. Just read news article below. Have cut and pasted in text. It raises confronting images in my mind, however the victims’ loved ones at least have some re-assurance that their relatives, friends, colleagues. oh dear god their precious children wouldn’t have suffered physically or emotionally. No panic, no dread, no fear.

    “Expert says MH17 victims would not have suffered after plane blast
    ANDREW JEFFERSON HERALD SUN JULY 22, 2014 9:00PM

    University of Canberra adjunct professor David Royds said if the initial blast did not kill the passengers, a rapid decompression and freezing temperatures at 33,000 feet would have caused instant death.

    “Flying at more than 10km above the ground, the mid-air explosion would have caused the cabin temperature to drop to minus 50C with a sudden drop of air pressure and loss of oxygen,” he said.

    “That extremely cold environment would have rendered the passengers unconscious within seconds.

    “It’s very unlikely the passengers would have suffered, there would have been no time to worry.”

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  29. Tony Abbott might be saying the spin- that Vlad the terrible Putin, IS saying all the right things!… What crap.
    Vlad is as much responsible for blowing the plane out of the sky, ad hiding the missing missile launcher as his barbarian Russian troops are! Just like George Bush and Dick Chaney had nothing to do with Bin laden, being behind the Flight 911, in 2001. George Bush wasn’t even shocked by the first reports of 911. Because Osama Bin Laden was once his made ad trade partner! And Dick Chaney got very rich out of the War on terrorism! An Tony Abbott will continue to shake hands with Russian President Vlad the terrible, ten probably go and have a meal with the Prime Minister of Israel, while they continue blowing the shit out of Palestine!…. There all war mongers with blood on their hands………..Unfortunately ordinary races of all innocent human beings get caught up in a sacrificed by the tyrants of world powers, that blow up or use suicide bombers for their political or greedy new world order causes!……DICTATOR..Vlad will probably give himself another Russian(Soviet) Medal of honour,at the Kremlin- to hang with his other medals of war mongering!………………………..

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  30. What ISRAEL is doing to Palestine beyond the Gaza strip is just as evil as Hitlers Nazi Germany and The Russians, The Taliban and Middle Eastern radical muslim terrorists! If there are Hamas terrorists in shielding civilians and children amongst them in Palestine. That still does not give The Jews the right to blow up hospitals and innocent children and victims, in untold horror to weed out the terrorists. Talk about using a bomb to remove a cancer!……The Worlds powers have gone mad!…..Hope not.. all the rich capitalist Jews in the United States of America are feeling safe with their Rothchilds Bank investments and their owner ship of much of capitalist America.
    Sometime Adolf Hitlers Nazi Germany, may have been right about the Jews!….A sub human race!
    While the Yanks sit back and do nothing, because its only their capitalist partner Israel !…………….

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  31. I completely agree with all the sentiments above about this crash. My first thoughts were of the kids on the flight, it upset me quite a bit to think if they suffered. (Not that any suffering is acceptable no matter what age though)

    It was a little relief to read that the passengers would have passed away instantly or were rendered unconscious upon impact.

    What on earth was Malaysian Airlines doing over a warzone with a no fly zone? I think the only two airlines that were taking that route were Lufthansa & Malaysian airlines

    Qantas abandoned that route once it was a no fly zone..

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  32. That’s it- cheap low cost flights seats are not worth taking the risk, Im throwing away the Coles Fly buy cheap air flights card. better still sticking to the ground or only flying in Australia. Especially after the other recent un-solved disappearance of the other Malaysian flight not yet discovered! Even flying with Qantas could be more risky now that on mass, Qantas are sacking most of their local experienced engineers to have their planes serviced on the cheap by cheaper overseas foreign engineers and maintenance workers, makes you wonder how well the safety checks are being done on the local air flights in the name of cost cutting. also the security terrorist factor, you don’t know who has been tampering with the planes, now the maintenance works on these planes is now outsourced. I know were I live under a regular busy international and domestic travel airport flight path, hundreds of jet fly back and forth 24 hours a day. I cant but help And the wreckage aftermath of bodies falling or being disintegrated in the sky- It just beggars belief how some human beings can do such a callous thing. Isnt it good to call Australia home!……Hopefully such a terrorist air disaster crime never happens here in Aussie!….With all the nut cases we have here now wanting to be radical Ji-hadist and terrorist nut jobs now locked in our Supermax Prisons as terrorists!…………………………………..
    It would be having so effect on the people that had loved ones, children, friends etc on that flight, to be just taking away from them in such a way. mean while those involved in this act are just laughing about it and will probably never be punished for this mass murder! Now the Russians hierarchy are blaming Ukraine rebel fighters for bringing Flight MH 17 down with a fight jet. the callous rotten liars. It was there missile carrier that they quickly got rid of out of sight. Vladimer Putin thinks and is treating the UN- flight investigators with their hand tied behind their backs as stupid. With some luck hopefully the rocket launcher can be traced down and found and pin pointing this calamity to the Russian President and his Pro- Russian men of arms!……………….

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  33. This radical long beared nut case that has just been sent back to Australia after being kicked out of Asia, needs to be watched really carefully. He is a ji-had preaching lunatic!……. And who knows what he is do back in Australia with his following of possible terrorists cell friends and converts here in Australia.. I hope the authorities keep him under surveillance, with his record..

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  34. Good lord, sorry for the off topic but added to yesterday’s air tragedy in Taiwan the news is reporting that another commercial jet has just crashed with over 100 passengers and crew on board. An Algerian Air flight. The preliminary reports are suggesting poor weather conditions played a part.

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    • Good lord, sorry for the off topic but added to yesterday’s air tragedy in Taiwan the news is reporting that another commercial jet has just crashed with over 100 passengers and crew on board. An Algerian Air flight. The preliminary reports are suggesting poor weather conditions played a part.

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  35. With every body that arrives home, may they carry a legacy for all innocent lives lost in the stupidity of war crimes.

    Will we ever learn?

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  36. In 1983 the Russians shot down a Korean boeing airline 007 that left from New York killing all of the 298 passengers and crew. The aircraft landed in the ocean no bodies were recovered. The people were all very similar to this recent airline tradgedy what stood out for me was the australian businessman and his wife and 2 daughters Its definately not the first time this has happened. Maybe alot of people are unaware of this.

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  37. I flew Malaysian Airlines from Thailand to Malaysia and then Malaysia back to Thailand once in the 1980s and never gave it a second thought now no way not this little black duck.

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  38. I hope the powers that be ban Putin from coming to Australia he is nothing but a slimy weed we need some strong political leaders to take a stand I dont hold much hope they could drop their guard and do a back flip at a moments notice. Australia is fast becoming a melting pot supported by a majority of passive do gooders in our pathetic weak justice system patrionising and protecting the criminals while the victims and their families suffer in silence.The police do their job extremely well here and the justice system bring it all undone.The media are to blame also by trying to scare monger the public into beleiving there propaganda bullshit with dramatic words played up like breaking news when most of the time its nothing of great importance after all. The media incite racism and predjudice.I know its out there but I dont need it rammed down my throat I will make my own judgement. There are good and bad in every race you cant single any one out.

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